This week GMs got released and there is bonus vanguard reputation and this bug that is still in the game since Final Shape release is still unfixed.
Cheese forever already made a video about it, and others already reported it on forums. However this is not acknowledged on the "known issues" list.
So, if you are a warlock main and feel like things are slow this season, this might be the reason.
Bungie hates Warlocks. Simple.
I knew it!
It’s funny cause every class main believes this about themselves
Hunters know damn well they're the favorite. 😡
It's true! Cayde even told me!
Then why do hunters keep complaining about Bungie hating them hm?
Because just like the ppl on this thread, they're self absorb... It's always me, me, me, I'm a Hunter, I'm better because I'm a Hunter.. A dislikable quality in these...
Exactly! Bungie hates all players. They make titan kits dogshit, they give warlocks less activity rep, and hunters get burdened with an ability tied to mobility. The trifecta! /s
Unironically though mobility needs some changes, it’s like, the dump stat in the game
I love having my class ability tied to a useless stat
Hurr durr, it's not useless, it gives you faster class ability regen! -Bungie, probably.
We all know the architects are bungie favorites, been one shotting guardians for years and just barley caught a nerf a bit ago and still brings us down to one shot 🙄
Correction bungie had a love hate relationship with warlock. They make cool thing for warlock… but well exist
Warlock is the middle child of the 3 classes
Hell nah bruh, warlocks have THE best overall prismatic kit in the game right now. The gameplay loop is way more compelling than hunters dodge, punch, dodge punch and the Still Hunt/Celestial. I don’t need to go into too much detail about Titans.
Bungie hates all players. Simple
Finally irrefutable evidence.
Lol Bungie mains warlocks its just a bug
Ever heard the term 'kill your babies' in relation to art? They are extra harsh on the classes they personally like in order not appear biased.
Kill your darlings doesn't mean to always kill your favourite character. It's a reminder to get rid of a character/storyline no matter how much you love them if it's no longer adding anything to the story
T=T Rippo us 'locks.
Wtf kind of issue is this
I am genuinely astounded by how buggy this game is, and how this isn't a larger issue for the community. Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the game and I know Bungie isn't doing it on purpose, but there are SO MANY aspects of current up to date content that is bugged it is truly remarkable.
From strikes not loading in enemies, to no progression for pinnacles, dungeons bugged, abilities bugged, it's so much of content that is currently being played and people paid for. One of the buggier games I've played. Not sure if that's new, but I started playing a lot more since TFS and perhaps I've only now started noticing it.
Oh no, this is not new at all. Pretty much any time Bungie has ever added or changed anything in this game, there's a 50/50 shot it's going to be completely broken.
My boyfriend is a hunter and I'm a warlock, we only play together atm, and this dude has reset multiple times and I was legit confused why I was so far behind. 😭
Omg Same! I was going crazy trying to figure out how the hell He could reset and i was at like rank 9 only lol
U 2 dating the same guy?
Fireteams are 3-person squads for a reason~
Menagerie Trois
Polycule fireteam is not something I expected to think about but now I can't stop.
Me too
The entire band is dating one dude?
Yes and Scotty still doesn't know.
I did her on his birthday.
Yeah my clan mate was talking about the ritual weapon like day 3 and he's like "oh you haven't gotten it yet" I'm like dude wtf how many NFs did you do?!
Same! Husband is a hunter, I'm a lock. I was wondering wtf was going on. I had to point at my screen and say "see!?" because he called me crazy lol.
How do yall reset them so quickly? I've only ever recently Crucible ONCE and that took all season and I was playing crucible almost every day
Bro I can pretty much reset vanguard or gambit in a day if I really push it. How are you only resetting once in 2-3 months?
Are you playing every single day as in 1-2 hours tops and those are spread out over multiple things?
1-2 hrs on a work day and more like 3-4 on off days if possible. Most of the time I just focus on one activity. I will admit I'm not the most efficient player in the world I just don't understand how yall gain that much rep so quickly. It's only been a month and people have reset a vendor/s multiple times?! 😫
IDK then man.
I’ve reset Gambit and Vanguard already (despise crucible as if it were my ex-wife). Are you getting the streak bonuses? Like completing 5 matches in a row of one activity massively boosts your rank points things. They removed bounties (which objectively helped) so I have no idea if pathfinder stuff gives any sort of activity bonus :(
Not to be a dick but are you also winning matches of Gambit/Crucible? I know winning matches awards a hell of a lot more points than a loss, so if you’re not hitting 5-Streak, not getting wins, and possibly not contributing as much (like getting kills/making orbs in vanguard, defeating invaders, banking motes, killing adds and stuff in Gambit, and I assume just dropping schmeat in crucible) could be a factor as to why it’s taken so long? Do you play on Warlock as well? Because well…. Post lol
I've been a hard titan main for years. I have a hunter and warlock but never actually worked on them. Planning to work on my hunter soon.
I'm not the best player in the world but I do try to put in as much effort as possible. Idk my win/loss rate or anything but I'm sure it's skewed towards loss. Maybe I just don't understand exactly what goes into acquiring vendor xp. I'll see if I can find some info surrounding that. Maybe I can work on being more efficient there.
Eta: If you wanna check my profile it's Nekra_Tatsumaki#2688
This week the Vanguard ranks have a bonus going for them. I would HIGHLY recommend doing a bunch of nightfalls.
Just make sure to hit up the transmog vendor, grab a vanguard bounty and then go beat the crap out of some fallen and vex. I did a nightfall last night with I think a 3-streak and got somewhere around 1k rep (if I’m remembering correctly, was dead tired after getting home from work). If you’re really trying to get that sub machine gun (which is GREAT btw) that’s a really good way to do it. Pay attention to when stuff’s the “target” for the week as they’ll offer double rewards, including rep.
Other than that, just keep doing what you’re doing! Contribute as much as you can and have a good time. Even if it takes you a little while to reset, there’s nothing coming out of the rewards that’s like, required. The SMG is great but not an end-all-be-all thing.
The ONLY vendor I would say you absolutely need to reset is Rahool. Once you reset him you can use exotic engrams and an exotic cypher to unlock literally any exotic in the game. Even legendary campaign rewards that you haven’t gotten yet. Anything. It’s awesome.
Added on Bungie, I’ll be hopping on later tonight if you wanna run some Nightfalls, Guardian! Happy to help in any way I can <3
Awesome! I appreciate it! I might not be on tonight. Buddy wanted to play Monster Hunter but I'll probably be on tomorrow. If I see you on I'll hit you up! Thanks for the info I really appreciate it! I'll work on getting Rahool reset for sure. I can't focus any engrams from Beyond light on since I'm still missing exotics 😅
I was wondering why my Titan BF was so much higher than me. I guess I caught up a little since I've been double playing my Titan but still he's half way toward the ornament and I'm like level 3.
Oh honey. I hate to ask you this, but….is it possible he’s…into Titans?
we only play together atm
Only play together ass to mouth?That's some human centipede shit. That's why you're so far up his behind!
Jesus, no wonder other people reset so much. I only play warlock so I had no idea how impoverished I was. Thought everybody was this speed haha
That's what I'm saying! What the fuck, how is this the first I've heard about it. I've been playing a bunch since TFS and am just now resetting most vendors.
To be fair, it seems like warlocks are getting the old base rep we always did. Titans and hunters are getting extra (according to GM rep testing anyways)
Still. Sucks for us warlocks lmao
Explains why before TFS launched they were saying 9-10 exotic focus with Rahool will be enough to reset him. I went through all 10 I had on my warlock burning a bunch of prisms to do focusing and only came out around rank 11.
Actually no. Warlocks are only bugged for ritual playlist rep (Crucible/Gambit/Vanguard). They said a full inventory of engrams would almost get you to a full reset and also said to save up shards which implies having to do higher tier focusing (which gives more rep).
Well higher tier focusing didn’t get me as close as they were implying before launch. Still needed another 6 exotics and 15 primes to decipher
Dude!!! I knew something was up! Last week my homie was getting 1k of gambit XP and me and my other friend were only getting 500ish xp per match! I knew it! Idk if I’m trippin either but on my hunter for trials last week sometimes I wouldn’t be getting crucible xp in some matches! I don’t even leave early btw
Trials was frustrating, didn’t get the rank 16 reward and crucible XP was almost never coming in. By the time I reset Trials my crucible was only at 3k
I want reimbursement
Unironically, yeah, I think they should definitely find a way to award our missing rep or just give warlocks a boost to those activities for the same time that the bug has been active.
They probably could. You have a game history log on the destiny app. Can see how much you played a specific activity and then retroactively do it? I grinded gambit last week and with the boost 5 streak on wins it was usually 500+ a match. Was getting like 450ish if I recall
They really should. The time and effort was put in, it should be equalised.
They may not have the data, but i suspect they may have ways to appropriate it. Or at least do a general bump class-wide.
Me too, but Bungie is one of those weird companies that basically never gives reimbursements for anything.
And then there’s Limbus Company.
300 Currency for weekly maintenance. Or even typos.
Yeah this is bullshit. We shouldn't be penalized for playing the game. They seriously need to make up for this, preferably while it's still early in the season so I can actually get some use out of all those materials.
Honestly one of those things they should put on the top of the list and be fixed immediately. How in the spaghetti code does this happen lol.
I remember a bug in Plunder where Stormcaller and Striker stopped benefitting from resilience for some reason, but every other subclass was fine. Shit's weird.
But if we were exploiting xp ranks, it would be fixed in 45 min, but screw you on your playtime the best we can do is a hot fix next season
It's not something that benefits the player in any way and as such it has low priority when it comes to being fixed.
"We should probably fix warlocks. They've had their xp busted for a long time." "Yea, that's kind of a big deal to ruin a third of the player base. You're right." "STOP THE PRESSES! People are earning rewards too fast!" "Oh sh*t! Call everyone in! We're workin' weekends!"
So what really disturbs me about this issue is that a quick google search about this issue reveals a heavily down-voted post on this Sub about 2 months ago stating they found evidence of the same thing, thus nobody ever really saw it, so apparently this has been an active issue for a while now, and Bungie still hasn't fixed it.
On the surface level it sounds like some delusional cope ( everyone always thinks Bungie hates their class specifically ) but in a boy who cried wolf scenario, there's actually a wolf lol.
I noticed it in April, but didn't really care. At that point the season had been going for so long that I'd reset all of them at least a dozen times.
But if the comments on cheese's video are to be believed, it's been going on since March
Wtf why do Classes have differential rep too begin with
My uninformed guess would be that it's an unintended consequence of how the weekly challenges encourage you to have one character of each class - if you try doubling (or tripling) up, you can only complete the weekly and get powerfuls on one of the duplicate characters. My guess would be that the challenges themselves are actually different between classes but are (supposedly) indistinguishable in practice, and that a change wasn't properly propagated between all of them.
Spaghetti code. A ~10 year old codebase that has seen dramatic changes over the years, lots of people who maintained/understood certain portions moving on to other jobs taking their knowledge with them, etc.
I can't say with 100% certainty, but I would bet that Bungie has multiple teams that leapfrog each other. Team A works on expansion X, while team B works on season Y. Normally, there are strict procedures in place for if one team makes a change, that code gets merged into what the other is working on. Bungie seems to struggle with this and it's why you see bugs re-appear when new content gets released or well received features seemingly disappear for no good reason. Lack of cohesion also explains things like certain quests requiring X/XXX kills and others are %kills (different design philosophies embraced by different teams).
I doubt being a dev at Bungie is an easy job - especially since the code must be a Ship of Theseus as this point.
10 year old codebase
Nearly 30. Yes Destiny has been mostly rewritten... but there is shit in there from the 90's haha
The reputation system would've been far newer than that, but yeah.
Perhaps it's a new change and Both hunters and titans are the classes they are gonna fix the bug on.....it is Bungie lol
I bet you are right. If I had extra money I would put it on that answer. They made the XP grind insane this season, why would rep be any different?
Bungie Gaslighting Warlocks is Crazy 💀
Hello u/Destiny2Team, please can we get some acknowledgement for this issue? Also, some form of XP gift to Warlocks wouldn't go a miss for all of the lost reputation as well please, thanks.
People are claiming it’s been a bug since Guardian Games. If true, theres no way Bungie wouldn’t have noticed such a large discrepancy between classes with all the metrics they look at. If they were going to publicly mention the bug, they would have by now.
It has for sure been a bug pre tfs. Wrapping up the final season before tfs, me and a clan mate wanted to push our crucible rep to reset so we could get more perks on riptide when we turned our engrams in. We were both at basically the same starting value of needing 2 levels to get there (I was actually a bit ahead). We played every game together and he got there 5 crucible games before me. I was scratching my head at why but now it all makes sense.
New gender pay gap just dropped.
Funny, my Warlock is female and other two are male.
So, literally, in my case
Damn class pay gap
Who the hell is downvoting this? Literally no reason to.
This subreddit loves the down arrow
All the Destiny subreddits do. I've always had factual information with proof get downvoted so now I have to go into every thread prepared to defend myself against the horde.
On a SGA like this, people need to chill tf out
Dude I’ve wished people luck on stuff like medical issues and been downvoted. This sub doesn’t give a single fuck
That’s insane, but I believe it. People do be salty sometimes…
lmao, and promptly gets downvotes. What a bunch of assholes. Have my upvote.
On the surface level it sounds like some delusional cope ( everyone always thinks Bungie hates their class specifically ) but in a boy who cried wolf scenario, there's actually a wolf lol.
There is no negative player experience in Lake DTG
It stands on my view at 97 percent which is plenty high enough for most purposes to be universal.
Without getting into "reasons why people will downvote" let's also mention that reddit intentionally presents fuzzy numbers of up and down votes. My wife sees different numbers on posts than I do all the time.
I posted this when it was at 83% and in the Rising tab, not on the front page of DTG
All I play is warlock lol
We finally have an answer to which class bungie hates the most
I was so confused when I ran like 8 to 9 matches of trials played like 10 comp matches and control and I'm still at rank 12, last season I already reset crucible and was close to 10 just by doing these.
On one hand, I regret missing out on all the rep and resets. It did seem to be going super slow after swapping from titan to warlock - I played enough to go flawless on titan, and got a reset, then played about 40 on warlock and got none.
On the other hand, abusing Speaker's Khvostov was so much fun it kinda evens out
Dual destiny dupe being patched before this is a joke. As a warlock main who’s known about it since day 1 of final shape it’s only making me madder each week.
Wow, this actually requires compensation from Bungie. Warlocks need to receive all the rep they've missed out on when this is fixed.
It is important to note that this is not a bug with the bonus rep boost for the week. That was nerfed down to 50% for Crucible in the season before Lightfall launch and to the rest of the playlists for Lightfall.
The actual issue is that Hunters and Titans get an additional 100% reputation for Crucible, Vanguard, and Gambit. This is on top of the weekly 50% bonus reputation. This has been going on since Guardian Games.
Everyone is gonna be pissed when they fix the bug and hunter and titan get as much rep as warlocks. Lol
The actual issue is that Hunters and Titans get an additional 100% reputation for Crucible, Vanguard, and Gambit. This is on top of the weekly 50% bonus reputation. This has been going on since Guardian Games.
No shot this is happening wtf. Is that why it took so long for me to rank anything up last season.
This needs more visibility.
Clearly picked the wrong class, Bungie agrees
If these were hunters the sub would be up in arms
This sub would be in flames
the meme. it has come alive.
I hope this gets fixed by warlocks getting the same. 👍
Since bungie keeps a record of every activity you do, they need to not only fix it going forward, but retroactively apply the XP for activities we've completed.
Bungie can disable and fix an issue with the eververse store in less than 24 hours, while they don't even acknowledge this issue that's been happening since last week (that we know of)
More proof that bungo hates warlocks lol
I think Warlocks are getting the "correct" amount while Titans and Hunters are getting extra
This sounds right. It's been happening for quite a long time now, too. I noticed it through most of last year as far as I can recall. Noticed my rep gains in ritual activities being much lower at various points when I'd switch characters. I thought it was the bonus rep just glitching out because of character swaps. Didn't realize until recently, after all the posts about Crucible, that it was happening specifically to my Warlock.
I'm absolutely terrified now because, if they do make any change, you know they're just going to "fix it" for the other two classes. Even though they expect you to reset four times per playlist just to get the full number of perk roll chances on weapons. Which, with the increased focusing costs and low engram drop rates (in Vanguard especially,) you need those resets to have any prayer. The only thing that seems to help in that horrible grind is the bonus rep weeks at the Hunter/Titan reputation rates.
you know they're just going to "fix it" for the other two classes
Which is why people kept quiet about it, since it was strictly helping players even if one class was being put at a disadvantage.
This is definitely the case. GM clears on a 5 streak always used to give around 1K.
Cheese got 1.4K in his run on Hunter. People are saying this has been bugged for a while now. That would make sense, because I've never seen a GM clear give that many points. I took a pretty long break from the game. It must have started giving extra to Hunters and Titans when I wasn't playing.
Hopefully they just increase Warlock point gains and don't reduce Hunter and Titan.
Yeah, I only play Warlock, and I don't remember ever getting 1.4k even on a 5-streak. Was that amount normal for other classes before? Maybe that explains all the people casually saying "I've just reset Crucible twice yesterday".
I took a long break, so I'm not sure exactly when it started, but it's some time within the last 8 months. 1.4K was not the norm. It was always around 1K.
I reset my Gambit rank on Warlock last week and was getting around 500 points on a win on a 5 streak. This has been the norm for bonus weeks since they changed Gambit rank point gains a couple years ago. I've seen posts saying Hunters and Titans were getting 1K points.
I'm not sure what the Crucible numbers are like, but you comp rank changes the amount of Crucible points you get. The higher your rank, the higher your multiplier is. People that have a high comp rank are going to reset faster.
It might just be the bonus xp during the first 5 levels is accidentally applying to rep gains also somehow?
It happens regardless of if you have the weekly XP bonus active.
This is correct. Hunters and Titans get their totals doubled and it has nothing to do with the rep bonus.
You mean titan and hunter are gaining more rep than they should from activities?? monkey paw /s
This is a massive issue, explains why my brother was gaining so little rep compared to me when farming gambit last week (we weren't able to play together so i had no idea this was a thing until bow.)
edit: apparently hunters and titans are actually getting double what they're supposed to, according to some other comments i saw. well damn.
spaghetti code strikes again
Yup I logged off Destiny right after I caught the cheese forever video.....this sucks
What could possibly be going on in the code that one class gets less of one specific reputation point per activity.
Wtf man
They better put a catch up mechanic in, that's bullshit
EXTREME CLASSISM
Next week it’ll be “fixed an issue where Hunters and Titans were receiving more reputation than intended from playlist activities”
The word is in, Bungie is Classist.
dont worry yall, they fixed double exotics though!
Bungie: we fixed an issue where hunters and titans were getting too much reputation in ritual playlists
what kind of racism is this??
Holy shit, lmfao. Titans have been screaming their heads off about how unfair they're being treated, meanwhile this was going on the whole time and this is the first time I heard about it?! Warlocks truly are the forgotten middle child.
Oh okay, makes sense now. How the fuck is this even a thing?? From a coding standpoint, there should be ZERO differences needed between the classes. There’s no reason it should be like that at all. What the fuck bungie??
This explains why it took me forever to get the ritual weapon via vanguard. I love being a warlock main : ,)
Knowing the Destiny community, this will be forgotten in no time, and then when it's brought up again later on people will just act like it was a myth with no proof of it ever being a real thing.
Racism
I thought it was slower, but just assumed they had tweaked the XP a bit.
I swapped to my hunter.last night which I have never played just to do gambit. Got the full reset in about 2 hours without winning more than half my games. So word to the wise. With nightfall double rewards might be worth it to just grind out any nightfall using the other two classes until it's fixed.
Think we can claim classism or another -ism for them to work on this faster and get reparations?
OP doesn't say anything quantitative, but according to the video it really is a substantial difference. For the sake of having readable values here in the discussion:
Cheese receives +1407 rep on his hunter when completing the GM with a zero streak. When he completed it with a one-streak on his warlock, he got +991 rank points instead. (This is a reputation-boost week so if you want to do any math with those numbers, keep that in mind.)
This warlock main will definitely be doing rituals on my alts instead for now.
bro plz this explains so much. I was thinking theres no way in hell after like 50 total strikes played and a handful on onslaughts im only at fkn fabled 1
Why hasn’t Bungie commented on this?
Reported this last week in Gambit, got only crickets in return.
Bungie just hates warlocks. We’ve gotten the shit end of the stick since Osiris expansion. They just keep nerfing and screwing us on armor and perks. Almost at that point where I’m just going to say F*ck it and switch games. lol
How tf is Bungie dropping the ball on yall warlocks when like 55% of their staff that plays are Warlocks
It still isn't fixed... This isn't the first time that a bug that negatively affects a large number of players is ignored. Yet any bugs that benefit players are fixed within a few days via a hot patch.
Dual exotic drops fixed. Back to farming public chests as most efficient method for best item in game tho.
holy fucking shit my entire experience this season makes so much more sense now. god it’s really hard to like bungie after these last couple weeks
ah cool, the only class i play because its all i have time for doesnt work properly
the past 2 weeks bungie have been a fucking laughing stock
Damn Bungie is racist 💀
This game is dog shit
Oh damn, I didnt notice.
Gives me a reason to finish the legend campaign on another character at least. I’m glad I haven’t started my gambit grind for hush yet.
Happened last week in gambit too.
i was really looking forward to farming this week on warlock but i guess i gotta find a good hunter build to use 😮💨
Based
JFC, I was wondering why mu Titan & Hunter main buddies were always so much farther along than me. This is some BS that needs to be addressed.
Thx. It’s actually not they are receiving less. Titans/Hunters are getting too much is the bug.
Now it’s front page for them to acknowledge and nerf titans Hunter. Great .
And I’m a warlock main.
But I been playing this week on my Hunter. I ain’t never no hater. Shoot I’m on that
Rep gains should be overall higher, so BUFF WARLOCKS
It's funny that, while obviously an accidental bug, this is the kind of bug and drama that would have been up there with throttling xp in terms of drama if we hadn't become so inured to this kind of screw up.
Well, it doesn't help players so I guess we can expect the bug to be fixed up next Act perhaps?
A rollover from guardian games
theres also a rep bug in general. First strike as a titan (normal, 0 streak) got me over 800 rep, second strike as titan (normal, 1 streak) got me only 400-500.
I saw that video yesterday and for the first time in a long time i actually searched to see if this was a known issue on the forums or here..and didn't see any place where they acknowledged it. Pretty unreal seeing as it's double drop/rep week. I'll just waste my time getting horrible class item drops instead I guess lol. (back to back ophidian/starfires yesterday)
Look what they have to do to match a fraction of our power.
I'm suing
They better make us win guardians games next year! /s
Does this also apply on the competitive playlist?
Everyday my clown make up gets thicker and thicker 🤡😫 I paid $100 for the year. They force me to finish TFS in the first 4 days. Episode is booty. Now this. Smh.
Sounds like time to Nerf hunters to me
That fucking explains why my buddies reset Gambit last week and I didn't but we play the same amount of matches.
Don't worry. This won't get fixed for months. But they can hot patch anything that makes playing the game more fun. Or getting any extra rewards or damage.
It’s because they know we warlocks are just built different
I genuinely want to know what kind of absolute spaghetti cooked this one up lol I play warlock and I'm not upset I'm just so curious how being a warlock could possibly tie into your rep
Crazy that they manage to fuck over a single set of players. And won't fix it.
I almost everytime share them.
Sometimes it hurts everbody receives, the lonesome me 0.
Wtf we’re getting fucked yet again?! Why are warlocks forever the middle child?
I'M NOT CRAZY! I swore it wasn't okay to earn 110-150 per crucible match while on 5 streak during double rep rewards last week..
Do we have any % on how much less?
I WAS FARMING TRIALS RANK FOR NOTHING!?!
I wonder if it’s all things not just ritual playlists? I have rahool at like rank 12. Many of my clan mates who play about the same amount as me, (and should thus have around the same amount of engram drops) have already prestiged him once and a couple twice. I was farming pretty heavily and most vendor rep sources have seemed strangely slow
Reparations
oh my god that’s what it is, i played enough crucible to reset at least 3 times but am at rank 9 at best
Me looking at my two vanguard resets as warlock
I grind strikes so much, I’ve honestly not noticed 0.0
Don’t hold your breath, js. Simple, absurdly easy to fix bugs that have been in the game since the glimmer cap was changed to 500k are still there, so…
I picked a good time to start the maining hunter over warlock
What ever happened to equal opportunity?!
Good
Yeah me and my warlock buddy were running nightfalls to farm rep and I noticed that her lead quickly turned into trailing behind me after just a few strikes.
I thought I was going crazy!!! Wtf kind of issue is this