All of them call him Freddy and they’re a quartet of hippies in a van. Of course they’re poly.
Can’t believe they called the Mystery Gang the “Scooby Gang.” Can’t even get their Scooby Doo terminology right smh.
Yeah that’s Buffy talk.
Need to include the word scooby as much as possible to separate it from the scoobyless times
Can't believe you called Mystery Inc. the "Mystery Gang."
If we wanna be pedantic about it it's actually Mystery Inc.
In lore they're called Mystery Inc. but in pop culture they're the Scooby Gang.
It's kinda like everyone refers to that alternate timeline Gwen Stacy as Spider-Gwen even if in universe she's just Spider-woman.
Spider-Gwen is a little complicated because while she is called Spider-Woman in-universe, Spider-Gwen is the name of her comic series because there was already an established Marvel hero called Spider Woman.
Extra confusing cause in some variants, she is called Ghost Spider
You mean Mystery Inc.? Can't believe you called them the Mystery Gang tsk tsk
Eh, both are right, its just that mystery gang is the canonical one.
One think I think they should add is having both shaggy and scooby be pan, and there's a running joke where they keep meeting other person/dog duos like themselves, and shaggy falls in love with the person while scooby falls in love with the dog every time regardless of their genders lol
This is just the plot of Scooby-Doo Alien Invaders
I must have watched that on VHS 20 times.
I'm just imagining you (not as a kid mind you but like just the other day) going "Oh boy time for my?daily viewing of officially sanctioned and completely canon Scooby Doo polyamory fanfiction on VHS".
Can you tell I've never watched the episode in question.
its a movie ha
Scooby Doo Alien Invaders is one of the very many Scooby films, and for whatever reason they decided to give Shaggy and Scooby alien girlfriends in that movie and that's all I remember about it
Are the other dogs elder gods too?
Nova definitely is, yes.
I reckon it would depend on the episode. Sometimes they are and sometimes not
Why yes I do ship shaggy and batman
Yes, but an anthropomorphic dog being Pan raises all sorts of bestiality questions that Mystery Inc would much rather leave unresolved.
Nobody said anything about bestiality, what?
Okay but if it can talk and communicate consent then who gives a shit
Harkness test, yep.
It's actually quite simple, as they pass the Harkness test
Um ackshully...He's a dog alien hybriiiid?
Shag's gonna shag
I thought Scrappy Doo came from Velma and Scooby?
What the fuck
He's Scooby's cousin
*Nephew
RIP Scrappy... 🙏 He was found dead in Miami 😔
Does tons of shagging, even if he only uses 1% of his rizz
Now you'll learn why they call him shaggy
It's very close to a Love Pentagram in that last pic.
... oh no, Hot Dog Water.
Genuine question: when and why did people start claiming Velma was a lesbian/lesbian coded? I get the poly part, but I’ve seen a lot of people argue that Velma has been lesbian for a long time. The earliest I can think of her being lesbian was with Marcie? Hot Dog Water. Which was Mystery Inc.
My best guess is that she doesn't really dress or act for the male gaze, with her bulkier clothing and librarian aesthetic. Compare that to Daphne's style and demeanor, which is very femme/flirty.
If there wasn't Daphne to act as a foil, I think the lesbian angle wouldn't be as pronounced.
God forbid women dress for themselves
Okay I'm not well versed in Scooby Doo lore but doesn't Daphne also dress for herself? Idk she just has the vibe of someone who genuinely enjoys dressing fem
Clearly, if we do, we MUST be queer! 🤪
No, if you're not dressing for men then you MUST be dressing for women, duh
(I really hope I don't need a /s here)
"Duh" is basically synonymous with /s anyway.
You can never tell these days, I swear media literacy is at an all time low
It's just literacy in general
Fair point
Slash-s-less sarcasm is fun and games until some media-illiterate moron think you're one of them. And SOMEONE taught all the media-illiterate morons to use a computer.
Or rather gave them all access to cheap tablet with direct links to the most sensational and untrustworthy "news" out there. And this internet is the result. We should never have left the dialup age.
I mean, there is so little out lesbian representation in media even now that queer coded characters that fit a certain bill are claimed as a kind of representation that otherwise doesn't exist at all. Only very recently have we actually seen cartoons with confirmed out gay people in them.
Oh I don't disagree with that at all. There's also nothing wrong with headcannoning a cartoon character with no confirmed sexuality as lesbian if you identify with them and think they're queer coded! Especially with so little lesbian rep around.
I just think it's funny that one of the main reasons given for her "being a lesbian" is.... that she doesn't dress for the male gaze.
Like, "woowee, time to go find a fellow woman to date because I dress for myself!" LOL
Agreed lol
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I think the actual reason was a recent Scooby movie where velma was falling for a girl monster costume designer.
Oh it started waaaaay before that, that movie was just the first time it’s actually been canon
They tried to do it in the first live action movie and then in Mystery Inc., but they weren't allowed either time.
And yet she is incredibly popular in... certain art forms. More so than Daphne, it seems.
Fight it. Run from it. The male gaze arrives all the same.
My brain only looked at the lbian of Librarian and thought it said Lesbian Aesthetic
Eh, I'm a man and I've always found Velma to be way more aesthetically interesting than Daphne and her "conventionally beautiful" look.
This feels a little too arbitrary.
I'm not sure if she liked Shaggy in the original but she was thirsting over Jonny Bravo in that crossover
Wasn't she into Sam in the Supernatural episode?
Oh yeah I think she was
That’s not a fair comparison, because everyone is next to Jared Padalecki
Velma's design and infact all the designs of the Scooby Gang were based on the lead characters of the 1950's show "The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis." Specifically she was based on Zelda Gilroy, a popular character who even had her own spinoff planned. It was canceled after the pilot after Zelda's actress Sheila Kuehl was outed as a lesbian.
Between this well known at the time cultural association between Velma and the Actress who inspired her, her non traditionally feminine outfit/demeanor, and the fact Velma was consistently the character least likely to be paired off romantically with anyone. (Fred/Daphne, Shaggy/whatever generic love interest of the week, Scooby/Scooby snacks), there's been speculation and jokes that she's been gay for decades.
I think people deliberately ignore every time Velma gets paired off with or expresses interest in a guy though, cuz it happens a fair bit
I won't ignore that, and I agree that bisexual erasure is a serious problem in media analysis. However an issue that arises with legacy characters like the Scooby gang is that finding anything "definitive" about them outside of their base character traits is difficult to impossible. For any character handled by this many different writers in this many different continuities, obviously characterization will never be consistent.
Shaggy was originally written to be a vegetarian at the behest of the original voice actor. While certain continuities and adaptations incorporates this character trait, many others do not. Does the fact that Shaggy is seen joyfully eating red meat in one adaptation mean he cheats on his diet in all others? Of course not. It just means that character trait isn't universal. It depends on the writer.
In Scooby Doo Mystery incorporated, and the original draft of the James gun movie Velma was written to be Lesbian. In other adaptations like the Johnny Bravo crossover she had the eyes for our favorite blonde Elvis impersonator. Neither of these necessarily contradict with eachother nor "definitely" prove anything about her sexuality. It's just that the character trait of her sexuality is not universal. It depends on the writer.
I agree, I just find it a bit irksome when people treat it like it's universal, or even should be.
I think this is mainly just people being defensive about any gay representation they can get. Velma is most prominently seen as a lesbian and so lesbians, myself included, far prefer seeing her as a lesbian. To a lot of people it actually ends up coming off as lesbian erasure when she's not portrayed as a lesbian. Really I think this has a lot to do with how writing a female character as being into men is widely a default that a lot of female characters who are later made lesbians have history with men. It's a lot easier to just say any instance of her liking men is outdated when the lesbian angle has inserted itself a lot into Velma's specific history.
I'm looking at this as someone who is like, obsessed with this franchise. Like, I've seen almost every episode of almost every series. Multiple times. I love seeing these characters evolve in different ways, and I think it's good that they change over time and across different continuities (though I definitely have my preferences).
I actually really, really like the idea of Velma being sapphic! Whether that be bi, lesbian, what have you. I dislike completely writing off any other interpretation though, including things that have been canon. There have been some really lovely character dynamics throughout the decades, and I think ignoring them entirely is unfortunate.
And honestly? I don't like the two biggest pieces of Scooby media I've seen referenced for the lesbian Velma head canon (that I've seen, disregarding the more recent movie where she openly has a crush on another girl, I haven't seen that one), namely the James Gunn movie and the Mystery Incorporated series.
One of my many issues with the James Gunn movie is that it just feels mean spirited, and I don't think the representation of Velma as gay would've been any good just based off of genre alone. I don't have much faith it wouldn't have just been a joke or played towards a straight male gaze. And I really hate Velma in Mystery Incorporated. She's an outright abusive girlfriend in the relationship we see her in, and she's generally quite mean to the people around her, including her friends. I'm not partial to the mean lesbian trope.
I'm also weirded out by how many people I've seen that seem to only think of Velma being gay because she's less conventionally attractive and a bit quirkier than Daphne. It doesn't ruin the head canon for me, but I definitely think some people need to reflect on how they view women, different presentations of femininity, and sexuality. I honestly think you could build a nice case for Daphne being sapphic, but that only seems to come up cuz she's the woman in closest proximity to Velma, less so on her own merits so to speak. I dunno, I just dislike how based in stereotype it feels at times? And I hate the idea of lesbian Velma just being the butt of a joke or a deeply mean spirited character.
Sorry for the long rant, I love these characters, and I love this franchise, and I'd like sapphic Velma to be well written and enjoyable to watch, and I'd like there to be multiple valid interpretations of the characters without arguing or needless infighting.
wasn't velma paired off with shaggy?
there's been a few more situations hinting at it across iterations. i remember a while ago there was a whole thing about another female character in a show (or movie? i cannot for the life of me remember which one it was) basically kinda flirting with her and velma being head over heels for her. i don't have the time to look rn but maybe i'll come back in a few hours and look for it, all i remember is that it wasn't mystery inc it was another probably more recent thing
You talking about hot dog water?
I think I know what you’re taking about. Black woman, long, pale hair? Definitely more recent than SDMI
Do you mean Trick or Treat Scooby-Doo? She was smitten with Coco Diablo.
YESSS coco diablo! it's been so long since i last saw someone mention her that i couldn't for the life of me remember her name
Remember that one live action scooby doo movie? yeah she was gay there already
James Gunn has confirmed that they wanted to do an entire scene with Velma in that movie where she kisses Daphne but the studio shut it down. That and they tried to sneak in a bunch of weed jokes with shaggy and scoob that got cut as well.
Glad to see they a couple still made it in, like his love interest was Mary Jane and he goes “wow thats like my favorite name!” And when he’s first introduced after the time skip, smoke is coming out the van but then it’s revealed that he was just cooking hehe
my hatred of studio executives grows ever stronger
The James Gunn one?
I’m not saying that was one of them, but I really hated a lot of what he did. The weed jokes were obnoxious imo, and I hate what he did to Scrappy. He took a character hated primarily due to meta reasons and nostalgia and wrote him to be as hateable of a character as possible with the intent of forever ruining the character. And it fucking worked. I hate Gunn so much for that.
It's been a popular headcanon among fans of the show since the 60s. Her shorter haircut, more androgynous style of dress, and lack of a defined partner (as opposed to Fred and Daphne, and Scooby and Shaggy) led to fans headcanoning her as gay.
It makes more sense with the context of 60s/70s fandom culture. It's been gay for as long as its been a thing.
The original script for the live action movie had her as a lesbian according to James Gunn who wrote it (source).
There was something about the James Gunn live action movies too, but I can’t remember it exactly and I haven’t seen those movies in years.
I mean I started shipping her with Daphne since I saw that zombie island movie as a kid
My best guess is the live action Velma caused a lot of lesbian awakenings and when said lesbians got jobs in the entertainment industry they decided to make what they felt in their hearts true canon, impressive actually,
I'm not sure if she liked Shaggy in the original but she was thirsting over Jonny Bravo in that crossover
She was originally written to be a lesbian in the James Gunn movies when they were Tate’s R, then that had to be taken out when the rating went down to PG13
Holy shit, R-rated Scooby Doo would be wild.
I'd watch it
It’s actually been a thing since the OG cartoon, just less pronounced for obvious reasons.
How?
The character of velma is based on an actress whose career was thrown off by being outed as lesbian.
It’s not a super serious thing, more like a subtle nod that’s been expanded upon in modern times.
Supposedly she was gonna be a lesbian in the live action films but the studio forced the director to keep her straight
Well that was like 10 years ago so I’m assuming then? I think a concrete idea of Velma being queer was kinda unheard of before that, mostly confined to people just headcannoning her
Because she made me feel gay (and cracked my egg a little)
It's always annoyed me because it's the classic "she doesn't look conventionally attractive and she likes nerd things, she must be a lesbian" thing.
That, and she's canonically not. It just has this really gross energy.
iirc one of the creators of mystery Inc directly confirmed she was lesbian in that series.
I’m sorry, but you keep saying cis. Did you mean het?
My autistic brother used to say strange fragmented sentences, and one of them was "Shaggy Daphne, Velma Johnny Bravo".
I've caught him watching Shaggy and Daphne romantic edits on YouTube, so I assume he shipped them. Velma and Johnny Bravo are basically canon, but what interests me is the implications for Fred. He never mentioned him, which leads me to believe my brother kinda didn't like Freddy.
Peak 1960s teen/young adult behavior right here, I wouldn’t have it any other way
they all look ready to fuck except scooby who looks like he's playing DDR having a heck of a time
Fred and Daphne got Shagged™
Loving the possibility that Daphne and Shaggy don't get along.
Those friends in the friend group who don't really like each other, but have sex anyway and are "friends" because the friend group gets along?
...yeah, that tracks, honestly.
NOT MY REAL OPINION, SIMPLY SAID FOR THE BIT
Scooby Doo passes the Harkness test, therefore it's either ace rep (based) or prudish cowardice that he doesn't fuck anyone on any of the charts. All he has to do is say "I rorcent to rhis rexual rirteraction rith you Raggy" and show his doguments to prove he's of age.
Well yes but there still needs to be attraction on the other side. If none of the gang are zoophiles, they won't be attracted to him in that way.
Unwillingness to depict Fred as at least a little bit curious about Scooby-Dick is exactly the prudish cowardice I was talking about. AGAIN, NOT MY REAL OPINION, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW MUCH I DON'T CONDONE HAVING SEX WITH DOGS
I need to take a walk after reading this
... who are you taking on that walk with you tho?
But Scooby has the intelligence of a human. Zoophilia is wrong because animals can’t consent, but Scooby can. Anyways, all this to say I’d fuck Goofy
Goofy's bipedal and clearly a different species from a regular dog. It's less controversial to say that you would fuck a furry DILF than it is to say that you're down to get nasty with a talking Great Dane.
Counterpoint, if you claim you wouldn't do it nasty with Bambi's dad you're a liar and a fool.
I dunno I wouldn’t say no to Mufasa from the Lion King either
....oh no, the discourse has escaped the furry fandom
That's what they're also saying, but the zoo/feral/furry terminology is absolutely fucking useless and every word has 10 billion different meanings.
"NOT MY REAL OPINION" as in "It's not the same in real life" I presume.
This is why I still use Reddit
Ah yes his important Beagle doguments that confirm his age in dog years.
100% agree unironically
Therefore there is no definitive answer to the great Scooby-Doo dilemma.
The fact the second is a pentagram is fucking perfect
According to my sister, who has thought long and hard about this subject: Shaggy and Velma has a romantic relationship, but not a sexual one, and Shaggy and Daphne has a platonic relationship.
I trust her expertise over some tumblr post.
Not so sure about the new stuff i.e (Mystery Inc and beyond) but in the older cartoons Velma definitely ended up liking Shaggy romantically and Shaggy was usually too stupid to understand Velma's obvious hints that she liked him but I remember one episode where Velma got captured or something and Shaggy was in a lot of distress over it which seemed to imply that he felt the same even if he didn't always express it.
Also iirc in the live action movie it was implied Shaggy and Velma were a thing no?
The first live action movie implied Velma was a lesbian, in the second she gets a crush on some nerdy guy, but it doesn't go anywhere. As for Velma and Shaggy Velma does tell Shaggy that she admires how unafraid he is of being himself in the second one, it's a great scene, it's a pretty good movie, but I wouldn't really call it romantic in any way.
Apparently it was indeed a thing and it blew my mind when I learned about it. Here's a wiki page that mentions it.)
Yeah, I know, mystery inc was great... though I wasn't a fan of this plotline.
Not so sure about the new stuff i.e (Mystery Inc and beyond) but in the older cartoons Velma definitely ended up liking Shaggy romantically and Shaggy was usually too stupid to understand Velma's obvious hints that she liked him but I remember one episode where Velma got captured or something and Shaggy was in a lot of distress over it which seemed to imply that he felt the same even if he didn't always express it. Also iirc in the live action movie it was implied Shaggy and Velma were a thing no?
In anycase I think based on representations of the character i've seen Velma is straight or bisexual but I think i've only ever seen her as lesbian in the (shitty) Velma show.
I have never been more scared to scroll to the third image
Isnt velma bi?
“Thank you for not putting Daphne and Velma as fucking Scooby. I know that took restraint”
They're a bunch of weirdos living together in a van, shipping them all with each other is the only obvious choice. The thing I now want as a fanfic is them all arguing about how bad including Scooby is, given he can talk and thus passes the Harkness test.
Shagging and Rogering
Oh how we forget the 4 quadrant so easily. ♠️♥️♦️♣️
I honestly always headcanoned Velma as bi. I did this before I realised I was bi so it may have been a bit of projecting but I swear she usually gives off bi vibes
shaggy and scoob are in a QPR
Wait, do I misremember something, or did Shaggy and Velma used to be a thing in some show?
iirc they were together in mystery inc
Didnt Shaggy and Velma date in the mystery inc. universe
This whole joke got its very last drop of fun squeezed out of it in this community at this point.
I was waiting for the version that had a red or pink line going to Scoob and worrying who would be on the other end
I can't believe I'm doing this, but my head canon is that Fred is AroAce. This throws this entire chart out of alignment.
I'm a pretty casual Scooby Doo fan, so I genuinely wanna know: when did Daphne and Shaggy have a relationship outside friendship in the franchise?
Shaggy got that line cook energy.
NORVILLE???
Shaggy is obviously aromantic
This is the only polycule I will accept for the mystery gang because it's the only one with an ounce of thought put into it.
It’s impossible for people to just be a group of friends anymore huh.
Why can’t they just be friends????? Work relationships are never a good idea we need the gang at peak efficiency or else we won’t be able to solve all these mysteries
They manage
Literally so close to making a pentagram and they passed on the opportunity?!
He’s shagged them all.
I love how the only non-friend or true romance relationship is shaggy and Daphne, who just have casual sex when Fred isnt up to it.
I think It is important to point out that Velma was 14 in the show.
Isn’t it canon that daphne got the gang together? This actually answers why she knows such an eclectic group of people
Sometimes I see garbage posted to this subreddit that really makes me grateful that my tumblr dashboard doesn't have shit like this on it
you could represent the different types of relationships with different card suits maybe ? yk cuz hearts are already there , they could be used for romantic attraction
You can’t convince me that Fred isn’t just closeted gay anyways
It's a love pentagram now
Most unreliable Wiki article I've ever seen, left out his nickname from the terrible PS1 game and direct to DVD/cable movie Scooby Doo: Cyberchase: Super Shag and Super Shaggy. Crazy name to leave out ngl
Didn't Velma fuck Scooby at one point? Or am I severely misremembering an episode
Scooby? As in the dog??? I fucken hope not
I don’t ship it because it’s cringe. Stop making fictional friend groups fuck each other.
I’m sorry, are you implying that they’re fucking Scooby?
Scooby would never. He’s an adult dog, while his human companions are teens (in most iterations)
He would, however, court an ordinary dog incapable of human speech.
What is one to do when the difference in sentience between yourself and another of your species, is your personal alien ancestry. I firmly believe Scooby-Doo is well within his rights to engage in shagging of any species
They're adults, like college freshmen age but still adults
Please, close reddit, step outside, breathe the fresh air, look at the beautiful blue sky, and touch some green grass.
Dude, they were referencing the common joke that white women fuck dogs(a joke that exists because there was a growing trend of it happening, which thankfully stopped as far as I’m aware).
Please, close reddit, step outside, breathe the fresh air, look at the beautiful blue sky, and touch some green grass.
I live on a farm, I do that a lot.
Just as an FYI, that was never a "growing trend", that was a bunch of incels attacking women.
I, personally, saw several posts made by women(and men, but more women than men) claiming to be “zoo-sexuals” and trying to normalize zoophilia, so…
I've seen and heard of WAY more men who were "zoo-sexuals" or whatever. I unintentionally knew a man who considered himiself a "zoosexual" (who I no longer know thankfully).
On the other hand, I've never met any women who were like that nor have I seen any large number of women saying such. I've seen a lot of incels who capitalized on the few women who had said that online to back up their own insane ideology.
Huh… I, thankfully, have never met any “zoo-sexuals” IRL. I also don’t use twitter, aside from browsing the accounts of artists that I like, so the only posts I’ve seen are ones that got screen-shotted and shared on different sites. As such, I’ve seen more of the “zoo-sexual” posts that were made by women than the ones that were made by men, and thought that there were more women going by that label than men. Thanks for clearing up that misconception.
Of course. Glad I could help :)
People dating fred call him freddie
Shaggy calls fred freddie
That is all