We've seen the meme about the Romans and how often people, especially men, think about them. How about Caesar in particular?
Is your wife Cleopatra VII?
Not sure. I try to spend as much time on fishing trips as possible
If you share the same parents you might be married to Cleopatra, usually a good indicator
More like he is Nicomedes.
POV: Mark Anthony
I cum to bury caesar not praise him!
If the rumours of Caesar being the Queen of Bithynia were true, the man could throw it back like a champ so I don't blame you.
Tbh, I think that Caesar was the King of Bithynia and Nicomedes his Queen
The joke was that Caesar was the queen, that's what the sources say like when Caesar's soldiers mentioned this during his triumph. Something among the lines of "Caesar fucked the Gauls, Nicomedes fucked Caesar. We triumph for Caesar who conquered the Gauls, but no triump for Nicomedes who conquered Caesar"
Caesar was offended by this rumours because in Rome, being a submissive partner to another male was seen as shameful. Caesar probably would have encouraged the rumours if he was believed to have fucked Nicomedes, rather than the other way around.
Yeah I‘m aware of the sources. But wasn‘t it like anti-Caesarian propaganda? And wouldn‘t the Pontifex Maximus Caesar try to dismiss the notion of him having any peculiar relation with a foreign king? Fucking Cleopatra was probably more marketable…I‘m also not really knowledgable about the social acceptance of intercultural and/or homoerotic relationships in Ancient Rome
It's almost certainly not true and even at the time regarded as baseless political slander. (the accusation is both that he is sexually womanish and submissive to a foreign despot at Rome's expense at the same time, quite convinient for his political enemies)
Aside from Caesar being a livelong womanizer, the idea that Caesar obsessed with glory or and dignitas, would be the bottom in a relationship with foreign king is very much out character. :
Edit: For reference the same year this is supposed to have happened 18 year Caesar told Sulla the ruler of Rome, that no he wouldn't divorce his wife, the daughter of the former leader for the Marian faction, while Sulla was killing of tens of thousands of Marian sympatisers, many Caesar would have known personally.
But wasn‘t it like anti-Caesarian propaganda?
I mean we'll never know for certain whether they porked. Was there any truth to it? Who knows. It's just a fun little tidbit of drama
If I'm not mistaken, Antony also accused Octavian of the same thing. It was just political mudslinging.
And wouldn‘t the Pontifex Maximus Caesar try to dismiss the notion of him having any peculiar relation with a foreign king?
He did, he denied it over and over. But when people want to believe something, the angrier you get at an accusation just seems like proof to them
I‘m also not really knowledgable about the social acceptance of intercultural and/or homoerotic relationships in Ancient Rome
As far as I know, Romans viewed sexuality in the spectrum of dominance vs submissiveness rather than homosexuality vs heterosexuality. It was fine for a Roman man to top another man, but it wasn't okay for a Roman man to be topped by a woman (i.e. cunnilingus). The penetrated partner had to be a lower social status as well (i.e. A Roman Emperor and a servant)
I think that's how the culture was viewed during the late Republican/early Imperial period. Obviously it changed over time, but IIRC that was the issue with Nicomedes/Caesar and later Octavian as well; it wasn't that they were fucking other men, it was that they were being fucked by other men. A lot of Roman emperors had male lovers, like Hadrian.
Thanks for the input! I‘m more of a political and Military history guy but this insight really helps understanding the sources of the time.
Can confirm, I do the same whenever I make love to your wife
This is the most correct answer
Whenever I eat lettuce. Say what you want about the guy but he knew a salad
At least one to two times a week. I’m a Caesar stan
It makes me happy to think that he died surrounded by his friends
The best death tbh. Pompey‘s death was fucked up
Couple of times a week probably.
At least once a day.
Should be fairly obvious.
He was good to the bloody end.
Several times a week.
Caesar is my ancient history crush.
Me, too. YouTube at bedtime keeps recommending stuff about all of the other dudes and the entire empire itself, but all I really want to watch are things about Caesar I haven't learned yet.
Most fascinating single person in all of human history to me.
This sub is so stupid sometimes lol
Should we rename this page romaboo and then have another one for Roman studies?
Only in July
Not March?
Only March ides, not full month, like July
all the time because i am julius caesar
bruh... its more often than I thought. When I am waiting in line at little caesar's I always want to look at the guy next to me and say "et tu Brute"
I‘m writing my master thesis about him so… yeah
What is about exactly?
It‘s titled: Der Anfang vom Ende - Die Amicitia zwischen Pompeius und Caesar Englisch: The Beginning of the End - The Amicitia between Pompey and Caesar. The main reason for connecting the amicitia of the two with the Crisis/Downfall of the the Roman Republic is an Account of Plutarch who said that it was rather their friendship and not their rivalry that ended the Republic. I think appian or dio see it similar. Historians like Gelzer and Meier also briefly touched upon this topic…
That's a really interesting perspective. Do you think the friendship turned sour or rather, required roles of #1 and #2 and they considered the other the only individual worthy of consideration?
Caesar didn’t do anything wrong besides getting too big to stay in Pompey’s shadow. If you take a look at Pompey’s amici in his later career he’s only surrounded by political lightweights like Cicero, Gabinius or Milo. This changes after he broke his connection with Caesar to be the senate‘s champion. In 59 Caesar was his weapon against the senate. In 49 Pompey was the senate‘s weapon against Caesar whose reward was the position of first among equals. In his Civil War Caesar claims that Pompey was manipulated by the senate whose enmity towards him based on his former collaboration with Pompey (so even he argues that their amicitia was the starting point in this conflict). Caesar is of course trying to hide his own ambitions here.
I think that there are a lot of factors at play when discussing their relationship dynamics with regard to its destructive potential: 1. There is no evidence that they had a real emotional Connection. They were however bound by amicitia (through mutual obligations) and adfinitas (through Iulia). 2. For Pompey who in 63/62 BC was at the height of his power and influence (he could march on rome or bribe his amici into office at will, though this aspect is sometimes doubted) young (popular) politicians were a means for his personal conflict with the senate. Only because of the senate‘s anti-Pompey agenda from 63-52 did Pompey decide to collaborate with individuals like Caesar or Clodius. 3. While using Caesar Pompey became even more influential but also even more hated by the Senate (who at this point still outweighed Pompey as an individual). The hate between Pompey and the senate was the lubricant for Caesar‘s machinations. The senate hated him no matter what. They knew that this old patrician was politcally speaking closer to a tribunis plebis than to a future consul and proconsul with huge imperium. So in this whole conflict between the senate and Pompey the winner was Caesar. He, who ruled basically without effective resistance in 59 and managed to get access to provinces which should close the gap between him and his former unequal amicus Pompey. In 55 Pompey even elongated Caesar‘s pronconsulship to nine years (the longest proconsulship ever I think). Then things unfold as we know. 4. Pompey was not passive all this time. From 63 to 52 he managed to reverse his role from the most glorious and powerful man on Earth but an outsider in Rome to the primus Inter pares. He needed someone the senate could fear and ask him for his help against. Crassus‘ and Iulia‘s death played a role but in the end I think that the Most important factor was the hunger for power of These two and their complicity which disguised itself as Amicitia all the time.
I‘m still in the process of writing my thesis but this is the basic outline.
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Are you going to post it anywhere online after its done? I would be interested to read the final product.
I can send it to you via email:)
Couple or three times a week.
Every damned day.
I have Alea Iacta Est on my chest so every morning and night at a minimum
Quite a lot as I'm reading Rubicon and First Man of Rome.
As you age Marcus Aurelius takes up his place in your thoughts
Whenever the Months of July and August come through. I am reminded how JC renamed the calender we still use. And then Augustus, not to be out done added his name or title to it.
Probably three times a week if not more.
All the time, as I'm reading Plutarch and his Commentaries.
Fairly often, maybe once a week or once a month when I’m not on some sort of history period show or historical deep dive into a relevant era.
My reasons for when it’s not because of proximity of topic are simply because I often think about maps and history and what if questions of cultural development and futures based on potential changes in expansion of certain cultures. He tends to be an inspiration there since he was living proof that with the right person, you could topple countries and take down unmovable walls.
His innovation in tactics is also an inspiration I am often reminded of when I attempt to take alternative approaches to problems. I like to remember that I don’t need to just push forward and power through the expected approach, but rather sometimes a different approach or concept could change everything and give the best way forward with a master plan.
It is not really out of admiration and obsession that leads me to think of him, but rather inspiration from the lessons you can learn from his ways.
My cat is named Caesar. So daily.
Ever since I got hooked on the HBO series Rome... quite often.
Not often at all
like.... every few months
I’ve got ALEA IACTA EST tattooed on my forearm, so occasionally.
Well I am am woman, but anyway I think just visiting these subs causes you to think of nearly every time you visit since he is talked so much.
Very often
I have to think about the Romans and Greeks everyday for work. So probably every other day for ol’ Julius.
I suppose he's my Roman Empire
Every time I walk by an Orange Julius
Everyday
Everyday, so much in todays society that would have him raging lmao
Maybe once a week or 2. Usually when I think about the Romans I just think about the empire and is legacy, also alot about the byzantines
Once, a year on the ides.
Almost every day, I have “VENI, VIDI, VICI” on my signature…
In daily life? Not at all.
Every time Carthage tries to invade through the Alps
Probably once a month, realistically.
every day, this is not even for the sake of memes or anything, i just really like Caesar
Every day
Not much but I do remember reading,A left Handed History of the world, it says that when he was 30, he read about Alexander the Great and all his accomplishments, he began to weep because he couldn’t believe that Alexander had done so much and him being 30 had done so little. Later he would be Emperor of Rome.
Every minute of every day
A lot more than I should
At least once every 2 days I would say
Every March 15th
Sometimes when I'm on the toilet bowl.
Not very often
Every day, got his quote in my room: "VENI, VIDI, VICI"
At least once a year. Always do my taxes on the March of Edes March 15
Not as often as most people that are interested in roman history, maybe once a fortnight. I have been told that that is more than average for people in general though
Pretty often. With the way current events are unfolding across the globe, I find myself often pondering the notion that in a time of political and social turbulence, even the small decisions of a single person have the potential to ripple through time for millennia.
Julius Caesar, William the Conquerer, Alexander the Great, George Washington all come to mind when I'm thinking about this.
I know the "Great Persons" way of looking at history is a bit outdated, but I do believe some people end up in positions where their impact in particular can have a massive effect.
What a dumb question
Maybe, but one of which Caesar would approve.
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Every time I close my eyes and make love to my wife