Hmm…that’s not really how archaeology conducted in the last 50 years or so works - if you’re going through the trouble to excavate a site, any artifacts found are going to be removed and curated because that’s why you’re doing it: those sherds and flakes and animal bones are what tell you what people were doing at the site, who they traded with, and when they were there. Leaving excavated artifacts behind would be massively counterproductive for those goals, not to mention unethical. Do you see big, open excavations at these sites that haven’t been backfilled? If so, that’s a big clue that looters have been at work, rather than professional archaeologists. Looters are usually only after whole, unbroken pots they can sell, so they leave everything else behind.

And I will reiterate one more time that unexcavated sites often have a lot more on the surface than you would expect. It’s important to remember that big villages where people lived for a long time weren’t usually all built and lived in at one time: some parts of the site were being lived in while others had been abandoned or were being newly built. The architecture represented by a large site reflects the totality of that construction and occupation history over time: expansion and growth as well as contraction and decline. And it’s very, very typical - virtually ubiquitous, in fact - for parts of ancestral Puebloan sites that were unoccupied or in disrepair at a given moment in time to be filled in with trash deposited by the people who continued to live in other parts of the village. I expect the kinds of trash-deposition patterns you’re describing reflect that kind of complex settlement history.

My nonsense is very low-key. No skittering across Central without looking, no passing out in the middle of the sidewalk, no stolen bikes, no fent.

Sorry, but as a Spanish-speaking New Mexican I’m legally obligated to point out that in Spanish the accent on “chile” is on the first syllable, not the last one.

Nope…the first Spanish entrada into what is now New Mexico was in 1538, and that was out by Zuni Pueblo. As the other commenter says, the Spanish weren’t really in the El Paso area until the 1580s, and not really in New Mexico to stay until the early 1600s.

It’s possible that Alvar Cabeza de Vaca and his fellow Narvaez survivors passed near El Paso in the mid-1530s on their way back to Mexico from eastern Texas, but the other commenter is right about that too: they weren’t really in a position to make maps, so we don’t know for sure where they were.

The “returning it to where you found it” part is key. The little piles people like to make of all their finds are pretty annoying and greatly reduce what the sherds can tell about the places they’re found.

I love them both. Jawbreaker are pretty respected and have had several wildly successful tours since they re-formed. I think one reason you don’t hear about them here so much is that the emo and indie-rock scenes claim them more passionately than the punk scene does now. Even though they were definitely part of the scene the first time around.

Lifetime seem to be much more forgotten now, and I’m not sure why. I think they were much more regional back in the day: super-well known on the east coast, but we didn’t really start hearing about them on the west coast until right before they broke up. Their roots were also more in the hardcore scene than the punk scene, which might be another reason you don’t hear about them so much here.

The other thing about Lifetime - and it’s super-annoying - is all the slightly younger bands who blatantly ripped off their sound and became much, much more successful than Lifetime was. It’s really aggravating to hear emo kids go off about a band like Saves the Day while being completely ignorant of Lifetime.

Fortunately collection and repository rules wouldn’t really let an out-of-state institution claim ownership of a collection like that anymore, let alone put it on display out of state. The way modern rules are written ensure that newly-collected artifacts remain in the care of the state in which they were collected, if not the tribe or local jurisdiction. Most of the time archaeologists leave things where they found them now, and things they do collect (usually things that get dug up and can’t be put back) often get returned to a tribe and/or put right back in the ground. At worst, they’re carefully curated at museums or other institutions here in New Mexico.

So the challenge now is getting those old collections back to where they belong; the Field Museum is typically pretty bad about returning stuff like that. But it’s happening: the Poeh Museum at Pojoaque Pueblo has a big exhibit of Tewa pottery that was returned to them by an East Coast museum, and all of the collections - including human remains - from the big excavations at Pecos Pueblo were returned from Harvard to Jemez Pueblo (where Pecos descendants now reside) a few years back.

As far as this site goes, I mean “archaeological site” in the sense of “site of archaeological/cultural importance,” not that archaeologists had previously worked here. This doesn’t look like an excavated site, just one where a lot of people lived for a long time (and broke a lot of pottery alone the way). Most people are only familiar with what sites look like once they’re excavated and cleaned up for tourism, but big villages have lots of artifacts on them, and that means lots of sherds.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of archaeological sites in New Mexico, and as others note places like WNMU already have their hands full with the sites they’re currently investigating and the artifacts and remains they already have in their collections. It’s always worth reporting a site like this to a university or the appropriate agency (depending on whose land it is), especially if you can describe it in detail in a relatively informed way, but it’s unlikely anyone will exactly be springing into action as a result.

And as always, remember that publicly disclosing the locations of sites located on tribal, state or federal land to the general public is prohibited by federal and state law.

It’s an archaeological site: people lived there at one time, probably 8 or 900 years ago at least.

As others have said, please don’t take or disturb anything. Looting is not only disrespectful and destroys our ability to learn about the past, on state, federal or tribal land it’s also illegal.

Best East Side taco truck?Question

It seems pretty obvious that Albuquerque’s best Mexican food trucks are out on the far West Side. But man it’s a long drive out there. Is there anything good on the East Side? I know there are a lot of trucks along East Central and Zuni, but are any of them awesome enough to justify dealing with the nonsense all the street denizens bring to that area? Or do I just need to sack up and drive out to 86th Street?

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That one-game win streak was fun while it lasted

Michael Thomas Coffee roasts and sells all their own stuff.

Then again, if Europe gets counted as a continent India could probably make a case for it too (only kind of kidding). Certainly Europe and India are comparable in terms of their internal cultural, linguistic and religious diversity: India might even be more diverse.

It’s in bold because it’s considered another meal. “Tea” still refers to a set late-afternoon/early-evening meal in a lot of the UK, especially among the kind of working class folks that would have been traveling third class. It’s usually somewhere between a big snack and a light dinner, and explains why the “supper” listed here seems so meager: it was a small snack right before bed after people had already eaten at teatime.

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Not even alphabetical order puts them that near the top.

It’s earlier than the most recent tour. His hair is different than it is now.

New Mexican red and green chile sauce isn’t “hot sauce,” for starters.

The people who make these maps never have any clue about how New Mexican food works…”hot sauce” lol.

He announced it on his social media before the Latin American shows he had to miss. It sort of sounded like cancer of some sort, but who knows?

It seemed like he was really enjoying Twitter for a while there but yeah, the bullshit people throw at him has really turned him off of it. You can hardly blame him.

That’s good to hear at least.

Starved for news!

I know we all got spoiled with last year’s tours but things sure are quiet lately…anybody have any news, gossip or updates about what the band is doing? I don’t mess with X, but it seems like Robert is tweeting sporadically again: is he just retweeting stuff, or is there more informative/entertaining content as well? What about Roger? Any updates on his health? Any news from anybody else?

It’s been discussed a lot and Santa Fe just implemented it for city elections. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of?