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There is nothing that can be done to stop Climate Change. It will take decades before international relations can get to the point of global cooperation. We should all be preparing now, not preventing.
I agree in that it’s irreversible at this point, it’s basically just how we mitigate the level of destruction.
I am almost certain we will drain every drop of oil we have and burn it up before we switch.
Somehow I think there are many underground cities already constructed for the elite to bug out into.
I’m sure some exist, it just doesn’t seem so feasible with rising sea levels, required maintenance, etc
They would be constructed in the middle of continents away from faults. Feasible or not, there will be a market for the elites.
They would still require an incredible amount of maintenance, logistics, sourcing resources, etc. It’s so complicated to maintain and operate a society like that
The alternatives are a motivation😏
Honestly a safe society built into mountains or just built on an incredibly high sea level plane with bunkers are considerably more effective and realistic
The part of your argument I don’t get is why we wouldn’t stop trying to prevent while still preparing?
Because realistically we can't prevent climate change at all, all we can do is prepare. Stopping the use of petroleum products would plunge most of the world into misery and poverty.
All we can hope for is that we have good enough replacements when the supply finally runs dry, but realistically we're going to use every last drop of petroleum we have at our disposal.
I thought about going on a diet. But I figured it's too late, I'm fat now. I just need to adapt while continuing to eat 5000 calories a day.
You might want to get slim, but is the 2000 dollar package promoted by that youtube fitness influencer the correct solution for you?
Ok I’m just not gonna get behind that lmao
You don't have a choice, governments of the world aren't just going to not use billions of dollars worth of resources.
They already have and will continue to do so when the value of those resources drops.
This isn't true at all lol, US production of oil has increased by like 180 million barrels per year every year for the last several decades. Russia and Saudi Arabia have been consistently around 3.6 billion barrels per year every year for the last several decades.
Source: https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545
Oil prices are still at historically high levels…
Meaning that governments are more incentivized to extract and sell oil? What is the point you are trying to make here?
I absolutely do have a choice whether I want to continue to try my part to combat climate change.
This is made up and not true.
You sound like you simply don’t understand the issue. Preventing things earlier willl prevent millions more from dying.
Generally people like this don't form opinions, they're fed them. So a YouTuber most likely told them this opinion. You won't really find a structured reason they believe what they do.
Most doomers are chronically online with no critical thinking skills for miles.
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about you idiots and your optimism. One too many hugboxing videos or straight up denial that things will magically fix themselves. "The government will fix this!" LMAO
No one is saying that. We are hopeful we can have a better future if we do our part. It’s the same premise as believing in god
Someone been hitting the doomer porn pipe a bit hard.
You'll be long dead before climate change reaches the point of societal collapse. We were projected to hit that point in like 200 years, and that was before countries ramped up efforts.
Given the speed of advancements in technology it's a pretty safe bet we'll be fine. We'll have shit to deal with but it won't be ending civilization.
And regardless if it did or not it's not like you'd be alive to really care.
While you’re likely right, that doesn’t necessarily mean we shouldn’t take action.
These things may be true, but we should still be trying to do good shit now.
After all, what’s the harm in transitioning to cleaner energies, planting more trees, and minimising the chance of food and water scarcity?
So many governments are taking actions to the level that it even negatively impact civilians
What do you mean? Action is constantly taken. On research. On law. On regularion
What action can we take? A vast majority of the damage is caused by corporations, factories and the rich. Me conserving my trash undos Less than 1% of the damage from ts taking 3 flights on her private jet a day. You can say 'take action' all you want but the grim reality is that shit doesn't matter. The ones who can actually do something to make it matter won't. Better to focus on your own life and enjoy what you can
Spray stuff into clouds over the attic. Plenty of amazing things humans can do when focused on it
We were projected to hit that point in like 200 years, and that was before countries ramped up efforts.
Given the speed of advancements in technology it's a pretty safe bet we'll be fine. We'll have shit to deal with but it won't be ending civilization.
What about this says we aren’t taking action to you?
Shut up and wash your yogurt cup because climate.. /s
We ARE doing that.
I agree with your strategy, but none of those things will make any difference on the climate. There are no cleaner energy options that can be producing at the scale necessary to replace conventional options, and what technology we do have will require burning that much more conventional energy to manufacture and install it, so its a losing game. Maybe in the future we will come up with more efficient technology to make a realistic difference. Solar panels and windmills are not ever going to produce enough energy to replace the system as we have it right now.
I don't necessarily agree. It will be a slow frog in the pot...until it's not. Whether it's an ocean current collapse or some kind of major atmospheric shift, something will likely cause an unexpected timeline.
It may not happen in my lifetime like you said but I believe there's a notable chance. Hoping not.
Call me a downer if you want...don't care.
Humans as a species will be fine but the number and severity of disasters is getting up there now
Yeah, societal collapse is far from realistic. As for repercussions though, oh my Lord are there things the governments of the world have to enact as preventative measures for the people living right now
I live in SEA, and the heat wave this year is genuinely insane, especially since it's humid heat. There is a genuine safety risk for everyone involved, especially those that have to work physically outdoors. Schools have forced the students to wear their gym attire to classes, lest they get a heatstroke.
It's to the point where we are literally in our monsoon season, raining heavily for hours, and it is still sweltering hot. So hot, the instant you leave your cold shower you start to sweat.
The future is definitely not looking to hot.
Check out wet bulb temps and be prepared.
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14d
Um... Thank you for the threat...?
Some of us do actually give a shit about our children and grandchildren and greatgrandchildren
I know that what I can do to combat it isn’t much. I’m a single grain of sand on the beach, if that. But I want to be able to tell my grandchildren ‘I did what I could.’
"And regardless if it did or not it's not like you'd be alive to really care. "
That's what a million people in southern Brazil thought up until two weeks ago.
These are always weird responses when they pop up because climate change is already causing societal problems. Civilization will go on, sure, but that's not the problem. The problem is people being displaced and dying, and the economic hardship that happening at scale causes, along with entirely preventable "tensions" from idiots who don't want to see poor people or immigrants for some reason.
I don’t think we’re gonna see civilization collapse in our time, my daughter’s time maybe, but what I think we will see is the collapse of countries to climate change. Wet bulb events that kill millions. Droughts that make entire regions uninhabitable. And then I think you’re going to see famines on a scale to rival things likes the holodomor. Millions dying over the course of a few short years in places like Pakistan or North Africa. Those countries will empty into neighboring countries and I think this will create a reflexive authoritarianism in a lot of currently-democratic countries. I think there will be resource wars. I think there might even me genocides of migrants. But no, I don’t think the US or China is in any danger of collapse in our life times.
I am not so sure about "we'll be fine".... tho I am not sure about societal collapse either.
We will however experiencing food shortages and massively destabilising refugee crises within a reasonably short time scale...
I agree. While I'm a bit of a doomer myself, I think that the fact countries are even addressing it for realsies, even just to "placate the eco nuts," is evidence enough to me that climate change may not be the end of humanity.
That's not to say it isn't going to be catastrophic in the near term (<100 years).
The climate nutbars have been predicting the end of the world for 40 years. None of their extreme outcomes have come to pass. They crank up the hype and issue more ridiculous nonsense to keep everyone in fear but the relatively mild climatic changes are not going to end civilization and there is nothing we can do that would make a difference anyway. We should be focused on learning to cope with what change is coming, prepare for the different outcomes the best we can and carry on. Instead, we wasted a huge amount of money, and are dismantling the conventional energy grid without having a viable replacement ready. That is not smart.
It's not safe to say we'll be fine lol. Yes there's doomer porn but there's also tech will fox everything porn.
So does that mean Al Gore can stay home and not fly all over the world getting nothing done?
This is just the new version of climate denial.
First it was: 'Climate change is fake, so let's do nothing'.
Then: 'climate change is real, but it's not caused by us, so let's do nothing'.
Now: 'Climate change is real, caused by us, but we can't stop it. So lets fucking do nothing'.
Wouldnt be surprised if this narayive is activelly pushed by the same people and companies too.
Ironically, if we were capable of enacting your proposed changes, then we would also be capable of actually stopping climate change
I mean....if I can raise and give away trees....I am gonna raise and give away trees, I like oxygen and shade.
There is a lot that can be done, we lack the political will to do it. There are already a lot of climate deaths, climate refugees, and it's going to get a lot worse.
I understand why you think we can't get the political will and organization necessary to stop climate change, but isn't what you're suggesting even more expensive and difficult to accomplish?
I agree that there won't be a global solution. So another option is for individual countries to get their shit together. Waiting for some world government is just wasting time.
That’s just as unlikely as addressing climate change in the first place. Large scale public works projects led by competent and effective governments are a thing of the past
We should all be preparing now, not preventing.
Your post is based on a false dichotomy. You're acting like we have to pick and choose one thing to do and can only do that one thing. Your assumption is wrong. It's possible to simultaneously take measure to prepare and to prevent. Also, preventative measures can make the problem LESS bad than if you don't take preventative measures (even if a lot of damage has been done and is being done).
Your opinion is based on an oversimplification (this or that, black or white) when reality is much more nuanced.
Agree in spirit, but favor sea barriers and/or water disposal megaprojects over "moving towns/cities".
It will catch us unprepared like always.
I think this is one of those rare cases of an opinion that is justifiably unpopular but also inescapably true.
when other countries don't want to reduce their emissions, but demand the US does...
It isn’t possible with the understanding of technology we have and the tech we have at the moment.
People couldn’t conceive of what the modern iPhone would be in 1995 and we can’t conceive of what climate developments will happen in 10 years.
For example, if we had the capability to restore polar ice, what would happen? There are actually people saying it is indeed possible to do this.
How are you going to restore ice? Are you going to pull particulates out of the air, you can’t at scale. Are you going to eject a sulfite into the skies, good luck not overshooting or dealing with the new nuclear deterrent situation. I’ve heard there’s an ice maker on an asteroid, I guess that’s the most realistic solution.
My freezer has an ice maker...
Where's Elsa from Frozen when you need her?
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14d
I have a PhD in comp sci, I work in green tech, I’m not ignorant. Unlike you who has no apparent qualifications.
There's a pretty huge difference between upgrading a piece of tech that's the size of your palm and altering the entire world's atmosphere.
Explain how
Edit. This thread has been locked, but the poster below me has no clue how exponentially technology has developed in 30 years. This doesn’t just apply to iPhone, it’s just a simple example that every 15 year old on Reddit can understand. We don’t know what developments will happen in 10 years. I mean Kubernetes wasn’t even out 10 years ago.
The atmosphere weighs 5.5 quadrillion tons. Every phone ever produced combined doesn't even represent a fraction of that.
If you want to know how Climate change action will go, take a look back at the world’s Covid response. Humans talk a lot, but essentially are lazy and wont react until it is too late.
Covid response was pretty impressive
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The time to have comfortably avoided climate change was in the 1970s, IMHO.
Even now, mitigation efforts will be much more expensive and disruptive than actually trying to stop it.
And the effects are non linear. We have already taken out the worst case temperature increases. Efforts to knock it down another 1/10th of a degree are easily going to pay for themselves.
The fundamental flaw of this hyperbolic argument is that climate change is not a binary yes/no situation — that obviously couldn’t be farther from the truth. Every bit of carbon we stop from getting burned helps. Every bit of methane we can stop from leaking, helps a lot. We’re already making up a lot of ground, fast, and the difference between 2.2 or 2.3 degrees Celsius matters A LOT. Also, it’s just not very smart to frame it like we can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. Yes, we need to start preparing for the warming that is already on the way, but we can do that AND ALSO convert to a low carbon economy. Don’t be a doomer, don’t be a denialist, use your brain and think like a scientist. Thank you.
Well it’s not a thing. The people pushing it are the biggest contributors to it so it makes no fucking sense
It's nit a binary switch climate change occurring or not, it's a matter of how bad it will be.
If we don't focus on limiting carbon emissions, it will be far worse than if we don't...
Because literally no scientists is able to reverse it. They didn't go back to ice age to figureout which caveman cast the spell to melt all the ice. They only talking about slowing it down while eveyeone refused to deal with overpopulation that is one of the biggest problem.
Okay two things. You’re right about how we should put more effort into adaptation. But you’re so dangerously wrong about it being too late to stop climate change and it’s an extremely misleading framing to use.
Climate change is not black or white so the question of “is it too late?” is irrelevant. It’s already happening, and it will continue to happen for hundreds of years because of how long co2 hangs in the atmosphere. The climate problem is about the accumulation of emissions. It’s not it’s happened or it hasn’t happened, it’s how bad has it gotten. We’re at about 1.2C warming now and it’s bad. We’re likely going to cross 2C warming which will be very bad. But you’d still rather have 2C warming than 3C warming and so on. So that means it’s never ever a question of too late because it could always get worse. And also fwiw the international process moves too slow no doubt, but progress is being made, and progress comes from the fact international collaboration is working slowly but surely. Idk where you live but the UK is now recording lower emissions than basically ever, the cost of wind and solar energy is plummeting making the energy transition more feasible, there’s progress everywhere you look. Don’t get me wrong there’s still tons of problems and we’re not on the right path yet as a planet but we used to be on track for civilization ending mass extinctions and now we’re just looking at awful catastrophes and probably hundreds of millions of deaths and species going extinct. Obviously not good but better than business as usual 30 years ago.
Anyway bottom line point: every fraction of a degree of warming matters so never let the doomerism “it’s too late to do anything” bullshit be a part of how you move in this world. It’s not true and distracts people from the solutions we have.
I've always believed this. There is very little that can be done. If you have kids they might not live in a world as carefree as gen x.
I don’t think it’s too late but we should do that anyways, if only because regular scale storms and floods happen beyond current design limits at random intervals.
Yeah, sure, the worlds ending.
I want you to be wrong but you’re not.
I can’t wait for Scotland to be the new Mediterranean.
We still need to stop being morons and burning stuff for energy. But, at the same time - stop with the silly dream that somehow we can stop, or even slow, what is happening now. Plan on gigantic change and be proactive, not reactive.
The problem is that the only countries that this is being pushed on are already on board. The countries that don't care, don't care. Look at China and fmdo something about their mess.
The country with the most renewable energy by far? The country with 40% greater relative renewable share than the US? That China?
Yes the china that has produces more greenhouse gas emissions than the USA, India and the EU combined. The one that's still building coal power plants.
They also make all of the things. We (us/EU) are out sourcing their carbon emissions to China.
They have more people, if we did as well as them the world would be in far better shape.
You can't blame your way to a solution, especially when you're actually the ones to blame.
The real unpopular opinion is that whatever contribution humans have had on climate is small and that higher CO2 concentrations aren’t necessarily bad.
The real unpopular opinion is that whatever we’re doing to “fix” it is worse for society than if we did nothing.
The real unpopular opinion is telling people that economic progress (making energy cheaper) is the real solution to pollution and that CO2 isn’t as bad as every other type of pollution.
The real unpopular opinion is that caring about C02 is a luxury belief and that you’re not going to convince someone in a third world country that can barely feed their family that they should suffer some more because some rich kids in university told them them world is going to end if they don’t stop burning coal to heat their house.
The real unpopular opinion is pointing out that they have been making these doomer claims for 50 years and none of them have come true.
The real unpopular opinion is pointing out that time itself will solve the problem as the less gullible eventually figure out that nothing bad has happened.
Lol "the real unpopular opinion is a bunch of shit I made up" haha
I still try to do what I can. It's not much by why trying to create commercial incentive for businesses to be greener, I hope to have a wider impact if many of us do it.
Stuff like buying bio-degrable corn starch bags, taking my own bags shopping, composting food waste, reducing fossil fuels where possible (can't get an EV yet but its on the list). I even pay more for power because it's supposedly sourced from renewables, which I think just means they buy X amount of power from a renewable source equal to my usage.
Maybe I'm a sucker and wasting money but I can't think of much else to do to help fight climate change as an individual.
Sure we can
Nuke France and we solve two problems at once!
INTERNATIONAL TRADE USES WAY MORE FOSSIL FUEL THAN YOU WILL EVER USE IN YOUR WHOLE LIFE.
Moloch
The market is already solving climate change. Solar panels, batteries, and EVs are taking over very quickly.
I have friends who are climate scientists and basically feel the same way as you.
The only solution may be a smaller human population.
I don't need to prepare for anything. By the time anything bad happens I won't be around. If we go through an apocalypse I don't plan to survive it lmao.
Yup. I’m buying land in the new green zones because there is no way that we ever tackle this in a reasonable amount of time.
If every world leader took psychedelics, I bet they'd knockout a solution by end of the week
this isn't an unpopular opinion it's just factual reality.
even if the climate doesn't change most ecosystems on the planet are functionally fucked regardless, they're currently not even dying because of the weather they're succumbing under the pressure of habitat loss that's largely from human development i.e agriculture, at this rate there's not even going to be anything left to burn to begin with, all it would do is require humans to use slightly less air conditioning to live a more comfortable life on a largely desolate planet.
I’m not sure you know what ‘factually’ means.
I'm sure you don't.
If Krypton didn’t have a chance, neither do we.
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