en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
TIL of "enshittification", a process whereby online services and products experience a decline in quality over time.
(R.6d) Too GeneralThat’s why you never connect your tv to the internet and hookup an AppleTV/Roku/other streaming box of your choice. No need to deal with shitty tv ui and you get to choose whatever box is preferable to you
I've installed hundreds of TVs in my life. The first thing I do these days is go into the service menu and make sure that the TV will never be able to connect to a network.
Out of curiosity, since all television media is basically contained in applications connected to the internet- how do you access this stuff and manage to get around the TV requiring an internet connection? Serious question, cuz fuck all of the modern TV practices
Connect something to the TV whose interface you like and connect that to the internet.
whose interface you like
Or can at least tolerate/serves another purpose.
PlayStation/XBone interfaces have also gone through massive enshittification recently, but since I’m gonna be hooking them up to the TV anyway may as well use them for TV-related activities.
Honestly I use my console for tv watching Far more than for games these days. Fuck ads.
Oh tbh I completely forgot those class of devices exist, thanks for reminding me I can use those, lol.
As u/workinkindofhard said, you use an Apple TV, Roku, or other equivalent device and completely ignore the TV’s built-in software
Oh lord I’m tired and didn’t even see the parent comment you linked, time to log off of Reddit for the night lmao
What about smart tvs
What? That’s instructions and direction for smart tvs from his usage
Your question is rhetorical
They’re dumb
You buy a Roku then they float the idea of displaying ads while paused. Enshittification whack-a-mole.
Sony Bravia + AppleTV. Two companies that don’t fuck around like that.
Or you buy Sony, they don‘t do sh*t like that.
Can you still buy non-smart TVs? They're just a terrible idea, screens far outlast the smart tech
Those already do the same things.
Just like phones.
You don't get a choice about having the software foisted on you.
My tv is just a monitor for my computer. I don't use any kind of streaming stick, I barely even use streaming services. I'm so used to having no/unreliable internet at home that I pirate the majority of what I want to watch just because a download hosted on my own device will never need to buffer.
You’re in 2024 living in 2013 with that effort. How don’t you have reliable internet at home?
Pirating actually makes a lot of sense for certain people. With streaming, you're limited to only what streamers feel like showing at any given time. With pirating, you can have all your favorite TV shows/movies available to watch whenever you want them, wherever you want them.
Rural living and/or not living in a developed/fully developed country.
Lots of rural areas have unreliable service. Not enough money in servicing places like that.
They've actually developed and are going to try out a way to inject ads directly into the HDMI video stream, so even playing video from your own separate device, like a PC, won't help. The TV will be able to pause your video and play an ad.
Source? I googled it and it seems to just be in the patent phase. That's very different from an intention to implement a plan.
Patents are just patents. A filed and granted patent isn’t the same thing as a concrete plan to actually implement the technology described in the patent. We could see this feature come to future Roku TV sets exactly as described, or we could never hear about it again. Everything from the cost of implementing the feature, to difficulty making it work in real life the way it works on paper, to user and partner backlash could dissuade Roku from putting this into practice.
But those streaming boxes have the exact same problem. Enshitification affects all Internet-connected devices that receive updates from profit-driven entities.
I just block their update servers. Real easy fix.
This has been a factor in my not buying a more recent model TV. Mine is pretty close to 20 years old. I could definitely get a bigger one with better resolution, but given that I'm trying to spend more time engaging with the real world, not less, AND I might be forced to watch even more ads and give up even more data...
I can make due...
You know you don’t have to connect a tv to the internet, right? It is a super shitty practice, that’s why my Samsung is never connected to any network.
It is possible to keep those „smart“ tvs dumb
Make do*
Look for large screens instead of TVs. Nowadays there is no meaningful distinction between computer screens and TVs, they both use the same plugs, unless you're still using an antenna for whatever reason.
Jokes on them. My TV stays airgapped. It's basically a big monitor.
I just didn't accept the terms of service.
This actually seems to work to some extent on Sony TVs.
Is there any good TV that is worth to buy then?
Man am I glad the smartest my tv gets is it exists.
Buy a display panel. Hook it up to an Amazon fire stick.
Install vanced.
Boom!
Buy a computer monitor and use that
Most computer monitors don't have an OTA tuner.
True, guess I don't watch enough free to air tv to be concerned with that
Usually either connected to computer or firestick
Good
No Dolby vision, no hdr , no image processing, no passthrough , etc , really now ?
Poor suggestion
Yeah I mean, it's in response to software being too much. Admittedly it's a drastic suggestion, but avoids software issues and provides a basic experience. For some people this is good enough, others want all the bells and whistles - just cause someone doesn't have the highest tech doesn't make it a poor choice, just different and their needs/ wants/ finances being different is ok. If it's not for you then it's not for you.
Funny that this is posted on Reddit.
Removal of third party apps was a big one. Heaps of ads, can't sort by media type, can't search between two points in time, no more UI options, downloading images puts a watermark, uses TONS of network data, slow and buggy as fuck.
How good thanks spez you miserable cunt :)
And probably mines crypto or NFT in the background on mobile. Consistently chowing down my battery like a hungry golden retriever
the latest dumpster fire is that they brought back reddit awards (after abruptly removing them recently) and they put the reddit award button right next to the upvote button on comments so now i’m constantly opening the awards menu by accident. like it only takes a second to close it, but happens often enough that it’s an annoyance.
no more UI options
Unless you switch back to old Reddit (or old new Reddit if you’re weird)
downloading images puts a watermark
That’s a setting you can control.
Subreddits have been largely ruined by the adoption of algorithms pushing subreddits and posts.
Most of the subreddits I see are frequented by people who hate the subject of that subreddit. Because hate drives engagement, so people are suggested subreddits and posts they are likely to dislike.
Amazon. Used to be a place to buy stuff now it’s a place to wade through thousands of cheap Chinese clone products with thousands of fake reviews.
This really cuts into how I felt recently opening Temu for the first time. All the garbage on Amazon was now on sale for like 60% discount.
It’s basically Amazon without a proper return policy. But if I’m paying $50 for a desk that costs $189 on Amazon, why not try it?
Temu is so awkward. Everyone in my area loves it. At gatherings, strangers bragging about buying everything from Temu while I’m basically biting my tongue trying not to ruin the mood and bring up the human rights abuses lol
I think it is extremely, extremely, extremely naive to think that the same products when purchased from Amazon have no human rights abuses.
I also think OP's title is naive to think enshittification is restrained to online goods / services - we see it everywhere especially as private equity gobbles up, for example, hospital clinics - cuts staffing, worsens customer experience and health outcomes - all in the name of short term profits and maximizing market share + monopoly power.
We see it in the airline industry where more planes and flights are controlled by fewer players, who can more easily tacitly collude + price fix all while enshittifying the experience across an entire industry.
RyanAir and Alamo Drafthouse come to mind.
I just discovered it, and yeah, we bought some masonry blades and tools at a fraction of the cost and we’re just amazed. It was like Wish years ago.
I can't understand how anyone would not immediately think Temu is some sort of scam, let alone actually open it
The only way my mind changed on it was after being referred to it by someone I know personally. Was confirmed by my usage.
i'm astounded Amazon still hasn't implemented tags for product listings. So many products have ridiculous strings of keywords rather than names.
Described by Cory Doctorow, who coined the term.
And assuming you can access the article in its entirety, it's extremely well written and a pleasure (a sad pleasure) to read.
HERE IS HOW platforms die: First, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.
I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two-sided market," where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.
I’d like to highlight this quote a million times, because a lot of people are using “enshittification” to just refer to products getting worse, but it’s specifically about businesses whose clients and users are different groups of people and the specific process that happens to them.
I don't mind the word evolving to "getting worse", especially since many company-customer relationships were/become company-customer-marketer-investor relationships and latter two throws tantrums down the line about exploiting customers.
This sounds strikingly similar to the dynamic of being in a relationship with a narcissist: starts with love-bombing, followed by devaluation, followed by discard. Reinforcing my suspicion that we are experiencing a general narc-ification of the culture where everybody is increasingly viewed as an object to be seduced and then parasitised (the same dynamics are visible in politics, social media, dating apps etc.)
Corporations behave in inherently self-interested ways, so that makes sense.
Add a bit of lack of regulation and some monopolisation, and you got yourself a stew brewing.
Yea I believe that's where our society are heading too. But I think you missed the point that users and customers are two different groups in the concept. It's more like first, the narcisstic befriends with somebody close to you. After that, he gets acquainted with you through said friend. Then, he abandon that friend to focus on love-bombing you. Finally, he casts you aside once you are of no use to him.
But that’s precisely how narcs operate: serially collecting and discarding one person after another.
Unfortunately i an seeing the term mis-used, artist per my understanding. Even in other comments here.
So the point of enshittification is not just that 'things get worse'. Lots of things can degrade in quality or the market favours cheaper options.
Rather, it's specifically about a strategy that platforms use. First, you sow users by being free. Then, once you have users (and a monopoly) you then reap monetary rewards by putting ads and charging for things that used to be free.
Users don't leave because there is a network effect where everyone has to be on the one platform. Sure, you can leave Facebook or YouTube and join some other network, but no one else will and you'll be all alone.
This doesn't with in other industries because there isn't a network effect. If any other business started being bad prime would just stop using it.
I'd argue that it's not just online service but anything a corporation provides. The constant pressure of infinite growth from stock holders will eventually force the company to cheap out as much as possible and maximize profits as soon as they've taken over the market. Which results in adding more advertising, cheaper materials, planned obsolescence, underpaid/overworked staff, manipulative marketing, etc etc. "Enshittification" is just what happens when a company can't grow anymore and there's no competition to keep them in check.
I'm skeptical that competition does fuck all. The more streaming platforms that pop up, the worse they ALL seem to get.
I think it’s because it works like a cartel. They mostly cannot offer the same products because of licensing rights. So they divide up the market and do not directly compete on service quality. They only are competing on getting people to want to watch their content.
Just like the "Steam is a monopoly shit fest", in a service minded market (where you're MEANT to compete with a better service) the whole exclusivity bullshit will not provide any competition that us as consumers should ever care about.
A common example is if McDonalds started making certain buns exclusive, or Soda options. No one would like that, and they certainly would if they could do it like Streaming services or EpicGamesStudios does it.
Yeah, streaming is a weird one because it seems to be the one time a monopoly was actually good. But we never really got to see what Netflix would have done with that monopoly when it hit the enshittification stage because all the other studios got greedy and started to cannibalize the industry before that happened. They all over spent trying to get their subscriptions up, then realised that they pretty much had as many people as they were going to get so now they're cutting spending, cancelling shows, and raising prices which is pushing people back towards piracy and further shrinking subscriptions and making the problems worse.
the time when Netflix was basically monopolist was a golden age of TV that has since passed. TV last few years has less quality
I just thought today of how Kleenex has fallen to enshittification. Used to be decent tissues now it just shreds into a fine fibrous dust as you wipe with it or just rips holes through it blowing into it. Just this oppressive bait and switch process of making a good product, becoming a big name in their respective industry, then cutting every corner possible to save a few cents while coasting along on their reputation to keep them going.
Just like fast food, never the best quality but at least it used to be a cheap alternative to full service restaurants. But now they've jacked up the prices so much in some cases you're paying more than a restaurant would charge, for worse quality food
Google Search
Great video on this phenomenon. When marketing is placed at a much higher value than good results - to the point where you have to wade through about 2-4 pages to get to results that are not in some way paid / SEO'd to death. Choking out all competition and worsening the quality and searchability of the internet by its very existence.
The answer? Government enforcing against antitrust and anticompetitive behavior, especially when it comes to tech giant monopolies. Over the last 4 years the FTC / DOJ have accomplished more antitrust work than in the past decade+, we want that to continue. Shoutout to Lina Khan at the FTC.
(Ex they blocked the Spirit / Jetblue merger, they're going after Amazon's predatory anti competitive practices in its marketplace).
Online dating sites are the quintessential example.
Most of the major dating sites are all owned by the same company Match Group (match.com) which in total owns 44 dating sites as of this post (including Okcupid, PoF, and Tinder).
The sites have all degraded to be nothing more than Mobile games hidden under the guise of being a dating app, selling subscription services, micro transactions, and pushing ads to its users.
The enshittification process started the moment someone in management at match.com realized that the moment they help 2 people find a partner they lose 2 customers...
Honestly, dating apps are one of the most evil things ever invented and it doesn't get talked about enough.
People will complain about Eharmony's price model but honestly, it is the most honest dating site.
The website has not changed much in 20 years and that is its charm. It literally just lists everyone like a social media platform and lets you message anyone. It is pricey but the pricing model is a flat subscription with no BS.
I highly recommend it to anyone. The price also tends to remove people who aren't actively searching so you won't find yourself wasting your time unless you don't put effort into yourself, photos, and bio.
Online or offline--that's just capitalism, friends.
Shareholder capitalism, to be more specific. Plenty of government-owned corporations that turn a tidy profit while maintaining good services because they're not beholden to the growth monster.
Capitalism is kinda like smoking crack cocaine. There's just no respectable way to go about it.
Compared to say, what?
So because a perfect substitute cannot be offered, no criticism can be accepted?
When did i say a perfect substitute? Or even imply it? Bit of a strawman
Lets make the standard “better” instead. Not perfect.
What is a better system?
Everything is relative, so when you make these criticisms what are you comparing it to? This matters because otherwise the issue might be inherent in industrialised economic systems or some other feature rather than that of the specific property relations we are talking about. So if there is no alternative being discussed, you have nothing to compare it to
Surely improvements to the current system would be a great start.
But when you’re only input to a discussions on a systematic shortfall is - ‘tell me what’s better’, it comes across as a denial of any problem at all.
Communism.
Constant growth isn't inherently a part of capitalism. That's caused by tax policy in the US.
that’s caused by tax policy in the US
Weird that the same effects can be found outside the US then.
Did you forget the internet allows non-Americans to read and reply to your comments, or did you just forget that the world outside the USA exists?
I can't speak to other countries' tax structures. My guess is that they have similar disincentives. Corporate taxes are politically easy and popular. The advocates generally didn't do any math or understand the incentive system they are creating.
You can "Raarr I hate corpos" all day long, but they are going to follow the system you create. When your system punishes a company for being profitable instead of growing, then they will seek growth.
The math is pretty easy, let me know if you have any problems following along.
Profits paid to investors (aka dividends) pay a corporate tax of 20% and the investors pay capital gains taxes. If the profits are reinvested, the value of the company should grow by the amount of the investment. So, without taxes, an investor doesn't really care if there is growth or dividends because they capture the value either way. But since dividends get that extra 20% tax, investors prefer growth. Even if it's a bad investment and loses money, as long as it loses less than the 20% corporate tax rate then it's a better option.
If you want to stop the infinite growth mindset then you need to change the tax code so that paying dividends is equivalent or better than reinvesting into growth.
Was hoping at least one person could figure it out. "Gee, that kinda sounds like what's happening to LITERALLY EVERYTHING." We don't need a new word to describe the process. There was this bearded guy that laid it out in detail over a century ago.
Abraham Lincoln yes
Lincoln was a socialist. He was a fan of Marx.
No, he really wasn’t a socialist, what a ridiculously shallow analysis. They corresponded but Lincoln never voiced support for socialism, and frequently made clear his support for wage labour, which would make no sense if he accepted marxist analysis and wouldn’t explain why his returning words did not voice the same enthusiasm for the revolution as marxes original letter.
“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”
-Abraham Lincoln.
That doesn't sound very capitalist to me.
Thats because you have no understanding of any of the ideologies you talk about.
This is a view in many capitalist frameworks, its not marxist in the slightest, you saw “labour more important than capital” and assumed marxism, which is like the analysis of a 15 year old. Generally a marxist wont talk this way, they will talk in terms of the value derived from labour and how they believe exploitation occurs based on that.
His defence of wage labour sounds very not marxist to me.
But again, childish view because it forgets a very important thing, almost everyone thought and thinks this!!!!!!!! Not just marxists. Its not an anti capitalist view to say labour proceeds capital, capital is just anything productive, a factory is capital, of course labour proceeds it, adam smith wouldn’t argue, henry george wouldnt argue, mises wouldnt argue, friedman wouldnt argue. All capitalists. Now which deserves higher consideration is a matter of view at the time, social democrats consider themselves to put labour over capital, they are capitalists though. Basically its only marxism then if you are a marxist and believe only marxism can achieve that, then sure but thats loading it a bit
Whatever helps you feel whole at night.
Exactly. The one that said if he could win the Civil War without freeing any slaves, he would. Truly the best of the founding fathers.
Founding father? Lincoln was the 16th president, quite far removed from the founding fathers - unless there's a definition I'm unaware of.
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Yes, thank you, I'm aware. I replied to a joke with a joke.
That guy had some great ideas, I'm sure if we start a revolution using his ideas we will achieve a utopia and everything will be perfect and untold numbers of people won't die.
Have you ever considered how many millions have died for Capitalism to thrive? Honest question. Toxic sludge dumped in our rivers because it's what's best for shareholders. Countries we've overthrown for cheaper rubber, sugar, oil, bananas ffs. Countless other examples. I'm not defending any of it, just saying it's a horse race.
I don't think environmental pollution is intrinsic to "capitalism". Communist countries were just as environmentally unfriendly as non-communist countries.
I also don't identify general human conditions such as greed, corruption, wrath, and warfare as being inherently intrinsic to capitalism. I think it is a massive mistake to identify them as such, and I think history has shown just how bloody that ethos can become.
Never said communists couldn't pollute. But I would estimate the amount of trash and pollution created by Capitalism to be far greater. Same for war. You know we (the us) are the worlds largest arms dealers right? Gonna argue we aren't corrupt to the core after the recent SC ruling?
Pollution isn't created by capitalism, it's created by humans. War isn't created by capitalism, it's created by humans. Trying to tie all the evils of the world to a fundamental system of human nature that you will never get rid of is foolish.
Where did I say Capitalism created pollution? How silly. You're creating strawmans left and right. Capitalism merely exacerbated, expanded, and profitized these evils.
"Capitalism" isn't a philosophy. People don't wage wars or pollute in the name of "capitalism".
People trading goods for other goods and services is something that has existed for all of modern human history, and trying to identify it as the root of evil and start a revolution in the name of your preferred system has been tried many times historically and ended up in the deaths of many, many, many MANY people. Horrible, brutal, bloody deaths in a very short amount of time.
If you find yourself identifying with the philosophy that caused that much destruction in such a short amount of time, it might be worth thinking deeply about your intentions.
My guy, if you don't think we've waged wars for Capitalism, I don't know what to tell you besides "Open a history book".
utopia
Tell me you don't know anything about Marx without telling me.
Please enlighten me.
Before Marx started writing he read what other authors had to say about both capitalism and socialism, in doing that he realized they were idealists and believed in utopic ideas, drawing a parallel with the scientific method they simply observed something, proposed a theory, then just assumed it as true, ignoring the most fundamental step of checking the theory against reality.
After that he and Engels developed a method of analysis called "historical and dialectical materialism" to fundament their views on material reality (as opposed to idealism), that's why their 'version' of socialism is called scientific socialism, and every Marxist author since then uses this method and most consider it Marx's greatest legacy.
No Marxist will ever tell you about a perfect society or anything like that, simply because it goes against everything they believe in.
Funny how the most important aspect of Marxism is left out from the common sense knowledge of Marx.
Were the communist revolutions of the 20th century that caused so much death and destruction not directly inspired by the philosophy of Marx?
But that's not how capitalism functioned for a lot of its histories. Many things got better. Enshittification is the specific consequences of capitalism in online, ad based service.
The irony that this is happening to the internet itself isn't lost on me.
Isn't this the case for the world for most people in developed countries, watching the rich take the majority of the wealth while pitting the political groups against each other while they dodge the blame?
Once it is popular, make the product worse and have an option to pay for it to be good.
All services and products. Financialisation will ruin everything you’ve ever enjoyed forever.
YouTube and Google have really gone down hill.
Basically any publicly traded company.
Obligatory link to Cory Doctorow's blog.
Did you learn that that process occurs today, or just that it has a name?
Seems to be a good word to describe what's happening to the Supreme Court.
This was nicely positioned above another post about laying off writers for ai.
Halloween chocolates were actually good when I was a kid, and the ones they sell now are extremely low quality. Fast food fried in tallow like they used to was and is significantly more delicious than foods fried in vegetable or seed oils.
Google search
Oh the Spotify-cation. We are aware.
We're living it, bb. Peak years (hopefully).
It’s a clear result if corporations cashing in on monopoly power. We need to turn the 50 largest decent companies into 300 great companies.
If you can afford it, always use a desktop PC with Windows 10 and Mozilla Firefox with Ublock Origin and control it with a Logitech K400. There's no better way to go.
Enshittification happens due to a quirk of how tech companies are usually funded.
Tech is difficult to make, so the product cycle takes years, or even decades to complete. However, tech is also massively valuable. Some think it's a bubble, which may or may not be true, but the grim reality is nobody actually knows until they're years deep in terms of investment. Tech always gets inflated valuations, so investment capitalists come in believing that the tech will one day yield one thing, but actually when it comes time to farm the fruits of their capital, it's worth another.
This is how you got crazy rounds of investment for seemingly random tech startups back in the day. So much insane upfront capital is pushed into these companies and while the company probably loves all of this capital flowing in because it helps them grow and build the product quicker and their owners have probably never seen so much money in their lives, it's actually a bit of a double edged sword because they have to eventually make good on these investments.
The effect of this is that the tech company gets into a position where they don't really care that much about money. They've just received more money than they know what to do with, so they genuinely go in and make the best possible product they can, or go all in on experimental workplace cultures, massive offices, go all in on all the excesses you usually see with tech companies because they have what is essentially an unlimited supply of free money that in all honesty they probably don't need, because now they have it, they have to use it or its seen as irresponsible to not utilize your investors money on building the product that will eventually earn what it was valued at.
This means there is a period of explosive growth, and the company in question is focused on 1 thing over earning money, since there is only one possible thing to focus on, users. They do everything they can to get as many users of their software as possible. They may be in a position where they are haemorrhaging money offering products or services to users at an unreasonably low price. Giving them all sorts of features that over an extended period would run them into the ground, but over the short term does nothing but increase buzz, increase user activity, and get these users hooked on the platform. Tech companies are usually massively unprofitable.
Fundamentally however, it comes time to pay the piper. Economics over time, and especially with COVID and the inflationary hit that followed have meant that a lot of investors are now in need of capital, and to get it, they want to start seeing their investments pay out. Well, these tech companies are now in a bit of a pickle. Because either 1 of 2 things now have to happen.
Either they were not actually worth what they were valued at, and are unable to secure the amount of capital their investors originally expected, or they are valued correctly in which case great job, but now you need to increase those returns quarterly, or else investors will pull their funding in search of higher returns. Either way, it incentivizes tech companies to tap into their user base with as many cost saving measures, nickel and diming, dark patterns, subscriptions as possible to either meet their value, or increase returns year on year.
This is the enshittification we see. Tech companies now need to start making their own money, because they've run out of the tens of billions of free money they got from investors. And quite a lot of tech companies have realized what they're selling ain't worth as much as they thought, and their users resent that they seemed to be unwittingly been living through a golden age of tech, and now that golden age is gone they are unwilling to accept the new status quo. Fundamentally, the things tech companies were offering us were never viable, and they knew that. The great software we got was merely a hook, to get users on the platform to create a semi-captured market, and then you use that semi-captured market to extract wealth, either directly, by cancelling expensive features, through subscriptions, microtransactions, or ad revenue. And that is how tech products get worse, we as users don't want to see this at all. We just want the service we've been using to either get better over time or stay the same. But there is no money in doing that from the companies point of view. They have to make the experience worse, because that's what makes the money.
The economic conditions that allowed tech to operate like it did now no longer exists, and likely never will again. Tech from a product/service point of view is as good as its ever going to get, barring some insane disrupting innovation. But nobody is funding that future innovation because nobody has any fucking money any more.
Does enshittification really make more money than what they lose from users leaving their shitty service?
Funny way to spell capitalism
“capitalism is when bad things”
Pretty often, yeah. Especially when it's a company doing the bad thing.
What does a company doing something have to do with capitalism? Every anti capitalist ideology bar primitivism has companies, and only centrally planned economies have total monopolised companies.
So which system are you referring to that doesn’t have a company doing bad things? Socialism? So the workers becoming shareholders suddenly changes what exactly? Communism? Collective ownership changes what exactly? Its still a company, made up of workers where the workers will decide the direction those means of productions are taken. Mutualism? A company is then just an assortment of service contracts in a federal entity, still each time all of these will have the companies best interest at heart and will want to seek to maximise its production, as such none of these systems are a guard against “companies often doing bad things” it has nothing to do with them making more than breakeven or having absentee shareholders.
For example, lets take socialism and this exact titled situation. What about netflix would have changed about the service if it had been worker owned? The incentive is still the same, in fact its worse now because you cant sell shares to raise capital and have to rely on the significantly more conservative bond market or maybe if a mutual bank has sufficient capital they could loan this, either way the push for quality decline would have happened. Nothing to do with private ownership of the means of production
Because individuals, governments, NGOs, etc. can also do bad things.
I think you have a bee in your bonnet there, partner.
My point is it has zero to do with capitalism.
This term sounds like it's from the playground lmao.
enpissification should be a word too
The world is your oyster, my friend. Write an essay. Publish it in wired.
no one better take my idea
Hey that word has already been around for a long time, it's called capitalism.
Also known as "AI"
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This is happening massively with televisions. You can no longer control the user experience of using your TV. Samsung, LG, whomever, force updates onto your TV. The biggest change is shoveling ads into the UI itself, but there are other pernicious changes... tracking you, slowing the interface, etc.