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And yet we have poor people doing life sentences for minor drug possession.
That's called slave labor my friend.
Well within the 13th amendment
That doesn't make it not slave labor.
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic of the government’s loopholes. But you never know nowadays.
Its literally not a loophole the 13th ammendment specifically makes an exception for those convicted of a crime.
No that's the .14¢ and hour they're making for their commissary and rehab
Valid point
The trump doctrine: Crime doesn’t matter if you get 270 electoral votes.
Trump 2024: Help me stay out of prison
Dark Brandon 2024: that Electoral College is malarkey, how bout we get rid of it?
Well the President is allowed to do anything now.
Is this where Biden drone strikes Trump?
That seems like Penumbra Brandon to me. Dark Brandon = "Seal Team 6, take the shot"
This applies to Biden as well. He needs to assassinate under his new powers
Well, assuming they make it alive through the arrest process in the first place, of course.
And criminalized homelessness. When people WITH JOBS can literally not afford homes or even rentals.
Well you can’t hold a president accountable for something little and harmless like trying to overthrow the government. You have to go after the big crimes like being homeless.
And now the homeless are gonna become slaves as well. I'm ab ready to move tf out of here
Same! Starting a 5 year plan.
They had cops on at my job and they were harassing this guy in front of his kid and baby momma over the smallest bag of weed I've ever seen. 100% was a ridiculous waste of time and taxpayers money, and harassment. I was hoping so badly that Biden would legalize weed, but that didn't happen. He should add that to his list of things to do in office and announce it before the election to secure the presidency again.
Enjoy that 420 th like
They just need to get themselves elected president and they can do all the drugs they want.
If it makes you feel better this post is a lie.
…and Republicans not going to jail for voter fraud.
They completely got rid of “high crimes and misdemeanors” as a basis for impeachment. We’re smoked 💀
Arguably treason and bribery too, if all a president has to say is "this was definitely an official act."
For all their screeching about "judicial activism," conservatives don't seem to have any issue with this SCOTUS inventing completely new interpretations of the law out of whole cloth.
I think if the Founding Fathers had intended for presidents to be immune to consequences, they would have explicitly said so.
"Strict constructionism for thee, not for me!"
-SCOTUS
If we’re going by the constitutions authors intent justice Clarence Thomas would be in a field picking cotton.
Honestly he seems more like Stephen from Jango Unchained.
I got a 24 hour ban from Pol for comparing him to Uncle Ruckus
Canceled for having freedom of speech and a different opinion smh my head
Good point he would probably be doing that.
For all their screeching about "judicial activism," conservatives don't seem to have any issue with this SCOTUS inventing completely new interpretations of the law out of whole cloth.
The decades they spent crying about Judicial activism, the GOP was was working full steam to take power using the Judicial. Blaming the opposition of what you are doing is common strategy to prevent your opponent from doing what you are doing while at the same time diverting attention to them.
I call it a strategy, but it's not always intentional, often it's simply subconscious projection.
Gaslight, Obstruct, Project.
This is why they did not make laws about that because they thought we would be smarter.
No, no they did not. We removed most of their protections against stupidity except the electoral college. Admittedly almost every protection they built proved dumb, but they did try
To be fair they also didn’t expect a self serving turd to end up in the office either.
Hell even Jefferson was rather opinionated on the fact that the constitution should be rewritten every generation (19 years). Yet we still have people argue that the constitution is infallible… but they also think another old document is even more so and want it to rule the county more than the constitutions even.
Getting rid of kings was kind of the point
And now we're rapidly approaching the point of "the Magna Carta was too much".
They want the MAGA Carta
It was a Constitutional Monarchy that you so impolitely asked to leave. Those who were "oppressing" you/Americans were elected representatives in a Parliament.
*a Parliament in which the colonies did not have effective representation
Listen to the 5-4 podcast. Liberal judicial activism was always a boogeyman and a major projection invented by the Federalist Society.
Yes! 5-4 is so good
Conservatives only pretend to hate things like that. At their core they're simple people: If it gives them power they love it, if it gives their enemies power they hate it. It doesn't really matter what "it" is, because they could hate it today and love it tomorrow so long as tomorrow it benefits them.
This is the same reason you can point out their hypocrisy hundreds of times and it never changes anything. They don't hate activist judges on principle, they hate activist judges when it doesn't benefit them. Today it did benefit them, so they love it, and this is only surprising if you assume they have any morals or principles, which they don't.
I remember visiting a foreign country (I don't recall which: Malaysia? Indonesia? Thailand?), and learning that their president/prime minister had immunity from prosecution. I, being American, was profoundly shocked, and thankful I was from America, where politicians are accountable.
I never thought America would become like that. It's un-American.
Speak for yourself on this one. I'm conservative and this is one of those occasions where I must disagree with supreme Court. This was stupid.
It's actually a huge power grab by the SCOTUS. They know they will eventually be the ones determining what is considered "an official act"
This right here. The court in fact did not say the president can do whatever they want without fear of legal prosecution, but instead has said "if it's official the president can do it, and we'll be the ones to decide on a case-by-case basis what is official and not." This way if it's a president they like, they like what they did, then "official!" If they don't like that president and what they did, then "not official," and you go to jail!
Sadly, because of this and the Chevron reversal the Court is going to be busy AF in the future. The only remedy is expansion.
But the President could just "remove" any justices which would disagree with that official act being official. They quite literally put targets on their backs without even realizing it.
In their hearings to be appointed they all lied under oath about what they considered to be settled when they ruled against Roe so don’t see why they couldn’t be removed for lying under oath. Then it is 3-2 Democrats who then decide that was official business.
Because you'd need Congress to do so, and Congress is divided. By "remove", I didn't mean without threat of force either. Biden saying "Step down, or else."
How can they determine that if nobody can look at the evidence to see if it meets the criteria?
SCOTUS does have access to classified information. It was/wasn't an official act. Trust us bro
The SC just said the bribery is legal after-the-fact, so it doesn't matter
Never thought I'd see the day where when I said Trump was Nixon 2.0 he'd actually surpass the motherfucker. I called him Shitty Nixon. Well, Nixon never got the Supreme Court to agree that indeed, when the president does it, it's not illegal.
I am not rewatching the Frost/Nixon interview tonight. It would be so horribly depressing.
With this latest ruling, they've also implied that legal precedent no longer matters.
Also basically means the emoluments clause doesn't block it if the president is paid after their term ends as thanks.
They’ve left it up to SCOTUS to really decide what is an official act….
Which doesn't strike me as allowable for the SCOTUS to change the constitution. At some point the other branches should push back against this rampant court
If only there was a branch of our government that was responsible for making sure the government and elected officials followed the Constituti-oh fuck.
they…can’t.
They could always impeach and remove…oh, wait. Turns out checks and balances don’t work if one party doesn’t want them to.
This is why we were warned of political parties, and told to avoid them, but people are fucking stupid.
Should have created a system that did not kind of force a 2 party system.
Sure they can. They can pass new laws, impeach justices and even change the constitution with a 2/3 majority. They won't but they could.
asking this congress to put forth a new law with a 2/3 majority is like asking for them to actually come clean with all their lies and crimes.
no fucking way in hell
State legislatures are needed to pass amendments
They could. Judicial Review has no concrete basis in the constitution. It was completely made up by the supreme court to give themselves power. The executive branch could just ignore them and there is nothing the supreme court could do about it. It would throw our political system into chaos but they could definitely do it.
It’s happened in the past, just ask the native Americans that Andrew Jackson forcibly moved.
Impeachment is just a word. Trump was impeached twice.
It really is unfortunately. We have seen several impeachments that resulted in 0 punishment for the convicted offender. What should happen is impeachment conviction = removed from office. Then the next layer, the senate, decides your additional penalties, like jail time. But impeachment means you violated the rules governing your office. You broke the public trust. Which should then mean you don't get to remain in that position at minimum.
Impeachment and conviction are two separate votes stupidly enough. Apparently in government you can pull out your gun but not be prepared to fire it.
No, they vote to start proceedings and do an investigation. Then afterwards, they vote on whether the President is guilty. Impeachment is the proceedings in it's entirety.
No they didn’t. The case was about immunity from criminal prosecution, not impeachment.
Impeachment isn’t a criminal trial
This is a complete misunderstanding of the decision, which was strictly related to criminal liability. The impeachment process is unchanged, and remains the legal remedy for presidential misconduct related to presidential responsibilities.
Not to say that I agree with the decision - for example, if a president orders the extrajudicial murder of an American citizen (and his family), he should be subject to both impeachment AND conspiracy to commit murder charges from the DOJ.
Now after the Trump v. US ruling, impeachment is the only remedy. Which is bad. But exaggerating the scope of this decision does no one any good.
“Should be”. I feel like if the last few years have taught us anything “should be” is no longer enough. You need explicit guidelines now.
for example, if a president orders the extrajudicial murder of an American citizen (and his family), he should be subject to both impeachment AND conspiracy to commit murder charges from the DOJ.
I'm very sorry, but the high court has ruled that as long as this is done within the purview of the President's official responsibilities, it's not illegal. Your feelings on the matter are redundant. All the President has to claim is that the individual(s) are a threat to the security of the United States, and thus they were defending the nation, as is the duty of the chief executive.
AND I believe the ruling says that you can't pry into the president's motives nor can you interview the president's staff about the decision, so it seems like if a president says it was an official act, we all just have to believe him. Pretty dark.
So…shouldn’t Biden “take care of” his opponents now?
And people want to wonder why facism is brought up a lot.
So we can have trump killed right?
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Apparenly any action undertaken by the President within the purview of the presidency is now legal, or at least, cannot be prosecuted. Since there's no longer even the threat of consequences for any actions or orders given while in office, the only thing keeping the President from the mass murder of any political opponents and/or those who would prosecute them for same is their conscience. God help us all.
Theoretically a President could round up all immigrants, place in concentration camps and murder them all having marked them all as a threat to the nation.
Yes, as long as Biden "discusses it" with the head of the FBI or joint chiefs of staff in his capacity as head executive or commander in chief.
They completely eliminated any form of accountability of a President while performing “official” duties. This is fucking insanity and puts him above the law of the U.S. No one else had this immunity in the past and should never have been an argument entertained by SCOTUS.
Seriously, we’re on our way to pure authoritarian fascism at this point enabled by a corrupt fucking SCOTUS.
If it's no longer a crime, it's no longer a high crime or misdemeanor.
It would still be a crime, he would just be immune to criminal prosecution for it.
Granted, Republicans would almost certainly argue exactly what you're saying here, and SCOTUS would likely end up agreeing. But, the two don't really have anything to do with each other.
Yeah, but if you examine it in context you can see that there is a larger pattern here, one part of it would be Mitch McConnell and his obstructionism, which is why we have this super majority in the Supreme Court.
When the leopards tell you they want to eat your face you really should listen to them.
Brought to you by the same Nation that rebelled against the British because of Taxation without representation. Yet right now look what happens in Puerto Rico and Guam. US territories that are taxed without real representation.
You can look at DC itself, you don't even need to go as far as Puerto Rico or Guam.
DC has a higher population than Wyoming, but no Senate seats.
The constitution and government was also intended to be amended and adjust to the times, but it isn't really.
That’s fucking crazy
I’m surprised that Puerto Rico hasn’t declared its independence yet, I keep thinking that Puerto Rico is its own country.
The only way any real systematic change has ever happened historically is through violence of some kind, and unrest. America has legislated away all avenues and opportunity for any kind of unrest and resistance, and militarised its police force to such an extent that even protest is impossible. They are essentially as armed as many militaries.
What comes next is essentially inevitable.
I fear deeply for the future of America.
A lot of disenfranchised felons too
I am ashamed of my country at every level.
I cannot say 'my' country anymore.
I'm ashamed of about 400 rich fuckers and a few hundred politicians/judges. Why are we letting them live?
Is it the rich 400 people or is it the people who control the Republican party selling out, not doing their job, taking bribes, losing their morality to win this popularity contest ?
The rich are a problem but the party that is supposed to be about law and order is corrupt.
It's both of them. The rich are breaking and manipulating the law (which is against the spirit of Justice and regulated Capitalism) and the politicians (both Republican and many Democrats) are taking their money and allowing a broken system to continue.
Lot easier said than done but three things I think need to happen: Destroy them by any means, get rid of the privately owned company called the "federal reserve" with their bank scam, and revert laws that allow bribery and other treasonous acts.
I haven't the foggiest.
So, could Biden have Trump whacked and claim immunity now?
He could probably say that Trump is a Russian asset, which means he is a threat to national security so it was justify. Trump is the same guy that refused to hand over classified documents when asked to.
He doesn’t have to say anything. Order Seal Team 6 to do it. Talking to Seal Team 6 is an official act, and therefore he is immune.
This is not a radical interpretation of the text. Read the opinion.
Why is this not a movie yet? Seal team 6 vs secret service...... But they send one champion from each side to battle it out for democracy..
Communicating with the secret service is an official act. So when Biden tells them to leave trump alone for a few hours, biden’s committing an official act for which he has criminal immunity.
It literally was a movie from 2 months ago.
A fully equipped squad of soldiers shredded the Secret Service detail in the White House, on screen, in the movie "Civil War".
Even Justice Sotomayor is straight up telling Biden to do that.
Maybe he should clear out the Supreme Court too… in the national interest
Or at least have them and their families followed around by the military watching their every move and harassing everyone that comes into contact with them. You know, for their own and national security.
Why stop there. Hit the gop leaning justices.
Nixon was right 💀
Laws don't matter anymore if you are president!
And at least Nixon stepped down when he knew he was caught. His administration also created the EPA, passed the equal rights amendment, ended the draft, and ended the Vietnam war, which he did not start (although he did up the ante quite a bit before deciding to quit).
I would feel much, much better about pardoning Nixon posthumously than I would letting Trump weasel out of his crimes.
“When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.” —Donald Trump
I did not have sexual relations with that tape recorder
It was definitely in office. No longer impeached
I keep telling everyone that this clown show style of politics started with Nixon
Yep, this has been their end goal since Nixon was forced to step down... to never have to worry about that sort of thing ever again.
So presidents can do whatever they want in office without any repercussions?
Republican Presidents can do whatever they want in office without any repercussions.
And Dems will keep tAkInG tHe HiGh RoAd until we're a full blown failed state.
Biden should be using this as an opportunity to secure our democracy. But we all know he won't do shit.
He can’t, because only Republican Presidents will get to use the “Official Acts” justification. The whole point of this ruling is to protect Trump and future Republican administrations while preventing their opponents from using the same authority. Now that this is established and the courts are final arbiter on what is an official act or not, and loaded with Federalist Society members, they will split hairs endlessly to ensure uneven enforcement.
So then why doesn't he just murder everyone on the Supreme Court that opposes him first? They said he's allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants and the only way to stop him would be to rule against him, which corpses can't.
I wouldn't be so sure... right now they are risking their necks. Trump was very open about wanting to destroy his political opponents.
Now the SCOTUS said he could legally do so. This is no longer political posturing.
The ruling put out today regarding Presidential Immunity isn’t at that level yet. “Unofficial acts,” i.e taking a gun and shooting someone in the street, or telling seal team six to go blast a political opponent’s head is still criminal and has no protection.
What does have full immunity are acts considered “official,” which were defined in their opinions as acts granted to the executive branch by the constitution. This was to theoretically make sure that a President couldn’t be lambasted by court cases for actions they took which were guaranteed by Executive powers.
Where it gets wishy-washy is regarding “presumptive immunity,” which I don’t really understand myself. It’s pretty much everything in between Executive powers, and straight up illegal actions. It’s super vague, and clearly on purpose. This is what’s been kicked to lower courts, and they’re the ones who will judge what actions fall under presumptive immunity.
Now if Trump gets elected? The doomer in me says the language regarding any of this is going to get quite a bit more specific.
This is an informed perspective.
The part about the President's and his staff's records or testimony being not admissable is also concerning when it comes to "kicking it to lower courts."
Yes this is the real problem. They said it's presumed for official acts and that you can't use communications that might be covered by official acts to dig into it. Basically they knee capped any efforts to actually prosecuting things that might not be covered.
or telling seal team six to go blast a political opponent’s head is still criminal and has no protection.
Justice Sotomayor seems to disagree with you
Before now, couldn't a president simply use their pardoning power instead to achieve a similar result?
Yes
Is it because the judges are trying to protect trump lol?
Three of them are appointed by Trump. So yeah that is the idea.
And yet weirdly those three haven't been as psychotic as Thomas and Alito.
Have those three removed a woman's access to medical procedures, gutted Chevron deference, ruled presidents are unaccountable gods, etc?
They're not as publicly brazen, but all the conservative justices are of the same self- servingly corrupt mind on damning citizens of this country to the whims of republican minoritarian rule.
Tinfoil hat time!
Thomas and Alito are intentionally making themselves out as bigger MAGA weirdos because it violently shifts the Overton window further right. Now people like the person above can say “well Kavanaugh, Barrett and Gorsuch haven’t been so crazy” because they’re not flying insurrection flags or taking bribes, but they are quietly, and systematically ushering in a chrstofascist theocracy and we should all be terrified.
Thought the judicial branch of government was supposed to be independent from the executive branch to stop this type of corruption.
6 of them are a part of the Federalist society and two of those want to retire soon. A Biden win means 4 more years of not retiring. Oh and would you look at that… the 6 in that society are the same that sided with turnip.
No that’s not what the ruling says. It means for instance that Obama can’t be tried for murder when he had an American killed by drone strike. The strike was an official act.
Nixon would have still been screwed, spying on your political rival isn’t an official act.
It’s not an official act because you say so, but the ruling doesn’t even define what is official and not, and kicks it down to lower courts to adjudicate it on a case by case basis. This is stupid since the SC can just override anything the lower courts say and make anything official they want. What the court really wants is to be able to rule anything by a Republican president official and anything by a Democratic president unofficial. They can’t do it openly yet because the Constitution forbids bills of attainder (laws against specific people) but in time, they’ll just declare Trump king. They’re slowly pushing the envelope to make every ruling seem Constitutional but in reality, they’re power grabbing for Trump.
The ruling does say that the courts cannot question the motivation of the president’s actions. It goes on to say that the legality of an action has no bearing on the legality of it. To top it all off, they also say that communications between the president and other executive branch members cannot be used as evidence.
So if the president says that “I did this for national security reasons” and the court can’t question that and they can’t accept evidence that shows it wasn’t for an official act, and the president claims it is an official act…then how can the court rule otherwise?
Sounds like a purposefully impossible bar to clear IMO.
It’s obviously intended to be an impossible bar because if you can never question motive, then there is no way to know if an intent was criminal. A president can say an intent was for security and since you can never question presidential intent, you can never know if that was sincere or whether it was just revenge. Then, every time a president does anything, he will be met by widespread public suspicion and will be reduced to a vengeful tyrant, since everyone will automatically assume bad intention when they don’t know what intention there is. That’s what this court wants. They despise liberals so much, they’re willing to make the presidency a tyranny to take revenge.
What if he ordered a drone strike on Donald Trump? Trumps own lawyers argued there was some instances where assassinations of political rivals could be considered an official act.
Sure it is. They were "enemies of the state". Don't you know how dictatorships start?
Let me get this straight- this week this kangaroo court in their Chevron decision kneecapped regulatory agency experts from protecting the public, whose powers derive from Article Two while at the same time granting absolute immunity to the President for any Article Two powers.
Does anyone else smell that disingenuous foul odor? Feels like they have enshrined legal protection for decades for any Republican president for any foul act, because no fucking way this partisan as fuck “court” would find another way. I’m sure they’d have an actual common sense approach to any Democratic president.
They see the writing on the wall, the future isn’t going to put up with their bullshit, so rather than change with the times, they are grabbing permanent power NOW.
Vote.
Hahaha oh wauw. This is like watching a train wreck unfold in slowmo
It’s moving a lot faster than any of us would like
Yeah, I can understand that. All joking aside, i worry for the US to, this shit ain't good.
They're just playing right in our faces now.
This is the most fucked and blatantly corrupt SCOTUS America has had in generations.
You vote against the president and he can have you killed. He’s the president. So he’s above the law.
The president doesn’t like your company’s political spending on his opponent. He makes an executive order saying he gets to set your board. It’s legal because he is president.
You don’t vote for the president so he seizes your bank account for the federal government. It’s legal because he’s the president.
You speak out on a podcast about the president. He has your family killed in front of you. It’s legal because he’s president.
That’s now the country we live in. Not IF Trump gets elected. Today.
It officially makes the presidency a dictatorship.
The US needs a new Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher.
We should have a Richard Nixon Appreciation Day now that he's been totally vindicated. Great guy, simply was trying to get a leg up on the competition in '72 and it turns out he had every right to do so. It only took the Supreme Court 52 years to realize the error of their ways.
/s
Smart MFer right there. Way ahead of his time.
"The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law."
-Alexander Hamilton
(The Federalist Papers: No. 69)
"Legal is whatever the fuck we want it to be, K?"
The US is now officially a Banana Republic
PRetty good store..oh you mean 'A' banana republic.
At this point they’re just playing straight in our faces. 🤦🏾♀️
America needs to break up with itself.. there’s no returning to normal.
The cat is out of the bag and it ain’t going back in.
All it took was 40 years to go from treason to official acts of the office regardless of criminality.
I have all kinds of jokes about how Biden is now free to order Seal Team Six to do the thing...
But this is a fucking nightmare. Nothing is going to stop Trump from doing whatever the fuck he wants. Before, he was saying he had immunity, but he knew that hadn't been tested yet. Now, he knows.
The only hope for the future of democracy in America, is that he does not win the election.
The margins are too thin for me to have any real hope.
America is dead. Have fun with your fascists government. Get used to a new sharia law ladies
Hooped on over to the conservative subs. They seem mixed. “Uhhh. Hey guys. What does official duty actually mean?” It means whatever the president wants to do as an official duty. Congrats on killing democracy! We told you. Now I hope Biden takes advantage of this rare opportunity before Orange Hitler does.
Watergate was an act of his campaign, not an official act as President.
The GOP has wanted revenge for Richard Nixon for 50 years and burned down everything to get it.
Trump is using a very old playbook
Yes it’s called Mein Kampf
Sadly this is what happens when people don't turn out to vote or they refuse to vote out of vendetta. Sad part is, losing rights, presidents borderline being king now, epa being gouged, all this happens and people will still not vote for Biden because he is old.
Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 and 2020. People overwhelmingly voted against Trump. The problem are those 5-6 swing states that have tiny populations.
And then theres hunter being tried for a crime that is so regularly ignored even the prosecution didnt consider it a crime, for a crime that he pled guilty for yet the judge forced a trial on and for a crime that instead of the regular punishment of a small fine is now being considered for the maximum prison sentence.
America, your justice system is broken.
Well Joe, if you can remember, the time to act is now. The SCOTUS number of 9 justices isn’t a constitutional requirement, add 6 more.
Not sure the logical leaps and bounds that would say election committee actions are official presidential action...
Watergate would still be criminally illegal after today's ruling.
We have 2 options as a country.
Vote all these red assholes out, give dems both the house and senate, and impeach these religious-zealots out of SCOTUS!
Or, wait for these morons to destroy this country! Christians will fight each other to the death after they ban everyone else!
The Catholics are the ones the sued to take religious requirements out of public schools!
It's freedom for all religions or no religion! Guess what ones trump will pick!
Trump should be nervous, Biden can now judge Trump a clear and present danger to national security and decide to eliminate that risk.
If it’s not illegal Biden should start sending the goons in
Bring back Tricky Dick!
Funny thing is, he didn’t say that when talking about Watergate, he was talking with Frost about the Huston Plan.
What I find funny is everyone is talking about this election and the Supreme Court decision and completely forgetting this affects every presidency from here on out too. Foresight really is gone when you just pay attention to talking points.
War crimes are legal. I have yet to see any punishment for those.
Everything that is happening is a deliberate and calculated long game that dates back over the past five decades to Nixon. This isn’t random or unexpected or “part of the new modern era of American politics.” It has been a calculated, patient game to make sure Watergate would never happen again, and to ensure that the regressive minority would hold hugely outsized power in the government.
It has been a coordinated effort of creating reactionary media propaganda outlets, coupled with laser focus on seizing the judiciary. All of this goes back to your grandparents and their parents, and it’s a straight line.
It isn’t for kicks, it is the whole damn point of their game.
So this means Biden can wiretap the shit out of every single aspect of Trumps communications because he suspects Russian interference right? And has to do it and act to protect American democracy?
There is a path to kick out the Nazis without becoming the Nazis I think.
Biden declares the 6 justices enemies of the state and has them arrested for treason and shipped to some black site prison. (Power grab, bad, but follow me here).
Biden, via executive order, declares his 6 new justices are installed without Congresses approval needed (this is "illegal" but no one can stop him since he has immunity).
Biden pardons himself for the above crimes and then resigns. Also not technically legal, but again, immunity.
Harris pardons the 6 conservative justices and has them returned from prison.
The new liberal court overturns the immunity ruling, the bribes ruling, and reinstates Chevron and Roe.
This is all done AFTER November elections as to not affect the elections. If Trump wins you just do it. If Biden wins you skip the second half of step 3 until after he's sworn in.
That is a successful power grab "coup" that also immediately restores power back to the 3 branches coequally and the perpetrator of the coup, Biden, has stepped down.
Idk. Just my thoughts. You have to get a bit unethical to beat them for good, but I want to also not become them.
I don't think election year politics can be considered an official act
rip usa
2016 was the death of this country
This is why saying that if we don’t elect Biden this year it will be the end of democracy is NOT an exaggeration.
I hate this place.
Actually, it's even worse than that. The decision grants the President immunity for "official acts", but doesn't give lower courts any test or standard for what constitutes such an act. Thus, the only determinant of an "official act" is...you guessed it, the Court that just issued this decision.
It's basically carte blanche for the Roberts court to capriciously use this power against Democratic Presidents, and in favor of Republican ones, since the ruling is so intentionally vague. Combine that with the Exxon decision, and we now have a three-tiered government instead of a three-branch government, with unelected "Justices" at the top and Congress at the bottom.
I love that they just gave Joe Biden immunity for anything he may decided to do, like sending Trump on a mandatory vacation to Guantanamo and then whisking him away to an undisclosed location for a prolong stay and loosing the paperwork of where they put him, could be decades before they find him again. Heck he could order the arrest of the members of the Supreme Court, and no one could say anything because it would be legal according to the Supreme Court.
You are right !! It could have changed history.
This isn't true. Nixon was acting as a candidate in this scenario, not president. He'd still be accountable.
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