What other company displays such commitment I ask you
What other company displays such contaminants I ask you
16 times the detail
1x the detail for every re-release of Skyrim
Only in east coast ,the west coast (NCR) had state structures and infrastructure or it used to have until bethesda nuked the NCR
Yeah, nah, the TV show aint canon for me. I place it in a diverging timeline from the games' canon for that very reason.
Also the show mixed up Shady Sands and the Boneyard
Seriously? I have a theory that Bethesda wants to bury any content that was made by interplay and obsidian...
Too schizo for me, i think it was more of an oversight
Except Todd has said he doesn't want to do that, but even then shady sands nuking was written by the showrunners and not Todd.
But didn't he say that the TV show is canon to the rest of the series?
Todd says a lot of things.
We sort of live with it.
He did yes, the show doesn’t really retcon any major story plots. The shady sands nuking happened after the events of new Vegas, and the “downfall” of shady was more of a “fall of Rome” that happened over time, most likely due to the incredibly thin state the NCR put themselves in by expanding into the Mojave and fighting for the Hoover dam.
the “downfall” of shady was more of a “fall of Rome” that happened over time, most likely due to the incredibly thin state the NCR put themselves in by expanding into the Mojave and fighting for the Hoover dam.
This is literally all conjecture lol. You and no one else has any idea if this is true. I think people are reading way to far into it and the fall of shady sands is them literally getting sent back to the stone age by a minuteman 3.
Yeah, we definitely don’t have a concrete telling that any of it is true. But basing it off of what has been said in interviews and the whole blackboard debacle really points to this being the case (shady sands “falls” before new Vegas, but the writers have said the bombs fell after). Ultimately until we get the next season, which is probably why they kept it so vague, no one can say for sure.
The end of the TV show literally shows new Vegas lol. How could they be burying obsidian if the whole next season will be new Vegas?
Oh right, I mean we're still yet to see what the show writers will do to New Vegas
Edit: Not that I want the tv show to be bad or anything
The running theory is that the NCR pulled a "everything is Shady Sands" move to throw off the enemies
That's just stupid. If the NCR did such a big change it would have been broadcasted on radio and newspapers thus screwing the point of the change
I thought Shady Sands getting nuked was great story, but Vault-Tec being directly responsible was not
and somehow civilisation degenerates to a fallout level like the NCR didn't even exist ,even though the boneyard was very politically significant for the NCR(I remember an npc saying that kimball had funds tied in the boneyard)
They had the most amazing opportunity to have it be the courier do it, start to nail down the canon endings for new Vegas and allow todd to stroke his wasteland boner at the same time.
Mild disagree on that count... I like that they left the player choices out of canon, so the losers who didn't side with Mr House can still enjoy the show. ° ͜ʖ ͡°
Hate to break it to you buster but seeing as house is confirmed as a charecter for season 2 that means houses ending is almost certainly cannon. The courier nuking the ncr with the nukes from the divide would be more palatable for me. But it's just fucking stupid in general the ncr was nuked especially by vault tech.
Wait until the next Fallout game makes it canon.
I agree, everything passed fallout nv is canon or semi canon, Bethesda should just honesty stick to elder scrolls. They don’t understand fallout clearly.
As a TES fan sick of waiting for a game that was announced and had a teaser trailer six years ago but probably won't release for another four years, please.
Tbf nuking every successful civilization to push their "Vaults are the one and best hope for humanity! :)" narrative is definitely something Vault-Tec would do.
Todd sees a functional civilization and has a stroke. Todd only likes cobbled together shacks and piles of garbage unless you’re the super awesome megachad Brotherhood of Steel, of course
unless it's the player who can fix settlements as nobody attempted to do that for the last 200 years
Todd wasn't even the one that came up with the nuking, it was the showrunners.
Except for fixing those runways they use literally every day or having functioning toilets.
Even the first game had post war construction, basic adobe but still full on construction while diamond city is still a shanty town well within post-post-apocalypse timeframe.
Even the pioneers in Appalachia built nicer buildings for camps way earlier
Yeah Junktown and shady sands
Shady Sands was nuked, not the NCR. It's not confirmed that the entire republic was destroyed, it's highly unlikely considering how far spread their territory was in New Vegas. It's not like those living in vault 4 since the nuking are even aware of what's going on up top considering they deem banishment a death sentence.
th thing is that we don't know
Interviews revealed “this isn’t the last we see of the NCR” but only time will tell what state they’re in.
That's a relief
Worth mentioning that Toddert & Co. weren't the ones that came up with and championed the Shady Sands/NCR getting BTFO'd, that was the folk behind the actual show.
Real.
Worst part of Fallout 4's immersion were the fucking shit shacks. Like dosen't this take place in Norther America? Who do these mf's survive the winter? How hard is it to go cut down some trees and put some wood cabins up at least?
How hard is it to go cut down some trees and put some wood cabins up at least?
Surprisingly hard. If you don't know how to do that you wont be able to built anything better than a shack.
You'd think in 200 or so years they would have learned through necessity. But whenever they actually try, Todd shows up at night to trash the construction sites.
200 years is an eternity. 200 years ago dudes were killing whales to get oil. 200 years ago was pre light bulbs, telephones, and cars. Ships were still made of wood up until the 1800s.
When still running steel plants, robots, and other advanced tools are around you'd think they would have a head start. Hell all the books and holo tapes still playable they must have some ideas of how to make things.
Guess todd took them all.
The thing that bugs me is the games take place in the ruins of the biggest cities. There would be 1000s of small towns in the middle of nowhere all across America where the initial nukes wouldn't have fallen. So all the existing buildings would've been intact in the immediate aftermath of the war.
Maybe post war fallout and scarcity and collapse of organized society mean things are a little ramshackle now, but I would have to think every survivor in the big cities would bail to small town America and restart from scratch there. Or some small towns would enjoy their relative intactness and rise to become the new jewels of the wasteland
I know what I just said, but it is just a fantasy, don’t think about it too much? You can ruin anything if you scratch below the surface. E.g. how well do you think high school would have gone for most people when there are petrification and memory wiping charms.
The games dont feel like 200 years at all after the end, at most 30 years
Gotta admit, when first seeing ANYTHING from fallout, i always thought every vault dweller got into the bunker and then left within one normal human lifespan.no extension through sci fi medicine, no stasis, just going underground and coming back up 10, 20 maybe 30 years later. Fallout 4 introduced cryo pods, which would also make sense
But at some point its hard to believe that the apocalypse is still apocalyptic after 200 fucking years. Sure ghouls and some remnants of the old world dont go away but it should be pretty easy to have the basic living standards that a man in the wild west gad. And they were making boots shirts pants and houses with farming equipment. And that was all WITHOUT tech from older advanced times. You find any river and have some materials, you can get yourself electricity (and that is literally the easiest part)
Fallout is just... Style over logic. Which is okay. It has a very unique identity, but you just kind of gotta not think too hard about 200 years of time that kind of just didnt have an effect on the world.
According to lore they just kept blowing eachother up like
Building a woodcabin? Making wooden boards? Impossible...
Repair and maintain 200 year old generators, weapons etc.. Easy af.
yea, that's knowledge easily passed down from vault dwellers and things like that. they had machines, who the fck is building a log cabin? I don't know anyone that can build a log cabin, I know people that can get a car or gas generator running.
I don't know anyone that can get a car or gas generator running, but I know people that can rail your ass for hours.
In case of a nuclear war I'll be boned.
seriously there are so many ass daddies just waiting for the nuclear war to happen so they can endlessly rail tight holes for hours
Fallout (of your gaping anus)
They say once you clap feral cheeks, it'll make your knees weak
Fisto doesnt count, dude.
I promise you building a log cabin is not as complicated as getting machinery put together
Yeah I agree, it was a moronic statement.
Case and point: Haiti
One would assume that they're capable of putting 2 boards flush against the other, rather than leaving enormous holes everywhere.
It's hard to build a log cabin, I'll grant you that. But it's hard to do, not hard to figure out. It's literally just a matter of sufficient manpower to build something sturdier and better insulated than the pile of old plywood and sheet metal full of holes that most wastelanders seem to be living in.
Also i feel like log cabins are the sort of thing where you pretty quickly build on experience.
Sure, my first log cabin will look horrible if i build it with 10 buddies, but the third one? Probably way closer to what a professional would build, compared to my third attempt at a revolver from scratch (not to mention bullets)
Wasteland survivors were doing a 1 int playthrough
Didn't the collapse of the minutemen result in almost all the settlements in the Commonwealth collapsing? Except for places like DC, Goodneighbour and Bunker Hill, the settlements the SS helps are fairly new, hence they're not really that built up.
Worst part of Fallout 4's immersion were the fucking shit shacks. Like dosen't this take place in Norther America?
How does this ruin your immersion? You guys literally live in shit shacks with cardboard walls.
The soil is radioactive
YOU’RE RUINING THE IMMERSION
Bethesda Moment
Todd dissaproves...
It just works
A E S T H E T I C
except it's not good aesthetic and actually hurts to look at
Seriously. These survivors of nuclear apocalypse have zero taste whatsoever
I finally started playing this game. Only a decade late.
I got to the history museum and put on the power armor, then jumped off the roof and thought it would make a big bang when I hit the ground like it dies in the show.
Not even a little screen shake lol, my immersion was obliterated into tiny shards, and it reminded me that I need 10 million mods to make any Bethesda game playable.
Dafak you talking about, when you jump off in a power armor you definitely make a loud shake and also deal damage to nearby npcs. Maybe you got a bug, but all of the things FO4 can be criticized, power armor is not one of them
Power armor in FO4 is probably the best in the series and the only thing FO4 made best.
I haven't watched the show, didn't know there was one until this post. Definitely not going to watch it until I've played the game through. Probably be a year or two.
The show is genuinely good and was easy to follow for someone who normally doesn't play fallout, unlike other shows based on videogames.
Ah, okay. How is it for spoilers, though?
I'm not sure because I haven't beat Fallout 4, but from what I hear all of the games and show take place many years apart so there are only slight spoilers.
Nah fallout 4 and the tv show are on different coasts
The most you see is that the Commonwealth Brotherhood rears it head at the beginning bit that's all
Great. I appreciate the info. Thank you for taking the time.
The show doesnt spoil Fallout 4 by any means. There is not a single connected character, its it own story in fallout universe
The show doesnt spoil Fallout 4 by any means
It actually does.
It's set 10 years after Fallout 4 and the Brotherhood in the show arrive . They also mention at one point are canon.
I mean, yeah, but i don't think that's the dots new player will connect. If anything, it just says "one of these 2 endings seems to be canon". It doesn't tell you something that will ruin a new game experience
Well there's about 10 games
me too! 6 hours in right now
Was just watching Furiosa last night and couldn’t help but laugh that they’re able to build these elaborate pristine custom battle vehicles and a whole ass town churning out an apparently endless supply of fuel for them all, but are still all basically just sleeping in dirt.
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I mean, a prime example is Immortan Joe. He was a Colonel in the Australian Army during the water and oil wars before the fall of civilization. So definitely still plenty of people around that knew what the world was like before the apocalypse. It isn't too farfetched to think that some of them would form cults and brainwash people so that they could maintain power. Especially if most of their followers were born after the end of civilization and have no semblance of what things were like before. I mean, I'd join a V8 worshipping cult lol
Install mod that adds all pre-war items to the settlement builder
make the most badass post apocalyptic/cyberpunk city ever
Install mod that makes Preston Garvey shut the fuck up about settlements
Give Mama Murphy a lifetime supply of chems
mfw she fucking overdoses and dies
Make Marcy Long the town whore and charge 10 caps extra to have Jun Long watch
notice a flying aircraft in the distance
notice a scrawny twinkish looking fellow at the front of it holding a megaphone to his face
"Attention everyone! You WILL fear us! And you WILL hand over all of your tech!"
Install America Rising mod
Wipe out the Brotherhood of soy
claim everything they have in the name of the Enclave because their armor is better
Install mod that gives me a mommyclaw companion
Life in the wasteland has never been better.
Ayo lemme know if there's a quality Deathclaw companion
But fission batteries are finite and already showing sighs of ending its resources. So all that free power will stop working.
But fission batteries are finite
Very conviniently they all deplete in the same month the vault dweller gets out.
I read in one text that actually fission like that would survive precisely that amount of years, though, as author said, devs probably just guessed it by chance.
Wasn’t New Vegas the same way? I guess you can explain it as “people lived in tribal bands for the first few hundred years and recently started to actually build major cities.” I also think lack of power tools explains a lot of the issues, and power generation in general would be a huge issue, since there’s no easily accessible coal anymore. One of the predictions about what a post nuclear-war world would look like is that it would be essentially stuck in pre-industrial times, due to lack of easy power generation. Wind and Solar both rely on complex machinery to make, which would require coal powered factories to produce.
They didn't just leave gaping holes in houses in pre-industrial days.
Yeah fair, they should at least be patched up with planks or something. Also, maybe people can remove the skeletons from their houses at some point.
You'd think.
It's hard to believe everyone would have that kind of fetish.
The actual New Vegas was in ruins for a period of time and MR House did make a deal with the three families (who were tribals at the time) to maintain order.
But if you're talking about the Mojave, according to the game most of the settlers are new. When the NCR moved east and discovered New Vegas, people started flocking to the Mojave. So a lot of the infrastructure is brand new.
That's because no one from Bethesda ever got to Vault City.
lack of resources and education != stupid
"anything new is pre rusted" I don't know why but I find this extremely funny.
guys whats the shark doing up in this main page
wtf i never seen it
I've always thought fallout should have been set much closer to the collapse of society than it is.
Never understood why they built so many shit shacks in fallout 4 when there is so many standing houses to use
Lights that lasts 100+ years is very possible but light bulb companys understand that is would be bad for them to release them.
They nuke every 20 years dipwad
same problems as with zombies settings. humans bad is the meme to exploit, setting before logic and storytelling. it's cool and all, but I don't wonder anymore why people aren't more optimistic about humanity and it's future, it's because there's almost no media where humanity matured as a species and "won" against barbarism, death and social injustice. the society in star trek is one of the few optimistic examples, but most ones are just saying "oh, humans are bad and animals and we sre only a few laws amd policemen away from being Somalia" I get tired of it real quick, like having someone at your side that's constantly nagging about every small setback, never commenting on anything good
I mean the people and equipment that built those power sources died 200 years ago
I can't recall who said it, but I remember seeing a tweet that said something along the lines of "Bethesda has zero interest in exploring how a society recovers after a nuclear apocalypse. They want people to forever live in filth and never progress past where they are." This was said around the time it was revealed Shady Sands was destroyed.
It's a bit hyperbolic, but it feels like there's some truth to it. In Fallout 4, the only places that are clean have been carefully maintained since pre-war. Everything else is dirty and ramshackle, with little in-between. Largest town in the Commonwealth, Diamond City? Everything has a layer of grime, even inside. A settlement that needs to present itself as welcoming and reminiscent of pre-war America, Covenant? Close to being clean, but there's still garbage lying around and dirt filling corners of houses.
tltr:op is ret@rded and thinks 200 year old shit will looks like new
you cant find a fucking 500kg of bricks,concrete and steel in some shitty house to BUILD from a scratch new house.
its the point is the survival,not a "my bed is dirty ill better sleep on a floor". you need to make homes fast enough to go next,wasteland is not your mom basement there tendies is just appear on your silver plates - in fallout you need to get to the next place every several years to just stay alive (im talking about capital wasteland where you cant even grow food in this irradiated soil)
the "holes in buildings" and stained beds is part of only new settlements - Diamond sity have good NOT rusted houses and have pretty good living in it
Anon is clearly talking about the settlement building.
- You can build shit out of freshly smelted metal but everything you build already has rust and grime.
- You can build walls out of wood and/or steel but you can only build patchwork shacks that have massive gaping holes in the walls.
- You can build beds and furniture out of clean cloth, yet anything you build out of them is already stained and ripped.
i dont think sole survivor capable of building full brand new homes for a bunch of useless idiot what he doesnt even know
They don't need to build full houses but it's plainly fucking stupid that they can't build a wall without covering the huge hole in it, or a bed that doesn't have tears and exposed springs considering they're apparently building them from scratch (building a bed requires cloth and wood, not mattress and bedframe).
all questions to howard who did it,maybe all this raiders,skeletons and mutants is not enough to understand its a apocalypse
I guess there's nothing to write at Bethesda right now, huh?
they start paying writers only while they was doing f76 lol
4 is literally f3 remaster
finding dad? yes. (he either way called father lol)
making something what will change the whole region? yes (probably minuteman/bos is canon)
destroying bad guys with high tech? yes either way.
liberty prime? yes.
dlc with island with some insane fanatics in it? yes.
Just glad you found steady work.
knowing whats now happening i wish it wasnt joke.
I think you people are taking Fallout too seriously.
Maybe they are just all albinos
Oh no my heckin video game!
Oh no my heckin video game
Oh no I must suck Todd and Emils big fat cocks for shitty writing and design choices that paint everyone besides the main charecter as a stupid fucking dumbass idiot!
Oh yeah you must buy this video game and then suck dicks
Todd personally stains all the beds