www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2024/05/16/census-bureau-report-detroit-population-increases/73701788007/
Detroit is a vibrant and growing city again'; the population grows for first time since 1957
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Normally I’d probably whine about the simulation, but I think we can let this one play out lol
Wow. That’s spooky.
Would have been nice to have the Lions UVM sweep…
I grew up away and only knew of Detroit as murders, crime and urban decay. Then, back in 2017, I had the opportunity to spend a few days there and found a young, active city busily recreating itself, that caught me by surprise. So, good for Detroit.
That's the problem with society and media exaggerating things and not adding context. You'd think it was like a warzone when it was never like that. Even Flint at its worst wasn't like that
Back in the 90s a friend and I had traveled up to Newfoundland. We met a lot of people who had never met an American as Americans rarely ever go there other than to St. John. We were cruising up its western arm.
People were friendly enough but always guarded and we coudln't figure out why. One evening we're sitting in the only? restaurant in Rocky Harbor the TV was on, the news was satellited in from Windsor. Well, National news is only part of the broadcast and local news is the rest and local to Windsor... is Detroit. So, crime, grime, riots, the whole thing. And, since these people had no other access to American TV they made the assumption that Detroit was representative of the entire US of A.
However, we had Connecticut plates on the truck and virtually everyone we met had a relative, they'd never met and several generations back, who was from Connecticut so that was calming for them. Still, did we have guns? Were two middle aged white guys going to rob them? Let's turn on the news from Windsor and see.
In many respects, the city was better in the bad old days than it is now, which makes the changing reputation even more weird.
The only reason I don't like spending time in Detroit is that it's far. I'm on the west side of the state lol.
I am too. And it's about three hours for me. There are things I've love to do there but it's too far for a day-trip.
I've made a day trip of it once, but it required leaving home at 5AM and only spending 4 or 5 hours in the city before turning right around to get back home before dark. Never fucking doing that again.
I used to live near a BIG CITY:
Weekends are better and better timing (around rush hour traffic) is essential. But if you pull into Detroit around 10AM and stay until 7PM you won't have traffic issues coming or going. and the drive down I94 is easy.
But, I hear ya.
With that said, I did drive 3-and a half-hours down into Indiana for the eclipse and that lasted only 3 minutes and 54 seconds. And then back again.
Been in a few times for conventions, it's actually pretty nice, like all cities it has its good and bad areas.
Detroit has done a LOT of good lately. It's seriously not as bad as it once was. My gf and I love going to Detroit for a day sometimes.
I hope they start doing good where the non-whites live. Let’s start with street lights.
The Detroit metropolitan area, also known as Metro Detroit, has an estimated population of 4,392,041 as of 2022. This makes it the 14th largest metro area in the United States, and the second-largest in the Midwest after Chicago.
The article states the population grew from 631,366 in 2022 to 633,218 residents in 2023.
There's a lot of people in this part of Michigan.
Don’t tell that to this sub. You’d think any dollar spent in metro Detroit was robbed from the Upstanding Citizens of Up North
That's Michigan politics man. Republicans have been blaming Detroit and Flint when it rains in Kalkaska for 50+ years.
I remain convinced that the GOP having a say in things since the 80s is one of the reasons why decline hit us so hard.
And they won’t like hearing it, but without the Detroit area Michigan would be Iowa with water.
And a lot of money that most people don't know about.
What is the meaning of this cryptic comment?
I think this commenter is trying to say that most people associate Detroit and the metro area with crime, boarded up houses, and general blight. However, there are substantial amounts of people that live in the metro area, and many of those people/families are quite wealthy. Like, very wealthy.
Drive around Birmingham, and especially around Cranbrook or Beverly Hills, there are some very opulent homes. You will regularly see homes listed for $5m+. I was driving down Woodward in Royal Oak on Monday and passed a brand new lambo. Several months ago I parked next to a new Ferrari in mid town. While not too unusual for someone who live in the area, prior to moving to the area, I would have never thought there was that kind of money here.
More in Detroit proper…Brush Park, Boston Edison, Indian Village, Mid Town, and possible soon with all the recent development and recently announced DCFC relocation Corktown all have a high entry to live in (many $1.5m+ listings).
I remember when there were seven million people in Metro Detroit. More people then the rest of the state combined,
Detroit–Warren–Ann Arbor Combined including Genesee County(Flint) is 5,325,219/10,300,000.
Then I think the next biggest population hub is the Grand Rapids Metro with around 1 million or so.
I believe the rest of the State is pretty spread out.
Something interesting while looking at the numbers is that only 300,000 of the entire state population lives in the entire UP.
Yeah GR has been bumping a million for a long time.
And Marquette is the largest “city” at roughly 25,000
Lansing, Kzoo, and the tri cities all have not insignificant metros. Traverse metro actually growing quickly, too (>150k people).
Metro Detroit all together is about 6 million. It has never reached 7 million so I'm not sure where you got that number from.
Wrong
Sure pal
There’s never been seven million in metro Detroit. Its current population is about the biggest it’s ever been.
Population of the stat is ~10million. That's almost half, and I bet you most of the other half lives in Lansing and Grand Rapids. Northerners are a proud people but there's hardly any of us compared to down state.
1 million in the Grand Rapids Metro.
Lansing Metropolitan is 541,000.
I believe there are a few other population centers, but everyone is pretty spread out.
We’re all Michiganders :)
We can have all the big cities, but they can call us trolls and eat pasties with ketchup.
Of course the detroit metro area is the largest metro area in the country land mass wise.
Edit: cmon people use your head. Of course it's the biggest. Texas is a bunch of fucking liars. They include shit that's an hour away in every direction for no good reason. By their logic Toledo to Ann Arbor to St. Clair and Walled Lake is all metro Detroit. Hell we might aswell get Windsor in there.
That’s not true
Name a bigger metro area.
L.A., Atlanta, Boston, Dallas-Ft. Worth, Miami-Dade, Chicago, Philly...
Well that may be true, but name 5 more!
Here's a list from the Census: https://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/026/508.php
You can't sort by land area, but it's listed. Detroit/Warren/Livonia Metro is one of the smallest of the top 20 population areas at 3,888 sq miles.
Phoenix's is 14,566 and San Bernardino is 27,263 as the two largest.
Just zoom out. People drive to Detroit from ann arbor, Windsor, Toledo, south Lyon. They should all.be part of the metro area by the definition of what a metro area is.
You people would think a turd were chocolate if the label said so
You can't zoom out on any of the other listed ones?
I think the listed 27k of San Bernardino is ridiculous to consider something a metro area. The diameter of that area if it's a circle is 186 miles. Gotta be pushing 200+ at the longest point since it's not a perfect circle and roads aren't always direct. But I don't really have experience with other metro areas other than Detroit. And by the definition the census uses, metro Detroit isn't close to the biggest.
Detroiter in the IE (what the San Bernardino metro is called) here and here's why: the "metro area" consists of two counties- one that is similar in land area to Ohio and one larger in land area than Maryland. It's mostly rural and the population is heavily concentrated in the southwest corner. It's just an extension of LA sprawl. The US Census Bureau defines metro areas with counties and out here counties are gigantic. Even LA County can be rural. It doesn't always make sense.
Damn I didn’t realize how large San Bernardino County is. That’s fuckin crazy! I assume that’s the one that is similar in area to Ohio?
You got it! It can take five hours to drive end-to-end in SB County (LA County line to Nevada state line). It's massive, but a pretty drive though.
I'm like 99% sure that's not true
Wow, this isn’t true at all. The U.S. Census Bureau defined Metropolitan Statistical Area for Anchorage includes the Municipality of Anchorage and the Matanuska-Susitna Borough. It covers 27,205 square miles, bigger than the state of West Virginia.
I think Houston and Jacksonville city limits are bigger than metro Detroit
Also, Metropolitan Statistical Areas, defined by the Office of Management and Budget, only includes areas in the United States, so Detroit’s doesn’t include Windsor and other areas in Canada near Windsor.
This could be a huge win for other cities that have robust demolition programs for removing blighted housing, such as Flint, Pontiac, Saginaw, Muskegon, and Benton Harbor. If the Census Bureau is using flawed methodology, it should stand to reason that other urban centers should get revised population counts as well.
I’m rooting for Flint and Saginaw especially. Having ran the Crim in Flint I remember thinking how cool of a place it was. Pontiac would be a great central spot for so many reasons
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I worked in downtown Flint the summer of 1984, and it seemed much more vital (there was a buzz, Autoworld had just opened, etc etc) and then the next year they tore down two blocks of storefronts on the east side of South Saginaw Street, and the whole area felt so downtrodden thereafter :(
This is incredibly positive news
Moved to Detroit in early 2021 and could not imagine being anywhere else. This place is an absolute dream for a guy like me. You tell me where you can own a condo within walking distance of all 4 major American pro sports leagues. You can’t because the setup doesn’t exist anywhere else. And that’s just the most major aspect of detroit to me, there’s so much more I could go on and on and on about.
Tell me more. Because all I know about Detroit is the area with the sports stadiums and Casinos, and everything else looks a little sketchy to me.
I looove going downtown to eat - the number of amazing restaurants in Detroit is honestly staggering.
Love that for Detroit!
The population of the Detroit metro has always been crazy to me because...where is everybody? When I venture out there I feel like I only see boomers, teenagers/children, and married couples. Not often I'll see someone from Gen Z.
I genuinely feel bad for people, especially young professionals, who live outside Detroit city limits and outside AA-Ypsi because there's so much NOTHING out there. Just isolating suburban sprawl and corporate franchise dystopia for miles. I live by midtown currently and the quality of life is miles ahead of when I was living in Royal Oak in every way. I don't NEED a car (although it's nice) to get to anything within the midtown/downtown corridor, this includes concerts, my professional job, grocery shopping, bars, trips to a green space, and pretty much anything else you could think of.
If you're a young professional looking to move to Detroit. I'd HIGHLY recommend skipping the metro and moving somewhere close to midtown or downtown. If that's too far from your job and you need to live in the metro, then I'd only recommend Ferndale, Royal Oak, or Rochester, in that order. Don't even consider other places unless you wanna drive everywhere and love isolating suburban sprawl.
the area of detroit south of ferndale along livernois is poised to take off. kind of already is. a lot cheaper than ferndale as well.
Until you factor in the Detroit city income tax, higher property tax, and higher auto insurance. I'm not trying to dump on Detroit, as I love it. But there are a lot of hidden costs compared to Oakland County. When I figured it out, it was about $500 a month extra to pay all of these.
EDIT: This should have read "higher property insurance", rather than "higher property tax".
Seeing a hazel park resident complain about Detroit property taxes is hilarious, my friend.
Tbh it depends. I live in greenacres and when you factor in the low cost of housing and the NEZ on my home, I come out way ahead compared to southeast Oakland county, even when accounting for income taxes.
See my edit above. Higher property insurance is what I should have said. Either way, good for you.
But homes in Green Acres start at $220k now in Detroit (cheaper west of Livernois, but technically, that's "Garden Homes"). I paid $78k for my fixer upper in HP 6.5 years ago. I realize HP prices are higher now, but my original point still stands. I would not be ahead at the current pricing for Detroit.
I certainly agree you’re not likely to find many homes for less than 80k in a nice neighborhood - good for you! I was just trying to point out that it’s much more complicated than “Detroit has income tax so it’s always more expensive.” It really depends on your options and personal circumstances.
housing prices are insanely inflated even compared to 2-3 years ago. i live in garden homes and my house would easily be 250-300k in ferndale which is insane to say. instead of 150.
Yeah, I honestly have no idea how anyone affords a house anymore. I realize we lucked out. But we are also stuck for the foreseeable future. Like I said, I love Detroit. But I just don't see a move happening there, especially at current prices.
i know, i felt lucky to get in at 150! you could probably find something decent for cheaper, but then you’re likely compromising on neighborhood and i don’t think many are willing to do that.
Close to Ferndale Project!! One of my favorite Ferndale hangouts. I've driven up and down Detroit Livernois quite a few times, it's in an interesting case of revitalization since it's on the edge of the city rather than near downtown.
i would imagine the wealth east of livernois has a lot to do with it staying viable.
The Marshall-Battle Creek-Kalamazoo corridor isn't too bad. Lots of small businesses interspersed with the corporate franchises.
I love Kalamazoo! I'm actually from near Niles which is not too far south from there. I was talking about living in the Detroit Metro vs Detroit proper. The west side of the state is a whole different beast.
I’m a gen Z who’s in Farmington hills cuz I get free rent at my parents house 🥲
Stack that paper and enjoy the free rent! I recognize most of Gen Z are still college-aged or just now graduating high school for the youngest ones, so many might still be living at their parents house.
Moved to midtown last year, got to experience dally in the alley first thing, god what an amazing experience. I freaking love it here :)
I was so bummed out as a teenager and early 20 cause theres just not shit to do in the metro. Some of my best memories are just in empty parking lots or fields outside of grocery stores lol. Nearest bars were all old dive bars where the youngest people there are in their 30s and 40s most the time. And being 30 mins away from the city makes going to events hard cause you cant drink as much and weird logistics. Appearing queer in the metro is hard but at dally they had a lgbtq flag painted on their mural.
Im just happier here. You dont need to move across the country to find a city worth living in. Having lived in new york that was an amazing experience but I’m just happier here, I like this culture, all my friends are here, and theres a lot of joy to find in the urban areas of detroit
I grew up in Oakland County and if you didn't own a boat, there was jackshit to do besides go to the mall or hang out in the woods. Ended up escaping to Grand Rapids for less people in the metro, a smaller city with less traffic, and more nature. If I had come back to the SE side, it would have been to Midtown, downtown, or Ferndale... maybe Livonia. I would never go back to the suburban hell that is West Bloomfield, Waterford, or Commerce
As a lifelong resident of the area I feel that, especially as someone who couldn't get to one of the malls thanks to the only public transit being the bus to and from school
It’s been on the rise since they started building that statue of Robocop. Coincidence? I think not.
Jared Goff for mayor!
I cannot tell you how happy this makes me-come Detroit!!!!!
Detroit is rad
Settle down there buddy. Detroit still needs to fix its school system.
Given the narrative around Detroit on a national level I will take "school system kinda sucks" over "nuclear wasteland of two criminals fighting over a single tin can of crack"
correct, and that will make it more attractive to more people.
And that's why your rent's going up again.
Feel good headline but it's only a 2,000 person difference from the previous year.
Most the growth is still centered downtown and immediately adjacent niehgborhoods. Still plenty of neighborhoods a mile or two from downtown that look like third world countries where the investment from downtown isn't seen or felt.
Anyway that's not to be a downer, but I think it's important to separate economic investment and growth that is incredibly localized to the downtown versus the utter neglect of the residential neighborhoods on the outskirts. Sure, the downtown is a visible symbol of the city, but the majority of the cities residents do not live in downtown Detroit.
Go football lions!!
This started when the Miami Marlins put them on blast last year
In this thread: people have haven’t been anywhere near the shithole that is Detroit
If you're scared of the big city, just don't go there.
It took this long for Detroits' population to begin to recover after the "white flight"?
I stayed there. Bussing destroyed the entire city. The problem was never the schools.
Just keep those people over in that southeast corner where they belong.
The population finally bottomed out and reddit is saying the city is vibrant and growing lol
Compliment the city sure but be real with it
You realize that the existence of an inflection point means that there was a positive change in the city, right?
The population could have continued to drop.
"I'm here on reddit to waste my time by shitting on positive news or something you may enjoy because I personally have low self esteem masked by an exaggerated sense of self-worth." - CaptYzerman
Lol
Not shitting on good news, shitting on the idea of thinking the news is more than it is. I'm a realist
steve would be disappointed in you
I'm sure he would, he's well aware that like 60 straight years of population decline is immediately turned around when there's 1 net gain
Lol right
huh?
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Not really, imo we need more. Most of the country is empty, let's fill it up!
I'm not sure how your comment wasn't hidden when I was reading this post. What part of the UP are you from?
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1957 was the Lions last Championship. It is destiny.