We can see a situation where all teams draw their last game, meaning everyone ends on 4 points. A country will be eliminated with 4 points while another team in a different group can go on as one of the best third placed teams with "only" 3 total points, less than the fourth placed team in this group.
Not really any different to the old system where a team might finish 3rd in their group on 4 points and go out whilst 3 teams went through 2nd in their groups with 4 points like in euro 2000.
A team could finish second in their group on 3 points and go through, whilst another team in a different group finished 3rd on 4 points.
This literally happened in the world cup in 1998. Morroco (in group A) and Spain (in group D) finished 3rd with 4 points each and so were eliminated. Chile (in group B) finished second with 3 points and went through to the knockouts.
So I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make.
Slovenia started defending for their first win after they scored the 1-0, after they were more attacking and more possessive all match, only around half time and after Slovenia scored Serbia was really dangerous
Scotland could qualify with 2 points if they draw Hungary, assuming Spain and Italy beat Albania and Croatia, and Turkey and Portugal beat Czech Republic and Georgia.
What if everything is still the same? Will they re-play?
Back in 2014, the AFC U-19 Championship: Uzbekistan, UAE, and Indonesia ended with identical points, goal difference, and goals scored in the group stage. What happened next? They played additional matches to break the tie and determine who advanced.
I don't think the qualifier ranking can be the same. The draw for the groups is seeded based on their performance in qualifying, so each team must have a different qualifier ranking.
I think its the “its coming home” attitude and then your terrible execution of games at the last euros. So much violence and aggression combined with poor planning, was just a disgrace for the tournament. Unreal you get to host again next time.
Toss ups even with weaker teams are far more fun to watch than lopsided games. All of these players are world class, the quality of football played is going to be high across the board.
It’s nice to watch a more unexpected game with teams that have no major stars. The attention is more evenly spread and lots of “dark horse” teams come out of those squads. cheering for all 3 teams from this table moving to the knock out round
Belgium needs to score one more goal than Romania if they match results to get ahead in the group rank.
If Belgium vs Ukraine ends 1-1 and Slovakia vs Romania ends 0-0, or any pair of results where Belgium score exactly one more goal than Romania in their draw, Belgium and Romania qualify 1st and 2nd in that order due to the head-to-head.
Got it, so romania can win group with a tie as long as Belgium ties but they do not score more goals than Romania. If they both win , Belgium is first automatically regardless of score because of direct head to head.
Aren't those the current standings though? At least if both games tie with the same score, I don't see why those wouldn't be the final standings. I don't know very much about the tiebreakers, though, so I may also be missing something.
What happens if both games end up 0-0. 4 way tie, everyone beat at least one team and lost against one… does it not go to goal differential and the order above still stands ?
You are wrong, Romania needs to beat Slovakia, Belgium will beat Ukraine, Romania status First with Belgium overtaking Slovakia, and three points is usually enough for 3rd place
If both Romania and Belgium have 6 points, the tiebreaker will be head to head points, so Belgium will be 1st. Same for Slovakia and Ukraine If both have 3 points - Ukraine will be 3rd
Because now everyone has 3 points and Romania> Ukraine>Slovakia>Belgium>Romania.
There is a complete cycle. Which direct results apply here? None, so tiebreak is goal difference. After the last match, direct results are the tiebreaker.
Because all teams have 3 points head to head with each other. The next tiebreaker is goal difference. Which applies only when head to head points is the same.
No he's right. The fact that Belgium beat Romania puts them in first since UEFA is considering H2H results the tiebreaker. That would also put Ukraine ahead of Slovakia. If Belgium and Ukraine tie, then Romania would be first but then I'm not sure who would be 2/3 place between the two.
I've never seen anything like this, I've never seen a group where all the teams have 3 points, in all the Euros I've watched I don't think I've ever seen anything like this.
It happened at the 1994 World Cup. After 2 games Mexico, Ireland, Norway and Italy were all on 3 points. And in the end they all finished on 4 points. Kind of insane that this scenario could be repeating!
Sorry I'm so shocked by the group standings so far, when I first saw the group I thought Belgium would have qualified by now, I didn't expect them to lose to Slovakia.
Also the most open to some collusion now, I like the third place qualifiers as an idea, but Romania Slovakia can now draw their last game and both be guaranteed to go through. Where as Belgium and Ukraine can't rely on anything except a win
Belgium-Ukraine will be a blood bath tomorrow. I'm Romanian and will skip Romania-Slovakia and enjoy the carnage. It's a real shame that both matches are at the same time :( However, I think there will be no tie tomorrow.
Only shame is that the goals scored and conceded are so different. Would have been cool to try and get to the final tiebreaker scenario where teams that are equal on all other metrics have to have a penalty shootout to decide who finishes higher.
I think the scenario is basically impossible to reach because qualifying record and coefficients are also considered
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We can see a situation where all teams draw their last game, meaning everyone ends on 4 points. A country will be eliminated with 4 points while another team in a different group can go on as one of the best third placed teams with "only" 3 total points, less than the fourth placed team in this group.