As we Africans recover from the painful chains of colonization, the Somali people feel disunited and would like to reclaim our land. As we don’t want to hurt our relationship with Kenya nor Ethiopia, Diplomacy is the only way. Referendums need to occur in the respective Somali majority areas and results should be heard and respected. This is a bright step towards Africa making its own future away from the colonialists.
What's the point when Somali's are failing to keep Somalia itself intact?
The state of Somalia doesn’t matter in this situation. Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia should have the right to decide their future. They don’t want to be apart of the countries they view as imperialistic and has perpetuated many massacres against that. I thought Kenyans would understand that feeling the most factoring in the way they were treated by the British. But it’s sad how you still follow the imperialist even after they left. It’s like Kenya is still mentally colonized, you can’t keep thinking like this brother.
They don’t want to be apart of the countries they view as imperialistic and has perpetuated many massacres against that
Really? Why then do Somalis who get rich move to Nairobi rather than Mogadishu?
Mostly because Somalia is a bit unstable and Kenya is the better source to get money. I’m not denying Kenya is more stable. But what is stability if your people have a gun down their throat by the government. Somalis in Major cities have different views then NFD Somalis. NFD Somalis have seen the massacres and have much more resentment towards Kenya then city newcomers. I heard from people who lost their entire families from the killings. Kenya is a violent nation for Somalis in a group.
Again, what killings? Where, when?
He's talking about the shifta rebellion in the elder Kenyatta's era. They fucked around and found out. Basically got the mau mau treatment that the UK did to kikuyus
Nobody is holding them back, they can move to Somalia at anytime! As for the land, land across Africa and other parts of the world was divided with certain communities left in other countries so this is not unique to Somalia in the slightest. We have this with Uganda/Kenya, Tanzania/Kenya, Pakistan/India, USA/Mexico etc
They can barely manage what they have and have their citizens are currently all over the world, why not focus on stabilising the country they do actually govern, give their people a land to come back to instead of preoccupying themselves with Kenya and Ethiopia.
So leave their ancestral land to make room for true blooded Kenyans? Are you aware that is a form of ethnic cleansing as Somalis will never leave our ancestral land and if we leave the country, the land comes with us so the only way to get what you want is forceful migration. I don’t really care if you love the colonialists and their borders but we Somalis will not accept it. Especially when Kenya and Ethiopia has done nothing except massacre and rape my people.
Oh gawd, the hysterics! This is funny when you realise that Somalia has one of the most dispersed immigrant populations worldwide at 2 2 million, work on creating a stable country for them to come back to then we can talk about Kenya and Ethiopia.
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What about somaliland they do they get the right of self determination?
For what? Because you want one clan to rule over the entire territory that the colonialists gave you? Somalia will not forget the SNM terrorist attacks against Non Issaq clans during the 80’s and the current Somaliland government’s bombing of Lascaanood. That just makes you a terror supporter if you support Somaliland and we will never support terror.
Most intelligent Somalian.
You’re Somali so that goes both ways. Truly a successful colonized pet. Your owners in London will be so proud of you.
London and Washington are why somalia is one in paper with their charade of one somalia policy.
and even they have had enough time for the ethno state to cease from existance.
He's a troll btw
ignore him
Could tell. Speaks as if he is not Somali himself.
Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia should have the right to decide their future
Why haven't they moved to Somalia if they yearned to unite with their people? Somalis in Kenya have never even attempted to break away. They know they are far better off here than being part of that Somalia.
And by the way, that part inhabited by Somalis in Kenya one of the most unproductive areas in Kenya. Wealth generated in other regions is allocated to them for development. If they break away how will they survive given Somalia has GDP less than Mombasa county?
H U H? The regions owned by Kenya and Ethiopia are their homeland. It was given to each nation by the colonialists. Are you telling them to leave their lands and move to where the new Somali borders are? Basically ethnic cleansing? Also kinda seems hard to be better in Kenya overall when Kenya discriminates against Somalis and has thrown massacres after massacres against them. Also doesn’t help when a problem occurs, everyone scapegoats Somalis.
The regions owned by Kenya and Ethiopia are their homeland
The people in those regions have title deeds. They own the land no different than if the region was in Somalia. I don't get why you say "owned by Kenya and Ethiopia". Those regions have Somali governors and MPs
Basically ethnic cleansing?
Don't throw your buzzwords here. I'm talking about voluntary migration. If the Somalis in this region liked Somalia so much there would at least be some moving to Somalia. But they aren't. It's a failed state.
and has thrown massacres after massacres against them
What massacres? Never heard of a single one. Kenya's director of public prosecution is a Somali. Don't you think he would've spoken about it? 🧐
You're a liar
You mean the same puppets that work for Kenya and Ethiopia while claiming to help the Somalis. Is that why NFD and Galbeed are the most underdeveloped? Also “voluntary migration” or whatever you called it is not going to happen so what now? Somalis don’t want to be apart of Kenya/Ethiopia and they will take our land with them. There have been countless massacres like Isiolo Massacre and Wagalla Massacre
Sources:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13123813.amp
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isiolo_massacre
Need more sources or are you just going to spout bs?
1960s ? Bruh...you have got to be kidding me. Wtf😂😂😂😂😂
All I need to know a common pattern. Also doesn’t help Somalis are discriminated today. One more talk about separating and Kenya will do the same thing it did before to us. Nothing unites Kenya then their hatred of Somalis.
All your sources are from 40 to 60 years ago bro😂😂😂😂 this is your proof that Somalis are discriminated against? From 40 years ago?
Somalis in Kenya suffered 40 years ago. Somalis in Somalia suffer today😂😂😂
You mean the same puppets that work for Kenya and Ethiopia while claiming to help the Somalis
This is exactly what's wrong with your mentality. Kenya and Ethiopia have multiple ethnicities , Somalis included. There is no such thing as Kenyan and Ethiopian ethnicity working against Somalis. You want so bad north eastern Kenya to be given to Somalia. Even if we do, the Somalis in those areas will move inside the new Kenya and Ethiopia borders. That country is hell
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And yet throughout history these lands were never united under one rule.
But it is united by a people. The time of nations is now and Somalis would rather be ruled by another Somali then foreigners. The countless massacres against us by Ethiopia and Kenya sadly engraved that lesson into Somalia. Tho we still care about clans.
Then they should migrate from Kenya to Somalia
Aka leave their land through forceful migration. I’m suspecting some of you guys love Israel and their methods.
The Maasai also inhabit parts of kenya and tanzania. As a percentage of the population, the Fulani therefore represent about 38% of the population in Guinea-Conakry, 30% in Mauritania, just under 17% in Guinea-Bissau, 16% in Mali and Gambia, 12% in Cameroon, 22% in Senegal, just under 9% in Nigeria, 7.6% in Niger, 6.3% in Burkina Faso, 5% in Sierra Leone and the Central African Republic. Should they also seek to secede?
Keep that to yourselves... the North stays in Kenya
By force? Might makes right? Looks like you picked up more from the colonizers then you think. They made your identity and your whole life and you show allegiance to their made up borders. The embarrassment of colonized mindset in Africans is sad. Still licking the boots of the white man.
History has shown time and time again that weaker nations will always be dominated by greater powers. In the 21st century, the nations and powers have different names, but the rule still applies.
So the only way Africa can become truly sovereign is by acquiring power. There is no other way. We have to put our heads down and build, or in 50 and 100 years' time, we will still be in poverty blaming the colonialist.
As of the issue of the North. It stays with us. By force and fire if necessary. But I pray it never comes to that.
Also... not everything is about the white man. You talk about them as if they are omnipresent like god
Nah, I talk about them when I see other Africans trampling over themselves defending their lines they drew on our lands. Despite all the pain they put us through, you defend. It’s remarkable. But the Somali people will never accept the borders. As long as we rule our land with our culture and religion, Somalis will never truly become free from colonization. It’s the same for the rest of Africa, look at the countless conflicts because of the garbage borders. You can keep the “might makes right” bs but I prefer not too. We have seen the deaths trying to acquire our own lands in the past. Next stage is diplomacy and negotiation as when Somalia stabilizes, that will 100% happen and increase in attempts.
You continue not recognising them and that is fine. The North remains in Kenya non the less...
And yes... these are lines drawn by the colonialists... but we have to live in reality, not in "land of dreams." And over time we've have become a nation.
Even my people, my nation, my tribe. They are spread throughout Tanzania, Uganda, Congo, and South Sudan. We are all Luo, that's is a fact that will never change. But I am also Kenyan, and that is another fact that will never change.
Nations have been created and destroyed throughout history. We should worry about building. When we have eliminated poverty and all the suffering on our lands... then I will give a thought to your demands... till then, I will sleep without them even crossing my mind.
But Luos have not faced the violence and killings that the Somalis have faced under the Kenyan government. Of course their is less anger towards Kenya from the Luos when they are objectively treated better then Somalis.
We have faced massacres, assassination, marginalisation and everything in between.
But yes... I agree the North has had it rougher. That is why I am more concerned with building the whole country than separating the nation
It’s already too late. Somalis feel alienated in Kenyan society , specifically the NFD Somalis, I doubt the Kenyan government will actually put in work to fix this relationship. Tho I still have to give credit where it’s due. Kenya has fixed up in treatment to Somalis compared to the 80’s, not amazing but better. Just wish Ethiopia can show signs of that instead of letting militias run wild in Somali Galbeed.
Maybe i would be so inclined to agree if all the terrorists were stomped out in the country. But until then, no...
Well, Al shabaab is currently being crushed by the government and are at its lowest territory in years so I would suggest getting those referendum papers ready brother
They recaptured almost all the territory that the somalian government took from them in 2022 only few places are still on the somalian governments cantrol please don't spread misinformation.
If Somalis cannot manage to keep the land they have intact with the Somaliland situation, what makes you think they can handle more land?
Somalia is an easy country to migrate to. If the Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia saw Somalia as a great, they would have moved there instead. But they don't. That's because it's an unstable country.
Just because you all look the same and speak the same language, it doesn't mean you have unity. Almost all of Somalia is Somali, they can decide their own future according Somali interests, but have they?
It's ironic that out of the three countries there, Somalia is the most monolithic in terms of culture but are worse off. You want Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia to move to a worse government so that they can 'decide their future' ?
Are you mentally handicapped ? Why will they move from their ancestral land to mordern day Somalia when they aren’t native to their ?
How about those in the diaspora?
Why haven't those in London and Minnesota moved to Somalia?
Or are those also ancient Somali lands as well?
Those are immigrants,Somalis in galbeed(occupied by Ethiopia) and konfurta Jubba (occupied by Kenya) are native .native≠immigrant
Why will they move from their ancestral land to mordern day Somalia when they aren’t native to their
To be unified with the community they so yearn to be with. But guess what, Kenya is better. No Somali wants to move to Somalia
You clearly lack critical thinking .why didn’t the Africans in the rest of colonised Africa leave their land since they didn’t want to be a colony(do you see how stupid that sounds)
Don’t bother with these people, walaal. They legit just tell Somalis to “move” when we discuss not being apart of a nation anymore that holds our ancestral land.
I support on two conditions.
No dual citizenship to avoid conflict of interest.
It also means repatriation of all Somalis into the Somali region.
If this is done I will be the biggest supporter of this plan, if it's not done and it's basically just giving the land away and everything remains constant then no
I seen a couple Somalis inhabiting London too
Lots of Somalis in Minnesota.
Yemen.
Saudi Arabia.
Why aren't you claiming these lands?
OP is a coward.
Because those aren’t our ancestral land? It’s just places some Somalis moved to in the modern day world. Seriously, are you actually saying this like you made a good argument. Such an idiot I’m starting to wonder if Europeans were right about Africans being natural idiots and slaves.
Maybe because Somalis aren’t native to them?
You can’t reclaim “ancestral land” just cause…
Another nation is there now and owns that land. Things happen in history and land goes this way and that way over time. People move here and there.
Either you fight a war of imperialism/conquest to take the land by force or you deal with what you’ve got now.
“Hey buddy, it’s over. The white man has spoken and now it’s done. Accept reality and don’t question the natural order of things. Or atleast try their method if you want it back”. Mentally colonized…….
Another Somali expansionist post? Don't you diaspora guys not know any reality? Fine, let's indulge your fantasy. Suppose Kenya and Ethiopia allow a referendum, why should Somaliland, Puntland and Jubaland not do the same? It's very dangerous to support secessionism in other countries because the same argument can be used against you. Literally speaking, if you guys couldn't make your religiously, ethnically homogeneous country work, what makes you think that adding extra regions will solve your problems? Think my guy.
Expansionist? But it’s literally filled with Somalis, how are we taking land that belongs to our ancestors? Already by saying that, you lost my interest in arguing. Looks like you Kenyans learned more from your colonial masters then I thought. It’s a shame
It is classic expansionism. According to your stupid and naive point, countries should claim other countries' territories that are inhabited by members of a specific ethnic group. Therefore I ask you, should a country like Kenya claim parts of Uganda, Tanzania, Ethiopia and Somalia because those borders dissect certain ethnic groups? Obviously not. It's simple logic. Why create conflict when you haven't even fully recovered from the Ogaden war? You're just some diaspora kid who doesn't understand the reality on the ground.
But you don’t get it? Kenya is literally a colonial project. Your whole identity, nation is just made by colonizers. A type of Kenyan identity never existed until the 60’s. While a united Somali state never existed until recently, The Somali identity has been around for 1000’s of years. Of course we are going to claim our ancestral land especially when our people are facing abuse like what?
Good luck with foolish fantasy bro.
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I wonder,IF there was a referendum and the Somalis decided to form their own country, where would the capital be?
Who would lead this super cluster?
Somalis only like democracy when its beneficial to them.
And authoritarian rule as their default.
Pour water over your face and wake up.
I’m pretty sure any Somali would rather live under Somali rule then Ajnabi. Look at the way our neighbours have treated and massacred us. You can take your “democracy” and shove it up your ass. You water your fertile land with our blood.
Jubaland is kenyan and South west is ethiopian cushite land.
also Somaliland is its own country.
please stop sharing this offensive map.
? Its just a map of ethnicty, of course irredentism is bad, but self determination is important too.
Most Somalilanders want independence which is fine, most people in Khatumo want to be in Somalia which is fine, most poeple in NFD want to remain Kenyan-Somali, most people in Ethiopian Somali region want greater autonomy/long-term independance through referendum.
War is bad and humans should try to avoid it where possible through diplomacy.
But Jubaland as Kenyan is absolutly insane, nobody in Kenya wants it, nobody there considers themsleves Kenyan, it was very breifly under the British alongside Kenya, its as absurd as saying South Sudan should be in Sudan.
Well I don’t see the UN recognizing Somaliland soooo…yea. You are from Somalia. Also the first two statements are just plain false and just a jab. Somaliland is the representation of colonialists divide and conquer and your kind ate it up just like the colonized people you are.
How is it devide and conquer when we where never in one country prior to 1960 annexation?
Troll detected, Salam brother
Somalian always runaway when they cant revise their history outside of their somali speaking bubbles.
bye with your 1 month old account.
I hope you have learned something from your post.
That Africans apparently love worshipping the white man and it’s borders? Kinda shocking but that just proves most Africans are mentally colonized. Sad
Somalia should focus on its own issues.
This greater Somalia bullshit needs to stop. Do Somalians think they’re the only people who’s been separated?
Our borders are our borders. Focus on having a stable country at the bare minimum.
It’s the 21st century. Learn to live in peace with your nebighours and move on. Focus on your economy
Well, going by your logic, you should have never left Ethiopia no? Italy rightfully gave you guys to Ethiopia so you should have stayed under their boot. Why did you mess around with colonial borders, dumbass.
When did Italy give Eritrea to Ethiopia?
After they lost it in WW2. They didn’t really have a choice in the matter since Britain made deals with Ethiopia. Either way, you are rightfully Ethiopian yet you rebelled. Why did you go against the natural borders instead of hugging your Ethiopian brothers?
So you already admit it’s not the same situation.
Also. Eritrea didn’t get its chance to vote for independence. Somalia got independence, everyone did except Eritrea.
Italy lost to Britain. Not Ethiopia.
Ethiopia violated the law when it tried to annex Eritrea jn 1961
Learn your history your clown.
Well, too bad. According to the rules you support, might makes right. NFD and Galbeed Somalis voted to join Somalia yet they were ignored. Eritrea should have just shut up and laid down to the Ethiopian monarchy. Seems to me like your the clown, imagine supporting the system that enslaved your own people, I feel second hand embarrassment for the Eritreans that they have you.
Idk what logic ur using .
I’m using international law.
I feel for example the ogedan Somali.
However the borders we have today are our borders. You should take that energy you have and use it to hold your corrupt leaders accountable
Bruh, the border between Somalia and Ethiopia hasn't even been demarcated lol. Its still disputed for a reason.
Yeah and have that conversation with Ethiopia when you’ve developed as a nation.
My argument is choose your priorities .
We will. The Somali region will see little reason to stay when Somalia gets back on its feet
I agree with you. Our fellow Somalis should be given the option to reverse colonizers' land grab. It's arrogant and selfish of our neighbors to hold onto land and people that don't want to be a part of them. Especially in Ethiopia, where it's frightening, you could face genocide just because your leaders don't bow down to the government, as we have seen in Tigray.
You do know the same can be said about Somaliland?
Where are the Kenyans that where saying lets be fair and not claim Jubaland yesterday?
This is the prevalent sentiment in somalia.
I never supported that. But I'm just speaking for myself.
All Africans should support the struggle of uniting a divided people as that will bring us closer to a united Africa, not in physical border but spiritually. Colonialists will no longer control us.
What does that even mean?
Basically, dumb down, we should stop support colonial made borders and let AFRICANS decide our own borders without imperialism. I know it’s hard for Ethiopians to understand that struggle since you did cooperate with the same imperialists who ravaged Africa, but hey it’s in the past.
Uh no need to jab at me for being Ethiopian?
I think you’re incredibly naive. Most African counties are already fragile as fuck, you now want to tell people to decide where the borders should be drawn? Have you not been paying attention in Sudan?
Sure, in an ideal world the borders would look different, but if you started getting rid of the current borders, you best believe there would be so much fighting over land every where by competing factions that you’d see tens of millions of deaths within a few months.
Also just to add, no Ethiopia did not cooperate with imperialists to divide Africa? What an asinine thing to suggest. I know many Somalis hate Ethiopia but if you’re preaching African unity and what not you should be above that.
To meet you at your level instead of keeping it civilised: I for one would support giving the Somali regions in Ethiopia to Somalia, wouldn’t be much of a loss to Ethiopia plus it would get rid of the Islamic influence in the country which hasn’t been good but interestingly enough most Somalis in Ethiopia would rather stay in Ethiopia than join Somalia sooo yea awkward eh
You can't compare Sudan's situation as they split to become their own country. Galbeed would split and join another country. And yes, we are unstable right now, but in the near future when we are stable, we are showing promising signs with GDP per capita increasing, debt relief, improvement on infrastructure, oil extraction, and so on, which will put Somalia in a much better situation and will most likely attract Somalis from other regions to rejoin the motherland. But when that time comes, these people should be allowed to trigger Article 39 or at least reverse what colonialists did. And by the way, Oromos and Afars are Muslins. Also I don't know why you get worked up over Somalis rejoining their original country.
I didn’t get worked up over it - I got worked up over OP giving me a jab for being Ethiopian. Somalis on Reddit keep shitting on Ethiopia and it’s just getting old. We really don’t harbour ill will towards you guys it’s tiring getting all this vitriol in return the whole time.
And yea true I know Orimos and Afar have large Muslim populations as well but the Somali part of the population is the most “conservative/extreme” Muslim if that makes sense.
And as I mentioned before, Somalis in Ethiopia don’t want to join Somalia. The vast majority is in favour of staying in Ethiopia with potentially more autonomy as a region but seceding and joining Somalia isn’t something the people want currently.
Okay, I'll have a word with him about that. We should be able to have difficult discussions in a civilized manner without any jabs. And yes, both sides take digs at each other, but I can assure you that does not happen here. And how are Somalis the extreme conservatives?
I think that’s the perception because of Al Shabaab & some Somali Ethiopian citizens supporting them.
As you said, it's a perception. Al Shabab don't even operate in Ethiopia. Rebel groups within the country are an existentially larger threat. And if I'm not mistaken Somali region is the most peaceful region one Ethiopia?
I know they don’t operate in Ethiopia, I meant that they support Al Shabaab not that they operate in Ethiopia.
It’s one of the more peaceful regions yeah, but also because it’s so sparsely populated and vast + less diverse so fewer ethnic tensions like you’d find closer to Addis or in the North.
You don't speak for us, kindly fucking humble yourself. You cannot speak the language and you don't have any idea what people there think anymore than you know what goes on in Somalia. Literally your only idea of 'Ethiopian Somalis' is government mouthpieces from a region whose ownership is historically DEEPLY contested.
Many want nothing to do with Ethiopia, even if that doesn't necessarily mean political unity with Somalia though you'd have to be an idiot if you think development of Somali region isn't intimately linked with Somalia otherwise Ethiopian government wouldn't have such a deep interests in meddling in Somalia for the past 30 fucking years
Most Somali Ethiopians speak Amharic so I’ve got a decent idea from Somali Ethiopian friends and acquaintances what goes on there?
Every country meddles in other counties business. Maybe if Somalia didn’t risk the entire region with their backward Islamist extremism it wouldn’t have to be that way.
Anyway if you think Ethiopian Somalia would rather join Somalia than stay in Ethiopia you’re delusional. Especially now that Ethiopia is rapidly leaping ahead of its neighbours economically and materially.
Wallahi you are lying through your raw meat eating teeth.
Most Somalis in SRS speak Amharic?!??
Before the 90s, you would be lucky to find ONE percent of Somalis who speak it. 30 years after state collapse in Somalia and ethnic federalism in Ethiopia, you will be hard pressed to find 10% of Somalis who speak it, all concentrated in the areas around Dire and Jigjiga.
You're either malicious or wilfully ignorant on how big the Ethiopian empire is. The Somali social world is almost entirely apart from the Ethiopian one, save for the places they meey like I mentioned above. This is even after multiple iterations of your state has tried to totally sever our connections with other Somalis across these European borders that you worship while acting as some sort of 'panAfricans'.
Unless you were a soldier or politician, until recently many Ethiopians would've never even SEEN a Somali and many still are surprised to find out that there is a Somali regional state and confuse it with Somalia.
You could not even pronounce the places in SRS and yet you're now an expert on 10 million peoples opinions?
The fact is:
Socially, economically, culturally we are much more Somalia than wd are Ethiopia. It is literally paperwork and the international community which forces us together, or rather forces you upon us. Unfortunately, we didn't get stuck with people more amenable to our Interests
Honestly I couldn’t care less if the entire Somali region left, bye mate don’t let the door hit you on the way out! 🫶 have fun with your Arab overlords
Well good we came to an agreement. Sorry for taking a jab at your nationality but it’s true that the Ethiopian monarchy allied with the British and Italians to crush the Darwiish, a Somali liberation movement. Ngl I’m not 100% sure of the situation in Sudan, but isn’t it a just two generals fighting for power and the RSF is commiting genocide on people they view as non Arabs while UAE is funding that. That just further proves my point that colonial borders play a role in the destabilization of Africa.
I mean most govts allied with several foreign powers. Ethiopia has done more than any other country on the continent for the decolonisation of Africa so to then jab at us for the Monarchy having friendly relations with the Brits is disingenuous.
Yea but that’s exactly my point - Sudan shows what happens when the central governments aren’t in power & we get rid of the modern day borders, it’s just going to be a mess of competing warlords trying to fight over resources/land at the expense of the population.
And also, Somalia isn’t the only country that has lost territory or people, many African counties have but instead of being stuck in the past it’s better to work on the future. Eritrea was part of Ethiopia and isn’t anymore because of the Italians but it is what it is. They want their autonomy and it’s been too long to force them back into Ethiopia so it’s best to just focus on building a good relationship with them. Ethnically Eritreans and Tigrayans are basically the same, just like Somalia in Ethiopia and Somalis in Somalia.
But it’s also disingenuous to declare Ethiopia the saviour of Africans for decolonization while directly playing a hand in the colonization of Somalis. That is why Somalis see no difference between Italy and Ethiopia, just colonizers differing by skin. While it is true Somalis will fight each other if united like any humans, it’s better then being ruled over by foreigners with no respect for our culture and scapegoats and massacres us whenever a problem occurs. Specifically for Somalis, our neighbours have never given our people peace. Violence after violence even when we don’t do anything major. That is why especially for Somalis, we need to seperate. Eritrea wasn’t even the same people as Ethiopia, Ethiopian monarchy suppressed their language and massacred their people. Which is why I fully support their independence. Ethiopia, no matter what government, has an imperial mindset and won’t hesitate to use violence for order. Look at Tigray, 600K dead. It is only a matter of time till the gun turns on Somali nomads.
The dervishes where no liberators they where nothing but a bunch of bandits that all somali clans fought to put an end to them.
when will somalia denounce its 1961 annexation of somaliland?
Coming from a guy who cheers SNM who killed non Issaq. Irony is crazy.
Agreed! We Africans always discuss how terrible colonial borders were and how unfair conquest is, it’s only fair to return the land to its indigenous people, the Somalis.
It’s shocking to see all the Kenyans attack this idea. I thought they of all people would understand after the countless attacks they faced by the British. Guess I thought wrong.
You mis-understand, from Izbul Islaami to Puntland, the land actually belongs to Kenya. See, we have a huge Somali population as one if the main tribes in Kenya and they ancestral claims to this land. I don't seem how you don't understand this fact. /s
But is Somali the main tribe in Kenya and control Kenya? Don’t get the mocking when Somalia was literally formed as a country for the Somalis. Kinda odd for a country like that to only own 50% of Somali territories.
Mate clearly you lack critical thinking skills. Can't blame you though, seems to be a rare commodity nowadays.
Critical thinking for saying Somalis should be united by one country. A country that maybe doesn’t massacre them and discriminate them routinely. Anyways I’m so confused why Kenyans hate this idea so much. You legit dislike Somalis and NFD counties is the lowest developed region. You hate us and don’t give a shit about us. Yet you cling to the land you have ZERO connection to just like your colonial masters did before. Act tough to Somalis yet when the whites and Indians come to your country you give them your house and wife. Shame
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