We're like magnets, we just find each other

A lot of people pronounce the s in Eloise with a z sound, so I can see how they'd feel too similar

It's George

I'm looking at this as someone who is like, obsessed with this franchise. Like, I've seen almost every episode of almost every series. Multiple times. I love seeing these characters evolve in different ways, and I think it's good that they change over time and across different continuities (though I definitely have my preferences).

I actually really, really like the idea of Velma being sapphic! Whether that be bi, lesbian, what have you. I dislike completely writing off any other interpretation though, including things that have been canon. There have been some really lovely character dynamics throughout the decades, and I think ignoring them entirely is unfortunate.

And honestly? I don't like the two biggest pieces of Scooby media I've seen referenced for the lesbian Velma head canon (that I've seen, disregarding the more recent movie where she openly has a crush on another girl, I haven't seen that one), namely the James Gunn movie and the Mystery Incorporated series.

One of my many issues with the James Gunn movie is that it just feels mean spirited, and I don't think the representation of Velma as gay would've been any good just based off of genre alone. I don't have much faith it wouldn't have just been a joke or played towards a straight male gaze. And I really hate Velma in Mystery Incorporated. She's an outright abusive girlfriend in the relationship we see her in, and she's generally quite mean to the people around her, including her friends. I'm not partial to the mean lesbian trope.

I'm also weirded out by how many people I've seen that seem to only think of Velma being gay because she's less conventionally attractive and a bit quirkier than Daphne. It doesn't ruin the head canon for me, but I definitely think some people need to reflect on how they view women, different presentations of femininity, and sexuality. I honestly think you could build a nice case for Daphne being sapphic, but that only seems to come up cuz she's the woman in closest proximity to Velma, less so on her own merits so to speak. I dunno, I just dislike how based in stereotype it feels at times? And I hate the idea of lesbian Velma just being the butt of a joke or a deeply mean spirited character.

Sorry for the long rant, I love these characters, and I love this franchise, and I'd like sapphic Velma to be well written and enjoyable to watch, and I'd like there to be multiple valid interpretations of the characters without arguing or needless infighting.

They could also just like how Flower sounds more than specific flowers

I agree, I just find it a bit irksome when people treat it like it's universal, or even should be.

I think people deliberately ignore every time Velma gets paired off with or expresses interest in a guy though, cuz it happens a fair bit

I suppose I would just consider acting+identifying as feminine as part of presentation?

I was 100% with them until "don't dress or present femme" Genuinely not trying to be mean, I'm just confused. Isn't that what defines being femme? Like, regardless of anything else, isn't the attempt to present femme what makes someone femme?

I'd imagine this could be adjusted for a group without too many issues, but I cannot fathom why a voice actor (or anyone else not involved in the initial idea formation and leading the story direction/character design) would have ownership of a work or character? Honestly, it'd probably be similar to how directors and writing teams are already generally credited for their creations, just with copyright actually going to them instead of the company publishing it. Deals would probably vary on a case by case basis, meeting even depending on just how involved a person really was, and I highly doubt it'd be perfect. The biggest difference would be that it'd come down to personal drama between artists instead of corporate trading and monopolizing.

That's the book that got me into it!

Oh good, I'm not the only one who read this as a metaphor for those types of people.

Harvey, Clint, Marlon, and Sam

I mean, Kim is definitely not a virgin. I get the meme, but she is most definitely not a virgin.

I might be getting into semantics here, but I think trying to form a "clear" history is inherently I misguided.

Personally, I think anything beyond "this is what we have evidence for, here's the historical context we have, here are the various possibilities/conclusions we have based off that information, but it's hard to say anything conclusively" is grossly irresponsible (that goes for basically everything in history that wasn't recorded by reliable sources, or can't be proven with extant physical evidence).

We will never get a truly "clear" history of the majority of historical figures and cultures, especially as you go further back in time and further into groups of people that weren't well recorded for various reasons. That's not to say gay or trans people didn't exist before Stonewall, or that LGBTQ+ history shouldn't be further researched and considered, just that people should not expect clarity or try to portray things as less ambiguous than they are. More research is necessary, and some things are just doomed to ambiguity.

That's just the fey

The petty bullying is indeed rooted in folklore used to justify old prejudices

It does not

That is objectively the best ship I think

Ginny is a perfectly acceptable real name though

I'm pretty sure someone just completely made that up, or made a very broad assumption based off of their own niche experiences.

Sam mentions that he used to live in the city, which tells me that he moved out, but moved back, probably to help his mom with Vincent since his dad's away, and I'd assume his Joja income is contributing to the household. I think Jodi is just really high strung and babies him, so he comes off younger in any interactions with her.

Where did you hear that???

Why does that face remind me of Danny Gonzales

That makes sense, I did not read correctly and missed that it was in a store