I think for most people it’s a combination of childhood indoctrination, mental health struggles, and poor emotional intelligence. I used to wonder how so many arguably intelligent people (for example, lawyers and doctors) could still believe in god. I now believe that it’s a global epidemic of emotional immaturity.

Here are some hallmarks of emotional immaturity - how many religious people do you know that can be described by these?

Thoughts about life are simplistic, literal and rigid. Dislike the uncertainty of an evolving reality.

A need to control others through guilt, anger, or shame.

View others as incompetent.

Express charm and charisma.

Define self and others by their roles in a binary way; submissive or dominant.

Poor filters, say whatever comes to mind without regard for others’ feelings. Claims it is “being honest”.

Poor listeners, un-attuned, and unable to resonate with others who disagree with their opinions.

“Affective realism” - things are as they feel at the moment.

Unable to learn from errors because actions are not connected as a possible cause of harm to others.

Fundamentally fearful and insecure.

Defend what is familiar because complexity is overwhelming.

Do not trust or desire to learn or comprehend complex concepts.

Rigid about rules but change the rules when it benefits them.

Proud of being unyielding and judgmental, but call their rigid thinking “moral fortitude”.

Use superficial logic to shut down other people’s feelings. “You shouldn’t feel that way because…"

Believe that if only others would plan well enough, they can avoid all mistakes, and others should always feel bad about their mistakes.

See other people’s boundaries as something to overcome.

Dismiss or scoff at personal growth. Are threatened by the suggestion they are not perfect.

I’m a 4 too. Seriously, good on you for getting the help you need. Therapy has been a game changer for me, and childhood is definitely at the core of what I discuss with my therapist.

Hey Millennials, what is your Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Score?Serious

One point for each “yes”.

Before your 18th birthday:

  1. Did a parent or other adult in the household often or very often… Swear at you, insult you, put you down, or humiliate you? or Act in a way that made you afraid that you might be physically hurt?
  2. Did a parent or other adult in the household often or very often… Push, grab, slap, or throw something at you? or Ever hit you so hard that you had marks or were injured?
  3. Did an adult or person at least 5 years older than you ever… Touch or fondle you or have you touch their body in a sexual way? or Attempt or actually have oral, anal, or vaginal intercourse with you?
  4. Did you often or very often feel that … No one in your family loved you or thought you were important or special? or Your family didn’t look out for each other, feel close to each other, or support each other?
  5. Did you often or very often feel that … You didn’t have enough to eat, had to wear dirty clothes, and had no one to protect you? or Your parents were too drunk or high to take care of you or take you to the doctor if you needed it?
  6. Were your parents ever separated or divorced?
  7. Was your mother or stepmother:
    Often or very often pushed, grabbed, slapped, or had something thrown at her? or Sometimes, often, or very often kicked, bitten, hit with a fist, or hit with something hard? or Ever repeatedly hit over at least a few minutes or threatened with a gun or knife?
  8. Did you live with anyone who was a problem drinker or alcoholic, or who used street drugs?
  9. Was a household member depressed or mentally ill, or did a household member attempt suicide?
  10. Did a household member go to prison?

Thanks very much for sharing this resource with me - will check it out!

Thanks very much! Definitely need to think about regular blookwork.

Thank you for your input and sharing this resource with me, much appreciated!

Fantastic - I will check these out. Thank you for sharing!

I do not live there, but I was visiting Indiana, USA. The fact that the farm is open to the public makes me believe the way the animals were housed is “best case scenario” and it was still AWFUL. I do not understand how so many people walked away unaffected. It would be like housing a human toddler in a bathtub with no enrichment.

Absolutely. Once I finally received a proper mental health diagnosis at 36 (complex PTSD) and started trauma-informed therapy, my entire life changed for the better. It truly was an awakening, and I'm happier than I ever thought possible. I never believed I could have a “peaceful” brain.

Far too many people will never get the opportunity to understand just how much of their brains were shaped by Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE score) or emotional neglect from emotionally immature parents. I have a theory that the reason so many millennials are overwhelmed by life and struggling to cope is that our central nervous systems are quite literally burned out from childhood.

It’s cliche, but knowledge truly is power. I try to read as much as I can about the effects of adverse childhood experiences (ACE scores), attachment parenting, and cultivating emotional maturity. In addition to my own cPTSD, I think it has helped me become a pretty trauma-informed parent. I would say I do my best to parent from a trauma-informed lens. I think developing emotional maturity is a particularly big one that previous generations missed. The book "Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents: How to Heal from Distant, Rejecting, or Self-Involved Parents” by Lindsay Gibson was eye-opening. The “How to talk so kids will listen” series by Joanna Faber and Julie King was also extremely helpful.

This is very helpful, thank you for sharing!

Vitamin suggestions for a total newbie

Hello All,

I visited a factory farm last Friday - took a tour of the pig breeding and gestation areas. These “clean and industry standard” conditions were just horrifying. I cannot in good conscience contribute to the suffering of farm animals simply because I enjoy the taste and ease of meat. These poor creatures…it’s just heartbreaking.

I’m only a few days into trying to eliminate animal products from my diet, but I want to put myself in the best position to be successful as I learn new recipes, vegan substitutes, etc. Can you please recommend a multivitamin (or a few staple vitamins) that can help ensure I’m getting sufficient vitamins and minerals immediately as I figure out this new way of eating? It seems like B-12 and iron are the big ones to supplement. As I work on a grocery list and choose some beginner vegan recipes, I’m just eating smoothies with almond milk and PB2, veggie sandwiches, and rice and veggie bowls.

Thank you for the help!

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1.Succumbing to the pressure of having kids you don’t really want, and then being a lazy parent. If you do not view having a child as a lifelong commitment and the absolute most important thing you will ever do, you should not be a parent. I see plenty of fellow millennial parents that needed a pet, not a child.

2.Not recognizing, and working to change, how much we have failed men in emotional development and mental health. As a wife and mom (and just as a human), my heart breaks with how many men never received proper emotional support and opportunities for emotional expression and growth as children from their parents, made worse by lasting toxic social/cultural narratives. And then we turn around and vilify them for it as adults (“Why is he so angry?” “Why can’t he express himself?”). Not enough millennial woman recognize that these are learned skills that so many men were robbed of. And some millennial parents are still imparting ridiculous “be a man” stereotypes to their sons. It’s emotional neglect.

If being a humanist makes me spiritual, yes I am. I have a deep respect for natural law and the incredible beauty resulting from billions of years of evolution. I am inspired by the capabilities of the human species and what can be achieved when we come together. Not believing in something divine does not make life any less magical.

I am also a vocal atheist that started my healing journey from cPTSD needing to talk about my deep anger at religion. I believe organized religion holds us back from reaching our true potential as a species at least because staunch religious-based morality has caused a global epidemic of emotional immaturity. I believe without the indoctrination of children, religion could not exist, and that teaching children purely religious-based values is at best lazy and at worst child abuse.

In the US, insane education costs can start way before high school ends for your kid. If you have to pay for full-time childcare, group or in-home, you’re basically paying college tuition the week parental leave ends. For people that plan on being a stay-at-home parent or have free help from family, it may not be a concern. But for those of us that need private childcare from infancy, it’s something you have to consider and plan for. I live in the Midwest. Quality full-time (Monday - Friday) childcare costs $15,000 - $20,000 per child.

Childcare reform, such as making 0-5 childcare part of public education, is something that needs to happen if we want younger generations to WANT to become parents.

There is no way that a majority of the “NTA” votes are from parents.

YTA. From one parent to another - there are very, VERY few circumstances in which we can justify throwing our children to the wolves and hurting them by our own hands. This was not one of them. You’ve now lost your daughter. And your daughter lost not just her husband, but her father too.

Why? I think it’s because millennials are the product of widespread childhood trauma and emotional neglect. With limited awareness of and access to comprehensive mental healthcare for personal growth and healing, specifically talk therapy, our central nervous systems (and mental coping skills) are quit literally shot by the time we have kids of our own. However, it’s a reason not an excuse. Parents of any generation that are unable or unwilling to mentally endure the challenges of teaching a child emotional regulation/intelligence or do not value their child’s growth and development (including academic milestones like literacy) SHOULD NOT HAVE KIDS. If your child cannot regulate their emotions because you shoved an iPad or smart phone in their face since infancy, it’s your fault. You failed them, you need to hear that, and you need to do better. It’s MADDENING to hear all the BS excuses Millennials and Gen Xers make for giving their kids unchecked or unlimited tablet/phone and internet access. And the parent’s excuse is ALWAYS, “it’s just easier.”

And yes, I am a working mom to a preschooler that didn’t allow any screens until our child was 3. Now, screen time is monitored, limited, and earned with good behavior. I would never give my son a screen to mitigate his bad behavior. Is it hard? Absolutely. Parenting is HARD. Millennial and Gen X parents need to stop patting ourselves on the back simply because we're not beating or screaming at our kids, and realize we’ve found new ways to let them down and stunt their development.

If you think it’s acceptable to always give your child a phone/tablet when they’re having a meltdown, misbehaving, or generally just being difficult/annoying/bored (you know - being a kid) rather than doing the hard work to teach them how to regulate their emotions, you have ZERO business being a parent. Your underdeveloped iPad child is ruining Gen alpha for the rest of our kids.

Hey Friend, I’m so sorry you’re hurting. I think many people in this community struggle with this, including myself.

Being a people pleaser makes me feel small and so very exhausted. I only recently realized that I’ve been doing it most of my life. I don’t know your story, but if it helps, people pleasing is not merely a “bad habit” to be broken. For me (and maybe you) it is an honest to god survival skill that I have to unlearn. In my childhood, people pleasing quite literally helped me survive. People pleasing and emotional handling (prioritizing and embodying the feelings of others) were skills I learned to try to control my environment and feel safe. If others in my family were unhappy, angry, or unpredictable, I knew I would ultimately end up feeling sad and anxious and helpless. It was a “walking on egg shells” existence.

The problem is, it no longer serves me now that the threats of childhood have passed, and actively hurts me in current relationships in my life. Working with my counselor on feeling seen and heard has helped me tremendously along with learning (and putting into practice) that the negative feelings of others are not mine to internalize.

I wish I could give 53 year old and 5 year old you the biggest, most protective hug imaginable. I’m so very sorry you endured that torment, friend.

And if I can be spiteful…may you do a jig on his grave.