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This is what those ATACAMS were aiming at.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1dn33pp/launch_of_eight_atacms_ballistic_missiles/
Was this system still in use by Russia? Maybe connected to the reported Russian nuclear anti satellite system? That might explain why it was targeted.
\EDIT: It WAS staffed by some military personnel during the Cold War, but was only used for civilian missions/satellites. This stopped be the time the USSR fell apart. As of now it's a purely military facility.**
This was part of the Soviet civilian scientific satellite control network. It was meant to be shut-down post Cold War, but was used to support Russian scientific satellites, and Ukraine allowed for it to be not only operational, but they kept it running themselves. All staff after 1991 were locals, and with very specialized training and experience for this system.
When the Russians annexed Crimea, the majority (at gunpoint or willingly?) agreed to help operate the complex for the Russian military. Since then it's been a 100% Russian MOD installation, and quite possibly with traitorous Ukrainians among the workers there.
It's a good target as it now reduces Russia's ability to communicate with their slowly degrading and not replaced often enough military satellites that fly over and near this station. I suspect their ELINT and optical surveillance satellites are now having problems with seamless contact with the ground due to this strike.
Having just watched the movie Virus yesterday, it is better when Russia is not receiving any (strange) messages from space.
If aliens did beam down and took over the Russian facility, they'd probably be so disappointed and disgusted by typical Russian behaviour and sense of cleanliness they'd beam back up and leave.
Also related, yesterday I watched the move I.S.S.
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Way to ' ATAC'eM ' Ukraine!
I suppose that makes more sense but I still want to see them take out Roscosmos scientists/astronauts/other personnel.
Considering Roscosmos is one of the few places that Russia maintains semi-positive and neutral contacts with the West, wouldn't that be a bad idea?
I seem to recall them stating they were withdrawing from the ISS project in a year or so (and the ISS is scheduled to be decommissioned soon anyway), but aren't they still involved in supplying and supporting the ISS?
To answer the lat part, when Starliner is approved as mission worthy, then no. Until then, yes.
Starliner is meant to replace all of Progress' functions. With SpaceX and Cygnuss, we won't need the Russian side anymore.
Russian contact with the west should be cauterized and Russians should be forced to remain in their country. We are better without them, they are worse without us, and that's good enough for me.
Dual use technology- if you can build rockets that put people in space, you can build missiles that can blow up cities. See NASAs pet Nazis.
They are legitimate and priority targets.
Uh, what? Russia has had design bureaus building successive generations of ICBM's for decades. You would hit those, not Roscosmos if you are trying to actually kill military rocket engineers and others with expertise on the matter of ballistic missiles, MIRV warheads and more.
So you think physics has a civilian variant and a military variant? Or did you think i was saying OR?
They’re all marked. That’s how it works when you aid s fascist regime. Legitimate targets of war, as those targets present themselves.
Welcome to the real world, and how war actually works.
K.
Let's NOT cheer for or encourage the deaths of civilians, please.
All Cosmonauts are originally air force pilots, but America and russia consider our peaceful space programs and our military programs to be separate ventures. There is going to be a lot of unavoidable overlap on both sides. The same rockets that put people in space can deliver nuclear warheads anywhere on Earth, and combat pilots are accustomed to the sort of forces that space flight exerts on the human body. It's unfeasible to completely wall off one endeavor from the other.
It's all about turning swords into plowshares, right?
I'm the Moderator of r/Azov. I'm also the Moderator of r/HeroesofRussia. I'd like to see Ukraine win this war as soon as possible, so America and russia can get back to building space stations together. The more Cosmonauts russia still has on the roster after this war is over, the better for everyone.
Edit: and to respond to the other comment that you also just deleted;
I disagree. Every child has the right to dream. Every child has a right to a better world than the one they were born into. Cheering for the deaths of people who are trying to make the world a better place is not how we make the world a better place.
Why?
I thought Russians are the one who target and murder civilians, not Ukrainians?
What would attacking Roscosmos, and civilian astronauts, scientists, workers at the launch facilities achieve exactly? You just want to kill any Russians you can or what?
*Going after the Russian air and space forces personnel who maintain and operate these stations and have that invaluable knowledge of interpreting the data and conducting the launches, design of the satellite payloads I can understand. They are fair game. *
Jesus fuck dude.
Bait is bait leave it
It's saddening to see that Ukraine has to resort to destroying what is in principle its own property. Muscovy must absolutely make reparations after this war, even though I doubt it will have anything left.
They sank their own fleet rather than let it get into Russian hands.
Ukraine would pull itself further onto the sword just to spit in khuilo's face.
That’s metal af
If Europe is any indication.. if one can find any advantage to the horrors of war it could be said to be the rebuilding phase with allies.
Many cities were bombed flat. Priceless history and lives were lost.. yet those cities rose from their own ashes and defiantly live anyway.
I've seen plenty of death. I have also seen ooh so much of the strength of humanity to thrive in spite of death.
What'll happen is that Ukraine will rebuild everything on Russia's dime. They'll make a leap and become eventually a first-class western nation because of this experience.
In the end Russians are left to wonder why everybody hates them, even though "it's was not our fault, but Putins".
300b frozen is a start and in case swampland survives in its current borders - binding agreement with a multitude of guarantors and list of ramifications in case they don’t hold up their end.
That might cover the superficial cost. I think it will take more than the world can muster to heal the real scars, visible and invisible. Ukraine must flourish and exceed the harm done to it by the will of one little man and his strata of cultural evil.
Not only Ukraine must flourish, but "Russia" should fracture and former states themselves regain identity and sovereignty. I fear that the cultural genocide there in many places is now beyond repair for any good future.
I have absolute faith that Ukraine will precipitate the dismantling of this evil Muscovian shithole.
I don’t see any scenario where the Russian Federation doesn’t break up further. I see a bunch of the Stan’s breaking away, Georgia reclaiming its chunk of frozen conflict territory, and maybe even Chechnya overthrowing their current leadership and trying to leave again.
The only thing keeping these satellite states in Russia’s orbit are threats of force, and the dismemberment of Russia’s army in Ukraine is going to take a lot of the teeth out of that threat.
Did Ukraine actually use it? To me it looks like a Soviet Aerospace Installation that is only useful for a space program. Might have been a similar situation as Baikonur Cosmodrome that ended up in Kasachstan.
I honestly can't say. Regardless, it is Ukrainian property and all must be returned and repaid.
Not disagreeing, but if they destroy an installation which only purpose is to be leased to the Russian space program, it is not going to be missed after the war.
Absolutely. I hope there was some military usage taken from Muscovy via this strike.
The article mentioned it controls the satellites for the Russian positioning system.
Russian glide bombs use GLONASS. This will affect that system.
Hopefully to the point that they stop using them, but we can only hope.
Good information to know.
Any glonass person knows that!
Looking back, yes, so it does! Also electronic warfare systems destroyed, hopefully. I'm glad that this degrades Muscovy's capabilities in the region. These scumbags need driving out.
I doubt Ukraine would waste hard or soft resources to target facilities that do not pose a direct threat. I can only assume it was operational in some capacity, or they would not have targeted it. It may have been done with foreign help, given Russia's threats to take out other country's satellite systems and other types of space based surveillance.
Definitely could have been being used to coordinate spy satellites.
Ukraine hit the space invaders communications centre? HELL YEAH!!!
Space invaders invaded?
Invading Space Invaders Space Invasion Hardware. Or ISIS-IH
Seems so, ATACMS is hard to intercept but certainly not impossible. ATACMS flies a constantly corrected flight path, bunts and turns suddenly and unpredictably so that makes it even harder to hit.
The Russians did intercept something over a populated area like the idiots they are. The AD operators either didn't check or never cared about the intercept trajectory and point of intercept of whatever Ukrainian missile/rocket was hit. The Russians seem to forget that usually when you intercept something, the warhead may detonate on the target, and debris has a predictable habit of falling down over the vicinity.
So of course they blame the US as apparently they gave the coordinates and approval to Ukraine to launch said weapon.
Gotta try and hide the stupidity of your own when there are apparently dozens of dead and injured because of your own fuck-up...
I'm still waiting for them to intercept their own aa missile
Wouldn't surprise me if they have done that more than once already...
A few of their own fighters intercepted their AA missiles…
Good, it's bad enough here, let's keep Russian propaganda from reaching alien worlds.
This is 100% let's keep Russia from being able to get a down and uplink signal with their military spy satellites over the Crimean/Southern Russia region so even better. The facility in the Cold War used to be civilian/science probe communication only.
When the Russians annexed Crimea they turned it into a purely military satellite facility.
.. and that one is revenge for the shelling of Odessa.
Great work by our heroes. ET phone home. Orkee, go home.
Oof. That doesn't look cheap
Is this actually being used for anything else but space-research?
I suspect they had been using it for real time intel to support rapid kill chain improvements or they had adapted the radar for tracking and guidance of interceptors. Could be related to the S-500 moving in recently.
The general public doesn't know but if it was targeted it most likely was being used to support Russians ongoing invasion
Russian military has significant space hardware. Spy satellites, for a start.
Ukraine ran that from the split from the URSS up until 2014, so they knew its capabilities well. I doubt they wasted 8 ATACMS on something that doesn't help them
Yea it can help with air defense
I'm just guessing, but this could have been a faster way to get satellite data downloaded. Now, Russia will have to wait until the satellite passes by another ground station, which is a delay of a few hours(?)
It seems to be the main satellite complex in the region, so they are probably having pretty significant issues with constant contact now with any satellite that is in GEO orbit over the region or LEO and gotta make those long orbits...
Funny how it was mostly a civilian installation in Soviet times, then Ukraine kept it running for themselves and Russia's behalf for science probes until Russia annexed Crimea. Then the Russian MOD takes it over and make it a military installation.
And then the age old question - What air defence doing?! as they don't seem to have much to protect such a valuable installation.
Deep space complexes are also used to track and communicate with satellites in geosynchronous orbit (GEO), while many other networks are smaller and limited to low earth orbit communications (LEO). If Russia, for example, has a satellite in GEO over Ukraine or near their western border, this station would have been used to transmit data to and from that satellite. If this Crimean complex is destroyed or damaged, Russia will have to use other space complexes to communicate with those satellites, meaning the data will be less readily available/will take longer to receive.
I'd love to know that too.
Does anyone know if NASAs antennas like the Deep Space Network are also used for military stuff, or are the missions completely and clearly separated?
DSN only supports civilian satellites... The US military has it's own extensive satellite upload/download relay station network globally. The Goldstone DSN Complex is located on Fort Irwin, CA's grounds but is civilian run and operated. Madrid and Canberra ones are on civilian grounds...
No ... Americans don't have spy satellites ... 🤣
My point was that US space satellites are managed by the NRO and other agencies like that.
I'd like to know if NASA's civilian equipment is used for NRO stuff, like up- and down-links, or if they are cleanly seperated.
I.e.: would NASA facilities be a legitimate military target?
I think the standard politically correct US government response would be 'no' ... But given the subject matter, I doubt you should expect a great deal of candor from NASA or other US government spokesmen.
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