At what point in Naruto is he strong enough to defeat Zabuza?
Vs BattlesThe Naruto that fought Kakuzu is regarded as being on a similar level to Kakashi, who is head and shoulders above the version of himself that fought Zabuza. He's probably the earliest Naruto that has a clean win without having to take Kurama amps into account. It goes without saying that 4-tails Naruto wipes the floor with Zabuza, and an argument could be made that his KN0 form from the start of part 2 can do it as well.
Going even earlier to part 1, Naruto has a wincon against Zabuza if he can summon Gamabunta, but there's a good chance he just leaves after being summoned. If Gamabunta stays, then part 1 Naruto beats Zabuza, otherwise it's a wash. I know there's the whole thing about KN0 Naruto on the bridge having more chakra than Kakashi, but I genuinely believe that Zabuza just skill-diffs him here. This is fresh out of the academy Naruto who has awful taijutsu, poor chakra control, and an under developed battle iq that is going to be even worse with his mental state. It's possible that Naruto tears him apart, but it's just as likely for Zabuza to stealth kill Naruto from the mist.
Valley of the End Naruto dies before he can go to his one-tailed form, but if he starts in it, he might have a shot. This version has more chakra than himself on the bridge, and is actually competent in a straight up fight. His cloak and regen make him far more durable, and his rasengan will outright kill Zabuza if it hits. Zabuza still has a chance with his mist and assassination strategy. Water prison is also a wincon for Zabuza, unless you believe that the one-tailed form's cloak would let him disrupt the jutsu. He still has the advantage in skill and experience, and Naruto is mostly feral at this point. This could go either way, but I'll say Zabuza just cause I don't want him to lose to kid Naruto.
To be honest… it could very well be when he was fighting Haku with the 9 tails chakra
I agree. Zabuza stated while he was fighting Kakashi, Haku was stronger than him with his bloodline ability and when Naruto tapped into the 9 tails chakra he beat Haku.
He may have said that, but there are no feats to back it up. He was probably just trying to rattle kakashi's cage.
that or he's effectively theory crafting, stating an on-paper case to make a point
if we examine their abilities, Haku's IS way stronger than water dragon or hidden mist jutsu
besides a handful of water jutsu, Zabuza is just an incredibly dangerous swordsman, where-as Haku is functionally a wizard-assassin from birth with his special bullshit
on paper, this is all true, it just doesn't account for Zabuza's veterancy, or Haku's soft personality, which Zabuza isn't thinking about, since he has his own idea of who Haku is, not really seeing him for what he is yet, it's not really until he dies that he starts to get Haku really
If Zabuza used his brain though and tried to get a sneak kill shot using mist he can probably take Haku naruto. At that stage he's pretty much just a wild beast with zero control or actual fighting skulls just raw strength ripping apart so playing it safe he could take him down
Naruto in Valley of the End using the same form as on the bridge was able to scream away a fireball jutsu from Sasuke. I bet he could use the same tactic to disperse Zabuza's mist
the "scream away a fireball" feat is always so insane to me lmao
like, how come bro got so angry he used almighty push???
why tf did he never do that shit again????
Bro I know. A real "fuck it, it's badass" moment from Kishimoto
I mean, he did when he was in the 3 tails state
It's funny because kid sasuke 3T was stomping stronger version of Naruto of that form.
Yes, Naruto and Sasuke are both stronger in the last arc than they are in the first arc.
Obviously. But the point is, zabuza was relative to part1 Kakashi.
I don't even believe that. I think the only reason Zabuza seems to be on a similar level to Kakashi is because Kakashi was responsible for looking after Team 7. If they were 1v1, then I think Kakashi would spank him
When Naruto, Sasuke were fighting haku, Kakashi was not looking for team 7.
Obviously Kakashi was stronger.
But I was more talking in terms of speed and power. And then being relative.
There's not that much big of a difference that Kakashi would simply blitz zabuza.
I agree with Stupid guy he washes em he never said he blitz em he saying low diff Kakashi wins nd frankly I agree.
No way part1 Kakashi no diffs zabuza.
Kakashi himself said he needed sharingan to fight zabuza.
It was mid diff atleast.
Funny how he didn't need it at all that fight to win.
Kakashi was still protecting the bridge builder and sakura, he couldnt use his full arsenal of abilities because if he got too far from the bridge builder zabuza would just kill the defenseless target he was paid to kill and then leave without actually fighting kakashi at all.
I was literally looking for this comment lol I agree he would have blitzed the shit outta Zabuza
With 9 tails chakra he could beat Zabuza at the start of shippuden.
Without it I'd say a little before the Kakuzu arc.
Probably Rasenshuriken Naruto.
Rasenshuriken Naruto def has stats to keep up with Zabuza physically, and has a jutsu strong enough to take him down.
Zabuza's mist and silent killing is what's the problem, but Naruto is not out of options.
He can either create hundreds of clones and escape the AOE of the mist, cuz Zabuza wouldn't be able to tell who's original, nor he'd be able to kill them all at the same time.
Another option would be summoning Gamabunta to clear out the mist, and then just tag team Zabuza.
And if we are counting Kyubi forms, idk, prob from 1 tail and up, Shippuden versions.
Depends if his chakra cloak is strong enough to block Zabuza's sword.
Literally, the Naruto that fought gaara. Naruto is familiar with his mist attack. im sure Naruto can find a way out of that. Clones, gamabunta. Honestly, the Chakra clock he had fighting neji would do it. Uzumaki barrage gg.
4 tail
Way overkill
Zabuza is hard to scale since he is not a power fighter. He is a stealth fighter who relies on hiding in the mist. His water attacks are fairly limited, mostly to water clones unless he has a water source. His jutsu are relatively slow with how many hand seals that he needs to do.
You can argue that enraged Naruto vs Haku was enough to do it.
Kakashi once he caught on to Zabuza's gimmick was able to quickly turn the tables (and from what Kakashi said may have been playing it safe early on since the mission was to protect a VIP). When forced into a straight fight, Zabuza is weak for someone at his rank.
When reanimated, Kabuto wanted him for the hidden mist jutsu, but other than that, there wasn't much that he offered. The other swordsmen of the mist held on a lot longer than him despite Kakashi having a significant amount of support.
Kakuzu arc
Ngl Naruto doesn’t even have to leave part one before he can beat zabuza imo especially chunin exams Naruto
The only chance part 1 Naruto has is by summoning Gamabunta
Narutos general battle iq is so low that hed fold to a lot of weaker enemies if theyre more experienced and less emotional until the time skip. He wouldnt do well vs jonin calmly trying to kill him.
Strong enough to win once he gets summoning but he still loses. mid high diff after the time skip, and it drops off exponentially as we go on. By the time he fights kakuzu its effortless.
With consistency and minimal ass pulls required to protect the MC? Post time skip Naruto wins through extreme difficulty, Sage Mode Naruto does it with low difficulty.
This is the correct answer.
The amount of people saying shit like "Sage Mode" is somewhat shocking. Yeah, Naruto doesn't have power levels like DBZ, but if you think Zabuza is anywhere near Pain's level I don't know what to say. Ditto for "Land of Waves arc Naruto"
The main thing Zabuza has going for him is the mist. Which is a big thing for him, yeah, but it's the only thing vs part 2 Naruto.
As soon as he got angry during the Haku fight. A naruto with a bit more control though and probably the one versus Neji where he utilised tailed beast chakra
Without nine tails… maybe Naruto that fought gaara in part 1 lol. Feat wise he’s pretty strong. Gaara was stated to be sand jonin level +. And while transformer into shukaku Naruto held is own….. I guess that was still with nine tails help tho…. Entirely without nine tails…. Maybe very early shippuden? Pre kakazu
When he summoned Gamabunta vs Gaara, he was way stronger than Zabuza at that point and the fight would be over quickly considering that Gamabunta is one of the strongest summons in the series. This was the time he surpassed Zabuza cause while Haku was stated to be stronger than Zabuza, he was definitely holding back against Naruto and Sasuke before getting overwhelmed by KM Naruto. So I don’t think KM Naruto scales higher than Zabuza or a Haku not holding back.
And even though the question was asking at what point was Naruto strong enough to defeat Zabuza, and summoning Gamabunta was the time he finally surpassed Zabuza, there’s still the debate on whether he’d have been able to get the time to summon him. So another time where he was strong enough was when he used his 1 tail cloak at the VOTE.
if you allowed valley of the end naruto to summon gammabunta he could def do it
Never
Chapter 1 the boy can make 1000 shadow clones
Due to the way jutsu and chakra work in Naruto it's really hard to guess. Certain skills just hard cancel out others.
However I believe at any point when using the 9 tails chakra naruto would have won
The moment he became able to summon Gamabunta
With Nine Tails he can be him with a lvl 1 cloak, without it I’d say post time skip
When he fought haku, without that cop out I’d say sasuke retrieval arc with ninetails chakra
Either Gaara fight Naruto, or Hospital Rooftop Rasengan Naruto.
Same day they met! Kurama wouldn't let him die
The Naruto that fought Gaara could do it. That Naruto 2k Combo on Partial Transformation Gaara and Explosive 1k years of pain would put most shinobi on a stretcher. It's also enough clones to flood the Mist and find Zabuza. Gamabunta would kill Zabuza if he thinks he messed with Gamakichi anyway though.
I'd say post three way deadlock. Maybe even post chunin exam.
Beginning of Shippuden Naruto is probably physically capable of beating Zabuza since he could fight with Kakashi with his sharingan out and keep up with him. This should make him somewhat comparable to Zabuza who similarly was able to fight sharingan Kakashi but wasn’t exactly his equal in straight up combat.
Now would that version of Naruto realistically win? That’s more questionable as he has no real counter to hidden mist jutsu or Zabuzas other more stealthy ways of attacking. It’s not impossible for him to win though.
Shippuden Naruto with a slight nine tails amp
The Naruto that fought Pain would wipe the floor with Zabuza
I don’t think it’s up for debate that sage mode Naruto effortlessly stomps Zabuza
I think genuinely by the end of part 1 with 9 tails rage
9 tail cloak vs haku form
Poor zabuza just had to be an early villain so the slander is real I suppose. People saying chunin exam Naruto beats him. That’s hilarious lol.
It depends if you believe it to be true when Zabuza claims Haku is stronger than him. If that’s the case bridge Naruto in his chakra form has the potential to kill him.
But Zabuza is like the only ninja in all of Naruto that fights like an ACTUAL ninja with stealth attacks and terrain use to his advantage. Goofy kid Naruto would have a hell of a time finding him unless the chakra form allows him to sense Zabuza somehow
That’s the issue with matchups like this. CAN Naruto kill him if he gets a good hit in? Absolutely. Will he get the chance? Who knows? But bare minimum potential wise, I give it to bridge Naruto
I'd argue for Valley of the End Naruto. At this point, he was probably on par with the Sound 4, which can be argued to be fighting at Jonin level considering they can hold their own against the Anbu. With 1 Tails he can out Chakara Zabuza, and I'd argue the strength and speed shown in his fight vs Sasuke was much higher than Zabuza vs Kakashi. They both have their win conditions, just Naruto has his more stacked. One's an assassin that uses stealth. If you put them in a field against each other, Zabuza gets stomped. You can argue, Zabuza uses stealth and catches him off guard, but that's like the Batman with prep time argument. I highly doubt he can speed blitz Naruto, considering 0 tail Naruto at the bridge out paced Haiku who Zabuza admitted was probably stronger.
Naruto with gamabunta in part 1, Valley of the end with Kuramas chakra, Shippuden Naruto in base
Naruto can't beat Zabuza on his own until Kakuzu.
W/o a nine tails rampage, probably not until he gets Sage mode. Before that, he doesn't have anything to combat Zabuza's skill set, but after it's so one sided it's ridiculous.
You missed the giant rasengan
And rasenshuriken
Before sage mode, Naruto only used that ability like a melee attack. Even still, where are you going to launch it while inside the hidden mist jutsu?
Dude, zabuza says himself that haku is stronger than him Naruto ends up beating him(with nine-tails but thats not against the rules in this match up), kakashi beat zabuzas arms out of their sockets in part one fast forward to shipuden when kakashi is obviously stronger and Naruto just got finished training under the toad sage for 3 years he’s on par with kakashi are you picking up what I’m putting down or do I have to say more
Idk why people keep judging matchups in Naruto like it's DBZ with power levels. Skill sets, kits, and counters actually matter in this series.
Just because someone statwise is on par or higher than someone doesn't automatically give them a chance or a win. You can have a slight stat advantage, but if your opponent either hard counters you (Temari vs Tenten) or can exercise an advantage you can't overcome (Deidara vs Gaara) you just lose. It is what it is.
For instance: we know Code is stated to be stronger than Jigen, but does anyone actually believe in execution Code's dumbass would actually beat Jigen 1v1?
What happens when zabuza is surrounded by a thousand Naruto’s? How will he figure out the right one? Moreover, how will he even fight them off? Oh btw they’ll most likely be armed with rasengans. like zabuza can play hide and seek but what else?
He'll sit there with popcorn while the thousand Naruto's attack each other since they can't see or distinguish friend from foe in the mist.
There's a reason Kakashi prioritized taking out Edo Zabuza during the war and why Kabuto regarded him as a valuable piece on his board.
Like I said he can play hide and seek but what else like boom zabuza gets tired of beginning of shipuden Naruto beating his ass so he summons the mist if Naruto uses multi shadow clone jutsu what can zabuza do besides just hide in the mist forever there’s no way he’s gonna cut through all of them without running out of chakra first
You mean other than the fact that they can feel their own chakra in eachother? So zabuza would just be able to hide and tire himself out dealing with clones?
Not relying on his crutch aka Kurama I’d say Naruto would be able to beat him after the timeskip the genin already proved to be jonin level and higher during Sasuke retrieval no reason a 3 year gap would put him over land of waves Zabuza
I could see final valley one tail naruto beating him.
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