…and unsurprisingly, Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) is getting the Nakhichevan treatment. Armenian cultural monuments are being destroyed on a massive scale. What’s even more shocking is how our neighbors to the east still wonder why we don’t want to live under their government.
ARTSAKH GENOCIDEYou may or may not be decapitated or have your ears cut off.
Also you may or may not find your women raped and mutilated.
I will genuinely never understand why Azeri nationalists and Turanists in general have such a hard on for Enver Paşa. He is a notoriously incompetent clown who murdered countless innocent people and got countless many of his own men needlessly killed too. For him to be remembered as anything but a militarily incompetent war criminal and genocidal mass murderer boggles the mind. Even from a nationalist perspective he should be remembered as a traitorous idiot and a coward.
Ya no whoever says there is a chance for peace I say never. It’s either us or them at the end.
Better start working out ways to get rid of them, then. Armenians have been present in that region since time immemorial, and it'll be absolute humiliation to allow a people with massive identity crisis led by the ultimate trust fund baby to finish us off.
When Armenians stop labeling Armenians from elsewhere as “less” Armenian, we may stop fighting internally and focus on external problems
It's always been them or us. I didn't realize that until 2020.
They knew from the beginning. It is actually breathtaking how comprehensively the Azerbaijanis have been able to achieve their objectives, on every front, albeit by choosing an unwavering, unchanging, unchallenged ideology of a hereditary dictatorship, a huge supply of petrodollars, and Turkish assistance. They modernized and enlarged their military, psychologically conditioned their populace to accept and embrace any and all brutalities committed against Armenians and Armenian culture, developed a comprehensive, well-equipped and well-funded PR, propaganda and misinformation network, and have created the conditions to establish a rift between Armenia and the diaspora. They got into bed with UNESCO to ensure their obliteration of Armenian heritage would be ignored. They schmoozed at the UN to ensure that the so-called mission to Artsakh would render as inoffensive and exonerating a verdict as possible. Truly staggering.
And they continue to shift the goalposts, make new demands, constantly making Armenia play defensively and reactively.
If Syunik remains intact, if the Republic and diaspora do not continue to drift apart, if the Republic commits itself to consistent and obsessive improvement in every dimension, and if the world really does begin to wean itself off fossil fuels, then Armenia stands a chance at evening the score one day.
Lots of ifs, lots of doubt.
Exactly this. And all of this was of their doing. They’re the ones responsible for creating this zero-sum game.
Yeah, maybe next time think twice before occupying sovereign territory of neighboring country, maybe the end result won’t be humiliating defeat in less than 2 months
Fuck this sovereignty argument. This has never been about sovereignty. If it was, you would have stopped at what you got, but instead you continue to insist for more, including the total end of Armenia in the region.
This conflict has never been about sovereignty. It’s been about completely removing and erasing a people from areas within your control, and then pushing for the same in areas outside of your control. Nobody is surprised by the rhetoric coming from your country.
You should apply that standard to yourself. Azerbaijan is currently occupying Armenian territory. If you’re all for sovereignty, you should leave.
Nobody is under the illusion that this conflict was ever about territory. Territory was only one theater of your attempt to erase us completely.
Lmao, I won’t read the entire Bible-lenght shit you just wrote, pretty sure it’s full of Nazi hate. You may “fuck the sovereignty”, but all countries care is that. No other country ever recognized independence of Artsakh, not even France, Russia or Armenia itself. So, instead of focusing on nationalism that only leads to determine “who is purer Armenian” and divide your people, focus on peace. Cause while you live in US, making your bucks, Armenians in Armenia are living worse life than they could if trade was open with neighboring countries. Great to see you have a leader who realizes that, but what cost you had to pay to see this obvious reality
I honestly believe that the so-called "moderate" Azerbaijani users on here are just trained to say the things they say, either subliminally or expressly - ie "we care about territorial integrity", "Armenians are safe", "no more war", "war crimes are wrong", etc etc.
But behind closed doors they will have cheered the sight of Armenians fleeing their homes last September, Ghazanchetots having its spire cut off, these satellite images, Julfa and everything else in Nakhijevan getting razed to the ground, Anoush Apetyan's mutilation, the Lake Sev executions, and the neverending list of other barbarities. The Telegram groups sharing war crimes videos and rape fantasies is enough to make clear that Aliyev is merely a symptom of a deeply disturbing, chronic impairment of morality in Azeri society.
One question remains though - was it their experiences of the First War that made them this way, or is it something more deep rooted?
Thats why I dont discuss with them at all. The only solution to our problems is military
Even if they don't actively cheer for it, they still don't care when it happens. All that matters to them is "terRiToRiAl InteGrItY." Every Azeri who said that we could have had peace if only Armenians had accept Azerbaijan's rule is no less complicit in this than the ones who actively rooted for Armenians' expulsion and death, because they see their arbitrary borders as more important than Armenian lives.
All that matters to them is "terRiToRiAl InteGrItY."
Just an excuse obviously. Even from the perspective of the state from the idea of risking another war and decades enmity over a piece of poor rural mountainous region that Armenians live in? It will be hard to populate this area to begin with.
It benefits the state on keeping power, but aside from that... Without liberating the "territorial integrity" of Azerbaijan, it is very hard to violate the "territorial integrity" of Armenia. At the very least to try and pressure Armenia into "voluntary" concessions that are completely extraneous to the conflict itself.
arbitrary borders as more important than Armenian lives.
There is nothing to base their state sponsored ideology (culture) on aside from nationalism, expansion, which is needed to keep Aliyev in power.
I think it’s more deep rooted and was always suppressed during the Soviet times. I think it dates back to the earlier ethnic cleansing attempts of the 1900s.
Totally agree. They will say one thing in the public sphere, something like “We want to live I. Peace with Armenians” and behind closed doors the opposite “We need to kill all these Armenians.l
Never trust them…..ever!
Youre exaggerating
People are people wherever they come from
Even if you feel that an Azeri civilian dying is wrong or you don’t condone something falling apart. We will still live life without thinking twice about it.
Its no different when you hear someone committed suicide. Momentarily you are surprised and saddened but the next day its back to living life
The only heinous people are those who take joy in it
Most people are like this. We are human.
Most people are like this, you're right. However, most people didn't grow up being brainwashed daily to dehumanize an entire race of human beings.
Just look at the Azeris from Iran vs Azerbaijanis. And that's comparing one dictatorship to another. Imagine if we took examples involving democracies.
An entire identity based on revenge. This is what you get. A virus.
True again. Those who take joy in watching Armenians suffer are evil regardless if brainwashed or not.
My point is targeted at those who genuinely dont want to see it happen but beyond words wont do or care anything to do about it
Aren't Iranian Azeris far less nationalistic than Azeris in Azerbaijan, though?
Iranian Azeris are also not related to Azeris from Azerbaijan, as far as I remember from my last research.
It looks like you placed a bet (say 1 dollar) in a casino, then lost, and now try to claim back that dollar. This is not fair.
Nothing here surprises me. Did you really expect anything else from Azerbaijan? This is a wake up call to the Armenian Nation to get organized real quick, because they are aiming for Syunik and more Armenian Territories.
Exactly this. They have openly said that their next goal is all of Armenia. It’s time we take them seriously because they’ve done everything they said they would do over time. Unfortunately they’ve created a zero sum game where it’s either us or them, and I choose us.
Did you really expect anything else from Armenia? Look up what happened to Azeri historical buildings and worse, the people, after 1992-3 in Artsakh.
That's terrible, i saw a lot of Azerbaijanis mocking Armenia due to Artsakh war, such a insensibility of all Azerbaijan people, long live Armenia🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲
barbarians
How naive are you? They don’t want Armenians to live under their government. They want all Armenians dead.
Please don’t call me naive. I understand the situation very well. I’m calling out the Azeris for being naive in thinking Armenians would’ve, could’ve, or should’ve lived under their regime.
Whether they are evil or stupid, it makes no difference. Those Azeris probably just see this as a necessary price that Armenians needed to pay, even if they were blind and idiotic enough to think this wouldn't happen.
This is so awful.
They are going to build there shrines to child rapist now or some Aliyev monument.
At this juncture I don't see what belittling them achieves. Armenians massively underestimated them, and now they are succeeding in wiping out much of the evidence of Armenians' historic presence in the Caucasus.
It's a way for people to show their anger but it's a massive cope. You should never underestimate your enemy. It can make you blind and push to think illogically which is what happened to us (and had happened in the past).
If we don't get our shit together fast and continue heading in the right direction (working with the West), we are going to lose Yerevan next.
Yup, especially since they posted this in their sub today. They are being conditioned to accept this Western Azerbaijan garbage.
These dumbasses don't even know the history of their own country and culture. Yet they take bold land claims on their neighbors (Armenia and Iran). What's next? Saying Tbilisi is Azerbaidzan? Saying Astana is Azerbaidzan?
It's so fucking ridiculous.
They actually DO claim part of Georgia as "theirs", like Borchalu.
As a guy living in Turkey, I'm deeply sorry for what you have been going through. It is really disappointing that instead of reserving the culture of people, they are ruining them. And, using Enver Pasha's name who was a ruthless moron killed thousands of innocents during WW1.
I hope one day we, turkey, will all accept the atrocities committed against your people and take responsibilities concerning our past. My deepest love from Istanbul.
"Թուրքիայից ողջույններ և սիրով"
The situation in Azerbaijan, not talking Nagorno, is really really bad. So bad that, in my opinion, the vast majority of people are forced to live in denial because the reality is too harsh. Misery loves company, though, so they create hell for others with a smile on their face, just like the Joker.
No different than ISIS.
Fucking barbarians
I sincerely hope that we have digital renditions, building plans and anything else that would help restore and rebuild everything these bastards destroy and vandalize in the future.
Hopefully there’ll come a time where at least a handful of these can be rebuilt, without threat of being destroyed again. Same with Nakhijevan and western Armenia.
If they claim they are a secular state then that means pigs fly lol.
Honestly I would just put the world on alert and go to war at the cost of everything… everyone is a target.. nothing is safe
I don’t have my pictures to reference but is this church the one that was used to store/hide artillery during the 1991 war? (Apologies if I’m off on some details, it’s been some time since my visit) I cannot believe all the destruction of historic buildings.. wow. https://monumentwatch.org/en/monument/hovhannes-mkrtich-church-of-shushi-or-kanach-zham-green-church/
No, it’s not.
“You can come live peacefully in Karabakh, just accept that all your toponyms will be erased and replaced with references to Enver Pasha, your historical heritage will be destroyed or labeled as Albanian, and you will be constantly discriminated by a state which has deep rooted institutionalized racism against you”