Tbh in lower elos your laners will legit force you to get leashed even if you ping them back. The knowledge is transmitting slowly from up to down, and apparently still hasnt reached that Briar. Only off metas still need a leash.
Tho it is pleasant to have someone providing vision in case of late invade. Late invade are insanely tilting as a jungler.
Im Plat 1, 1 game off Emerald, and consistently play E4/E3 elo, some times higher, I definitely think its not just lower elo, but new players that came back for this split and missed things.
Also, ik emerald isnt high elo, but i dont think it can be argued that its low elo either, legit had junglers call me stupid for even asking
Chilling in low gold rn so dont worry i wont call emerald (which is like top 25% anyway) low ELO lmao. Might also be returning players indeed.
high elo players saying the elo below is low elo has given me ptsd after all these years
Understandable lmao. There is such a BS culture of "unless you are in the top 0.001% you are bad" in Lol it is quite unique
Faker loses grand finals (washed)
league players can be very cringe lmao
Embrace it. If someone on the opponent team says you're bad, they're usually doing even worse. Tell them that you're still doing better than they are.
im not even talking about in game, im taalking about reddit, but yeah
Man, if I could get my team to scout for vision I would never complain about a leash again. Sick of having to use a ward on the side I'm not starting ;-;
I'm S2 for reference sooo 😂
Yeah fair enough, I hanged around plat for the entirety of the last split and slowly making my way back through gold currently, so that might be it.
But tbh with how obsessed players are with mindlessly copying high ELO and proplay you'd think this would stick out to them. Anyways no point on leashing because I know they wouldn't gank bot anyways
It's really like that, literally 100% of low elo junglers to this day demand leash every game, the only exceptions being Shaco and Kayn and still only sometimes
I just start raptors or wolves on every champ that I can, raptors krugs red feels way better
Be careful with that clear, you can be punished by the enemy jungler if you don't go to the raptors and do them at minute 4. If you are late and he steals it, you get really behind.
I love the triple kill at the bottom while Briar is still crying and pretending you need her gank
And it's 35 minute
Don't even notice that haha
I honestly thought it was intentional 😂 nice job either way 👏
"No gank for moron bot lane that just killed most of their team". Quite poetic.
This happens more times than not when I don't leash. I just leash whenever just to avoid situations like these, even just a couple shots.
Even though you're right, its not worth tilting your jungle.
Yeah, lost a game that way, i didn't leash and my jungler did not play the game, just kept farming non-stop, ganked nobody and never showed up to team fights.
When I started lol I saw a ton of kayns solo start raptors. 1 game the kayn was like "leash" while I said "just start raptors". He went to the lane, took the wave, smited even a minion and ran into the tower for first blood. Kept doing that on every lane and never got punished. But "ADCs are mental ill"🤷🏼♂️
There are asshats in every role sadly 🤷♂️
completly agree. its just for the memes that adc is the most mental ill role and jgl giga chads etc. i stated somewhere on that claim thats just like irl... you get idiots in school and your job, its no place where you dont have them.
IMO toplaners are usually the most unhinged ones, I say that as a jgl main lol. I rarely have the issues with/bot as I have with toplaners lol
Toplaner here! Not surprised, as we rarely interact with anyone else except for the jungler, so they are easy to blame (and to be fair, sometimes winning the game requires you to abandon top, which does tilt atleast me a lot). It is difficult to stay positive and mentaly sane as a toplaner, since the role is so unforgiving. I admit I have had my fair share of tilts, and still sometimes do (not in chat though). Honestly it is not too rare that the jungler, usually unintentionaly, effectively loses me the lane by messing up the wave state or by ganking at the worst time. That being said, I would still claim that toplaners are not the most unhinged ones. The ADC does not need to be useless for the rest of the game because they can't farm in order to flame. ADC does not need to do badly to flame. I have had so many ADCs disconnect before 10 minutes just because they mentaly boom. My secondary role is jungle, and I also have only ever received actual hardcore flaming from ADCs.
TLDR: Toplaners and ADCs suck and are insane, but some of us try to be better.
If I die and jngler pushes my wave to enemies turret I want to die
yup, even in places where idiots shouldn’t be :D it will always just be part of life unfortunately
I swear every time I'm not in the jungle I get someone either silent who was autofilled, or one of the biggest egos ever. That said, out of laners telling me I'm doing everything wrong, my experience has been largely ADCs and mid laners.
I've also met some of the coolest people in the game in all 3 positions though too. It's just roll of the dice.
To be fair, he would have still troll rhe game even if you leashed him... weak mental
I know. He would ran it down after starting drake with no lane prio or shit like that
That's what nobody else here is understanding lol
It's in his blood to be a weak minded bitch 😂
Kayn was right. Just because he can start raptors, doesn’t mean it’s better for him. (Assuming we’re talking a while ago) But anyways, junglers that have insane clear speeds also have less time to regen between camps, so if you leash Kayn it both gives him an even faster clear, and more hp to do so. This was fucking FANTASTIC for Kayn because he used to be so so weak without form, and him running into an enemy jungler often meant you automatically lose that fight. So Kayn getting his lvl 3 with near full hp and being able to gank mid or bot before the enemy jg even finished clear was a huge plus, especially because if it was successful he’d reset with an extra longsword at minimum and finish his clear and gank again on the other side of the map.
Anything to make Kayn’s early game better is great because he powerspikes that much harder when he gains form. It was just the most efficient way to play him. I haven’t played Kayn in a couple seasons so idk how it is these days, but it did make a huge difference to leash him back in 2017.
Grandpa, it was in 21 when every decent Kany did start raptors. And my lane had a great lvl 1 all in with xayah rakan in that match. Instead of playing the game normal Kany was just a classic "I am the main character" asshole which would run it down no matter what happened.
I doubt you’ve ever graced an elo that had decent players. I’m not sure how anyone could lie to themselves and think that being 20 seconds away from your 4th camp after you do your 3rd is a viable way to clear the jungle.
I doubt you have much friends or much knowledge, the way you type doesn't grace you with any of it. You other comment is already a pure shit take but kk keep talking and believe mate, maybe your dreams come true
Theres also buff extension often u can go raptors krugs red then after a full clear you have double buffs for a crab fight and yojr opponent wont.
And yet they wont be punished lol
Buncha toxic kids bro
No don’t bow down and enable bullies.
There’s an argument to be said that if your jungler is stupid enough to think they need a leash, and won’t gank you if you don’t; perhaps it works out for the best if said jungler doesn’t come to your lane to feed your opponents with bad ganks.
I just mute all. Better for your mental health. Let them explode if they want.
Hey, JG main here. That won't work cuz we gonna mute everyone first.
This Briar has other plans lol
Yep. He aint one of us
I'd rather not give in to bullies like this. If they asked nicely then I would, but I didnt say anything about the leash until the end of the game. He was an asshat out the gate 😅
Because holding a game hostage is not a mature way to handle things that dont go your way in a game, let alone life in general.
If he wants to tilt, he would of found something else to tilt about regardless of the leash. That is his personality, not my fault 😘
They weren’t going bot anyways. Also I love the “no ganks” threat it’s basically saying “I want to lose the game” because if a ganks good it’s counterproductive not to take it.
Almost every Jungle I played with who wrote bullshit like this in the chat after I didn't leashed him, ended up ganking me anyways (and most times even left the kill to me)
Once I said junglers don’t need a leash, and then the jungler decided to leash my waves from 2 minutes on and then said they were “ganking proactively” since we can’t leash for them. 😞
He was on demon time bro I'm sorry that happened to you
2024? a jg briar claiming leash?
what elo are ?
wood 257824?
Close, S2
dont trust in any jg how need leash
they are autofilled.
Maybe briar wanted to invade early or gank lvl 2, you never know, not in that ELO yeah BUT your comment is just untrue, there are situations a leash is still good.
the comment is true. his comment states, "junglers don't need leash anymore". it's facts, they don't NEED it. if they have a plan in mind, they can communicate WHY they would PREFER having a leash and respect their teams decisions instead of shitting all over themselves at the slightest inconvenience.
Leash is indeed needed. Its the difference of being 5 seconds early to get double crab/gank at lvl 4 or just let top lose advantage massively.
Im jungler at emerald and those 5 seconds generally secure me either double crab or just top/mid losing 1 level. In bpthe cases generally leads to 6 grubby games.
Eh. No. I posted on jungle mains and majority opinion was leash is next to never needed. In fact every high elo jungler said it wasn't needed (dia+). Emerald means nothing my guy if I can hit it in 10 games. Especially since I'm mediocre at best
Link to the high elo junglers saying that on junglemains?
Just told you I made a post. Check my history for it and read the comments
2 months ago and most answers and the most upvoted one are "it depends".
never because.umm everybody start in razor, briar e heal himself and stuns the camp for all his life. then you level up e and can invade, because his passive heal himself to, and his e, and the jungle item
Sir, this is Silver, not Emerald/Diamond+
yeah hows next? ww claiming leash?
What I meant is he is in Silver elo, an elo where junglers do not understand even the concept of full-clearing. Not knowing that you do not have to leash nowadays is normal stuff.
What do you expect?
learning the game? you can install the game you can read about it
Emerald diamond it’s still a coin flip if jg wants leash or not. I still get flamed frequently for not going to leash because I don’t want to hand prio over to a hook lane, or a poke lane
JG main lurking here - I always type in chat 'No leash - go win lane'
First time I ever saw a 5 way fist bump was off that comment 😂 Junglers that rage quit over not getting a leash in this season are likely so trash they weren't going to win anyway
Getting a leash off bot lane especially is starting out the game by putting your wincon lane at a disadvantage. Not a smart move.
fr pathing bot to top is already lowkey trolling these days, what u gonna do? gank malphite lvl 4?
Dive the lvl 2 Kayle with Ghost Flash, make her miss 4 waves and have a slow push back into your top laner, solo winning the entire game basically.
I mean if the ennemy does the same to your botlane you probably lose in the end, even with toplane controling the grubs it is still a harder lane to snowball, and only one dude ahead/behind compared to the two of botlane.
Tho yes obviously you still sometimes want to path for top, but more rarely.
If I have to guess, it's the autofills that want leash since they haven't practiced solo clearing efficiently.
Briar asking for a leash is literally griefing.
☠️
I'm a jungle main and the first thing I say in 95% of my games is no leash lol
Same
"I need to be in lane early, start topside if you want leash" has been my go to every game now.
3 things will happen:
- Jungle starts topside without complaining
- Jungle starts botside without complaining
- Supports griefs the lane by leashing for jungler and solo ints the laning phase by leashing until 1:45 like a complete bot.
This is plat elo.
Option 3 happens way too fucking often. The mindless leash. Even if they leave on time you lose the ability to push lane for level 2 because your terrorist will miss minions and be permanently behind.
Kekw terrorist, you fucked up my set at the gym because I kept thinking how funny this was.
I love when junglers say "no gank" like bro? You were really planning on ganking? No one's believing that.
Imagine asking for a leash from a vayne to get a 3 seconds faster full clear
Here from r/jgmains, we don’t need leash, 4 autos max on some champs but usually i prefer none so enemy doesn’t know where i started.
MOST important for laners to do is to stand at jg entrances like literal walking wards so at the very least we know we’re not getting invaded and/or know where the enemy places wards.
That briar is dumb
I always put a ward in tri for them if I don't leash
Dont put ward just stand there
If you need a leash and cannot full clear solo by 3:30 you need to consider a role change :)
When I jungler I tell them I don't need leash, when I adc I ask them if they need leash. It's fifty fifty. I'm still playing normals to level up for ranked.
What i started doing when my jg asks for leash i ask him for lvl 2 gank if he says no then i type "no leash" in all caps and go lane
Low elo junglers still do not understand that leeshing is trash
If junglers cry for leash in 2024 they are boosted animals that need to tank some looses. If they cry more I mute them and provide some loss for them.
thank god this doesn’t happen in higher elos
as if briar wasn't full health after her clear anyways, some ppl are delusional
Junglers still wanting leashes in 2024 btw. It’s actually so int for you to leash if you are laning in bot. Level 2 in bot is more important than any other lane as you have twice the spells, especially if you have engage. Can literally win the lane on the 3rd wave.
Sacrificing lane prio and getting level 2 first over enemies for a slightly faster jungle clear is never worth it under any circumstances. They will ask for leash then cry when you don’t come help for scuttle or dragon because you don’t have any prio and are behind precisely because you leashed.
Briar of all champs that has one of the healthiest clears you can get lmao
Im a jungle main. Who the fuck needs a leash on BRIAR. You don’t lose more than like 200 hp your entire clear unless you start standing still lmao
I specifically ping people off if they tried to leash me. I dont want the enemy knowing where I started.
The only time I may do it is if I know we neeed a bot gank at 2:30 and the enemy jungler wont steal my topside, then ill ask for a leash, and ask my bot to get pushed in so I can freely gank.
Don't waste your time arguing just mute
As a jg player I have the exact opposite problem; I often have to practically beg my teamates to NOT lease me. It gives away my position and were I started and also puts my laner in a disadvantage when it comes to wave management and xp. Sure I can get a gank like 5 seconds faster but I'm an otp, I know how to clear my jg.
The only jungler I can understand helping out with a lease is Sylas because his clear is slow and unhealthy but then again he is not a real jungler to begin with
Why is briar still able to chat after saying the word "retard"
Briar of all champs does not need a leash. Source : briar main
Lol Briar can start rapters or wolves and still finish clear well before 1:30 no leash needed. She has one of the healthiest clears in the game as well.
Mofu has almost 80 games on Briar with a 50% winrate, aka hardstuck in S4. I wouldn't expect anything this player says to be valid or worth taking seriously.
It really is frustrating sometimes. I usually ask the jungler ‚do you need leash‘ and so on but the other day my SUPPORT lost they shit when I asked that. They even said ‚what could you possible gain when you in lane lvl 1???‘ hahhaha. It’s wild
lol briar complaining about leash? that bitch was probably the healthiest i’ve been full clearing solo
junglers want a leash so they can contest crab faster. no one is worried about dying to blue anymore lol
Yeah and if they can’t clear leashless before 3:30 they’re a clown anyways. Most jungle champs can finish leashless by 3:15 if they press their buttons at the right time and path correctly. I can reliably hit 3:13 on briar, specifically.
thank god briar didnt play around the Vayne Pantheon botlane, they are notoriously weak early with like 0 CC. Especially against Ashe Hwei, two notoriously mobile champs.
Instead she played for mid and top, with easy to gank enemies such as yone and darious.
Nah but what is this icant
leash or not, jgl camp anyways their duo toplane. so its what ever
Rip imagine being stupid. Couldn't be Briar being dumb
Yeah that jungler is stupid i main jgl and no jgler needs a leash as long as u spend 5 minutes learning how to optimize ur clear even most off metas can clear in 3:30 only one ive seen who doesnt is nasus jgl if you unironically need a leash s14 its a huge skill issue
Why does a briar even need leash
My best friend in this game is named Mute.
Imagine playing briar and needing a leash lmao
Leash JG so that they never gank your lane. People are so entitled. The reality is that most junglers shouldn’t be starting on their buff, anyways.
Interacting with this person will only make them forget about the grievance after the game. If you just don’t interact there’s a chance the person forgets and focus on playing / winning instead (low chance prob)
As a Briar main we do not claim that one, also Briar doesn't need a leash you'll be full health by the time you've done your first clear and that's without buying a potion
Junglers are cry babies that don't know how the game works for the past 10pr so patches. You can't expect them to actually read patch notes, do you? Just hit 4 AA and go on your way. It gives their little doggy brain the dopamine they need to not tilt the game :) .
Max 3 shots as adc you can afford to leash because any more than 3 could guarantee your losing xp compared to your opponent. You have no idea how many matches I won because oponent adc leashed for too long
Classic
Honestly probably for the better there is 50+% chance she would die and feed enemy especially cause it's Briar
Sometimes you do on certain champs, and it can save you time to invade, but briar aint needeing no leash. Stuff that needs leashing is like, me taking q on amumu for invade and needing help so I’m not headbutting a camp for a whole minute.
As an off jungler player, I’ll say that literally none of the meta junglers need leashes anymore. In fact most of them can still clear pretty fast and healthy. People like this legit just suck at jungle (also asking for a leash as Briar of all champions?).
Ain't no way I'm leashing unless it's needed like for a sylas jg or something.
I'm a jungle main since s3, unless you are playing something like Sylas, requesting a leash is trolling.
As a jungle AND briar main I will say this is fucking stupid lol you don’t need a leash especially on briar. Like if they typed in chat “hey bot lane can I get a leash I want to invade fast or want to be a little bit faster” for something That’s fine, but just expecting a leash and crying u don’t get one is pathetic
As a jungle main, in soloq I prefer prio for my botlane + enemy jungler not knowing where I path to than clearing the jungle 3 seconds faster cause leash lol (but if they leash me I say ty for being good bois and trying to help me)
Low silver at 100%
What I don't get as a jungler is when laners come to leash for me and don't leave when I ping them off. I don't want them to reveal my position and more importantly I don't want them losing an early lead. Sometimes when I ping for them to leave they just question mark ping me lol
Alright the Briar is pretty belligerent and childish, but if a jungler asks for a leash you should probably give one. Maybe they are too new to the character to be comfortable doing it solo, or they have a faster clear with a leash. When I played Shaco for a minute, he can absolutely start without a leash, but there was a clear that was way faster where I could have my boxes take raptors for me while getting a leash to kill red and people would straight up refuse even though I could lvl 3 gank bot way ahead of normal timing.
If this is the start of the game from the JG I would assume they aren't going to be much help, leash, no leash or if you send them flowers and chocolates.
I still can't believe there are people like this.
Riot should delete chat in game at all, pings are more than enough Idc if it was useful that one time when your toplaner tell you to stop pushing so he can tp blablabla.
If it's useful 1/20 games and annoying or directly harmful the another 19/20 it shouldn't exist anymore
so I'm not really an ADC main, I'm on here to get better at it. I've always had the understanding that leasing can be useful regardless to avoid jungle invasions, or am I way off base with that?
Your parents didn’t have that talk with you? The internet is really taking the place of parents in raising their children smh.
I actually prefer no leash. If you leash me, it can potentially give the enemy jungler information and put you behind. All i want is for stand guard until like 1:20, and please remember your wards.
Aaaaaand now you know why I always leash unless the jungler explicitly indicates they don't need / want it.
Junglers don't lane, they don't understand the basics of 'level 1 cheese' Esp if its a tank into range support. I neeeeed to be there to make sure they arent gonna just cheese us to 50% hp.
Plus unironcally some champions leashes are so fucking bad, i swear they cant tell the difference otherwise
I love the little detail of a triple kill after she said no gank lmao
Imagine getting mad about not getting a leash in s14… getting a leash now a days is lowkey shooting yourself in the foot if they are even paying attention to the map.
Unless you're yummi jungle you don't need a leash, end of discussion.
So you wait 34 mins to unmute them to stir them up? Also, leashing is needed for some or they cant gank high hp after full clear, bro
Why do jungles not get leashes anymore ?
This honestly infuriates me some games I have jg pathings that are time sensitive but pay off massively and halving the time it takes to do first buff is huge and wins lanes and screws the enemy jg’s plans
Out tempo’ing the enemy jg is a compounding advantage and leashing at the start of the game is free and you don’t lose anything from it you still get to lane when the minions crash ?
Edit: important detail I’m a Nono and William otp The jg path I mentioned could be
Red > bot > enemy blue and gromp if they start topside then they will get to their bot side as I’m kiting the gromp away so without leash the gank doesn’t happen quick enough and I can’t save smite for gromp and use nimbus cloak to snowball into a gank bot or mid or back to my red side chickens to farm back topside
Some Jg mains are insane. If it’s an Elise/Nidalee and they want the leash so they can get an invade off? Okay fine that makes sense!
But when my full clear Warwick is begging for a leash when It’s like Zyra Caitlyn vs Ezreal Karma it’s like ????
I don't know why was Briar asking for leash, Briar really doesn't need a leash
Jungler wants leash = braim damage. No jungler needs leash
But why are some junglers so fixated with a leash ? When you listen to them it's like "botlane didn't leash so now we're gonna lose the game". They won't even try to play the game because you didn't waste 10 seconds to do a marginal amount of damage on the first monster they slay in a game that's probably going to last around 30 minutes.
As a jungler to my adc mains I will never ask for a leash nor do I need one but I will always gank whenever able as y'all are generally chill and some of the cooler players I meet.
... Briar... One of the junglers with Best sustain...
I usually ask our jungler if they need leash hoping they say no. Even at plat - emerald elo jungles get so salty and I rather have a poor laning fase than a jerk annoying tilted jungler.
As a jgler, I will say it depends on which champ it is. In this example, yes, you should leash. Briar has no natural health regen and can’t kite out camps, so no leash for briar is pretty risky because her early clear is dog shit. It’s still possible to do, but then it puts her at risk of getting invaded, killed at scuttle or not having enough hp to capitalize on her pretty strong early ganks and fights. I don’t expect everyone to know if every champ needs a leash or not, for example ammumu needs one while kayn doesn’t, but when a jg requests a leash, you should go and help. If they don’t request one or say not to leash, which most will, then it’s not necessary. Worst case scenario is the jg babyraging and inting the whole game bc they didn’t get a leash, best case is they live with it and play farming simulator for the whole early game, but don’t expect any ganks during that time. Depending on the champ, they’re either going to be really low without leash or are useless pre 6 and need to wait longer for their camps to respawn because of the “late” clear. Same thing goes for early drags, grubs and even both scuttles.
This is why I play muted and from just general game sense. Makes it easier honestly.
You wake up and Q up for adc
It's good you're aware of your braindamage
“No ganks for moron bot lanes”
proceeds to get a triple kill 😂😅
i play jg and adc so im not biased either way. yeah the briar is a dumbass but ur playing in silver so what can you expect. ive been on both sides- i can be jg and spam pinging no help because im playing something like yi and you leashing is going to screw me over or i can be adc and my jg is crying for a leash but if i leash and the enemy doesnt then its just cooked.
i used to do leashless EVERY GAME but kinda got lazy and if they want to leash they can. but some of these adc's dont know when they can or cant and just default to doing it and end up losing lane cause they didnt respect lvl 2 prio.
my best advice is if you are adc and you know that leashing will screw you then type it out during champ select or the start of the game. if you frame it like yo i cant leash cause then we will insta lose bot then usually they are understanding.
Every game: /mute all When I saw the meta shift relieving adcs of their leashing responsibilities, I knew that command was gonna be invaluable
Jg is constantly roaming around the map and helping his teammates while they flame him all game. Now adcs are getting mad that they have to help the jg for a few seconds at the beginning of the game lol. Adcs got that main character syndrome bad
lol I was jg/adc now jg/mid player
Why do this dudes thing they need a leash💀
I’d rather get into a nice spot in lane and jump enemy bot for a free trade or just be there to get the push so we can make magic happen at level 2
Champs with slow clears can almost always raptors/wolves start too like sejuani and rammus
I always leash even a little bit. U can still get ur wave leash and give some kind of helpful leash
Leashing is really bad, since you have to cross 2 bushes in order to get to lane in which enemy has first move advantage on you. In higher elos people don't leash, they cheese or even prep minions before wave reaches the middle of the lane to play for their win conditions. Plus leashing was nerfed this patch, idk why people keep doing it.
Meanwhile enemy ADC takes minion agro so all 3 casters focus melee minion and burst it before you get to lane.
In low elo u dont gotta worry tooo much tbh
No opportunity for cheese though.
You shouldn't leach, winning your lane is more important, more so playing for your win condition, leashes have been nerfed. Only way you would leash is in this scenario is to prevent bad mental of your jungler or cause you wouldn't get prio even if you tried(applies only to higher elos since they play for win condition properly and like to get push first). And even so I wouldn't do it. I hate that my adc as a support does it cause it is dangerous to go back to lane. Continue not leashing.
Gwen jungle player here: I never ask for leashes and even deny leashes. Some champs I can kinda see wanting a leash, especially those that tend to have a more unhealthy and/or slow clear, but many champs really do not need a leash. I used to play adc and the difference between leashing and not leashing actually felt pretty significant. While it does make the jungler’s clear slightly more unhealthy and/or slower, it helps laners more than it disadvantages the jungler.
TLDR; Gwen jungle main, leashing is stupid. Better not leash for most jg champs. Jg mains stupid if they always want leash.
We attempted to cheese opposing botlane via sitting in first bush. I told our jungler that we won't leash and he continued to call out our cheese on all chat...
You have to leash jungle just because if you don’t 1/4 jungles will mental boom and grief. I just give three sympathy autos and run.
Insight: it’s very interesting how not knowing who the 1/5 griefers are makes you have to treat 5/5 as if they are griefers
I never leash, if they say something just say you had to argue with your wife about tonight’s plans. Always works
Any jungler that can’t clear without a leash probably shouldn’t be playing jungle
Papa Riot however will increase their damage against monsters until they don’t need leash to create monstrosities like jungle brand.
good jgls dont need leashes unless theyre playing eve or teemo or whatever (or maybe theyre an autofill but then youre already hugely disadvantaged anyway) with a bad early clear so no point leashing
¯_(ツ)_/¯ if they want a leash thats a good why to know a bad jgl!
I mean if you know you’re 100% going to hurt your weak-clear jungler by not leashing, you should probably leash lol
yes? if you have a barely-a-champ-before-6 jgl like eve you should leash as i said too
but briar really doesnt need one
I'm very low ELO and so I still leash every time. I have actually just come back from a 2 year break and am actually shocked to learn leashes are not considered to matter.
What has changed such a fundamental part of the game? because the other team is always late back to lane I never find that I'm behind them to lvl 2.
riot made other roles do way less dmg on jg camps than jglers do. You barely speed up the clear.
The jungle pet item is strong as fuck
See, this is why leashing is so important, leashing is something that keeps junglers mental together.
Just leash, even if you give a bad one. If they don’t need one or want one just let them tell you. If you’re not afraid of typing just ask “need a leash?”.
Babysitting your teammates mental will almost always outway a tiny lane advantage. Just make sure to get to lane while it’s just a tiny one
Well, if I'm playing Poppy, for example, if I get a leash I do a lvl 2 gank on bot. If I don't, I lose the timing. The leashed jungler might also have prio over a non leashed jungler. Just don't see a reason to drop the leash, even if it's shorter.
This is so true. If I don’t get a leash, I just end up farming jg for longer to catch up, then there is no good gank bot, because my bot is pushed up
As a jg main idc about leash Sure its nice if i get one but its not that dramatic if i dont, im a lil upset at worst but continue the game as usual, i just dont expect to get a scuttle with no leash thats it
To be perfectly honest...if you are playing below diamond, you can totally leash as an ADC with minimal drawbacks. Most plat adcs dont know what to do early game and they just last hit the first wave. Even IF you are playing in high emerald, you can leash, but hit the buff like 3 times and leave. I reached Diamond as ADC last split btw, this is not an advice on what to do/ more of what I did and still got me there. If you reach lane "late" ask your support to help you hit the wave, even if you get 0 out of 6 minions its probably better than to trade 60% of your HP to a lv2 enemy while lv1 (or worse)
Just leash for crying out loud. Why tilt your jungler?
Because holding a game hostage is not a mature way to handle things that dont go your way in a game, let alone life in general.
If he wants to tilt, he would of found something else to tilt about regardless of the leash. That is his personality, not my fault 😘
What are you talking about, League is a team game. IMO, I just think you're the one that's being immature.
You should still leash jungle the fuck?
As a jg main - leash is not required, but always helpful. That extra 5 sec you save on your clear can be detrimental.
Leash is not usually necessary but it helps a lot with clear time + health. It usually depends on matchups and how much damage the jungler can deal to the camp in the lowest amount of time (regardless if dps oe burst). In Briar's case, usually wouldn't need a leash except if the matchup means she might get invaded on her second quadrant. Also something to keep in mind, some people don't know how to properly pilot the first clear with their champ. I've went leashleds many times on evelynn while one of my friends died to blue.
You lose nothing by leashing, you should have done it. I get wanting to be selfish because everyone acts selfish towards us, but you genuinely gain more from making the jungler feel nice than you do from hiding in the bush and getting a free auto on the enemy adc.
so i should auto red until 1:37 and automatically lose lvl2 prio, showing entire enemy team where you started your clear? Instead of sitting in bush closest to enemy tower as naut/pyke where i can hook them for free past their wave if they try to touch a creep, instantly winning lane?? Lol xDD
Yes, you are stupid. Drop the ego. You know this is how most of them are, yet you don't bother to do it or ask if they want one. Then you post about it on reddit. This is not a unique interaction, nor does it help in any way.
Mofu is that you
Why is it so hard for yall to just auto 5 times and go? 😭
The 500 dmg makes a 2 second difference which matters 1 out of 10 games. You just give your jungler a small lead in exchange for nothing...
Now i see why everyone calls adc's crybabyes...
"please grief your entire lane for me to 1/10 games take advantage of the 2 second tempo, PLEASE, YOU DON'T GET IT I NEED TO BE 98% HEALTH AT CLEAR INSTEAD OF 95% AND WILL PING YOU AND FLAME WHEN YOU HAVE NO PRIO, CS LEAD, OR ABILITY TO HELP WITH DRAKE"
go fuck yourself, jgl pig
Im an adc main... I said that cause i saw my adc have his first scuttle stolen in the last 200 hp too many times...
You got to play botlane and find out for yourself. When your laning into 2 lane bullies and they don't leash it is extremely difficult to get any lane control back. They hit level 2 first which means they will hit level 3 first and so on. This has impacts on the junglers as well, it will be difficult for your bot lane to rotate to scuttle, place deep wards in the enemy jungle ect. There are certain matchups where the enemy is weak enough early that it doesn't matter if your adc leashes or not. But Senna support or any mage support will make it hard.
Im an adc main, trust me, i know
With random supports there's no telling if your wave will go how you want it to. The jg however, that's more predictable
I really don't get what happened, by the end of the split most junglers were aware that leash was pointless but after the crit update dropped everyone is begging for them again.
So fking annoying when cait is in every game and I need to get a push lead too