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Just like how the local mob has a "schizo moment" when they offer to protect a store for a price, and when the offer is denied they trash up the place.
I hate that he’s going to almost certainly be the Republican nominee. The man’s going to hire an entire new wing of White House physicians to help him find more sides of his mouth to talk out of.
That’s basically par for the course, in terms of statements he’s all over the place. I don’t think he cares about policy but if he does he doesn’t care about consistently communicating it.
Offered him a pardon if he said Russia had nothing to do with it
Claimed he didn't know who Assange was
Trump and Assange is the political version of The Rock and eating at In-N-Out for the "first time". For those out of the loop - The Rock has like 3 or 4 social media posts claiming it's his first time ever eating at In-N-Out.
Except that Assange is basically a lib centre unity wet dream, he's leaking war crimes from an authoritarian government, one that's fairly conservative.
Reddit Watermelons are big mad at this. Go look at any mainstream news sub and everyone’s seething over this saying he’s a PoS Russian Agent or some BS
I mean it's a pretty solidly general consensus that ANY run of the mill neoliberal is in the authright quadrant if not only a bit. Weather or not they identify as "democrat" or "republican" dosent shift that.
Back in like 2010-2011 or whenever it was that Wikileaks had its first major info drop those same people were creaming their pants at him because they thought this would finally be the info they could use to drag W before The Hague and have him tried for war crimes.
I still think it's a tragedy that he was basically locked in an embassy for years and basically served 62 months (or 64 months, lost count) and had to plead guilty to a felony in order to even out the count...
No, you may have missed it because everyone loved assange pre-2016, but during the clinton/trump election cycle he released info on Clinton and the mainstream turned on him and labeled him a russian asset
I mean, I'm an Assange fan but he definitely was utilized by a Russian intelligence. I think it's a difficult position organizations like WikiLeaks are in, they want to democratize information, but the world governments out there are going to keep playing the game and they're going to use NGOs if they can. It's the same with Snowden, I'm glad he came out and told the truth, even if we kinda already knew, but there's no doubt it played to the advantage of foreign counterintelligence agencies.
Putin has long had problems with Clinton, he believes she played a role in protests against him among Russians while she was in the state department, which could very well be true. The origin of the Democrat emails WikiLeaks put out was Russian intelligence.
ah okay i thought you had something else in mind. but yes, that is why the left suddenly turned on him and why they are foaming at the mouth in leftwing subreddits at his release -- he dared to leak information that was given to him by russia. the media then labelled him a russian asset, as if he had some responsibility not to release damning information about someone who may become the leader of the free world
I don't feel that way at all. Hillary deserved all the scrutiny in the world, that's how elections are supposed to work, at least in theory. I just think we should try and grasp situations fully, and not underestimate the extent to which things are still being shaped by the powerful. I think there's been a long standing tech optimism, a belief in the internet as a democratizing and levelling force. And it can function that way, but it's not reshaped the status quo to anywhere near the extent people were predicting back in the early 90s.
I definitely agree with your overall point that its best to grasp situations fully and try to analyze what people are shaping what things. But one type of reactionary thinking i see a lot on the right and that I tend to push back on is "the government/such and such group are bad actors and they want X, that must mean we should actively want not X." And for a leaker, you're probably going to get a lot of bad or questionable actors supplying you and so I don't think "but a bad person gave you that leak" is a valid criticism. Is the leak true or false and is it relevant to the topic at hand I think are the most important things. But I do agree with your overall point and think you're coming about it from the correct angle
I think people tend to think in dichotomies, so you do end up in the situation you describe where things get rejected wholesale because of association. Plus there's the endless realpolitik of tribalism.
Do you think Russia doesn’t have similar information about Trump? Information it’s not releasing to be leaked because they prefer when Trump is in power?
Agreed. to help your argument, consider the following
So is [insert social media website of choice] utilized by Russia?
or is it a Russian Asset?
Replace that again with the next type of opportunistically used person/place/thing, and you can see how easy it is for media / propoganda to twist words or cause its audiences to generate their own conclusions by deliberately misleading them
Yeah but his biggest story is the Twitter files, weird how everyone is bringing up his old stuff when he says himself the Twitter files is his biggest story
This is so easily disproven just by the fact that Hillary was being called a warmonger by the right in 2016 for wanting a no fly zone over the Pacific. Y’all were saying she’d start WWIII against Putin. Complete bullshit
At which congress of the Democratic Party was the course towards large-scale socialization of the economy, its transfer to socialist rails, announced? When was the course to eradicate idealistic thought announced? The course to build a Soviet democracy? Why haven't I heard about Glorious Joe Biden Thought?
Maybe because Democrats are the same liberals as Republicans, but gayer, more “racially concerned” and less stingy when it comes to social security?
What planet do you live on? If the three stooges were all dropped on their heads as children they'd still need 5 lifetimes to say something half that dumb.
Just ask anybody living outside the US.
You are an idiot if you think that liberals and democrats are left-wing, everywhere on this planet they are center in the best case and in the worst cases they are 100% center-right.
I know you will now rant on how only the US matter or how you were not talking in general but only about the US.
"Ask other countries how American politics work" I don't care how if swedistan thinks im far right for not wanting socialization, thats a moderate position.
"think that asking ironically if both democrats and republicans are auth right means asking how american politics works"
How much of an idiot can you be?
Assange exposed lib right and lib left while the auth right wanted him executed, the only ones that doesn't have anything against him are auth left, mostly because they don't exists in the countries where Assange operated.
so sorry to hear of his sudden suicide, he was finally free, things were finally looking up for him, just a shame his gun malfunctioned and shot him 3 times in the back of the head before he fell out of a 10 story window onto a car that had "It's Her Turn" spray painted on the hood, a shocking turn of events really
Trump administration had him arrested, he was freed under a Democrat DOJ
Its also worth mentioning that your suicide scenario is how Russia who MAGA loves lately handles political dissidents and Trump openly advocated for his execution
Assange has already released harmful information on Democrats, he was targeted by Trump's adminstartion (he wanted him executed) and he's going free under a Democrat administration
I don't think he can walk out of his current deal, even if the US pardoned him, Russia wouldn't let him leave by any means other than a very high window.
The U.S. government literally revoked his passport stranding him in Russia on his layover flight. He never wanted to live in Russia, he never was a Russian asset, he never liked the Russian government, he only tried making due with his shit situation.
Yeah, nobody in the white house over the last 15 years did right by him. Cringe to see Biden drones spiking the football when he and his boss had plenty of time to act and didn't.
I mean, good that it's finally done, but nobody gets to celebrate.
The DOJ was fully under Biden's control during the Trump trial though. Are we switching to now saying they're completely independent of him? Didn't get the latest NPC update.
im glad it finally happened, but its been so long, and was such a travesty in the first place, its hard to feel that good about the situation when looking at it as a whole.
"im glad it finally happened, but its been so long, and was such a travesty in the first place, its hard to feel that good about the situation when looking at it as a whole."
It's horrifying to know that a whistle blower was pursued so relentlessly, for so many years.
Nobody has 'won'.
Yes Assange was contained for many years, but who does that help anything - other than govts. who will do everything in their power to ensure that the public never finds out the truth about things they don't want revealed?.....
Only the most brain damaged Internet edgelords think this dude is a hero. He sent hundreds of dissidents and anti-Taliban informant for their death to fuel his ego, and was utterly unremorseful about it. With that kind of attitude, it is not surprising at all for him to be a rapist.
Except he didn't. Especially considering the documents you're referring to wasn't even released by WL directly but by The Guardian who went over and redacted as needed. And investigators outright admit that they've found nothing to suggest any assets were compromised as a result of the leaks...
It’s so funny when you guys try to trot that out when he is on record saying he actively does not give a fuck what happened to the people he exposed. Even your boy believes he did it.
That he doesn't care, wouldn't change that he didn't do that. You're also twisting his words quite strangely because that's quite far from what he actually said and only some very VERY fringe media tried to paint what he said that way. What he said is that the public's right to know weigh heavier, not that he doesn't care if anyone gets hurt... You're also overestimating the importance of Assange to the whole of Wikileaks. You DO realize that he's just a spokesperson right and hasn't been involved in the actual operations of Wikileaks since several years prior right? And my boy? Who do you even think that is? And in what country? I hold three different citizenships and vote in all three. In the last election for each, none of my candidates were male... Gloria La Riva, Magdalena Andersson, and 福島 瑞穂
You’re in a cult that worships an egomaniac who killed people score points. I literally do not care what you’ve been fed and are trying to regurgitate.
Why is Auth right sneeding? I thought Assange did the 2016 DNC leak?