Overall, which version of Naruto do you think is more popular and known to the gp? Og or Shippuden?
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Nah OG. Most people who start the show know of kid naruto and are shocked to find out about shippuden
“The most popular”. Naruto and Naruto shippuden, some of the deepest and craziest scenes were in shippuden. We all know kid Naruto yes, but most people got an emotional attachment to the Naruto in shippuden. The saddest and more emotional part was in shippuden, hence why Naruto shippuden has almost 200million more views than Naruto
I mean i rewatched shippuden a good 24 million times so that could be it
Real one 🫡
Probably Shippuden but I fucking love the OG way more than Shippuden, the Chunin Exams were so fucking good!
OG was better from a storytelling and foundation aspect. Shippuden was better for action and fights but the story was weak.
Agreed
Weren‘t the best plottwists and Backstories the Story had to offer in Shippuden? Kinda weird take.
Shippuden is where it became wizard battles.
🤦🏿♂️ Yeah sure.
lol bro your living in zaza land
Are you talking about yourself?
I think OG Naruto is a 9/10 masterpiece with minimal problems. Shippuden just had good fights.
1. Naruto coming back after 2 years didn’t learn any new moves, didn’t learn chakra nature nothing but a bigger rasengan.
2. The side characters weren’t developed or looked at at all. It was all about Uchihas and Kurama and Naruto.
3. The destiny and reincarnation BS just proved Neji right. Naruto and Sasuke shouldn’t be no reincarnation. I’m fine with similarities but reincarnations is wack.
4. Sharingan became stupidly op (Susanoo, Izanagi, Izanami etc) Sharingan should’ve only been jutsu copy and top tier genjutsu. Rinnegan being op is fine imo. But it shouldn’t have been related to the Sharingan at all, it should’ve been like some divine thing or a complete mutation that only happens 1/1000000 to a random person.
5. Kaguya
6. Hashirama cells was just a way to justify any plot holes
7. Naruto not becoming chunin or Jonin. He should got chunin after coming back to the village then Jonin after saving it. Would’ve been Fire asf if he became a sensei with his own team.
8. The scaling kinda got too high. Wasn’t even ninjas no more it became about gods. Boruto should’ve been where everything gets op asf.
Naruto shippuden is good but those are things I wished they did or changed.
About your 3rd point I think it was specified as transmigration not reincarnation. Hagoromo said that Naruto and Sasuke were destined to fight again and again but they broke that cycle and effectively goes against what you said.
Besides being transmigration did nothing for them since they never really got specific power boost from it. Like there must've been others before Hashi and madara but they weren't relevant and Naruto also never got mokuton or even any kekkai genkai from the Uzumakis.
Also I kind of expected power levels as shown in war because the starting of the series introduced us with Kyuubi capable of demolishing mountains and cause Tsunamis with a swish of a tail like I'm pretty sure that was how it was introduced.
You kinda made me not even take your comment seriously, when you said that Shippuden only had good fights 🤦🏿♂️. When it comes to emotional impact, Character Writing and just goated plot twists, which were better than in OG, I fail to see how anyone can seriously think that way.
While i respect the opinions of various ppl and find that everyone can have their own takes about the show, it's mostly ppl like you who either reduce a whole show to a single aspect and ignore everything else about it because of your own bias, which I don't like tbh.
-1. Naruto not becoming significantly stronger during the Time-skip, served to make his reliance in the Nine-Tails all the more evident, which in turn helped not only his own but also Kurama's Characterization. Kurama became a risk for Naruto rather than an plot device like in OG. His own weakness also promoted his growth and progress we saw In-Story rather than being off screened. Furthermore his rather little improvement compared to Sasuke or even Sakura just highlighted how much of his Strength was due to Kurama in OG, than his own Strength.
-2. So what is then about Shikamaru, Gaara, Chiyo, Jiraiya etc...? Don't reduce the whole side cast to the Konoha 12, specifically speaking of Neji or Rock Lee when these two weren't even needed for the Plot or the Story.
-3. Your comment doesn't make sense, Naruto did break the destiny which was supposed to came with being a reincarnation, by not killing Sasuke. Furthermore the fact of them being the reincarnations of Hagoromo's children's didn't grant them with any power or advantage. Naruto became his power up, because every Tailed beats agreed to give him a portion of their powers and Sasuke awakened the Rinnegan after being pumped with Hashirama cells. The Sun and Moon seal returned to Hagoromo upon the sealment of Kaguya, so what was that about Neji being right? The sole advantages they would have had, was that of being born as the descendants of Indra and Ashura, so being born as an Uzumaki and an Uchiha.
-4. That's just your personal preference. I like that the Rinnegan heritage and existence in the Story wasn't just resumed to being a dumb coincidence, but the result of a plan already being in work for a very long time. The Sharingan power-ups don't really bother me, perhaps the Izanami or the Izanagi somewhat, but both weren't used much in the Story outside of a couple of events.
-5. 👍🏿
-6. Can you name me the plotholes rather than repeating popular takes.
-7. Again that's just your own preference, I fail to see how it would have played a role for the Story if he were to be Chunin or Jounin, the most it would have done would have been to change his outfit (which would have been a good idea imo).
-8. The power creep is real, but also linear to the Story. It didn't became overboard until when Madara became a Jinchuriki's and the stuff with Kaguya happened. While I don't like the Power creep in the last 50 or so Chapters of the Series, I liked how the strategic and tactical approach to the Story didn't change but became even better.
-OG is like an 9/10 and Shippuden a 9.3/10.
While your other points are appropriate, there's one major thing you got wrong about. Hashirama's cells didn't help Sasuke awaken the rinnegan. Hagoromo made it clear that reincarnates stop being reincarnates after they finish their role, which means Indra's and Ashura's chakra no longer resides within the bodies of their reincarnates nor cling to their souls. Hence why Hagoromo called Madara and Hashirama as individuals who used to be reincarnates.
The version of Hashirama's cells Kabuto used on Sasuke didn't possess Ashura's chakra. The reason why Sasuke awakened the rinnegan is because Hagoromo gave fragments of his own power to him including Naruto (tho in Naruto's case, he also received the Bijuu chakra)....besides the seals they were given. This is made clearer when Hagoromo said to Kakashi that he gave Naruto and Sasuke both the power
If what you're saying were to be true then Madara wouldn't have awakened the Rinnegan decades after Hashirama died in the 1 Great Ninja War. That wouldn't make sense. Even if said reincarnates finish their turn as such, it doesn't mean the property of their Chakra changes or they remains wouldn't still possess the same Chakra signature they always had.
Ashura and Indra choosing new reincarnates after each cycle, doesn't mean the precedent reincarnates don't retain some of their Chakra in them. The same way as Kinkaku and Ginkaku retained the Nine Tails Chakra inside them, even after their death. Furthermore if Madara wouldn't have possessed Indra's Chakra anymore upon being revived, then he wouldn't have been able to control the Rinnegan and even further to become the vessel of Kaguya. A further side note would be that Hagoromo himself stated that the torn lower body of Madara effectively contained the Chakra of Ashura and Indra, which is why Hagoromo was able to appear before the Hokage.
Another point would be that Edo Madara awakened the Rinnegan because of the hashirama cells Kabuto infused into his body, which wouldn't have happened if said cells did not contain some of Ashura's Chakra.
That both got abilities besides the seal is frankly not explored and not even the point. Fact is that Naruto power-up by becoming a pseudo Ten-Tails Jinchuriki and Sasuke's power-up which granted him the Rinnegan are not the direct result of Hagoromo's doing.
The reason why your hypothetical argument doesn't disprove my position is because Madara already absorbed Ashura's chakra from Hashirama's cells, had it within his body AND it took A LOT of time for Ashura's chakra to merge with Indra's chakra to evolve into Hagoromo's chakra within Madara's body, which made Madara awaken that rinnegan. There's a reason why Ashura's chakra didn't disappear from Madara's body after Hashirama's death.
So Madara awakening the rinnegan decades after Hashirama's death doesn't disprove my position.
You are mistakening and unknowingly equating a contra distinction as a contradiction to disprove my argument, which doesn't actually work in your favor
The same way as Kinkaku and Ginkaku retained the Nine Tails Chakra inside them, even after their death.
Kinkaku and Ginkaku permanently attained Kurama's chakra which is massively different from reincarnates having the chakra of the individuals who are clinging to their souls, residing in themselves when they are reincarnates. Hence why even after absorbing Kurama's chakra, the Kurama chakra in them didn't disappear.
A further side note would be that Hagoromo himself stated that the torn lower body of Madara effectively contained the Chakra of Ashura and Indra, which is why Hagoromo was able to appear before the Hokage.
If you're gonna quote Hagoromo's words, do it properly. Hagoromo said "Madara with the ten tails and Hashirama...rather Indra and Ashura's chakra have BECOME one" contextually saying that it was his own chakra which made him appear before the Hokage.
Why do you think he said all that despite Indra and Ashura's Chakra merging into Hagoromo's chakra ages ago when Madara awakened the rinnegan before he finished being a reincarnate FROM HIS OWN WORDS and Indra not having the Ten tails meaning the chakra he possessed was totally different from The current Madara who is no longer an Indra reincarnate? Because Hagoromo has a habit of talking hyperbolically at times.
Same way he said that the Ten tails revival will bring about the world destruction to Kurama even though the world wasn't destroyed...saying Madara is following Indra's and Kaguya's will despite the three of them having very different wills and Hagoromo saying Madara is longer Indra's reincarnate meaning he is no longer influenced by Indra's will. He was being hyperbolic to emphasize the consequences of similar mindsets, certain actions and certain processes hence why he talked about Indra's and Ashura's chakra becoming one when he could've just clearly said it was because of his own chakra
Also before the instances you are quoting, Hagoromo called Hashirama as a former reincarnate of Ashura. He mentioned during his talk with Naruto that since Naruto is a reincarnate of Ashura, Ashura's chakra is clinging to him. Him later saying there was former reincarnates, Madara is no longer Indra's reincarnate and Hashirama used to be Ashura's reincarnate...means Ashura's and Indra's chakra no longer resides in them.
Furthermore if Madara wouldn't have possessed Indra's Chakra anymore upon being revived, then he wouldn't have been able to control the Rinnegan
Indra's chakra is not needed for Madara to control the rinnegan after all, Indra never possessed it. Its made clear when it's shown he only possessed the sharingan and when Hagoromo said he gave Sasuke and Naruto "both the power" unlike the time of his sons implying about the time where he didn't give Indra his powers. Indra's chakra is simply a factor needed to be merged with along with Ashura's chakra... it is the chakra that results from the two merging...which is Hagoromo's chakra that made Madara being able to control the rinnegan.
Another point would be that Edo Madara awakened the Rinnegan because of the hashirama cells Kabuto infused into his body, which wouldn't have happened if said cells did not contain some of Ashura's Chakra.
Edo Madara awakening the rinnegan has nothing to do with Hashirama. Kabuto never mentioned it was because of applying Hashirama's cells on Madara's Edo Tensei body that his Edo Tensei self awakened the rinnegan. The only things that Edo Madara gained from Hashirama's cells are his wood style, more chakra reserves and the ability to adjust to Hashirama's advanced techniques such as his senjutsu since the rinne Tensei transformed Madara's Edo Tensei body to a living body. How exactly Kabuto made Edo Madara attain the rinnegan is unknown
That both got abilities besides the seal is frankly not explored and not even the point. Fact is that Naruto power-up by becoming a pseudo Ten-Tails Jinchuriki and Sasuke's power-up which granted him the Rinnegan are not the direct result of Hagoromo's doing.
If you want to accept that, then you'll have to accept Obito gave all the bijuu chakra to Naruto even though Obito only extracted small portions of Shukaku and Gyuki's chakra. Also Madara himself made it clear that Naruto and Sasuke possesses parts of Hagoromo's powers by referring to his title Rikudou same way Kabuto referred to Hagoromo as Rikudou. Hagoromo later said that he gave Naruto and Sasuke both the power meaning he directly gave them parts of his powers
The reason why your hypothetical argument doesn't disprove my position is because Madara already absorbed Ashura's chakra from Hashirama's cells, had it within his body AND it took A LOT of time for Ashura's chakra to merge with Indra's chakra to evolve into Hagoromo's chakra within Madara's body, which made Madara awaken that rinnegan. There's a reason why Ashura's chakra didn't disappear from Madara's body after Hashirama's death.
So Madara awakening the rinnegan decades after Hashirama's death doesn't disprove my position.
You are mistakening and unknowingly equating a contra distinction as a contradiction to disprove my argument, which doesn't actually work in your favor
Madara taking a lot of time assimilating Ashura's/Hashirama's Chakra into his own doesn't disapprove anything. Your point was to deny that said Hashirama cells could contain Ashura's Chakra upon his death , as his turn as his reincarnate would end. As Madara only awakened the Rinnegan in old age it means that said Chakra only managed to be assimilated at that point of time and not before that. By the time Hashirama was dead, his cells shouldn't have contained Ashura's Chakra anymore and the assimilation wouldn't have been possible by your logic. As long Madara didn't manage to actually merge the two chakra's to develop a semblable of Hagoromo's Chakra before Hashirama died, the Ashura Chakra contained in the Hashirama cells inside Madara would have disappeared and the assimilation would have failed.
If you're gonna quote Hagoromo's words, do it properly. Hagoromo said "Madara with the ten tails and Hashirama...rather Indra and Ashura's chakra have BECOME one" contextually saying that it was his own chakra which made him appear before the Hokage.
Why do you think he said all that despite Indra and Ashura's Chakra merging into Hagoromo's chakra ages ago when Madara awakened the rinnegan before he finished being a reincarnate FROM HIS OWN WORDS and Indra not having the Ten tails meaning the chakra he possessed was totally different from The current Madara who is no longer an Indra reincarnate? Because Hagoromo has a habit of talking hyperbolically at times.
Same way he said that the Ten tails revival will bring about the world destruction to Kurama even though the world wasn't destroyed...saying Madara is following Indra's and Kaguya's will despite the three of them having very different wills and Hagoromo saying Madara is longer Indra's reincarnate meaning he is no longer influenced by Indra's will. He was being hyperbolic to emphasize the consequences of similar mindsets, certain actions and certain processes hence why he talked about Indra's and Ashura's chakra becoming one when he could've just clearly said it was because of his own chakra
Also before the instances you are quoting, Hagoromo called Hashirama as a former reincarnate of Ashura. He mentioned during his talk with Naruto that since Naruto is a reincarnate of Ashura, Ashura's chakra is clinging to him. Him later saying there was former reincarnates, Madara is no longer Indra's reincarnate and Hashirama used to be Ashura's reincarnate...means Ashura's and Indra's chakra no longer resides in them.
-1. Yes obviously. That is literally what I mean by saying that Hagoromo only could appear because the lower body of Madara contained Ashura, Indra's and Nine Tails Chakra, which created a semblable of his own power that much is obvious. Furthermore you didn't seem to comprehend the point I wanted to make with that statement.
You seem to think that Edo Madara possessed Hagoromo's Chakra from the get go or something in these lines to explain how he could possess Indra's and Ashura's Chakra. That even though the Show made it painstakingly obvious that Ashura's Chakra comes from the Hashirama cells Kabuto implanted in him and lead him to awaken the Rinnegan during the battle against the 4th Company. The LITERAL FACE on his Torso is telling everyone as much. Which means that the Hashirama cells implanted in Madara's Torso contained Ashura's Chakra, which is evidently contradicting your own thesis.
Madara may have accessed Hagoromo's Chakra before his death and awakened his Rinnegan, but that was only because his old decripit body actually assimilated Indra's and Ashura's Chakra into one which took long years to do. The Edo Tensei Body of Madara doesn't have the the same adjustments as his old body, he was only able to awaken the Rinnegan because Kabuto actually experimented on him and fitted him with the Hashirama cells. Of course if these Hashirama cells contained Ashura's Chakra, it only means that Madara had to possess Indra's Chakra to awaken the Rinnegan.
-3. As I already said, them finishing their "turn" as reincarnates upon death doesn't mean they don't possess Ashura's and Indra's Chakra anymore, but only that the spirit of said demi-gods choose the next host to actually reincarnate in
Indra's chakra is not needed for Madara to control the rinnegan after all, Indra never possessed it. Its made clear when it's shown he only possessed the sharingan and when Hagoromo said he gave Sasuke and Naruto "both the power" unlike the time of his sons implying about the time where he didn't give Indra his powers. Indra's chakra is simply a factor needed to be merged with along with Ashura's chakra... it is the chakra that results from the two merging...which is Hagoromo's chakra that made Madara being able to control the rinnegan.
... And to obtain Hagoromo's Chakra he needed to obviously have Indra's and Ashura's Chakra. Indra's Chakra which he had himself and Ashura's chakra which comes from the Hashirama cells implanted in him....
Edo Madara awakening the rinnegan has nothing to do with Hashirama. Kabuto never mentioned it was because of applying Hashirama's cells on Madara's Edo Tensei body that his Edo Tensei self awakened the rinnegan. The only things that Edo Madara gained from Hashirama's cells are his wood style, more chakra reserves and the ability to adjust to Hashirama's advanced techniques such as his senjutsu since the rinne Tensei transformed Madara's Edo Tensei body to a living body. How exactly Kabuto made Edo Madara attain the rinnegan is unknown
So we gonna ignore the discussion Kabuto and Madara held about this topic are we?
Chapter 560:
-Kabuto: " As I thought the natural progression of the Sharingan... is the Rinnegan" -Madara: " I awakened the Rinnegan just prior to my death, Kabuto was it? What did you do to this Body?" -Kabuto:" I told you, I made you even greater than when you were alive" -Madara:" You who are not even an Uchiha, managed to decipher the contents of the Stone Tablet." -Kabuto:"I'm merely testing out a hypothesis formulated by Lord Orochimaru and myself" -Kabuto:"And now you are proving that hypothesis true, you are able to achieve a piece of that God... The sage of six paths Power. Thanks to the Power I built into you" -Madara:"Don't misunderstand it is not power of your creation."
... It is painfully obvious Kabuto implanted the Hashirama cells into Madara to let him awaken the Rinnegan, which he did and lead Madara to immediately ask him what he did to his body as well as confirming that Kabuto knew the actual method to awaken the Rinnegan.
If you want to accept that, then you'll have to accept Obito gave all the bijuu chakra to Naruto even though Obito only extracted small portions of Shukaku and Gyuki's chakra. Also Madara himself made it clear that Naruto and Sasuke possesses parts of Hagoromo's powers by referring to his title Rikudou same way Kabuto referred to Hagoromo as Rikudou. Hagoromo later said that he gave Naruto and Sasuke both the power meaning he directly gave them parts of his powers
-Madara only said that Naruto and Sasuke possessed both parts of the power he himself wields. - And yes Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke part of his Powers in the form of the moon and the sun seal, which was obviously illustrated in such a fashion. - Well not exactly, let's not forget black zetsu had the other half of Kurama which Obito got and put inside Naruto. But yes even though Madara said that Obito only got the power of the 1 and 4 tailed beast, he assumedly extracted a little part of the power of each tailed beast.
Madara taking a lot of time assimilating Ashura's/Hashirama's Chakra into his own doesn't disapprove anything. Your point was to deny that said Hashirama cells could contain Ashura's Chakra upon his death , as his turn as his reincarnate would end. As Madara only awakened the Rinnegan in old age it means that said Chakra only managed to be assimilated at that point of time and not before that. By the time Hashirama was dead, his cells shouldn't have contained Ashura's Chakra anymore and the assimilation wouldn't have been possible by your logic. As long Madara didn't manage to actually merge the two chakra's to develop a semblable of Hagoromo's Chakra before Hashirama died, the Ashura Chakra contained in the Hashirama cells inside Madara would have disappeared and the assimilation would have failed.
Go improve your reading comprehension skills first. The way Madara awakened the rinnegan doesn't disprove my position. He already absorbed Ashura's chakra meaning those very extracted Hashirama cells that Madara possesses (not the ones in Hashirama's body) no longer contain Ashura's chakra as the chakra has been forcibly transferred from Hashirama's flesh into Madara's body...even though Madara applied that flesh on a part of his body. Hence why, my position doesn't contradict itself as Madara's body still housed Ashura's chakra even after Hashirama's death
Still don't understand what I mean? Them let me dumb it down for you. I said Madara ALREADY completed absorbing and taking away Ashura's chakra from Hashirama's cells. Meaning Hashirama was no longer the only one who had Ashura's chakra within him as Madara tampered with the reincarnation system and has gained parts of Ashura's chakra and made the chakra exist within his body. The reason why my position doesn't imply that Ashura's chakra disappeared from Madara after Hashirama died is because Madara's actions created an irregularity which weirdly worked in his favor. Your reading comprehension skills are so bizarre that you think my position on everything about the reincarnation is based on absolutes and there can't be exceptions and/or law changes.
Hence why Ashura's chakra remained within Madara's body as the quantity of Ashura's chakra Madara possesses is not the one residing in Hashirama's body. Hence why despite Hashirama's death, the Ashura's chakra within Madara's body wasn't affected and continued to exist within Madara, didn't merge with Indra's chakra to evolve into Hagoromo's...until Madara was very old and/or near to death
You seem to think that Edo Madara possessed Hagoromo's Chakra from the get go or something in these lines to explain how he could possess Indra's and Ashura's Chakra. That even though the Show made it painstakingly obvious that Ashura's Chakra comes from the Hashirama cells Kabuto implanted in him and lead him to awaken the Rinnegan during the battle against the 4th Company.
First of all, the series never made it clear from the get go that Ashura's chakra exists within the Hashirama's cells which Kabuto implanted in Madara. Instead it's made clearer, that those cells which have been attained after Hashirama's death....no longer contain Ashura's chakra.
All of these implications are established when Hagoromo himself made it clear that being reincarnates of Ashura and Indra involves their Chakra clinging to the souls of the individuals they have reincarnated in. Why do you think he made statements essentially further justifying the implications through "Before Madara finished being a reincarnate", "Madara is no longer Indra's reincarnate" and "you are kind, former reincarnate of Ashura" to Hashirama? Because they no longer possess the chakra of the two within themselves anymore
The LITERAL FACE on his Torso is telling everyone as much. Which means that the Hashirama cells implanted in Madara's Torso contained Ashura's Chakra, which is evidently contradicting your own thesis.
No it isn't, your generic headcanon telling everyone doesn't actually reflect what the series is saying. Go learn how contra distinctions works. You don't even understand the complexity of the matter and using overly simplistic thinking
Madara may have accessed Hagoromo's Chakra before his death and awakened his Rinnegan, but that was only because his old decripit body actually assimilated Indra's and Ashura's Chakra into one which took long years to do.
Lol funny how you say Madara "may" have accessed Hagoromo's chakra when Hagoromo clearly says it is because of his chakra, Madara attained the rinnegan. We know Madara used Hagoromo's rinnegan for his motives, so he did have access to Hagoromo's chakra albeit fragments of it. Also your but doesn't even disprove anything I said.
-1. Yes obviously. That is literally what I mean by saying that Hagoromo only could appear because the lower body of Madara contained Ashura, Indra's and Nine Tails Chakra, which created a semblable of his own power that much is obvious. Furthermore you didn't seem to comprehend the point I wanted to make with that statement.
You misquoted Hagoromo's own words and have the audacity to say I didn't comprehend your point. These cheap tactics isn't helping you. You clearly said it was because of Ashura's and Indra's chakra. Hagoromo used synonymous language in a hyperbolic way to say it was his chakra. Otherwise going by your logic, Rikudou Madara had Ashura's and Indra's chakra even though Hagoromo made it clear that Ashura's and Indra's chakra no longer exists in Madara as they merged together to evolve into his/Hagoromo's chakra.
Edo Tensei Body of Madara doesn't have the the same adjustments as his old body, he was only able to awaken the Rinnegan because Kabuto actually experimented on him and fitted him with the Hashirama cells. Of course if these Hashirama cells contained Ashura's Chakra, it only means that Madara had to possess Indra's Chakra to awaken the Rinnegan.
As I said before, how exactly Kabuto made Edo Madara gain the rinnegan is unknown. For all we know, Madara's corpse could have already had remnants of Hagoromo's chakra OR maybe Kabuto experimented with Edo Tensei to revive Madara in his old age, extract Hagoromo's chakra and then change Madara to his former prime and experiment with Hagoromo's chakra so that the former prime version of Madara's body can access the rinnegan
Once again, Hashirama's cells doesn't contain Ashura's chakra anymore. Hagoromo literally proves it after saying Hashirama used to Ashura's reincarnate meaning Ashura's chakra used to reside in Hashirama by clinging to his soul but no longer...since Hashirama's role as the reincarnate is over
-3. As I already said, them finishing their "turn" as reincarnates upon death doesn't mean they don't possess Ashura's and Indra's Chakra anymore, but only that the spirit of said demi-gods choose the next host to actually reincarnate in
Once again headcanon, you're using a statement from Hagoromo referring to his own chakra through synonymous language in a hyperbolic way. Also even if we accepted your position for the sake of argument, it's not going to disprove anything I said. This would just mean Kishimoto is being inconsistent with his own series. After all, he made Black Zetsu stab Madara in the back and bring him down despite Madara having multiple limbo clones on the battlefield and sensory abilities that are far greater than Zetsu's. Good luck on defending absurd nonsense
... And to obtain Hagoromo's Chakra he needed to obviously have Indra's and Ashura's Chakra. Indra's Chakra which he had himself and Ashura's chakra which comes from the Hashirama cells implanted in him....
Literally debunks nothing I said
So we gonna ignore the discussion Kabuto and Madara held about this topic are we?
Nowhere does Kabuto say that hypothesis involves Hashirama's cells 💀. The only time Hashirama's cells was clearly mentioned regarding the awakening of the variant of Hagoromo's rinnegan that Madara attained was when Hagoromo explaining that
- Hashirama's cells had Ashura's chakra
- Madara absorbed Ashura's chakra from the cells,
- Ashura's chakra now resided in Madara's body despite Madara not being his reincarnate
- These processes are all results of Madara tampering with the cycle, creating an irregularity
- When Madara was very old and/or near to death, the chakra of Ashura and Indra which resided in his body started to merge and evolved into Hagoromo's chakra
- Since Madara attained Hagoromo's chakra, Madara attained a version of Hagoromo's rinnegan
-Madara only said that Naruto and Sasuke possessed both parts of the power he himself wields.
Read these parts of my reply AGAIN:
Also Madara himself made it clear that Naruto and Sasuke possesses parts of Hagoromo's powers by referring to his title Rikudou same way Kabuto referred to Hagoromo as Rikudou. Hagoromo later said that he gave Naruto and Sasuke both the power meaning he directly gave them parts of his powers
Madara saying Naruto and Sasuke possesses both parts of power which he Madara possesses doesn't disprove my point that the powers in question belong to Hagoromo. Madara only identified himself as a possessor not as the actual owner of those powers
Well not exactly, let's not forget black zetsu had the other half of Kurama which Obito got and put inside Naruto. But yes even though Madara said that Obito only got the power of the 1 and 4 tailed beast, he assumedly extracted a little part of the power of each tailed beast.
Thanks for reminding that. I forgot about that lol but~ still doesn't disprove my point. Though let me add a certain correction unlike a certain unnecessarily biased person: Obito gave Kurama's other half to Naruto along with remnants of Shukaku and Gyuki's chakra... but that's it. NONE of these are enough to attain Hagoromo's senjutsu
This is made clearer when Hagoromo said to Kakashi that he gave Naruto and Sasuke both the power
This statement was made in comparison to ashura and Indra with how hagoromo gave his son ashura his title but left nothing for indra which started the cycle of feud between them and we know ashura inherited no power from hagoromo so it necessarily did not imply giving powers in the literal sense
While your other points are appropriate,
Not just appropriate they're correct, shippuden is far better than og Naruto
The reason why your hypothetical argument doesn't disprove my position is because Madara already absorbed Ashura's chakra from Hashirama's cells, had it within his body AND it took A LOT of time for Ashura's chakra to merge with Indra's chakra to evolve into Hagoromo's chakra within Madara's body, which made Madara awaken that rinnegan. There's a reason why Ashura's chakra didn't disappear from Madara's body after Hashirama's death.
Following the logic of Ur argument ashura's chakra should also not reside in madara's body due to their tenure as reincarnations already ended, madara absorbing ashura's chakra should not be a reason for ashura's chakra to remain in a foreign host when the current reincarnate has already completed his role, both of their chakra would transmigrate unto new sucessors, Ur whole reason for this was a conjecture at best anyways
you talking about plottwists and backstories being good but they rely on og naruto to be a banger
And what? OG is literally the foundament of Shippuden so of course that's normal, but that doesn't change that said plot twists were developed and executed in Shippuden and became goated in Part 2 and not Part 1.
Second half of shippuden. First half was alright except for a few arcs
Agreed the OG just hits different
I remember the first time being extremely hyped about the show when Naruto fooled Zabuza into thinking he was a Shuriken via Sasuke's Shadow Shuriken Technique and throws a kunai knife at Zabuza. It was so fucking cool, even today when I see that scene I get chills, what a great multi layered move by Naruto to disrupt the powerful Jonin.
Zabuza fight was so good, that first battle was the perfect introduction to how brutal the ninja world was. That agonizing feeling of not knowing what would be the outcome is what I loved about the original series. Really wish that vibe had stuck around for shippuden
And like, a fight against a stronger opponent, but the kids have a clear goal: make him move his arm. You see them work together (well...) and do some awesome shit while being smart, then we see the OP Kakashi in action for the first time!
To throw out a complaint real quick: why did they drop the copycat parts of the sharingan? Like, we see it used here, and then Sasuke steals taijutsu from Lee (which, also like, what? Couldn't anyone do that? Like Naruto steals half of it, but okay), and then never again..?
Only other time i remember seeing it is kakashi and the rasengan. But i dont think it was stated if he copied it or he learned it himself. Might be the latter cuz of minato
Nothing compared to the tactical and strategical prowess used in Sasuke Vs itachi
Agreed , and for any DBZ fans I prefer the original dragon ball series more than dbz or db super
Writing was better tbh
facts og naruto is so goated
Man, I remember being on the edge of my seat for the written portion! shit was wild
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Shippuden, though OG Naruto is definitely also memorable and popular.
That's my pfp
Hey, that Naruto guy kinda looks like you
Where can I find a guy like this?
Ugh
A guy with a fox demon inside of him?
Kinky
Putting those 9 tails to use
Fox demon in da sheets, hokage in da streets
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OG Naruto is popular around people who are not into anime and watched back when it was broadcasted/streamed in Cartoon Network or so.
Just because Shippuden material is overrepresented in anime/fandom places doesnt mean is more popular.
OP is asking for the general public, which OG Naruto is way more known/popular than Shipudden. I ask any rando about Naruto, they’ll prob say the dude in the orange jumpsuit. They’re thinking of OG Naruto orange jumpsuit, not his design in shipudden. Also, when you straight up just google “Naruto”, you see OG Naruto stuff first.
Exactly. Anime is already considered to be childish or the most to be young teens. So most merch that’s for the general public will be using the og anime since they are kids and kids will buy them more so than an older Naruto.
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It's the OG for sure.
Lot more items with OG drawings and colors than shippuden.
The OG jacket/jumpsuit is iconic
I didn't expect people to vote this much for Shippuden. I think the general, not anime watchers, recognize child naruto
Was there a poll?
Shippuden, by far.
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I always figured OG Naruto because the shirts at target are of OG team 7 with kakashi but I guess maybe I’m wrong?
As far as the GP goes, probably OG Naruto
What does GP mean?
Giant penis
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This is an anime sub so it's biased. Among my friends that don't watch anime they recognize OG Naruto but can put together that Shippuden Naruto is an older Naruto
Before watching, I new Og Naruto as the orange boy with renaissance collar
Interesting I definitely would have thought the OG was more common.
OG to non anime watchers, Shippuden to the general anime watching public
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OG establishes foundations and limits.
Shippuden surpasses the limits. Exploring tons of forbidden jutsu/experimentation and the origin of ninja.
Really great series. Animations in both were amazing.
I feel like its og but a lot of people seem to think shippuden
OG and my reasoning is the colours. When I picture him I imagine blue and orange and not black and orange.
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OG. Anyone saying Shippuden is only looking at it from within the echo chamber of reddit and anime media. To the average person with no interest in anime, obviously OG Naruto is way more recognisable. Obviously.
Shippuden is way more recognisable and that‘s not even a contest. Not everyone watched the series when he was kid, so many ppl know of the series due the highlights they randomly saw of it in YouTube or in various other social media platforms. And the absolute majority of said highlights are from the Shippuden material and not OG.
I disagree. The most shared and well known fight is the Gaara vs Lee fight from the OG series. The most well known designs are the OG designs, you see them on most merch. OG is way more recognisable.
Look time changed. It's not 2014 or 2016 anymore. The most merch I saw being marketed when it comes to Naruto is about Shippuden and the best highlights I see being widely spread on various Social media platforms is also about Shippuden.
The Kakashi vs Obito fight already became the "new" Rock Lee vs Gaara fight a long time ago and is way more recognized in the general public. A look on YouTube, Tik Tok or Instagram should already tell the Tale.
Well I guess I’m just showing my age then. I’m 31, I don’t have TikTok 😂
Yeah see, you’re falling into the echo chamber trap I mentioned before.
“Most merch I see is about Shippuden, most clips I see being shared on socials are Shippuden”
Yeah man, YOU see o YOUR socials. Because you’re interested in it. The average person’s Youtube algorithm doesn’t put Naruto Shippuden clips anywhere near their front page.
You’re doing that thing where you think your life experience mirrors everyone else’s.
If you follow a Naruto subreddit and your argument for Shippuden being more recognisable is “well I see more clips from Shippuden popping up on my timeline”, that doesn’t hold a lot of water, does it.
“The Kakashi vs Obito fight already became the “new” Rock Lee vs Gaara fight a long time ago and is way more recognized in the general public.”
brother if you actually think this, you’re so out of touch with the general public it’s wild. in reality, only people who watched shippuden or already have a general interest in anime and fights are even aware of kakashi vs obito.
you see those clips everywhere because your algorithms are angled to what you, and people like you, are interested in. you see these fights more often because your algorithm knows you want to see edits of anime fights and after a decade, the lee/gaara fight is played out to someone with your interests, who has seen it hundreds of times. so they show you the newer stuff. billybob27 the anime fight editor is also tired of making edits of a 20 year old fight, he wants the newer cleaner animations to work with. so that’s why you see what you see on socials.
but i promise you, your average chick who gets gym, diy home improvement, food, and cat videos on her instagram and tiktok has NO CLUE what that fight is or where it’s from. gaara vs lee you at least have a chance of them maybe recognizing it through years of cultural osmosis. stuff from og naruto is a hundred times more recognizable to the general, non-anime-sphere public than anything from shippuden aside from MAYBE naruto showing up with the frogs at the pain fight.
really tho, the most recognizable part of naruto to the wider general public is the akatsuki cloud, which you can kinda count as being part of both og and shippuden
Google picked OG Naruto, so I'm stealing its answer
Bro needs ai to decide lol love em both!
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OG Naruto has more episodes..?
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Shippuden by far no contest
Shippuden fs
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bro it’s obviously og
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Shippuden 🔥
I wanna say Shippuden but I remember when I first got into Naruto and knew nothing about it I LOVED Kishimoto’s OG Naruto design! I could tell it comes from the Goku school of design with bright orange and blues, but an underrated aspect of character design is posing and the way early Naruto had those poses down was legendary. Naruto’s character design and the poses Kishimoto would give him made the titular character a perfect mascot.
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Honestly, OG. It took me awhile to get adjusted to Naruto's new uniform in shippuden
You're not going to get an accurate answer from Reddit, especially on this subreddit. Exposure is stacked towards Shippuden.
If I google Naruto, the first results are the OG orange jumpsuit. That's not an exact science, but it's an indication of the exemplar imagery generated by an algorithm governed by popularity and relevancy.
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As time went on Shippuden Naruto became more recognizable but back in 2006 when I first got into it, OG Naruto was everywhere.
OG was better imo but Shippuden was def more popular to the masses.
Shippuden as early as 2018. Search naruto in google and count, shippuden naruto is more recognizable post 2015 id say og naruto
Hmm Id say Shippuden as power creep just means he had better feats. Kurama infused moments were more prevalent and harder in pt.2. He got to show strategical prowess against Pain and Kakazu, and he finally won the heart of the people that resented him for so long.
Shippuden …. Nah! Boruto 😂😂😂
gp? I don't know, Naruto is Naruto, dattebayo.
Probably shippuden Naruto, that version is what’s on merchandise that the GP sees in stores like Walmart and target
Shippuden. Seeing Naruto more mature was a paradigm shift for many.
Shippuden, since they use his design more than both kid and Boruto
I would think Shippuden is the definitive Naruto for most people
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Sage mode specifically. When he shows up to fight pain that was gangsta
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I like shippuden
Shippuden I remember it being on Cable growing up
Shippuden, also did like Part 2 better.
OG. Random anime merch usually have OG design. Iconic arcs people would know is usually the chuunin exam.
People think of Naruto as a rascal, hot headed kid who hates the authority, instead of what he matures into in Shippuden
I think it depends. Shippuden is more popular between anime/manga fans, but I think the original is more well-known with the general public.
Shippuden but my two cents on it is that og naruto design was better much more detail in the outfit goated side character outfits and just overall better aesthetic
The orange one
OG is because he wants to be the next Hokage! 💥
OG's definitely more popular and well known. I think Shippuden Naruto is just as well known to the fanbase, but even non-watchers know Naruto much better by the image on the left than the right.
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I was told when I decided to finally watch Naruto that Shippuden was the real deal! Honestly… I like OG way more. Chunin Exams will forever be GOATed
Definitely Shipudden, I didn’t even know Naruto spent a good portion of the manga as a child till I started the series
I didn't watch Naruto until after I graduated high school. I would say the design of the OG is more known to the general public solely because there's a lot more promotional material for it at stores like hot topic and such. I definitely remember seeing that one more before I watched.
Whenever I see merch for the franchise in nerdy stores and stuff, like 85% of the time it’s the Shippuden era of him shown. So I would say that one.
The original premiered in 2002… Chances are audiences remember the second version.
Definitely Shippuden version of Naruto and just Naruto Shippuden in general
Oh
Boruto
Maybe one day tbh
better question is which one has the better ost. naruto in general has some of the best osts in anime but which version comes out on top
OG is iconic.
That's the guy from fortnite, right?
Guys yesterday I had a weird dream. In that dream shippuden Naruto is banging shippuden ino. And Sai watching and taking notes about emotions. Is this normal? Am I safe or insane?
You watch way too much porn
Bro what
Edit: wait I misread that as Shippuden Naruto banging OG Naruto not banging Ino
Less of a bro what but yeah horny. Tbh there’s probably r34 of that
Sadly Shippuden.
The OG.
OG is the best
I think OG should have lasted longer imo but both are good
Ofcourse, the original Naruto when he's still a ninja not a superman
Definitely Shippuden but I personally prefer OG
Shippuden hands down. The guy is the definition of a underdog
I liked Menma's design better.
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Both
Shippūden. The black on top of the orange looks too iconic.
Og hits different
Shippuden the young one is straight annoying
Obviously shippuden
Definitely Shippuden because he was more stronger there, the OG Naruto is still the most reckless version of him
I feel like OG Naruto is more known and merch is sold in that form. But all other characters are known in their Shippuden forms.
Shippuden but probably base outfit, no forms or any changes whatsoever. My 61 year old dad can recognize Naruto but if you slap the sage eyes or Kyubi cloak on him it's a "different dude entirely"
Shippuden even tho OG Naruto is way better
Popular? Shippuden
Known to the public? OG
Shippuden easy
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Shippuden is more well known now but in the 2000s the OG had precedence over it in the public memory.
Obviously Shippuden. Don’t get me wrong I love OG Naruto but cmon this isn’t even close. Look how strong he got when he got older, learned new forms new moves, became the strongest in the village, etc
I’ve got a soft spot for OG because it started it all but I think shippuden had more emotion
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The grandpa version there are tons of videos of saruto (boruto and sarada’s son) featuring old grandpa naruto
Shippuden is better, it's where it really begins
OG naruto probly. He's the one I recognized most before actually watching Naruto
Shippuden but og to me is way better
When most people in the general populace imagine Naruto they most likely think of Shippuden era naruto
The kid Naruto was bratty & too much of a meddlesome intruder which made him annoying. The teenage version was slightly less. Not much difference between the two.
I prefer og the art style were more « dirty » and raw and the ninja world felt more brutal and violent, it was more « choking » 😆 and Naruto were not a child of prophecy just an orphan with a mysterious backstory, maybe because I discover og Naruto when I was 11 it felt more violent, still love Shippuden though
A shame you didn’t include Boruto‘s Dad form. Of course this is the most popular one!
Shippuden but og better tho
Shippuden is more popular just because the show is but the original series was doing a great job of setting him up to become who he became so i cant knock it. Biggest disappointment in Naruto(the verse) is that His personal growth occurs off screen.
Shippuden is more popular, but I think og has better quality on average.
I grew up knowing of Naruto but never watched it until 2020. During the period before I watched it, I always associated Naruto with OG Naruto. Never Shippuden Naruto. I thought Shippuden Naruto was like some remake of the original or something. OG Naruto is way more iconic to the general public
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Part 1 of Naruto was superior to Part 2. Part 2 was a contradiction to part 1 and turned Naruto into Dragon Ball. Instead of strategic battles it all came down to who makes the bigger explosion.
The show literally starts with Minato battling an Argentinosaurus-sized Nine Tailed Fox atop an equally large frog, and somehow sealing it into an infant. The few fights involving actually strong fighters are all much closer to part 2 fights. The Sannin fighting and the Hokage (Hugely debuffed) fighting are the most blatant examples of this
The "strategic part" of the show is definitely seen in part 2, the only difference is that the fighters are top tiers of the verse, instead of 13 year old kids with much lower chakra reserves and a lot less training.
classic naruto is 10 times better than shippuden, which is mentally retarded
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Og naruto was a more enjoyable character. Naruto during shippuden I only liked during the pain arc
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