No the golem is mostly physical wood attacks I don’t think it can be absorbed that much. Also I doubt almighty push scales bigger. Six tailed Naruto resisted almighty push while the golem shattered susanoo covered nine tails. Idk how far the gedo statue would go. Remember edo hashi beat edo madara with rennigan. Nagato has madara rennigan afterall. Yeah they would be working together. I think the biggest threat is Obito who can teleport his teammates as well to safety. But I think hashi could use clones to distract Obito while he handles the rest. He also has his strong genjutsu abilities which I don’t think many of them have a response for. Nagato definitely doesn’t.

Well I mean feat wise hashi is definitely stronger than anyone of them individually. Healthy itachi and nagato has never been seen outside of edo so i guess we can make guesses. I just don’t see what they could do. For example neither nagato nor itachi cannot survive the 1000 hand wooden golem from hashi. Obito can teleport, but itachis susanno could not handle this and nagato doesn’t have anything to survive this either.

So then you think these 3 would beat madara and nine tails in a fight?

You don’t think hashi would win easily?

I don’t think so. I can’t see any way they would win. Hashi took on full strength madras + nine tails. And still won. I do not think these 3 come anywhere near madara + nine tails. Itachi especially wouldn’t even be a factor. I also don’t see what nagato could do. Maybe push and pull him a bit? Obito if he got the drop on him could throw him into kamui dimensions and would be able to phase through the physical attacks. But he has a timer on his kamui and hashirama can fight at full strength for a whole day while healing himself.

I mean, if you took every kage ever (except Naruto) and Akatsuki member together and fought hashi he would still maybe win

I never get the point of these. The difference of strength between the tiers is so strong you kinda have to pick 2 of $7. Goku is so much stronger than the rest that just him alone is enough to solo everyone. Also even within any tier it’s clear who to pick. Like what is almighty doing in $7? Or even in $5??

Madras doesn’t need to be edo or have rennigan. He also is pretty good at controlling the nine tails. Madara low diffs this. Teleportation is annoying as minato can always just teleport away I guess and then come back later. But madara would eventually find a way around it. As long he doesn’t get marked it’s all g.

Right he isn’t more vulnerable than the average shinobi or anyone. But when you go up against itachi or someone which you would need to, you need a pretty strong defense against it which he doesn’t have. So I think the top 10 genjutsu users alone could take deidara.

Top 10? Even excluding boruto…. Definitely no. Like if we are counting edos none of them would be affected by c0 anyways. You need a way to seal them. Also deidara is super vulnerable against genjutsu so all proficient members of those would win. All jinchueiki and tailed beasts would win. All kages would win. All notable uchiha. All akatsuchi at or above kisame would win. There’s many who got this

Tobirama solos. It’s funny that guy is considered a jock tho.

Idk what version of kakashi that is… is that part 1? If so then blondes. If kakashi can use kamui then whites…

I guess it depends on what the fight specifications. It might be possible for them to outlive goku if goku dies from old age.

Momo ez

I think when it comes to physical speed with no add ons (like Kurama or teleportation) then yeah he is.

What an absolute legend. What did I just watch. Mad respect.

I guess based off of the little we know minato. But we have only seen his achievements. I want a backstory to him… did he truly come from nothing? Same with orochimaru. I’m going with my boy kakashi. Yeah he had the genes of someone great, but he got no special abilities or anything really. His dad also passed away and he had to raise himself. He also had the best prodigy achievements . He also has the highest peak power. Also became hokage, mentored the strongest generation. Learned the most jutsu (except maybe orochimaru). Had the most clout from his village. All while battling the worst case of trauma and depression of all these people (except maybe itachi) which we know severely weakened him.

Why you gotta do my boy tobirama like that? Give him at least some kind of challenge. What’s the next match up gonna be? Sasori vs hashirama?

Obito. Obito without kurama. A one on one with minato almost won. Almost. Like I would say he was like 95% of minatos strength there. Even his sole feat of getting past Konoha undetected and stealing Naruto and controlling the kyubi made Minato say “are you madara?”. Now unless you think 14 year old itachi is 95% of minato. Obito 100%

Hmm. Homelander would make it to…. Ems sasuke? Maybe lower. How does he stop Amaterasu?

I would go konan. I think people like tsunade and sakura who operate on physical attacks so much have a weakness against these types of fighters that aren’t affected by the force. Like obito. I have trouble seeing what they could do to damage konan. But konan can fly around bomb them. The 1000 healing won’t help as konan can wait it out. …

I think the way it works is not even ocd but like the mind itself tries to do a lot of what ifs. It wanders to try and test different thoughts and feelings. If you pay no attention to the wandering it continues to wander but if you pay attention then it zooms in and keeps thinking about that topic….. people with ocd can’t filter these thoughts naturally and end up fearing and making the mind hyper focus on these thoughts. I’m not a neuroscientist or anything but what I’m trying to say is Litterly any feeling and thought can be brought to you by this way.

If it’s not in line with what you value. It’s not worth your time.

Yeah I think this comment is the answer. Tobi suffers from the problem that early on kishimoto didn’t suspect he would need to make him so strong later. And also he has minimal feats. Story wise tho by the end of Naruto he is supposed to be one of the strongest I think considering how useful he was against obito. Feat wise we have no idea so Kabuto can be argued for in that area but yeah lore wise I go with tobi

Without nine tails… maybe Naruto that fought gaara in part 1 lol. Feat wise he’s pretty strong. Gaara was stated to be sand jonin level +. And while transformer into shukaku Naruto held is own….. I guess that was still with nine tails help tho…. Entirely without nine tails…. Maybe very early shippuden? Pre kakazu

You bring up good points.

1. I agree that hiruzen is super hard to scale. Especially between time skips. Since kishimoto decided to up how strong people are in shippuden, I was giving hiruzen more leeway. In edo form he held off the gedo mazo when the entire rest of the shinobi alliance couldn’t and proved far more useful than sakura did. So I assumed out of edo form he would too. It’s up to opinion at this point

2. Well it’s kind of weird to scale tobirama too. Madara said he wasn’t brought back in full strength in his edo form. He didn’t use water style at all during his time there in edo. He is stated to have dead bodies ready I think and often use them to blow up in his opponents faces. Further more he was again far more useful than sasuke in the fight again obito. Tobirama is also super knowledgeable about the uchiha… it’s like his specialty so I think he can take sasuke…. Or at least hold him off until hashi takes Naruto. He could just teleport him away maybe lol.

3. Yeah we haven’t seen hashi and tobi do teamwork but edo tobi was the main strategist and combo maker when fighting obito. Also scaling izuna can be done by the statement that he was equal to madara strength at the time.

4. One final point is. Yes sakura is good at healing, but hashi is even better at it. So he could help the team too. And since hashis wood release is especially good for sealing tailed beasts, I think he can take Naruto, unless you think this version of Naruto with only half of kurama beats a full Susanna prime madara + kurama which hashi beat alone.

Most of this is guess work and opinions. But the hokages seem to scale higher imo.

Also this is a team battle rather than a one on one tobirama is pretty good in team situations. His teleporting, edo tensei with exploding clones etc would be hard to deal with. I would scale hiruzen> sakura and hashi + tobi > naru sas. Hashi and tobirama beat madara and Izuna.