HIV/AIDS in Africa
A map of Africa where DRC and South Sudan aren’t the worst of the worst. Holy carp.
Unlike your country of origin and what you watch on TV, Congolese people are highly disciplined and cultured people. They are family oriented and not as poor as folks from other African countries , therefore, Sexually transmitted diseases is less there.
You nearly had the high ground here if you hadn’t come out the gate slinging remarks about racial inferiority.
Triggered much?
Rwanda fucks for food ( true story)
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My country of origins least populace state is worth more than your entire country. We have commercials about feeding poor children in your country since the late 80s Damn not gonna lie I thought I’d have more but I’m not trying to get banned again. Well I took my shot at being racist in this comment thread lol
Why is Somalia not affected?
Strict Muslims & extremely patriarchal culture.
More accurately, societal attitudes to sex outside of marriage due to the strong influence of Islam. Also, prostitution, while it exists in small amounts, is also strongly frowned upon. These factors lead to protection against the spread of sexually transmitted diseases
It’s only huge in South Africa because that’s where they created it
Actually because it was created in South Africa
All of Africa is patriarchal, how on earth does that correlate with Aids? A husband can transfer his aids onto his wife. Somalia isn’t any more patriarchal than say Nigeria or Uganda or any other counties where men can have an infinite amount of wives/girlfriends.
We just don’t have rampant prostitution and people engaging in free sex as much.
They lieing to you sis! The Europeans created it in South Africa
Premarital sex is frowned upon because of culture and religion
Why would it be? Strange question.
Most probably the lack of data
Because there’s no testing. You’re looking at a map of the ability to report
So you think people in the villages of Congo are able to test and report but somehow everyone in Somalia doesn’t have access to testing and reporting it? If there is testing in nearby Ethiopia and Kenya, it exists in Somalia as well.
Just face it, Somalia has an extremely low aids rate.
Simply means date is not available in the DRC & South Sudan
20% people in South Africa have HIV? Never thought such high numbers are possible.
That is a scary statistic
Raw sex in SA is so cheap and easy, nobody cares about HIV
That's wild
People here are wayyy too lax about unprotected sex that's why, abortions are free and readily available at most clinics so a lot of people especially high schoolers and university students tend to be a bit reckless. There's also the fact that we have on of the highest sexual assualt rates in the world so it can get passed on via penetrative sexual assault.
I’m not sure why no one is saying this, but you’re just looking at a stability map. The more stable and wealthy a country is, the more HIV testing they can do
That's also a very good shout, funny enough we were having a conversation about this in my university class about how during Covid our country was by far the worse affected statistically and we got decimated in comparison to our fellow African countries, but when we had conversations with our friends when they came back after lock down ended they described the situation in Nigeria and Kenya being almost exactly the same as ours and it led to a conversation about how South Africa tends to be at the top of both the "good" lists and the "bad" lists and the conclusion was that because the record keeping is so accurate and widespread it tends to give a very honest picture and the volume of data puts us at the high end of most lists involving African countries.
Yes, that's why the DRC and Somalia, two of the most unstable countries in the world, have rates comparable with Tunisia and Morocco, the most stable countries of the whole African continent
Rape culture and common belief that sex with virgin can cure HIV have certain negative impact on national health.
What??😳
Something like 30% of South Africa’s police are HIV positive. It’s been a total shit show since 1994.
So after 1994 they just magically got hiv ?
No it was spreading in the townships in the late 1980’s. But after 1994 the previously high standards for civil service were discarded and a lot of cadre employment became the norm. Corruption and gross nepotism spread everywhere.
So the Police were no exception. Instead of hiring the best they hired political allies/operatives. Their poor physical and mental fitness not being a barrier at all.
You have to understand South Africa before 1994 was a continental power. They had the best military and the largest economy in all of Africa.
They were the only country in Africa with nuclear weapons.
He may he white but he isn't wrong. South Africa has gone shit after 1994. That's for everyone to see.
Exactly, his comment isn't about what race cane into power, it's about who came into power. That 'who' being corruption officials.
At one point 28% of school girls in South Africa were hiv positive
Wtf
But that was like 10 years ago. The hiv rate in South Africa is 15% now. Still high but they went through some crazy times.
When you start doing age brackets it gets even more intense, areas such as Swaziland estimates of female 20-25 year olds are around 40%+
Nigeria must be doing something right that is halting the "plague" ravaging from South Sudan all the way to Cameroon
My guess is muslims are more religious
Nah, i think its just nigeria is a stable country. I have been to the northern part of nigeria. I know how people sleep around. Access to items that promote safe sex is cheap
Research would suggest otherwise
Southern Nigeria has a much higher prevalence than the Muslim north.
You can clearly see the division between Muslim and non-Muslim majority countries in this map. Nigeria has one of the largest Muslim populations not just in Africa but the entire world.
Not true
Condoms are readily available or atleast was with the group of guya i stayed with. I also feel things are under reported.
Maybe not testing enough?
Only explanation tbh
Finally someone is saying it!!!! This is a map of the ability to report
… Lesotho has a disproportionate capacity to report HIV cases? Respectfully, no
It’s a map which tracks social deprivation and local cultures attitude towards sex.
Very possible. Or maybe awareness amongst the populace
There’s definitely a high level of awareness about hiv here, we learn about it as early as elementary school. But there’s still a lot of stigma around the disease, so people who have it are usually adverse to seeking medical attention or don’t even get tested at all.
Not sure we start learning about it in Primary schools o. Unless they’ve started teaching them now. But by earl JSS awareness is very high
I remember my teacher talking about it in primary 6 so yea almost jss
If the statistical approach taken is accurate and normative, then it wouldn't matter how many people from the whole population get tested.
Only if you're doing random sampling, and even then you are at risk of missing local outbreak. However diseases are generally counted only when diagnosed by the doctor, which is why their prevalence in the population is always higher than official statistics are suggesting. We've all seen it during Covid.
Which would also explain why poor and disfunctional country like DRC has such low number when compared to it's neigbors.
First of all, DRC isn't poor compared to your country of origin. Congolese have old money and, collectively, share their resources. Hence, nothing is new to their eyes.
The low number in DRC is due to their strong marriage culture and women sexual discipline.
There's 70% chance for a young woman to get married to her first or second boyfriend.
I know a lot of people who have raw sex with prostitutes in nigeria constantly under the guise of “I’m a big man”, I’m 100% certain we are not testing enough, when these people get sick and die their families always hide the causes as well so the numbers are even lower.
I remember there was a time some medical professionals in lekki tweeted that HIV is prevalent almost every time they do a sexual check in Lagos.
The numbers actually look very good compared to 10 or 20 years ago.
Not surprised... I grew I'm in Swaziland (Eswathini) in the 90s to early 2000s and the ads were everywhere... HIV/ AIds... everywhere these ads were on TV, on billboards, newspapers...
Growing up hearing the "Sex with Virgin will cure aids myth"
"Can't transmit the disease if a sangoma puts protection over you"
Took a shower to cure aids heheh..
Not surprised... the way it spread like wildfire.. Men bringing it into the home and accusing their wives, the "correctional rape" of lesbians in the townships transmitting the disease... men refusing to disclose their status
Women refusing to disclose their status
It was wild yo.
Alot of kids my age feared sex as a whole . Seeing people you knew die from it was a deterrent. Sad how some people only received ARVs later ..had a family member that lost her husband but saved her kids because of ARVs.
I'm guess it's even worse now with even more promiscuity..
Why is it so bad? I never imagined it could be as bad as what this map shows. Is it disinformation that's been spread around, or something else?
My guess is there's some sort of sampling bias in this map. If there's less testing overall, there's less cases as a whole, including positive ones, even if reality might not reflect those statistics
So glad to see someone saying this. We are looking at a map of testing ability
Disinformation of the worst kind. The president in South Africa in the early 2000s was Anti-Vax, didn't believe in HIV and did everything he could to prevent research or drug prescription.
Instead of providing these drugs, which he described as "poisons", shortly after he was elected to the presidency, he appointed Manto Tshabalala-Msimang as the country's health minister, who promoted the use of unproven herbal remedies such as ubhejane, garlic, beetroot, and lemon juice to treat AIDS, which led to her acquiring the nickname "Dr. Beetroot." These policies have been blamed for the preventable deaths of between 343,000 and 365,000 people from AIDS.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism_in_South_Africa
No, it’s legitimate, unprotected sex, prostitution and rape plague Africa largely.
One of the perks of not having enough sexual intercourse!
There's some pattern here guys, you can't ignore this.
Edit: I was trying to show some relation here and speculate why this might be the case; not try to start a religious war. Also, I may be wrong here and it just happens to be a coincidence.
Your pattern doesn’t make sense. Why is DRC lower than Chad?
It's not an exact relation, but it does show a major trend.
Dig deeper. There are so many confounding variables.
What would be some of the major ones in your opinion?
Data collection and standards Testing Public access to health care
And again if it was Islam then you have to explain what about Islam exactly keeps you inculcated from HIV.
Can’t be sex because Muslims are having sex and definitely having sex before marriage
Even if muslims are having sex before marriage, it is at rate incomparable to people who dont view it as a sin. STDs are transmitted through sex. If you have less sex with different people, you have less STDs. There is literally a causative pathway to explain why muslim countries have less HIV lol, its OK to admit muslim countries do some things well
Religion plays a part but the overall societal culture plays a role just as important
If it's because of Christianity vs Islam then why doesn't Ethiopia have a higher rate since it's majority Christian?
Ethiopia isn’t a Niger-Congo speaking nation. They still are mostly Afro-Asiatic and 40% of Ethiopians are Muslim according to recent data.
Because it's 30-50% Muslims.
35-40% of Ethiopia are Muslims
Some pattern, not THE pattern, is what I said. There's some few exceptions to this. But you can't ignore the fact that most of the Muslim African countries have very low rates and most of the christian African countries have high rates.
Christianity is not as 'strict' in the ways to worship God as other religions like Islam. You'll find a person who never touched the bible or set foot in church in the last 5 years saying he's a Christian. But you'll rarely find a Muslim who doesn't pray at their time facing their direction everyday. The 'strictness' of Islam forces people to be more moral. Lakini huku Kenya you hear the Instagram stories at kemunto or something, where people purposefully spread their STD's. Mind you those people might claim to be christians.
I've come to the conclusion that you guys are just hating and don't want to admit that there's some truth to this. In Kenya, HIV is prevalent among the youth, many of which are increasingly abandoning their religion, becoming secular. They are setting their own morals where their impulsive sexual desires are permitted. (Slightly out of topic but, I may also argue the STD,s are more prevalent in the LGBTQ community compared to standard sexualities)
(PS, This is coming from a Christian. It's been quite a while since I went to church solely to worship. And an even greater while since I read more than a few bible verses with the genuine intention of learning instead of just proving a point in a silly argument. I'm also slightly Islamaphobic, but I can't argue with this.)
Correlation != causation. With only two maps to look at, there is an association that may or may not be related. That’s all that can be said.
That doesn't mean that you should completely disregard it. Don't tell me that most countries with low rates just happen to be Islamic. It's got to be more than just a coincidence.
What would you list as the cause in your opinion? And if you've ruled out religion, why?
You could do the same map with Arabs - berbers and black Africans.
Are you saying black Africans are aids ridden? Your hate towards Christians is quite extreme, you should reevaluate your points.
What would you say is the major cause then?
I was just showing that there may be some relation. If I could do the same map with Arabs and black Africans, I could also say that black Africans are aids ridden. I was just putting two and two together. Not wanting to start a religious war.
If it also happened that the countries with the most HIV prevalence rear ducks and grow oranges, while those with low rates don't... I could also say that there's some pattern there. And speculate based on the evidence, that ducks are HIV carriers and somehow spread the virus to us through their eggs lol.
I don't hate on Christians. I'm a Christian as well. I was speculating why there was a relation with HIV and religion and that was what I came up with. I also admit I could be wrong though.
Catholic vs Coptic. Catholic Church has been anti-condom for a long time, and uses its influence to push that.
30% of 100million’s Ethiopia are Muslims. did you snap that?!
just accept the fact
Let’s do the same map with pedophilia child marriages. 😂
You're taking this out of context. I'm not hating on Christianity or favouring Islam, I'm just pointing out that this might be somewhat related.
Huku Kenya personally we have a moral problem. People with HIV and other STD's are deliberately spreading their illnesses.
Say what you will about Islam, but I doubt they allow sexual relations to be this 'loose'. Here in Kenya, you're not even sure if your girlfriend knowingly slept with a positive mubabaz for money.
Wait until you compare it to a map with the countries colored by distance from the equator. It's going to blow your mind.
Hinduism? Dang,I didn't know there was in south africa
HIV spreads through contact and originates in Central Africa, the North/East parts of Africa are isolated from Central Africa and don't really interact with the people. China (a country full of atheists) has a HIV rate of 0.0075%. Don't be dense lol.
What can you attribute the cause to then? If it's many factors, what would be the major contributor?
If it originates from Central Africa, why does DRC and Angola have lower rates than a Country like South Africa which is just as far from the Central region as North African countries? I could argue that the religion of most N.African countries limts them from 'interacting' with people. The religion also limits drug abuse and alcoholism, a key factor in cases of rape and poor judgements, which can influence horrible sexual decisions.
China is really competent compared to most African countries. They act on facts and adapt quickly to changing environments, often establishing systems that protects them from the same disasters if they were to happen again.
I don't think you're understanding my point. HIV is pretty much contained to a specific region and in that region researchers say it spread through river travel. It's not about the number of sexual partners or even how frequently you have sex, it's about whether that disease exists in your region or not. You mentioned that China's competency is why they have the lowest rate, but no, it's moreso because Chinese people are isolated from where HIV originates. North Korea doesn't have HIV cases either and they have religions banned as well as a really bad government. Turkey is apparently the country with the most sexual partners and their HIV rate is lower than every country on the map.
I get your point but...
If it's about the existence, then wouldn't I be right to say that the virus exists in all African countries based on the visual data? If not then why are some countries more red than others?
Islamic countries keep it in the family. The staggering amount of incest is insane.. people marry their cousins
At least 1/4th of our pop does not carry some sort of sexual disease
You, yesterday:
Yes Isaaqis suffered a humiliating defeat and no retaliation so far. The truth is 67% of Isaaqi men are build like women with child bearing hips not fit for warfare which is why 500+ isaaqi men rotting in Las Anod prison.
Look at his username as well. Mentally sick individual. For those who don't understand the context, this guy is saying a dictator was right to commit genocide on a group of people
what the hell, that's a crazy ass comment.
link??
Don’t blame the colonizers. Blame ANC for destroying South Africa. Daily power outages, high AIDS rates, normalization of antisemitism.
Alhamdullilah for Islām.
Tbh it has nothing to do with Islam in Africa they are spreading the illness in hospitals and there are victims of this illness as well even Muslim people.
19.9%?
Why is it especially high in Southern Africa?
I'm not sure about our neighbors but for south africa there was a lack of education on the downsides of unprotected sex especially throughout the 2000s and abortion was both free and readily available so since people were worried about pregnancy and not sexually transmitted diseases HIV and other STD rates increased rapidly especially among highs schoolers and university students. We've also got very high sexual assault rates, one of the highest in the world, so that certainly doesn't help.
Wow I didn’t know about those details. Shows how important medicine is as well as public information.
Idk why no one is saying this, but you’re looking at a map of the ability to report. It’s not a coincidence the most stable and wealthy countries have the highest numbers…..it’s because they have the highest testing levels
Congo's rate is the most impressive to me because HIV literally originated there.
Yep, Jonas Salk was a very naughty boy. S.A is biological warfare. The world apparently gets a kick out of this but nothing lasts forever.
How old is this map? I thought George Bush and Bono eradicated AIDs in Africa?
Not a surprise to see the southern part of Africa flooded with HIV/AIDS
How come Congo and Angola are so low considering their high percentage neighbours?
Angola had a civil war from the 70s to the early 2000s. So migration into Angola was low during the period that HIV emerged and became the global pandemic.
You know one day those motherfuckerz Will make this vírus Góes Airborne And It Will be like COVID but you get HIV instead
I’m astonished af
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Religion and specially Islam.
Looks like Muslim nations have the lowest
~20% in southern Africa is absolutely bonkers as a statistic. 1 in 5 adults you'd see in the street would be infected.
What is going on in South Africa?
Why Congo is not affected?
There is no country named Western Sahara 🤦🏻♂️
Debateable
Makes sense SA is so high since that’s where the colonizers created it.
I thought SA would be one of the least since it's one of the more developed African countries. I'm shook. I visited Capetown a few months ago and thinking how many people I have passed that could potentially have HIV, just wow.
Why hiv/ aids rates are Africa
Why hiv/ aids rates are Africa
HIV is lowest in Muslim countries alhamdulilah
I remember I was in Uganda, they had said it had the lowest rate of infection, although after many discussions it was found most countries don’t teach rapid testing. They just didn’t know.
Just want to point out that most of the countries with a high rate tend to be very accurate in record keeping, good quality healthcare systems and encourage people tested. As opposed to the lower rate countries whose population doesn’t have access to get tested and generally under reports their findings because of lack of accurate record keeping.
Muslim = White or very light yellow
Christian = Orange
Secular = red
Do you remember when the pope went there and asked the people to not use condoms? That was fun.
I remember a slightly more liberal priest visiting sa saying that condoms mustn't b used to prevent babies, but maybe to prevent hiv god would forgive them for using a condom
That sounds very important! Ok, I´ll become a muslim or a christian right now. You know, I am secular and now I´m afraid of getting AIDS if I don´t.
Good on you.
I remember a slightly more liberal priest visiting sa saying that condoms mustn't b used to prevent babies, but maybe to prevent hiv god would forgive them for using a condom
Democratic Republic of Congo and Angola do have Christian populations.
Every single Zambian I know is Christian and incredibly pious, and most Zimbabweans and South Africans are Christian too. Stop saying stuff just to say stuff
Are they religiously Christian? Because everybody I know in Kenya says they are christian, yet they don't pray, they don't read the bible, they don't go to church and they don't practice the teachings.
He does have a point. The data here seems to correlate with religion. Christianity is very lax when it comes to the strictness of how to worship their God.
and So. alia has 0.1?? I cant believe that.. There is no proper testing in Somalia..
However, it’s important to note that Somalia has faced challenges such as political instability and limited healthcare infrastructure, which can impact the accuracy and completeness of health data. International organizations often assist in data collection and reporting to improve reliability, but there may still be limitations to consider.
For the most accurate and current information, it’s recommended to refer to the latest reports from credible sources such as UNAIDS, the World Bank, and the Somali government’s health department.
Western Sahara has spent nearly 50 years fighting NOT to be part of Morocco (and, for a time, Mauritania), so it doesn't have the time to collect such data.
Western Sahara just exist on maps, in reality Moroccan people live there with Moroccan citizenship and Moroccan flag. The Sahraoui people are living in Tindouf Algeria
Morocco has colonized Western Sahara though. 2/3 of the population (out of a total of 500,000 people) are transferred Moroccan civilians. This was done in direct violation of Article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention.
i dont trust this map.. somalia less then 0,1? No way
It’s because Islam forbids sex before marriage, and people just don’t have aids or HIV. Somalia isn’t bad at everything
You see this trend throughout all Muslim countries on this map.
100%
They forbids marriage before sex :O That was something I have never heard of before 😘
Why no way? Sex before and outside of marriage is forbidden, so is homo sex, like why would Somalia have a hiv/aids problem? It's a pretty homogenous country and no one migrates there either.
There are a lot of Ethiopian, Yemeni and Syrian migrants but other than that you’re right.
You clearly know nothing about Somalis. We are one the most religious Muslims in the Islamic World with a strict patriarchal culture from our days as nomads.
Culturally we are distinct from Bantus. This is why HIV ravages Bantu nations and not Afro-Asiatic Muslims (North Africa + Somalia/Djibouti)
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That username??
He kinda was right, Somalia will always be in the same situation (under Ethiopian and Kenyan occupation in the east and the south) until we unite
Even the Somali Region of Ethiopia has the lowest HIV prevalence in their country. Pretty consistent with other Muslim nations.
another Source
Why is Afar Region high on the list and not at somali Region low level? Both Afar and Somali are Muslims
Here’s a publication that explains why
However, it’s important to note that Somalia has faced challenges such as political instability and limited healthcare infrastructure, which can impact the accuracy and completeness of health data. International organizations often assist in data collection and reporting to improve reliability, but there may still be limitations to consider.
For the most accurate and current information, it’s recommended to refer to the latest reports from credible sources such as UNAIDS, the World Bank, and the Somali government’s health department.
Cope and seethe
Somalia does not have aids problem
The best way to keep HIV out is consistently beings war torn nations & immigration out flow
Has nothing to do with emigration. There are 14 million Somalis in Somalia and the population is growing not declining
Islam, allow it man
Hiv/Aids was a western laboratory created bio-weapon.
They used bio-weapons and germ warfare during the Korea War too where they perfected their weapons
No it was a 6G powered cyborg vaxxed Bill Gates
And people still want to sleep around…
It’s mostly from transmission from mother to child via breastfeeding
Wrong. Prevention of mother to child transmission protocols are pretty fool proof now. Just have to follow them. Here in Zambia it is the exception to see a child who got infected from mom.
Up until very recently the WHO just recommended breastfeeding no matter what and getting the baby infected. Now we have better protocols. But these numbers are a relic of that recommendation.
Children who are positive at birth tend to demise at a young age and so will not affect these stats for long.
It’s people unable to keep their pants on!
Kenya is very much aware of the HIV crisis. We have a good health care system compared to other African countries. Our traditional culture discourages sleeping around with everybody.
That’s wild… I would not feel comfortable to have sex there, sorry…
Why would you go have sex there🙄
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