Unpopular Ariana Opinion

Ariana Madix

Edit: Wow! I came back to this last night and had no idea so many people felt this way. I was fully prepared for the downvote nosedive, and presently surprised to find that wasn’t the case

Also, u/kitchen_body3215 I have to say you might be my favorite commenter, with your nonchalant emojis and few keystrokes. I’m a long winded B (clearly), so the ability to express yourself with so little is fascinating to me.

Original post: Since Scandoval Ariana has expoloded through the Bravo scene, into mainstream, and is having a Stan moment like none we’ve seen before. I love that she has been able to turn this awful experience into amazing business opportunities. The thing that gets me about this is the rewriting of her history, as this champion of women and being a steadfast girls girl, when for years she has proved to be the opposite.

I’m all for a redemption arc, but I also really like accountability. I’ve had this underlying side eye about her Standom, and I think I finally figured out that this is why. I’d love it if she gave credence to the fact that prior to this experience, she engaged in behavior that was misogynistic and that this experience helped her to see that and make real changes.

Ariana has a long history of gaslighting women, largely in the effort to preserve the reputation and ego of a man. Many times, intentionally so because she knew what she was saying was untrue, and other times possibly unintentionally due to blindly siding with the male perspective.

Kristen: gaslit her saying she didn’t cheat with Vom while Kristen and Vom were together
Annemarie (Miami Girl) and Kristen (again): gaslit them both saying that Vom didn’t cheat with Annemarie, knowing full well that he did. The implications of this one are even worse knowing what we now know about Annemarie’s experience with Vom and it’s predatory nature
Stassi, Katie, Kristen (yet again), and Billie Lee: gaslit everyone of them when Stassi, Katie and Kristen used whisper network tactics to give Billie Lee a heads up about Jeremy’s (her brother) past behaviors, by denying anything they said or examples they gave and then villainizing them for speaking up and telling Billie Lee is all mean girl BS
Kristen (again): victim blaming Kristen for James’s aggressive actions and abusive behavior, while repeatedly calling Kristen crazy; even siting how Kristen reacted to her as an example of this “crazy”, knowing that Kristen was justified in being upset and disliking Ariana bc Ariana cheated with Kristen’s, then, boyfriend.
Kristen (yes, again): on multiple reunions diminishing and dismissing Kristen and Vom’s relationship, as unimportant bc “they both cheated multiple times”. Or saying/supporting Vom in saying, that Kristen didnt have a right to be upset about the breakup and Vom and Ariana getting together so quickly bc Kristen cheated with Jax, when she knew full well that she (Ariana) had cheated with Vom prior to that.

Edit: I have made the following points “spoilers” as a few commenters have pointed out I may be mistaken on the origin. I’ve not done a rewatch of this most recent season, or last year’s reunion, so I may have conflated things here, with my impressions while watching this season week by week. Read them or leave them. It’s up to you.

I’m sure there are more, but those are some big ones that stick out as not being someone that believes, supports, and is otherwise against tearing down women. She’s actively participated in tearing down, and gaslighting women (especially Kristen) repeatedly. I’m all for this being the catalyst for change. I just wish she’d own a lot of this kind of past behavior and call it by name.

Edit: For those that follow the rationale espoused here that “this was so long ago, she changed”

Here are some very recent examples:

She came for Rachel HARD and signed off on others doing so as well - all since last reunion and into this season
She called Jo all manner of nasty things and literally diminished her personhood - again, throughout this most recent season

This behavior isn’t gone. She hasn’t rid herself of it. Before those recent events are excused away, it’s also not something that just surfaced due to her being hurt, as noted by there being a long, and well established history of this same behavior prior to Scandoval. And if Ariana’s going to be written a pass for the way she handled Kristen and AnneMarie (also, for the love, can we stop calling her Miami Girl like she is disposable and doesn’t have a name??), bc Vom is this super master manipulator that stole all of her agency, then you better write one for Rachel too. But I won’t be holding my breath on that one to happen.

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jazzed_life

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Diminishing Katie's feelings about Schwartz and Raquel and saying nobody will convince her anything bad about Raquel 💀💀

addiepie2

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That didn’t age well 😬

Interesting-Wait-101

More like that didn't age long. I'd say it's still grape juice, but that didn't even make it off the vine, FFS.

tomatocandle

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She was straddling the fence with that one. There’s a deleted scene at the hibachi grill where she defends Katie, scheana and Tom talk over her tho. She also said if she was Katie she would be angry too. But she should have been firmly on Katie’s side ia

twinkleplanet

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BE RILL

because raquel never did anything bad to HER! 😂

rottinghottty

Yet Scheana said the same thing about Kristen and is still raked over the coals for it by Ariana stans

twinkleplanet

BE RILL

yepp! and the quiet part is kristen was done wrong by ariana and that’s where a lot of her terrible behavior stemmed from. doesn’t excuse it of course but ariana was the girl sandoval told her not to worry about! of course she hated her! meanwhile katie never did anything to raquel that would even remotely explain why she went after schwartz

i_nobes_what_i_nobes

But we’re not allowed to bring that up, because they’re friends now 🙄 So anytime anybody talks about the past when it comes to specifically Kristen and Ariana, they are down, voted into oblivion and told that they don’t know what they’re talking about in Marion of other terrible things.

What happened to Ariana was really terrible, the fact that it happened on national television made it worse, but she never took accountability for her actions and that’s the most annoying part. Those of us who been watching the show since it’s inception and saw what happened It was almost like being gaslit by entire network and then a group of people online. I’m glad it’s starting to die down, trying to talk about anything that wasn’t her almost impossible.

Ok_Abrocoma_2805

It also bothers me when people dismiss Ariana’s role in the Kristen/Sandoval dynamic by claiming that Sandoval and Kristen cheated on each other all the time, so Sandoval cheating with Ariana was practically meaningless. Kristen and Sandoval were together for many years, lived together, worked together, had friends together - not that much different than him and Ariana. Rachel wasn’t the first time Sandoval had stepped out and Sandoval and Ariana’s relationship had big issues. NOT that that made what him and Rachel did in any way justifiable, but it’s foolish to argue that Kristen shouldn’t have been that upset because Sandoval had already cheated and their relationship was on its last legs, but Ariana should have all the sympathy and would have been exempt from Sandoval’s bad character.

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

Absolutely! That’s one of my big hang ups with Ariana, especially with the, “she deserves all of our sympathy for what Vom did to her”, narrative. I do think she deserves sympathy. And so did Kristen. But at the time, saying anything of the sort was completely wrong according to the masses bc they were very very comfortable hating Kristen

Junior_Cranberry_745

Ariana’s reasoning that Tom and Kristen’s relationship didn’t really count because they cheated on each other is very similar to Rachel’s reasoning. It seems Tom convinces his mistresses that his current relationship is a farce so it’s okay if he cheats on them.

maybejolissa

Perhaps this is an even bigger argument for why Ariana was so wrong in how she started her relationship with Sandoval. She inserted herself into a situation where the relationship was weak and she had to know it would drive a wedge. Even if we actually believe it was only one kiss at the Golden Nugget, she and Sandoval were certainly having an emotional affair.

tomatocandle

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I’ll agree with all of that except Katie saying it’s not the same because Lala was the other woman. I don’t think she ever said that? I think she said they’re two different situations, but she didn’t give that reasoning for why they’re different. I also don’t think Katie or Ariana have ever said anything about Lala being a girls girl or not, that’s been a fan conversation.

I love Ariana but she did do a lot of this shit lol. Kristen loves her now so I would like to think they’ve talked it out and apologized to each other. I do think Ariana has grown over the years personally, but I completely understand not everyone feeling that way.

elder_emo_

Choke. I dont care.

Thanks for expressing my opinion so succinctly. It's like you pulled it from my brain.

Material_Yoghurt_190

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I’m ready to get eviscerated but I’d also like to add the litter box scene was horrifying. Her saying she cleaned it “last week” and then the scene of the dirty liter box was HORRIBLE. I have a cat who has three liter boxes and all three get cleaned daily.

Idk it feels gross to me that she let the liter box get that gross and then is promoting a liter box. The feeling I got from that commercial is she’s profiting from Tom saying she doesn’t do it and her saying she did but like….the state of that liter box was HORRIBLE and it should have never been allowed to get to that point.

She says the cat is hers and I believe she’s had the kitty since before getting together with Tom.

idk I feel like both her AND him suck in that situation.

sirensxgorgons

It was objectively terrible and as someone who owns pets and has horrible depression, you need to put your pets first. They literally rely entirely on you and depression isn’t an excuse imo. If you aren’t well enough to take care of a pet you shouldn’t have one

nightbeez

Same .. some days the only reason I can get out of bed is because I have to take care of my pets. But otherwise if you're not able to, then make sure they're in a home that will take care of them.

Material_Yoghurt_190

Ariana has made so much money before the scandal. I just don’t see how she couldn’t even be bothered to hire somebody to clean it.

I am not a naturally tidy or clean person. Neither is my partner. But I’d NEVER let my animals have to sit in filth like that.

MsPrissss

Rawt in Hail.... the Mucinex Monster 😆

I think for me it's just like how can you just like walk through your house and smell that nasty ammonia smell and just be perfectly fine. This is why it pisses me off when people don't have litter boxes in places that they commonly are like if you're gonna have a litter box that litter box should be in your room it should be in the bathroom it should be somewhere that you can't avoid because if you can avoid it you're not gonna clean it. And furthermore it's like you know that you have cameras in your house you know that they're going to be filming you know that people are going to see that is that really what you want people to see? 👀 [I get depression is real. I'm not judging, just wondering]

nightbeez

Dude the litterbox was attached to their kitchen 🤮 I'm guessing they don't eat or cook at home.

Just-sayin-37

Because she could care less about her environment. Tom complained about this constantly even before the scandal. When they became roommates, he stopped doing everything so what you saw after is how she lives all the time. Dirty. She doesn’t care about own environment why would she care about her animals

Agreeable_Muffin7059

Nah I’ve been depressed and still managed to keep my pets clean and clean up after them every single day. . That’s NO EXCUSE.

chantillylace9

Especially because she could so easily pay somebody to come do it, I understand depression and anxiety and stress and how that affects you, but she's got plenty of money to pay somebody $10-$20 a day to come clean the litter box. There are no excuses.

AND that's how she let it get during filming when I'm sure everybody is on their best behavior, I'm curious if it would've gotten significantly worse (which is hard to believe) if they weren't filming.

Mapletreemum

My cat would have started shitting on the floor well before it got to that point, she has standards!

(No, I’m not victim-blaming Ariana’s cat lol)

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

(No, I’m not victim-blaming Ariana’s cat lol)

🤣

tomatocandle

Yeah def. She shouldn’t have let it get that bad. I have lived in disgusting ways during depressive episodes so I can’t truly judge but it’s a fact that depressive people have to figure out how to live without harming people or animals around them! So getting the self cleaning litter box is a good step. She can’t let it get like that again when she has money to take care of her pets. No evisceration from me

Material_Yoghurt_190

I too have let my home get gross. I am currently sitting in a house that is messy and needs picked up. I am not a naturally neat person nor is my partner.

One thing I strive to be is a good pet parent. Even if I am struggling to get out of bed, I will do so just to make sure their needs are met. At my worst and lowest of lows, I would never have made my beloved animals suffer.

Ariana has made so much money before the scandal even happened, I can’t wrap my mind around how she knew she wasn’t cleaning it daily and didn’t 1.) get a self cleaning one or 2.) hire somebody to do it.

Thank you for not eviscerating me lol

NursePepper3x

I grew up with cats (allergic so none now) and if the litter was messy, they would just shit wherever they wanted.

Even at my worst depression when I rot myself and don’t eat or shower or see sunlight, I manage to feed my dog and get her outside to cleanly do her business.

Material_Yoghurt_190

Hahaha I am actually allergic to animals as well. My only environmental allergy are cats and dogs. And I own a cat and a dog. I literally give up being able to breathe properly for them. I could never ever ever imagine not taking care of them.

KittyGrewAMoustache

She’s not a good person she just obviously isn’t. I find it bizarre that so many people suddenly decided she’s worthy of their adoration just because she got cheated on. She’s always been mean spirited and narcissistic, she just does a good job of trying to hide it by not being outlandishly self aggrandising (anymore, she learned that doesn’t go down well after her first season of lauding herself as the smartest/prettiest etc.). I wish people would stop stanning reality tv stars, they’re all bad people all of them and they don’t deserve your love or money! Save it for people who have actual talent or who do good deeds, not for gross cat neglecting people like Ariana.

Agreeable_Muffin7059

💯 I couldn’t agree more!!

MommaShark04

I agree 1000%

IllustratorTall9602

Couldn’t agree more.

MsPrissss

Rawt in Hail.... the Mucinex Monster 😆

I do understand depression but I've lived in a house where people didn't clean their litter box and one animal should have their litter box cleaned at least three times a week so you can imagine all of the ammonia that was probably in the air from all of that and you can look it up That shit is really bad for your lungs and give you cancer.

FiFiLB

I totally agree. I’m glad the cat has a robot to take care of the litter now but I also got the ick from that commercial. As a crazy cat lady, it was horrifying to see the litter box get that bad. Like there’s no excuse. She has all of the resources in the world to make sure her fur babies are properly cared for while away doing other jobs or while even home and dealing with a depressive episode. I also deal with depression (at this point, who doesn’t?) but yeah the litter box scene was so upsetting to me.

nightbeez

They literally have assistants that clean up after them. I'm at a loss

Best_Winter_2208

She also left food on her nightstand. Like I eat in bed but I always take the plates to the kitchen in the morning at the very latest.

Material_Yoghurt_190

I truly just couldn’t imagine any of it. Again I AM MESSY but the imagine of the litter box is like burned in my head.

Somebody else commented that the litter box was like a set up by Tom. Okay, I guess that maybe absolves her of the litter box situation (if Tom setting her up is true because there was another clip of him cleaning it and being nasty) but she then left her animals unsupervised with Tom after he supposedly neglected the cat to hurt her? I can’t wrap my mind around that.

My animals are my prized possessions, like they are literally my favorite things on this earth. If I ever had anybody neglect them, I’d never let them be near that person again.

I also understand they own a house together but there were alternatives like air bnb. If she didn’t want to move out because of advice from a lawyer, fine, find somewhere that the animals can go where they will be safe until you can move out like a friend’s house or something.

Ok_Abrocoma_2805

For sure. I HATE Sandoval but I’m Team No One here. Ariana was clearly in the house all the time, fully living there, at the time it was filmed. That litter box was dirty longer than a week. Both of them could’ve noticed the nastiness and stepped up over the course of many days, and didn’t. Sandoval is the worsttttttt but how did he prevent Ariana from keeping it clean? He obviously didn’t. She wasn’t on DWTS or doing any other gigs that would keep her away from the house for like a month at that point. And even if she was, if she claims that the cat is 100% hers, it’s then 100% her responsibility to have someone stop by to take care of the cat once a day.

Best_Winter_2208

Or like hire someone.

Material_Yoghurt_190

I absolutely agree.

NefariousnessHot7639

I always appreciate your nuanced takes! Solid.

tomatocandle

Aw thank you!!! That was nice of you to say 💜

jdrb2

Add her calling Kristen “c*nnilingus Kristen” and shaming her for what happened with Brittany then proceeding to engage in the same behaviour with Lala..

Curious-Pattern-9625

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Dipped Out

This is very well written and I agree with all of this. I also would like to add how Ariana body shamed Kristen, saying she had a “kangaroo pouch” for her lower belly. That really rubbed me the wrong way, especially since Ariana supposedly had body image issues. I never can think of a time that I liked Ariana to be honest, she always felt she was smarter, cooler, prettier and better than everyone. She actually has always been insufferable.

Growth however, I love to see it from any and all people. It would just have been nice to see Ariana address the long list of things she has done over the years, rather than just act perfect and do that fake smile thing she does. 🙄

Mammoth-Squirrel-660

Omg “kangaroo pouch” is terrible! I don’t remember that 😢

Kiwiqueen26

Especially sad considering a “kangaroo pouch” is kind of how women are built and completely normal

Curious-Pattern-9625

Dipped Out

Exactly! Kristen went on to say she was just built this way and Kristen was super thin at this time.

Curious-Pattern-9625

Dipped Out

Yeah, it blew my mind. Especially since more people didn’t talk about it.

Emma_Aus_85

I don’t know if she has grown, I think she has got better at masking. The scene where she was fighting with lala and mocking her and saying she was born cool was at the end of season 9. I think she can still be as nasty and arrogant, she is just more trained in a public persona. Again, we saw this same sort of arrogant and immature behaviour from her at the scandoval reunion, everyone just applauded it because she had a reason to act that way. I really don’t think she has grown that much at all. She just protects her brand. We know she did the same with presenting a fake relationship.

Curious-Pattern-9625

Dipped Out

I agree with this take. I think she’s just gotten better at masking who she truly is. I mean the season 10 reunion was just terrible. She showed then she is still that arrogant girl from the beginning. She just does that fake smile thing now & everyone thinks she just truly is so “sweet”! It’s almost sickening to me. I think she’s just as bad as she ever was. I feel there is a reason she stayed with Sandy for a decade, they have to be a lot more alike than we even know.

Haunting_Box_5143

She commented that she wished Raquel would keep the restraining order against Scheana, so she had to stay away, as Scheana cried over it. That really got me.

body_oil_glass_view

Ewww 🤣

That moment gives me such ick

"SPIN!"

nightbeez

I made the same comment that you did six months ago and was downvoted to hell & torn to shreds but it's true that she doesn't have a good track record with how she's treated women and she always sided with Tim even when he was very wrong. I'm on her side because he sucks but watch her treat Kristen like shit and tell me that she actually cares about women. She definitely didn't care when she was the other woman and it cost Kristen her 10 year relationship. She was very excited to rip Kristen to shreds and prove that she had won. She won the prize of a sad, aging, botoxed, cheating hack.

Curious-Pattern-9625

Dipped Out

Yup! I also have been downvoted for this exact same comment. I think people are just starting to see her track record was never good and she always stood up for Sandoval, always. I mean how can anyone not admit that the two of them together wasn’t just horrible? Ariana was a lot like Tom, they both thought they were cooler than they really were.

chantillylace9

Holy cow, I don't remember that at all. In what context did she say that to Kristin?

Curious-Pattern-9625

Dipped Out

She said it behind her back, mocking her stomach and saying she had a “pouch, like a kangaroo” where her lower stomach stuck out slightly. Kristen was so thin then, she said at the reunion she had always had a little pooch, it’s just how she’s built.

Indy-Lib

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Yeah, I didn't like how much glee she took in being a groomsman for Schwartz. She wanted to be a guy's girl a little too much during that wedding. There are no heroes on this show. But they are fun to watch. And I am glad for anyone whose life gets better after being screwed over.

nightbeez

I think the only side I really take is anti-sandoval & anti-jax. Not sure I'm pro-anyone at this point.

ETA except Anne. I am pro-Anne.

matskesi

100% yes agree to this, and similarly how now everyone is hating on Lala & Scheana with such rage simply because they don’t align with Ariana’s brand tribe.

Yes, Lala and Scheana have caused drama (thank god or we wouldn’t have a show) and their actions can be questionable, but they’ve also done a LOT of incredibly nice and thoughtful things as friends. None of these people are 100% bad or 100% good - including Tom AND Ariana.

I wish there was room for more of these fun open-minded opinions and sharing examples rather than rewriting history and coming with full force deluded rage - we don’t know these people in real life, we only know the 10% we see on an edited reality show. Some people really act like Ariana is gonna see their “support” and become best friends with them, it’s a bit strange

jamesisaPOS

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Nothing About Her

Just want to say it's actually somewhat popular, but people here who think she's the Pinnacle of Suffering Women will jump you for speaking the truth about her😅

Thank you for the compiled list, it's always jarring seeing all of her grotesque behavior listed out.

lmswisher

It's popular in this sub but don't you DARE utter any of these words in the other one lol

I'm pro-Ariana when it comes to all things Scandoval, I'm glad she's doing well - but I wish people were a little more realistic when they're declaring their love for her

Apprehensive-Neck-90

I think that’s something people in the other sub can’t mentally comprehend.

No one is saying Ariana deserved Scandoval or to go through that. What people are saying is that she hasn’t always been perfect, she did mess around with Tom while he was with Kristen. And we shouldn’t pretend that she has ALWAYS been a girls girl, and has never done anything wrong her whole time on the show

Ashleybernice

Omg I said something on IG (literally can’t remember what it was even about) but I know I wasn’t talking shit about Ariana bc I’m on her side in this Sandoval thing. I was getting death threats fans of hers were going on my IG talking shit about my bf it was so wild (like people that think Swifties are wild haven’t had the bravo fans come after you lol). I’ve never made another comment after that.

EmilyAGoGo

That is so shitty, I’m so sorry. And then the fans turn around and ream ppl like Lala and Scheana out for saying that they’re getting death threats and invalidate them, meanwhile random ass (no offense lol) fans are also getting torn apart and threatened for simply disagreeing. Smfh.

TLC_4978

Well said. Would give you an award if I could (I am too cheap to pay for those lol)

Ok_Abrocoma_2805

For sure. She did NOT deserve it and I don’t take delight in thinking she should have seen something like this coming. BUT women need to be skeptical and wary of men who want to start a relationship with you in shady ways. A man who is willing to cheat on his longtime, live-in girlfriend ISN’T a viable option for a partner just because you’re NOT that girlfriend. A man who does that should inspire disgust, not lust, and it’s truly wild if she never deep down considered that he would be capable of cheating on her.

Apprehensive-Neck-90

That’s not just a man thing, anyone no matter who their interested in should be aware of that, sometimes like in Ariana’s case they think that they’re better than that persons current partner and will continue forward with pursuing that person

Comments like these are honestly a bit annoying because they really try and make it seem like she had no control and that all men are manipulative and women aren’t responsible for the things they do, when that’s not the case at all. Most women’s actions aren’t because a man made them act like that, she’s responsible for the things she did PERIOD

Mammoth-Squirrel-660

Yes! OP we thank you for this post. Such bravery 😅

thatgalDee

She was a “one of the guys” girl when it was convenient & benefitted her. But now she’s a “girls girl” suddenly. Again convenient because it benefits her having the girls all ride for her

KeySea7727

my unpopular opinion on her is that i'm tired of the subs essentially being fan clubs for Katie and Ariana. The intentional posting to advocate deals for them and random love letters to them is just strange. That's really not allowed or tolerated for any other cast members. Like i get it, they're cool but damn it's overload. It's like we can't talk about anything else. I personally think it makes sense for those stans to create their own sub to gush over Katie and Ariana but they get really angry at that idea. Trolling is bad but stanning is just as criminal and makes the sub feel like it's being held hostage.

graymillennial

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mistress bimbo✨

I mean, yes to all of this but RIP op

timeforachange2day

I’m not an Ariana stans (or whatever people say lol) but I do defend when people come for her when it’s not called for. Same for any of the cast members. But OP is right here in calling out her behaviors. Shouldn’t be down voted for facts. Facts and opinions are two entirely different things.

grouchy_grouch96

Lmao my thoughts exactly

Upstairs_Resource756

I agree with nearly everything on this thread :) It’s such a relief to not feel like the outcast (I know, that’s a little hyperbolic). My biggest issue is her hateful, condescending arrogance. Many others have also mentioned her saying this, but it’s such a quintessential example of her self-righteousness - “I’m cooler than you, I’m smarter than you and I’m prettier than you” and don’t forget - “you don’t deserve to breathe the same air as me.” Comments like those are typically indicators of insecurities about oneself, low self-esteem, or in this case, possible delusion (although I think it’s most likely one of the first two). If she genuinely believes all of her comments about how much better she is than everyone else, then I’ve got a little secret… Ariana, you’re not that great. You’re a D-list (maybe C) Bravolebrity who is experiencing a temporary spike in popularity. You’re a mediocre reality star just like 100’s of others, who lucked out when Scandoval happened to make you trendy enough to snag a an invitation to Dancing with the Stars and to be stunt casted as Roxy on Broadway (just like the long list of forgettable reality stars who have done both before you and will continue to do after you). I think you might need a dose of reality and some humble pie (is that a thing? 🤷‍♀️)

Oilpen34

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We act like Ariana wasn’t “the other women” when Tom was with Kristen.

red_rhyolite

I got down voted to hell when I said this a few weeks back. I'm rewatching the earlier seasons and it's SO obvious that there was overlap between her and Kristen. That and the obvious lies she was telling herself about Tom sleeping with Anne Marie and how "it would never happen to her". Like, c'mon.

Ok_Abrocoma_2805

Yes. They were having an emotional affair, I feel confident saying that. And I also think emotional affairs are just as bad as physical ones. A spark of attraction between a man and a woman who are “just friends” will for sure lead to an explosion someday if there aren’t any efforts made by either one of them to step back. They knew that being “friends” with someone of the opposite sex, late night texting, inside jokes, hanging out in pools alone almost naked in the middle of the night, isn’t acceptable if you’re not single. Ariana acting like Kristen and anyone else who questioned it was an insane overreacter was impossible to defend and isn’t anything but an asshole move. Instead of backing off after noticing that her “friend’s” girlfriend was bothered, she continued crossing the line anyway just because she wanted to.

Unicornlove416

exactly she knew they were together

For years.

She plays innocent like she doesnt ruin relationships by cheating also. I’m sick of the victim card it’s so played out. Katie would love to date Ariana if she could. She’s dying to be her, she got cheated on and got absolutely nothing out of it now acts like she’s better than everyone.

FiFiLB

Katie hardly got any sympathy from Ariana when her and Tom divorced.

twinkleplanet

BE RILL

ariana literally made fun of her in a confessional for being so isolated she had to bring on kristina kelly as a friend, and they were already business partners at that point!

Kitchen_Body3215

💯💯💯

Diehoe1234

I was literally speechless watching her diary reading, so homophobic. I get that she has her own relationship with queerness, but to think that passage is funny at like 30 is insane to me

After-Pear2117

I just want you away from ME 😭😭😭!!! Enough already Ariana

_Jahar_

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After doing a rewatch I feel confident saying it’s the same with every other single person on Vanderpump Rules.

From homophobia, to emotional abuse, to misogyny, physical abuse, to Sandy Hook denying — they all have giant lists like these because they were all extremely terrible people. Including Lisa. Some have just grown up and evolved to their current “form” now. If one needs to take accountability- they all do. Imo I’m ok with Ariana being the “golden” one right now tbh after watching all the past seasons.

I would say so far Katie’s probably the one who wasn’t actually a bad person throughout the show.

CreepySwing567

Ya anyone who thought anyone on this show is a girls girl or morally superior to the rest of the cast is missing the point

I feel like before scandoval the fandom was more in on the joke in that way and no one really took it too seriously but now people are trying to apply this moral narrative to it that doesn’t really work.

mariafroggy123

Katie is the only one who didn’t cheat either

(not counting Brittany because I don’t see her as a true VPR cast member)

bmurray925

Choke.l don’t care.

Motor boating a D was really what they tried w/ her lol. Just rewatched that one

_Jahar_

yeah I don’t count her either lol but she did do a lot of bad things too. Like the stuff with her and Jax’s pastor.

pink_willywonka

I recently got into the show and I was shocked to see how hated Katie was in earlier seasons up to season 10. People on here were even cheering Raquel on when she was extremely vile to Katie and her mom. Kate had some flaws in the earlier seasons but she was easily the most decent one on the cast. And she actually matured as the show went on. The same can’t be said for most of them.

_Jahar_

Same - she could be annoying at times but that was it. I made the mistake of checking out past episode discussions on here and other subreddits and woof.

nextdaydrowsiness

Wish I could upvote this more 😂 unfortunately as with all reality tv it’s usually entertaining because they’re so messy and terrible

_Jahar_

Yep — which is why I’m watching Summer House now!! I want to say MAYBE Below Deck is a show where they’re not ALL messy and terrible?? Just the people they’re working for.

Serious_Arugula5961

Below deck is mild compared to VPR for SURE. There’s definitely some bad apples but for the most part it’s just 20 something’s working hard and partying even harder and just who slept with who drama, sprinkle in some work place dynamic drama and that’s about it.

Affectionatekickcbt

Katie was awful to Sheena and Lala and she was under Stassi’s control

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

It’s bc I actually like Katie that I say this. Katie didn’t need Stassi to control her, in order to be snarky and mean. She does that all by herself.

Affectionatekickcbt

Yes you’re right. I do remember a time when Katie wouldn’t speak up to Stassi though. Katie is smart, but she was rotten.

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

I absolutely agree that everyone has their own shit. But not all of them are lauded as Brave, Strong, Inspirational Women who champion other women and mental health struggles. Ariana is though.

That’s the part that gets me. Like let’s all come back down to earth. It’s the “praise be” Stanning, in light of all of this that rubs me the wrong way

timeforachange2day

I said if it wasn’t Ariana who got these opportunities and it was another (female) cast member, people would be coming just as hard as they all have done things. I am not going to excuse Ariana one bit. What she has said to her female cast members is 100% wrong. She has to make amends for that. But I know whoever would be in the spotlight these skeletons a would be brought out.

TheKatsMeow_00

I would extend grace and support. I don’t because of everything you have mentioned. I also don’t like her holier than thou attitude. She will never admit to anything and her stans excuse it that it was so long ago and that she’s changed. She hasn’t changed and has her stans doing her dirty work. When asked if people were doing too much going after Tom and Raquel with the death threats and bullying she said no.

PrincessGizmo

Yup, and that tells me all I need to know about her so called "growth".

Kitchen_Body3215

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stickylegs94

Yeah, I obviously don't agree with Rachel cheating with tom on her, but Rachel I don't think is this nasty, evil person that everyone has made her out to be. Ariana should've just said you know what, you did something awful to me and for that we can never be friends again and left it at that. Calling her subhuman and wishing her the worst that can ever happen to someone is just disgusting, I'm sorry. I would literally only speak to somebody like that if they literally tortured and killed my baby or something like that. She slept with tom sandoval, like isn't that punishment enough? 😂

ornerygecko

I've liked Ariana since season 2. I think because I've watched on and off since its inception, I've had the benefit of time to get over my initial reaction to things. I also went from a young 20 something to a 30s something. This shift in perspective, and time past is why I just don't give a fuck.

It's not just Ariana. Kristen and Stassi's actions in regard to faith disgusted me. I was also disgusted by how people were okay with sweeping it under the rug. I'm a black female and, at that time, was heavily invested in our criminal justice system. I was on a law degree path. So I knew how all of this could have gone terribly wrong. But now, whatever.

They film for like, two to three months a year, I think. Just a wee snippet of their lives. I don't know these people. I know who I wouldn't want to be friends with, but I'm not going to pretend that I've got their whole psyche figured out. I don't know what growth they've had for the 75% of the time they are not on an edited TV show. Idk what plots production pushed or omitted to create a narrative.

There are some things that are inexcusable. A lot of James' behavior falls in that category. Brittany being shady about Sandy Hook, I can't let go of. That entire conspiracy hurt a lot of people. I also do believe she called faith a nappy headed hoe. She's a permanent no for me. But people fighting over men, or general everyday fuckery that we don't even hold ourselves accountable for, don't care.

No_Significance_8291

The kicker for me is , Tom has been trying to bait Ariana into talking about what their relationship was really like - but she won’t bite - Lala has called her out on not being real , Kristan and many others … but nobody will back her up and hold her feet to the fire and make her talk . She just straight goes quiet, says she has mental health stuff and keeps the focus off her - Ariana has just sat back and let everyone around her burn Tom to the ground and anyone who questions Ariana about anything - If Ariana sat up and really gave everyone the downlow on how things really were between her and Tom the past decade , I’m sure she wouldn’t be having this moment in the sun . You can’t get blood out of a Turnip - by sitting back she just is able to stay in this certain light and not have to answer for anything and she can just be in her bubble - I belive Tom 100% when he says to the other cast members that Ariana has talked so much shit on all of them …. As long as Ariana can keep everyone’s focus on what a piece of crap everyone else is by having everyone else fight each other , she will stay right where she is -

FiFiLB

Based on her superiority complex she’s had since the start of her being on the show, she most certainly has talked shit about her coworkers. Like it’s probably far nastier than we know.

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

Oh for sure! She did it openly for a couple of seasons (like during the scream session in the ice bar with Scheana as one example) and then started to tamp it all down and only threw out an ambiguously snide comment here and there, usually cloaked as a self aggrandizing comment about herself (ie: “I’m not saying so and so doesn’t have style, but I would never wear that dress”) so she didn’t get lumped in as a mean girl. And then immediately started habitually using the phrase “mean girl” to describe others and their behavior.

jamesisaPOS

Nothing About Her

Everyone thinks she's ""grey rocking"" because she's some narcissist abuse victim but it's really because the more she engages with Tom or anyone about their relationship, the more the actual truth of it will come out and that ruins the heartbroken, loving, life partner narrative she works so hard to sell.

Dreamywaves3

That's exactly what I've noticed. Ariana would have exposed herself and her own past horrible actions, if she interacted with Sandoval or talked more to the others about her relationship with Tom.

Ariana chooses to expose and blame Sandoval for his horrid deeds, but it's obvious to me that she is often referring to her own shared actions and blames him for it. For instance, one thing I always thought was that Ariana used to coach Sandoval before reunions and always. She spoke for him often, and there is no freaking way that he coached her. I don't know how anyone can buy that.

If that is the case, then why has no other girlfriend/love interest of Sandoval been in united agreement as much as Ariana has. She would literally explain what Sandoval is saying or meant to say, much of the time. Nobody else has done that.

That's just one example. I think that Ariana is incredibly smart, and I don't think ANY man or woman intimidates her. Sandoval has never kept her down. Ariana just didn't have the drive to do better prior to Scandoval. Now, she has the drive to shine WAY above Sandoval because it's fueled with vengeful anger, and for that, I do say kudos. I am not a fan of hers, but she definitely has made the most of her opportunities.

omniai99

You can come and help me if you want 🏊‍♀️

Yep! Its hilarious to me that people buy that Tom was this manipulative mastermind that fed Ariana lines after we've seen him post-Scandoval. The man can not say the right thing to save his own life.

And, we've seen Schwartz try to help speak for him and then just quietly panic and disassociate. Ariana had that shit figured out.

jamesisaPOS

Nothing About Her

She admitted to coaching him at the season 10 reunion and everyone just ignores or justifies it lol

omniai99

You can come and help me if you want 🏊‍♀️

lol because "he needed it!"

jamesisaPOS

Nothing About Her

She thought that was such a good comeback like it didn't make her look even worse for dating a man she had to teach how to speak for ten years like girl 😭😭

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

This description of Schwartz made me giggle

Kitchen_Body3215

Facts

rottinghottty

"there is no freaking way that he coached her"

I think he did in the beginning, because that was his friend group and he wanted to make sure she navigated her place correctly. but as seasons went on and she decided this was her brand now, she def took the lead.

jamesisaPOS

Nothing About Her

I can't hate on her hustle either tbh! She is certainly crafty and knew to strike while the iron was hot.

Dreamywaves3

I didn't say i didn't hate Ariana because I do, but not for making the most of her opportunities. She did well there, but she is a shit person, nevertheless.

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Kitchen_Body3215

Always has

No_Significance_8291

Yep . I feel shes 100 percent doing it for that reason .she just doesn’t want to put a light on herself . She’s happy where this scandal landed her and is just letting everyone else do the work for her . The moment Scheana threw that supposed punch to Rachael , it set the stage for Ariana to just kick back - and she ran with it . 🤷‍♀️

costco_blankets

I can’t stand the term grey rocking anymore. I’ll add master class to that as well. What master class am I watching?!

omniai99

You can come and help me if you want 🏊‍♀️

YESSSS

Kitchen_Body3215

💯💯💯💯💯

TheKatsMeow_00

Spot on. She even stated no one will know all that has transpired in her relationship or with the scandal.

Kitchen_Body3215

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tomatocandle

For me, what their relationship was like doesn’t matter much because they said they were having problems and went to couples therapy. I pretty much don’t care WHAT was going on if you both agreed to go to couples therapy to work it out. The fact that Tom did that when he was having an affair the whole time just makes the details of their relationship a moot point to me. He kept hope alive for the future of them together, for what?

No_Significance_8291

I don’t feel she was as destroyed as one may believe , or at least for the reasons people think she should be - there’s a lot in play here with Ariana and how she’s navigating this chess game - but nobody will really know anything about their relationship the last few years because she’s not talking - Tom and Racheal were fried in the court of public opinion as they deserved , Ariana is busy living her best life and then some , and the shows over pretty much so I guess we will never know what all really went down , who knew and what was really happening behind closed doors 🤷‍♀️ maybe someone will write a book

Kitchen_Body3215

I think her ego was bruised. Nothing more.

FiFiLB

Yes her ego was bruised because Tom didn’t even try to fight for her once it was over. He had no desire to get back with her once the scandal broke loose. I think had he begged her to stay in the relationship or something to that effect, her ego would be less bruised.

No_Significance_8291

Indeed

AngelicEleven

I absolutely love this and agree with the whole entire thing. I have watched and read opinions about Ariana for a long time, and I have never seen one like this. The way they first got together, and the way Kristin was constantly treated but never got this same attention has always driven me crazy.

Thank you so much for being so eloquent and posting this opinion

TLC_4978

Same here- I have also looked for a post like this for a long time as well and this is the first one that really breaks down Ariana’s history and how people seem to forget she hasn’t always been the queen that people see her as. To OP- great post!

RichTop7729

Nice to see a post that aligns with my opinions. I've been torn to shreds by her stans who are going as far as saying the way she stands in photos is amazing, I just love her 🤢

lonesome_penguin

Currently rewatching and have to agree on many points you mentioned. I'd also like to add how toxic her behaviour was when it came to talking about Kristen's mental health. She labelled her as 'crazy' many times, said she needed psychiatric help, diagnosed her with borderline personality disorder and used it as a tactic to make herself look 'cool, calm and collected' - which we know is what Sandoval is looking for in his gfs. Considering she opened up about her own mental health issues she was incredibly cold, calculating and cruel when it came to speaking about Kristen's.

Disastrous_Toe_848

I almost made this pretty much exact post but I got scared I’d get downvoted to hell. I started re watching from season 1 with my husband and holy shit I hadn’t remembered how awful she was in her first few seasons. My husband was like “THIS is the girl everyone is rooting for right now??” She was extremely shitty to all of them at some point

Disastrous_Toe_848

“I take sketch comedy very seriously” like she sucked. Period

Zestyclose-Owl-1818

Don’t forget her weirdo inappropriate brother.

It runs in her family.

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

He’s mentioned above for his gross behavior and her trying to gaslight everyone about it

Alice_Von_Jash_III

You can't say anything critical of Ariana here, her super-sized fans will get on all of their different accounts to tell you how much money she makes and "Yas Kween!" They don't have jobs so they've got the time.

Unfinished-symphony

Amazing you took the time to put this together! Incredible.

I will say who we are in our late 20’s early 30’s vs who become when we are nearly 40 is vast for most people.

sufferagette

I think with watching these shows, that has lasted for so many years, you have to pick a lane: either you keep seeing the cast through the lens of things they did 5, 10 years ago, or you dont.

I’m in the latter category. I myself dont really want to be judged in present time for things I did in my early twenties (dear god).

Obviously illegal stuff that hurts others, that’s something else entirely.

matskesi

I think it’s definitely reasonable to say we don’t want to be judged for life on our younger actions, and I think we can all see growth in all of the cast members to some extent, but that’s also why I don’t think people should come at Raquel as hard as they do. I think they forget just how young she was when all of this happened, and how young she joined the show - it’s clear she’s a bit more naive and sheltered than a lot of the cast, and while it doesn’t excuse her behaviour, I can understand why a young 20-something would find themselves in a compromised situation living out their “best life” in West Hollywood with the “cool guy” after leaving a relationship broken hearted by someone who was clearly abusive - I mean Ariana literally started her relationship with Tom the exact same way and we see how much her storyline and attitude has evolved since earlier seasons (and I’m sure she’s reflecting on a lot of her past actions in embarrassment after having it done to her!)

sufferagette

I can absolutely appreciate that. I still believe she was groomed and manipulated a lot in her situation. When she said she was scared to speak up about the truth of the affair, because «Tom is the only one I have left», it was chilling.

And from a lot of her statements she seems to still struggle with boundaries, her values and her grasp on reality.

I wish she hadn’t gone to court and everything like she’s doing now, though. It makes it hard for me to deeply feel for her. Even though I know she’s a troubled person.

matskesi

100%. The first few episodes of her podcast were interesting, but honestly the last handful of them I can’t even get through because you can tell how mentally/emotionally involved she still is. She is actively still connecting herself with the show/the cast and you can tell she’s struggling to move on, and the court case makes it even worse

Responsible_Big1229

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JLB415

I 100% agree and been too lazy to voice it, good outline!

Opening_Fun_806

Bingo!

Fickle_Border_8855

When Stassi spoke up about her experience with Ariana’s brother at the wedding… I was sad for Stassi. She also treated Stassi horribly for no reason and Stassi tried to create genuine friendship. Vom always saw Stassi as an opponent he had to take down/get rid of.

Illustrious_lana

I agree with some of your points. I have always remembered some of the shittier things ari has done, but the reason people haven’t ended up hating her is because she doesn’t claim to be anything that would have made her a hypocrite. The public has ascribed the ‘ girls girl’ superhero thing to her, I don’t think she’s ever gone around saying she’s never made errors or that she’s nothing but a girls girls. She knows she hasn’t always acted right and I believe she is able to reflect on it, just not publicly at this time.

I think we admire the strength and steadfastness Ari has shown this season, and her growth.

I would love to hear her reconcile with her past, too, but I don’t think this was the season for that. Maybe one day. I just feel I don’t need it. I feel the growth speaks for itself.

HotLingonberry6964

Not speaking up to Raquel when Raquel was kissing Tom Shwartz. She give AF about Katie's well-being having to witness all that nor did she not seem to see anything wrong about Raquel's behavior to say anything- even Charli spoke to Raquel, saying it was messed up. What gets me about this example, is this is still recent. Everyone says they love to see Ariana's growth over time but this was LITERALLY RIGHT BEFORE Scandoval!!!

Due_Finger6047

There are so many people on this Reddit drinking the Ariana koolaid so hard it’s nauseating. Thank you OP for being bold enough to state the obvious here. She made an ass out of herself screaming at him on the beach. My husband was sitting there watching and goes “ok I do not like this girl.”

SangrianArmy

while that may be true she has also shown moments of incredible empathy and emotional intelligence, to the point where she has brought tears to my eyes with some of her acts of kindness. ariana is an interesting, complex woman, there are many sides to her. no one in this world is perfect, she has her flaws. but for some reason i think she has shown herself to have a truly good heart..she is just a very hurt person and has been for most her life. hurt people hurt people sometimes

timeforachange2day

I am not going to deny anything you’ve said because she is totally accountable to everyone she has had these encounters with. As for us as public, I don’t see her needing to make any formal statements or apologies to us. Yes she is a reality star but she is truly only accountable to those people she did wrong. It’s up to her to decide and up to the public/fans to decide if they want to give her the grace to then move on. I have not seen her going on to any platforms being a “champion of women,” and standing on her morals. BUT please correct me if I am wrong.

I’ve seen her get the DWTS opportunity, commercials for cat litter because of the lack of cleaning her cat box, battery commercial, again a joke from VPR about not buying batteries, hosting Love Island, Broadway, and not sure what else. But I don’t follow her and don’t follow the media hype close enough to know if she is making claims about being “all for women.”

For me, personally, I know she did wrong by some of her costars but I know each and every one of those people also are not innocent so I am not holding Ariana to a higher standard just because she has gotten opportunities they haven’t. I truly feel that everyone would probably be scrutinized this way if they went on to do bigger and better things because again, each cast member said and did some harsh things. It’s just easier to cast the light on someone who is branching out and expecting a higher standards from them.

This is my two cents. It is not the written word so don’t come for me. I write always for consensual debate. 🤝

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

So perhaps I should clarify, that my rub isn’t even with Ariana. It’s with the Stanning of her. I thought I was explaining that well, but perhaps I wasn’t. I’m saying that I don’t get the hype. I don’t understand flocking around her as if she is someone to aspire to be. The constant Stanning in this sub, and others for her, and excusing away, if not downright denying poor behavior from her, while vehemently calling it out in others. That’s what irks me.

So the champion of women thing, is coming from Stans (again, I thought that was clear, but since it appears not to have been, I’m confirming that I acknowledge this is the origin of what I was referring to, and not bc I thought Ariana said that herself). The overall vibe given to her by them is that she’s deserving of all of these opportunities, and my point is that I wholeheartedly disagree. I don’t think she deserves it anymore than any of the rest of them do bc she didn’t do anything special. I’m also not condemning her for those opportunities. Good for her for stacking bank. I’m happy to see a woman profit off a man mistreating them for once.

I just think the praises and accolades that her fans have pinned to her are wild. And they act like it’s bc she is so much better than the rest of the cast, and therefore deserving of the blind adoration and should have unending brand deals bc she is better than the rest of the cast. These same fans that sing her praises will also not hesitate to tear other female cast members to shreds while giving the very behaviors she also exhibits as reasons for justifying their dislike of the person they are hating on. I’m saying that doesn’t track.

bleepbloop1777

I'm still amazed that she and Kristen are close friends.

Limp_Doctor4664

who the hell is VOM?

Notyoursidepiece

I did horrible shit in my 20s but once I realized what I did, I made changes and grew from it. Isn't that the right thing to do?

FuzzyP3ach3s

Team Katie with the banging

I agree with you! I feel the same way. She used to be fucking awful lol

rockabillychef

Kristen has said repeatedly that Ariana has apologized to her, and they have been friends for years. How's that for accountability? I do agree with some of your points, especially the one about Jeremy. He's gross. I get that he's her brother, but she could have handled that better.

Dreamywaves3

It's due to Kristen's graciousness that they are friends. Ariana's vague apology just occured after she found out about Sandoval's affair. It was never on camera, but Kristen said that Ariana whispered "i'm sorry" to Kristen as she came to comfort Ariana.

Kristen has publicly said more than once (when asked on interviews last year) that Ariana has never yet admitted that she and Sandoval were together/cheating prior to Kristen's breakup with Sandoval. Kristen believes they were. That said, Kristen has said that she has given up hope about that and has let it go at this point.

And yes, they have been friends for years, but that's only because they bonded around events that had nothing to do with Sandoval.

Tangerina34

1000% agree. I think part of my problem is I'm just now watching for the first time (I'm to season 7) and there are SO many moments where it feels like she could've had even the smallest bit of empathy for Kristen especially but instead she rolls her eyes and laughs it off, makes rude remarks (ex: Stassi genuinely wanting to be her friend and she says she doesn't care in the rudest possible way - can't remember exact verbiage), etc. It truly does feel like rewriting history. I feel like people have just chosen to forget the TONS of times she acted that way.

KyleThing18

This is not an unpopular opinion. This sub gets 2 or 3 of these a week and if you go to Facebook this is ~80% of the opinion.

rottinghottty

This type of opinion is rarely posted compared to the rabid hate the rest of the equally shitty cast get

Lockedout91

👏 👏 👏

Ok_List_9649

I’m on this sub daily and no, there are not 2-3 of these every week. There’s 1 every 2-3 weeks . When you consider there’s 20-30 posts a day here I’d consider this a very unpopular opinion. That’s because many people who aren’t Ariana Stans can’t post their opinion on most threads here because they get downvoted to hell. I applaud OP for taking the risk.

Lockedout91

For this sub this is an unpopular opinion. Most of the posts regarding Ariana are positive takes and acknowledge her growth and don’t hold her past actions against her.

BeamTeam032

I'm going to take it a step further. I don't think she was as hurt by Tom cheating as she lets on. I think they were both mentally checked out of the relationship for months. I think she refused to move out of the house because she wanted to keep tabs on him and make his life miserable.

There were several ways she could have "protected her peace" that she choose not to take. I think she wanted to pressure Tom to leave the show the way Rachel and others have left. But this is the best gig Tom is ever going to have and he has no shame, so he was never going to leave.

Ariana has drawn several lines in the sand to try ensure Tom has no body left. But everyone except Kattie crossed over, because I think Ariana has become a nightmare to work with. It's much easier to forgive Tom for cheating, when Ariana is being terrible.

Silly-Little-Giraffe

I think that they were mentally checked out of the relationship for years. Ariana used to blindly follow him and defended him all the time. She let him treat her friends like shit. Then, suddenly, 2-3 years ago we start to see her rolling her eyes at him and constantly looking irritated just having to be around him (which I don’t blame her for) and it was obvious that they weren’t getting along like they used to. This does not mean what he did was okay by any means but I do think that she hasn’t been 100% honest about everything. I believe they did have an open relationship but maybe agreed that it couldn’t be anyone in their friend group or in the Bravo family.

Petty-Bambi

For me, as a person struggling and dealing with mental health, one thing she did repeatedly that sticks out as especially harmful, is her cruel and mean use of borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder to vilify Kristen. I know other people did it to and they’re also wrong - Don’t get me started on Stassies whole segment of “diagnosing” the cast! But Ariana did it along with Tom at a reunion where it’s pretty obvious that they prepared it to make Kristen look bad. It’s really disgusting to me! Later she is all for being the champion of mental health, when she her self struggles - BUT I HAVE YET TO SEE HER TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR HER HURTFUL ACTIONS TOWARDS PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM STIGMATISED DISORDERS!

That’s it, and that why I side eye her hero status in the fandom.

Edit: a word

Ok_List_9649

Well finally the truth on this sub!! Along with everything you listed there were Many times where she was in a group or with someone who was talking shit about one of her friends or did something nasty to her friend and she not only didn’t stick up for her friend but smiled or laughed at whatever the person said.

She is not a girls girl or a good friend. These changes people say they’ve seen are non existent. She lied about Miami girl for 8 years watching her being trashed on SM a for years and said nothing. She only came out with the truth to show that Tom was a serial cheater. She’s never apologized to her. If that’s a changed for the better person I guess some people here have a low bar.

painted-biird

Fine Chiiiiiiinaaaa🫖

100% agree with everything you said- I’m glad she’s doing well for herself, but she’s trash.

cuntcake669

Agreed. I see people saying they don't want to see a Sandoval redemption arc when Arianna is getting one hell of one too. Why people think she's some goddess is beyond me, she's just as terrible as everyone else on the show.

Alarmed_Shoe_3667

I guess I’m curious at what point do we look at someone who has clearly put in hours and hours of therapy and has grown up and really worked on themselves and say yeah you did those things but you’re not that person anymore? I was super shitty in my 20s too but I’m not that person anymore. I don’t think we are revising history I think most of us are just able to see growth and accept that.

Individual-Insect722

Idk, I’d love to agree with that, but she hasn’t shown much growth IMO. During the scandoval season when scheana was having a meltdown about Katie not giving up her hotel in Mexico, Ariana not only joined in on the shit talking, but then walked inside and asked Katie how much she needed to offer her to give up the room. At this point they were business partners and supposed to be close friends. In this last season, when Lala was coming after Katie during the girls night astrology reading, Ariana just sat there while her supposed best friend and business partner was being steam rolled by LFU. I think she is only loyal to people when it benefits her or makes her life easier.

Kitchen_Body3215

💯

Kitchen_Body3215

I don't think there should be a timeline. I do think everyone should be given the same grace.

incestuousbloomfield

Yeah I did not like Ariana until much later seasons when she started speaking up more but I also feel like I understand where she’s coming from. I’m in their age group, and I think when this show started filming we were finally coming out of this whole “not like the other girls” culture. It takes a long time to unlearn that shit. I appreciate seeing growth. I think Ariana and Katie have both had checkered pasts in some regards (Ariana more than Katie), but what matters to me is where they are now. If it took Ariana getting cheated on to finally shake everything loose inside of her and make her realize she had to change some things about herself - GOOD! Most of us have a defining moment that changed our views and perceptions.

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

And, as I said, I’m here for that. I just wish there was more ownership of poor past behavior. Katie has a sharp tongue and she has misstepped to be sure. She is also much better about admitting those missteps and owning them as solely her own, rather than offering up an “yes it was wrong, but…” which Ariana is prone to do. Now if Katie could stop slut shaming and Ariana could take more accountability for shitty behavior and offer apologies/admissions without caveats, I’d have literally nothing to point out at all

MyccaAZ

You acknowledge in a few sentences what the OP is asking for from Ariana... Acknowledgement for previous behavior being wrong and that she's grown. I think many people would reasons very well to seeing that.

twinkleplanet

BE RILL

well, for one she was in her 30s for the vast majority of the list. also, i would be more convinced of her growth if ariana wasn’t still declining to take accountability. as recently as a year ago on the CHD interview she was deflecting what she did to kristen by talking about how toxic her relationship was with sandoval 🤷🏻‍♀️

everyone on the show has been held accountable for their pasts except for her and i don’t understand why she should get a pass when no one else does

No_Ur_Schmoopie

I am the Devil & don’t you forget it

Kristen admits her relationship with him was toxic & has admitted they each had a part in it. If she & Ariana now have a friendship why does Ariana need to be held accountable? I’m sure there are things you’ve done in your past that you will never have your feet held to a fire over so why do those on tv have to make penance to you for every single one? I bet there was a time when she didn’t recycle too!

twinkleplanet

BE RILL

if i was paid obscene amounts of money to appear on a reality show where my job was to process my emotions and explain my choices within the context of the show to the public, yes i absolutely would expect my feet to be held to the fire over a three-season-long storyline 🤷🏻‍♀️

ariana owes nothing to me and i never said she did lmao. i’m simply observing that she is still attempting to diminish what she did when given public opportunities to take accountability.

Character_Heart_3749

She has taken zero accountability and this is a really weird take from the comment above "well Kristen forgave her."

So!? Honestly, she shouldn't have. Ariana treated her like shit and the apology we saw was weak and vapid.

Kitchen_Body3215

💯

twinkleplanet

BE RILL

completely agreed! i’m not taking a single cue about how to think or what to value from the VPR cast of all people 😂

Silent_Lawfulness65

So can we hold her accountable for choosing to be friends with James who abused her friend Kristen?

rottinghottty

the silence is deafening

hereforthetearex

hints of c?#*iness in this wine

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coverthetuba

The stuff with her brother was especially appalling.

melanieissleepy

Saying Stassi “used whisper network tactics” gotta be the most online thing I ever heard 😭😭😭

mskmoc2

You are right. And Ariana’s ego soared when they started Tom Tom and she was a bit haughty. Later, she had to humbly come back to work at Sur! She has always been an odd person to me.

EstimateAgitated224

Well you have several points that involve Kristen and if they worked it out and producers never saw it not her fault. We have seen other scenes like this the Charli and Lala thing. She did back in the beginning bend and toe the line with Tom. But in later seasons she started to stand up to him. I think she grew. Also she was steadfast with who was her friend prior to the show. The other girls were co-workers. I am more hung up on I take sketch comedy seriously. 😐

FiFiLB

Don’t forget she gaslit Scheana when Scheana warned her during the photo shoot about Tom being about Tom, etc.

Ok-Astronaut-2837

I'm on season 5 of a rewatch and Ariana is truly awful at least until season 6. The only moment I enjoyed of her really until now is when she called Tom a little bitch about her cocktail book. You see that happen more and more as the seasons progress and she becomes so much more likable.

Everyone is always referencing the character growth of Katie and James but I think Ariana had a huge character growth during her time on the show, it's just overshadowed so much by how long she stayed with Tom.

NCGranny

While I agree with you, I will say that these instances were all years ago. It does seem in the last several years that Ariana has been a girls girl. I would hope that who I was then is not who I am now. We grow and we learn.

One last thing…who knows what kind of manipulative influence Tom had on her when they got together, just like he did Rachel.

badtothebono

I’m a newcomer to the series and binged watched all seasons in about 2 months (don’t judge me!). So when I started watching I already knew about the scandal. My friends have been long-time bravo and VPR stans. I would text them alllll the time with this same take about Ariana. People always say Scheana is a pick me, but this is the real pick me behavior imo. Always siding with the boys, defending Tom to the death, being a groomsman, knowingly going after a taken man, blaming women, etc. Tom and Ariana’s downfall was written in the stars from the beginning.