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After struggling with my evga 3090ftw3 for the past 2 driver packages, I’ve gone to team red. Just swapped in my new sapphire 7900xt in my “all other stuff except simulators”pc.
I just download more when I need it
Always need more ram…..
Disgusting how little RAM you have.
It’s only 64gb…. There’s 128gb going in my Threadripper pc I’m building
Why 8x8 though? Was it for the look?
128gb and a threadripper is great for productivity. Absolutely smashes rendering.
It’s what I could afford at the time really…. Lol
It’s faster, even in dual channel.
Not sure which generation CPU this is but octo channel RAM is a thing. I have it on my 5xxx TR
Why do you need so much though? You do know that filling every available slot makes it run slower?
Small price to pay for rgb's
Now I'm wondering if there's pieces of plastic in the shape of ram that just has a few wires going up to some RGB lights so you can fill up the rest of your slots and not have to pay as much.
Corsair have exactly those, for that sweet full RAM RGB
Wtf it's just about 30% less, does RGB cost THAT much?
It's a way to get people to pay more do you really need full RAM RGB? (Inb4 you say yes, no.)
Fair enough
no, but if people spend that much why sell it for less? I see lots of looks > value builds.
RGB makes it go faster, everyone knows that.
Yet gpu on the cheaper side, downgrade rgb wise
I used to run keyshot on this pc when I was working from home. Keyshot is ram and cpu dependent
I have 128gb in a pc I’ve built that I use as a virtualization server. The ram is on one host machine yes but is distributed across several virtual machines that I use for various purposes (my personal use case of that level of ram)
My workstation also has 64gb. That is because I am a software developer and utilize larger spikes in ram during times of program execution or data analysis.
Bro thinks a person with a Threadripper build doesn't understand the basics of populating ram slots... Wasn't this PCMR or did I venture into a different sub? XD
Are you saying that everyone who can afford a threadripper build, i.e. every rich person, is now a PC expert?
No but I also don't assume they're a PC noob. It's an enterprise-grade piece of hardware, I do expect the vast majority of owners to be somewhat well versed in the utmost basics of such builds.
Oh lad, aren't you set up for disappointment with that line of thinking...
I'm 14 and my parents bought me my first gaming pc, 4090!!!!
How did this comment get so many upvotes?
Because upvote count is not peer review, it's just a bunch of bozos following a trend set by first few voters (also bozos).
hey, I'm a Bozo, not a bozo.
show some respect, jeebus.
Hey Bozo! Loved your quest line in Cyberpunk, but the grenade for a nose thing was a bit much.
I do "aim" to please
Ive looked through the comments here. Looks like most people here have no clue about hardware lol I've seen a bunch of misinformation about RAM and general cluelessness what hardware is needed to do serious work on a PC heh.
It is indeed the reddit hive-mind phenomenon. The content of a post or comment doesn't matter, whichever direction likes/dislikes gain traction first, that will simply exponentially increase no matter what.
Is that true though? It was my understanding it could be the opposite because you've given multiple pools, i.e. able to use bandwidth across each stick
Two sides, it is inherently faster because you have more busses, but say you only have a 8gb stick and something rolls over to the other dimm, it now needs to READ from two which is inherently slower, most times it’s better though.
What, no. It's called quad channel and makes it run faster
LOL no it doesn't make it run slower... Where did you get this?
AM5 knowledge being wrongly applied to TR. On AM5 it is true that four modules will run slower than two. But that's it, on AM5, not TR
Hown much slower.Also so it would to be better to use 2 16gb than 4 8gb correct
How did you even find an 8 RAM slots motherboard? I thought those were only for servers.
HEDT motherboard from x79, x99, x299, x399 and the new Threadripper stuff all have quad channel memory. Old school x58 had triple channel
Serious question, why did you go 8x8 on the ram? Does your motherboard allow for 4 channels? I haven’t thought about this before so I’m genuinely curious.
Yes it does
That’s pretty dope, may have to consider that for my next build. Thanks for the info.
I have a similar build to your original but with 2 3090's on blocks. I love my threadripper
Do you do graphic design or something like that? Just wondering why you need so much!
Technical illustration for the company I work at
That's alot of RAM
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Isn't there a massive drop off in performance gained once you get to a certain point?
Yes. Once you have enough ram to hold everything you gain no additional performance to adding more ram. Real ram timings are a thing as well. 3200 CL16 == 3600 CL18 in terms of real performance. The thing that people telling you that you can't use 64gb of ram for gaming miss is that there are more reasons why you could run out of ram than just a game using more than x amount. Most notably background processes. 64gb of ram gives you the freedom to just not care if something is running in the background eating some ram because you just won't run out.
Yes, upgrading to 64gb of RAM obviously does not make anything faster, but nothing ever gets slower. Still though it's not "worth" it unless A) you get such a good deal on the RAM the price difference is negligible (my case), or B) you have enough money that it doesn't matter. And RAM isn't expensive these days so it's not like you have to be rich, but I also get not dropping an extra $100 on a build for the easiest, cheapest part to upgrade later.
It can definitely make it slower if you sacrifice timings for capacity. Like especially above, getting the timings for 8 sticks is either insanely expensive, or more than likely you just will have more latency and slower RAM than if you had just 2 sticks.
When it comes to background processes, VRAM is a total killer. If I have Lightroom open at the same time as a demanding game, VRAM runs out, and performance plummets. Even web browsers eat away a good chunk.
Well maybe he's not gaming?
He said "if" my guy.
Right, so the answer to the question is that he's probably not using it for gaming. Unless OP is dumb lol.
Edit: OP is not dumb : "I used to run keyshot on this pc when I was working from home. Keyshot is ram and cpu dependent"
Isn't there a massive drop off in performance gained once you get to a certain point?
Two variables for RAM: speed and size. Speed determines the performance gain and size just determines what you are even able to load in. (Obviously I'm glossing over some nuances) So going from 32GB which is already more than sufficient for games to 64GB will give you no improvement whatsoever, but from 8 to 16 would give you a noticeable improvement in the experience. Also in your case, 3200 to 3600 is a minor bump in speeds and would also be not very noticeable. It's less of diminishing returns and more of a minimum spec.
You are forgetting channels, sort of a mobo thing, but definitely important to know. You could go from 8g to 16g and see almost no improvement if you are using a single stick or slot two into the wrong spots.
I literally said I was glossing over nuance. It was a simplified explanation Theres no need to confuse newbies
Some like to run Large Language Models on their machines which needs A LOT OR RAM. I've got 64gb + 16gb VRAM and is seems not enough.
The possibility of a performance drop depends on the CPU/Motherboard, it's not usually something you'll come across with consumer gear as far as I know.
I've worked with Xeon systems that have 8 memory channels on the board but the CPUs installed only support 6, though that actually means 6 at max speed. You can put RAM into all slots and it works but it slows everything down overall if you do.
Depending on what you're doing it can be preferable to have a higher capacity vs higher performance which is why they give you some extras.
You can sometimes get into issues with memory being allocated weirdly in systems with loads of DIMMs but I've only run into that into duel socket systems and those problems can often be solved with a bit of fiddling in the BIOS. If you run a process on CPU 1 and for whatever reason the OS allocates it memory that's connected to CPU 2 then any time the process wants to call something out of that memory it has to go via the socket interlinks, ask CPU 2 for whatever it needs and the pass it over to the cache on CPU 1. If what you're running has loads of memory IO then that can really slow things down but in modern systems it's become less and less of an issue.
The bottleneck used to be the bandwidth of the CPU interconnections but those have improved greatly in recent times.
If just gaming? 32GB is plenty. Some games will use a little more than 16 (and you’ll give the OS plenty to do it’s background tasks), so you get room to breathe. Anything more is a waste. If you’re also doing professional work however, that’s very different.
Basic rule with RAM: You can never have too much RAM if cost isn’t a factor for you. You just won’t use it all if you go overboard in the vast majority of cases.
I've seen hogwarts hit over 20GB, 32GB is the lowest amount I'd recommend at this point, 64GB if building new.
Star Citizen has entered the chat
Tarkov uses 31 gigs on streets
So he can have 2 tabs of chrome open at the same time
I might be wrong but I've read that your cpu may bottleneck your Ram. Cpu have limits of ram they can run. If you look on the manufacturer website of your cpu, you will see in the stat section what is the max capacity.
Still not enough to run chrome.
I mean they could just be like 8gb sticks
he just swapped from 3090 to 7900 because of 2 driver package. DA?
Very detotated
Down what? Lol
Probably one of those folks who thinks more expensive always means more better. He lost 4GB of VRAM I guess?
i mean raw performance is better at least
Happy cake day bro
thanks bro
Aren’t both 24GB?
No the 7900XT is 20GB I think
Ah ok, my bad, it’s not xtx
7900XT is a 20GB card
I assume OP is saying that the new card isn't EVGA.
I think OP is making a joke about its lack of rgb
For gaming, sure, since the metric here is "frames per second"
You think OP needs a thread ripper, 128gb of ram, and 20/24gb of vram to game? Can't tell if this is just disingenuous, or if you're completely ignoring the possibility that a machine that seems purpose built to be a studio workstation is just that
The 3090ti to 7900xt IS a downgrade if you're doing processes that usually require many of the specs he's running; ask anyone who uses Autodesk for a living. I don't care how much better AMD is for gaming according to Tom's Hardware, NVIDIA pretty much always takes the cake for intensive workloads when it comes to any real "work" like rendering, graphics design, editing, 3D modeling, etc...
Wife and I live in Maya and spend a lot of time 3D modeling...can confirm, Nvidia is king when it comes to anything to do with modeling, animating, or rendering.
To be fair to team red, it's all designed around Nvidia cards so of course they are the best.
I was gonna say that is not a downgrade but you beat me to it lol. OP is probably just an nvidia fanboy lol
That AIO water cable is fighting for it's life rn 😭
It looks tighter than it is…. The tubes are fine
Unless you’re joking because EVGA unfortunately doesn’t make GPUs anymore this is not a downgrade.
This…
Der Bauer
I’m fatter than he is but the resemblance is striking….
I guess droping another $1K is one way to fix a software issue :D (edit: 600 apparently, very nice)
I read your comments about performance and I don't know about that, but at least it looks better I feel, filling more of the case. And those 2 power cables are way cleaner than 3.
Agreed… it was only 600 too….
You lucky you
Thank you papi Bezos…..
I envy you, it's £700 here
What’s that in freedom units?
900 ish freedoms
Oof
I paid just 76 more for 7900 XTX, in Germany though
You didn't downgrade. The 3090 is a weaker card than the 7900 XT. It just has more VRAM.
I think op refers to lack of rgb..
OK. Didn't get that from the post.
In all the games I’ve tested on that machine I’m getting less average fps, but frame pacing is much more stable.
Weird. It's true that some titles are more nvidia optimized and dlss does a better job at frame generation. Maybe that's the reason. On raw power the 7900 XT is a stronger chip.
Raster is no longer the only metric of a card. It's just how it is, feature suites should absolutely be included in the discussion.
OP didn't have access to FG unless they used AMDs version. Even so, there's an argument that the VRAM and the DLDSR+DLSS combo makes the 3090 the better card.
~7% better raster is just not that important, not anymore.
Make sure you used DDU to uninstall Nvidia drivers and fresh install the AMD ones.
I always do
GPUs are not for games only and in certain cases this would actually be a downgrade tho
I have the same card and love it.
Colour matches your bequiet fans
Aside from the card being black and red and not black and orange…. Yes
What happened with the drivers?
Not sure. Had the same random crashing problems with the ftw3 3080 in my living room pc at the same time as the 3090 started acting up. A simple ddu fixed the 3080 issues… but I couldn’t get things working right with the 3090.
Have you tried undervolting? My EVGA 3080ti had a really aggressive voltage curve, especially taking into account it was not water cooled, it was thermal throttling stock. I knocked the voltage down to .825 at 1810mhz (which is still a generous OC) and it's been smooth sailing ever since.
Took some trial and error to get there, but it's stable and running at over 15C cooler than before while maintaining a nearly 200mhz overclock. I could get more out of it at .890V and 1950mhz, but it got loud and there was barely if any difference in the benchmarks I was running to test stability at the time.
I’m never went the under volt route. Might try it when I throw the 3090 in the Threadripper pc I’m building. Maybe it just didn’t want to play nice with x299 anymore.
How long have you had the vertical mount setup? If you did it recently I've heard certain PCIE risers can be temperamental with PCIE 4.0 gpus, but then again I think x299 is still PCIE 3.0 since it goes as far back as 2017ish...
I have the same issue with my 3090 FTW3 and it’s been driving me crazy. I thought it might have been my power cables wearing out cuz they’re at a pretty tight angle in my Meshlicious. I’m going to try to roll back a few drivers and see if the issue goes away.
"downgrade"
I wanted that exact 7900xt but they were out of stock :(
Yea it popped up on Amazon so I jumped on it.
R.I.P EVGA 😞
is that an arc gpu in the first picture ?
Yea… it’s a a770 I use on my test bench
Switching brands isn't necessarily a downgrade. You're up a generation with a card that has support where Nvidia lacks, such as for Linux and open source. And that's not comparing the specs side to side.
Now it doesn't have RGB so it's automatically 1000% worse, congratulations
This…. And it’s not evga…..
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the 3090 draw more power than the 7900xt? Or are they relatively the same?If the power consumption is more efficient with the amd gpu wouldn't it be a logical step to sacrifice the 4 gb of vram? It may not have higher fps overall, but I'm pretty sure it is more stable.
For strictly gaming purposes, yes. For more workstation intensive stuff, the 3090 blows the amd cards out of the water because of cuda. The primary rendering software we use at work “keyshot 11” relays on cuda for gpu rendering, and amd cards aren’t supported yet.
There's a lot of RAM 👀
Not for rendering
Do you really need this much cooling on this kind of setup? I'm running rather old specs, so can't really relate (GTX 1060 6g with a i3-12100F and 16gb ram), but I only have one fan running in my small case, never experienced any issues. Currently running on about 40°C with normal non-gaming load and I never seem to go above 70°C or so while gaming.
No…. But yes
Haha, yeah I mean I know this is PCMR, but purely hardware requirements, do you think you'd get away with like three less fans or something? Or would the difference in temps be noticable?
why use 8x8 ram?
Hey what's that bracket that hold the gpu I'd like one bc my 3090 may not fit or stand correctly in my pc
It’s the lian li vertical mount for the 011 evo
Sweet build
It's an upgrade lol
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Looks like Lian LI 011 for me
The aio cable : 😧
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Just FYI OP, you didn't really downgrade unless you're just talking about RT or Upscaling. In pure rasterization, the 7900 xt is about 13% faster than the 3090, relatively speaking. Just a heads up.
Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-xt.c3912
Depends on the use case. I use this machine For gpu rendering in keyshot and amd cards are not supported. So……downgrade.
Regardless, the new card is certainly more aesthetically pleasing.
Agreed
I also have the same 3090 gpu. What were you struggling with exactly?
Found the person that steals my free ram downloads
I picked up a rx 6600xt during the misery years simply because the price seemed fair, and I really came to love the pulse look and still do on my brother's PC. When I move on from the TUF rx 6800, I think another pulse or pure is next.
A 7900XT is a downgrade from a 3090?
Womp Womp I’m sure you can just throw some glow sticks in there
Ordered…
Long Live X299
but I too have upgraded to threadripper pro for sims, X299 for games lol
This is the way
Be sure to flip your radiator. Air bubbles can get trapped in the top that way, preventing you from pulling water into the pump.
BeQuiet Pure Loops have an in-line pump. If you look at the black rectangle in front of the fan, that's the pump block. As a result, they're a lot less picky about radiator placement.
They also have a fill port and come with a small bottle of coolant to top off the aio. I prefer them over the Asatek pump design.
Clean ass pc though
Much appreciated!
What is wrong with your EVGA card?
It's not like Nvidia dropped driver support for it...
Yup, a 7900xtx is a downgrade, even for a 4060
Be quiet!
I see you also have Intel Arc a750.
I love EVGA
Me too….
I also made the switch from Team Green to Team Red. After upgrading to a 5800X3D from a 3700X, I swapped out a 3070Ti for a 7900 GRE.
Imagine having so much money you “struggle” with a 3090 so you jump ship to another card that is $$$$
Bro, are radeon cards good? A friend of mine said that they are inferior to Nvidia cards as they are buggy and the ray tracing and dlss performance is far better than fsr. Is it so?
Ever since I swapped to the 7900xtx in my sim right I’ve never looked back. I’m sold on them, and for budget stuff i like arc cards. I’m done with new nvidia stuff.
I'm still at my planning stage for parts for my new PC. I had 7800xt in my mind but my friend is suggesting that I should go for rtx 4070 super. I'm now confused as I want to build an all amd pc but this card will not let me.
What resolution are you playing at?
1080p to 1440p. I jave a budget of 1600 USD.
7800xt would be sweet right in there. Nvidia makes a good product, I’m just tired of their shit
My current gaming laptop is Intel + nvidia. I want to build an AMD pc this time. I'm planning to go for ryzen 5 7600x and 7800xt with 64gb ram. My prime requirement is to use it for 5-7 years.
If you're only gaming you really don't need the 64gb of ram especially on that budget. Imo since you're going with AM5 put the 100 bucks you save by getting 32gb into a better mobo so you can just pop in a brand new cpu and ram in like 5 years when the 64gb might actually even be useful and more importantly DDR5 becomes cheaper.
The performance is the same, the image quality is a tiny bit better on dlss. The ray tracing is a bit slower, and some older (dx9) games performance can be a bit dodgy. Other than that, beasts
So, I can go with the radeon rx 7800xt without a second thought?
Pretty much yes. What games are you playing? Have a browse on youtube for benchmarks and see for yourself!
Mainly the latest games like horizon forbidden west, cyberpunk etc. Yes, I've watched the benchmark videos and the two cards are pretty similar. I like the amd one coz of its low cost.
The joke went over everyones heads lol. People don't realize EVGA is the goat
Meh
How is that a downgrade? The 20GB VRAM agent going to be a problem for the cards entire lifespan and the 7900XT is stronger in every other way.
Also, move cablemanagement.
All the games I’ve run so far have gotten 10% less fps on average roughly…. However, frame pacing is much more consistent with the 7900xt vs the 3090.
The ~10% fps decrease is very wierd. My best guess would be something, something driver Version/radeon Software settings something. But best prolly would be to get all the system data and to address your problem in a tech discord like the LTT one or whatever.
I did about the same thing this year and changed from a RTx 3070 to a RX 6700XT and saw a consistant 5 - 10% increase in performance. (Reason was I wanted to go Linux but bricked my system and went back windows lol)
You should turn the pipes of your aio down, as the pump is inline, not in block
Probably just need more ram brother