How AI secretly manipulates people on social media
technologyI thought a lot of people know. For example If you are not a native english speaker the comments in your language are at the top. People have individualized comment sections.
I'm guessing this depends on the configured language then; I've never encountered this before, even though English is not my native language
When I see posts in Spanish I have to search a lot to find any comments in English
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i never thought about it but what is best?? like what reddit thinks you'd like bc i assumed it was most upvoted but i guess that's what top is
I think top is what has the most upvotes overall, and best is what has the better top to down vote ratio.
Keep us all in an echo chamber. Part of healthy political and social engagement is being exposed to different peoples experiences and being able to empathize with them to gain a dynamic view of the world. I don’t think Reddit is doing this though because comments are sorted by your own selection
I agree that most social media platforms that use some sort of algorithm or "AI" to feed you tend to keep you in an echo chamber. You only get recommended what you like, and you like it because you watch your recommendations. At least, that's how it works for a lot of people.
I have been off instagram and Facebook for a long time but I remember how it goes on there. Reddit it nice cause when u check the comments it’s unpredictable though there’s usually an over arching tone. People who disagree just don’t engage much when it’s like that but at least you get to see more than just hoopla if your interested enough to look hard
Ai just casually building relatable echo chambers to re-enforce dangerous opinions and world views. Get off it, I put it down 6 months ago and the only thing I miss is the brain rot memes on my reels which I can’t imagine were very academic for our brains
to re-enforce dangerous opinions and world views
Dangerous = anyone you do not agree with.
Dangerous opinions and world views could be anything that instigates hate for a particular groups, fuelling theories that are not built from any solid evidence and only hearsay. We go onto a comment section and see only those which reinforce our views, we never learn true right from wrong because we never see objection or evidence. We get pushed information now, we don’t pull it ourselves to learn about it. And all it takes is for one user to fall too far in one direction to commit a hate crime or an act of terror.
I shouldn’t get what your username is referencing but I do lmao
That is just your way of explaining that you can't deal with other peoples world views.
It is not the devision that matters. You just make sure you don't hurt people because of it.
Silencing people does not make hatred and division go away. If you want to build bridges, you must learn to listen to what others have to say.
The girl in the example is not interested in her boyfriend and only thinks about herself.
Instead of calling her boyfriend to ask him where he is, she parades her judgment on the internet for everyone to see and acts pedantic like a victimized demanding and selfish infant.
Why would I applaud that behavior as a partner? Maybe her boyfriend got sick of this behavior. She doesn't really smacks like a teamplayer to me and it looks like a giant red flag. Maybe she could show a little more respect, engage in conversation and ask him if he's okay, what is up, do something else, prep a meal, what ever, etc.
If you think division is a problem, that says more about you than about that division.
You should deal with it accordingly and silencing is not the solution.
You say “if you want to build bridges you must learn to listen to what others say” but this is the complete opposite of such a perspective, how can a user listen to what others say If there is nobody to listen to but likeminded individuals.
There’s no silencing here it’s actually the opposite, to silence others is what this algorithms does, the female only sees comments that are biased to her sex and views just as the male only sees comments biased of his. That’s silencing, there is no expression in either comment section because it fits both of their agenda, that means no objection, no debate or discussion, and therefore no bridge in the first place.
Have a look back at your comment, what I have stated, and then think about what builds that bridge, a likeminded construction team can’t build that bridge to the best of its ability without input from land surveyors, architects, and others, without that input, bridges collapse.
The female only sees comments that are biased to her sex and views just as the male only sees comments biased of his.
Yeah that is why both parties have to talk to each other to solve problems rather than to revolt to their echo chamber.
However, these echo chambers are also inside bars, clubs, churches, nail saloons, kindergarten, tea parties, posses, at the gym, in the gaybar, yoga, in a sekt, your family and friends, the pipe-smoking-guild, your co-workers and classmates, etc.
Do you think they re-enforce dangerous opinions and world views?
Do you think it is silencing if you do not actively engage in these sub-cultures?
It is exactly the same in this situation. Girl gets personal feed based on her interest in a same manner she flocks to her group of besties with a bottle of wine and a bucket of icecream, only to re-enforce dangerous opinions and world views.
Same for the guy when he is dealing with a lot of shit in life, so he goes to the bar with his drinking buddies to re-enforce dangerous opinions and world views.
The internet is nothing more than an apendix of the mind. The difference with the real world is that everything is out in the open for everyone to see and a lot of that does not suit your view of life and that is perfectly fine.
Physical echo chambers are different, physical groups express themselves through means of protests, look at the kkk, they still have rallies and protests and physically get involved in supporting their backwards ass view, they do so in person and are often and rightfully verbally and physically abused for this, call that a form of extreme objection, it also shows youth and those less able to think for themselves what really is right from wrong, when they see these things happen in public
Apply that to a particular user on Instagram, they don’t have the physical confrontation they are exempt, they can say anything behind a screen and believe anything from likeminded individuals, there is no opposition, no repercussions. Anybody that opposes won’t have their voice heard, the algorithms bury that so you don’t have to see it, so you don’t have to reflect on what you said or what you did.
As for the youth and non free thinkers, It is easy to be caught in echo chambers online when you start to interact with comments and posts, suddenly you find yourself in a section of hate towards homosexuality, or islam, or just females in general. Suddenly you no longer see anything that should make you think otherwise, among the young that mindset is what they grow up with what sticks
No. What happens is the complete opposite
Reinforcing ONLY opinions that you agree with constantly feeding your ego and closing your mind
You mean the same stuff that happens when you and your drinking buddies go out to the bar to rant about your failed love life? Or the girls flocking together to bitch about their asshole boyfriend with a bucket of icecream and a bottle of wine to re-enforce dangerous opinions and world views? Or when you go to church to preach Christianity to re-enforce dangerous opinions and world views? Or when you go with your buddies to the gym to re-enforce dangerous opinions and world views? Or when you go to the nail saloon to re-enforce dangerous opinions and world views?
These so called 'echo chambers' are as old as humanity. The internet only placed it in the public domain for everyone to see and now the whole world is butthurt because they can't live with the idea that there are other people on the planet with different world views.
Yeah. That last part is the problem
When you go to the bar/gym and whatnot someone may hop in the conversation and disagree. And that's healthy
Hell, just go to your local gym and ask how you do shoulder presses and see people hopping in with a bunch of different opinions
Sure there are times and places where you gonna be with only people that agree with you like close friends (which can totally disagree with you sometime) church etc. but you still are constantly exposed to a lot of different opinions and that's when you hop online to find comfort in the huge eco-chambers
AI, politicians, adverts, ridiculous influencers. It's all manipulation
suddenly living life like a Vulcan seems pretty plausible now.
If I do not experience something personally I take everything with a massive pinch of salt these days.
Seems all media has an agenda and skews everything to suit that agenda. Ho Hum... The truth is out there somewhere.
I’m not saying we need a Butlerian Jihad, but we don’t not need it
Isn't this just an algorithm, rather than AI?
That's what I thought
AI is just a complcated alogorithm.
I agree that's true, but they are two distinct things.
Yes, you correlate users by the individual comments that they "like" / up-vote / bookmark / etc., then sort by the strength/weight. Same general idea behind Netflix's recommendation engine, Spotify's playlist algorithm, etc. Not AI, not ML, just a graph DB.
Algorithm for displaying top comments? I understand when it concerns videos but sorting comments that way is just weird and downright creepy if not even displayed. That is unless the comments boyfriend saw were just two scrolls down
I think they are using word AI very generously here. There is definitely some ML behind the scene which calculates the score of comments for respective user and then show those comments based on the score. And that ML is basically AI. Buy it's not that AI writing those comments
We need to bring back the time of private forums and chats, not corporate brainwashing
Anyone else here wondering why they are still reading the comment section right now?
Countries have bot farms for a reason. Comments serve as confirmation for the viewer of the main post of the thoughts of the author of the post or the thoughts of the cleaner. If, say, a post expresses a clearly false opinion, then he looks at the comment to see confirmation of this, to see a flurry of comments that say that your opinion is correct. Or if a person has not formed his opinion about something, then comments, for example, can direct him in the right direction, which is why such Chinese algorithms are dangerous
It’s ruined our society and it’s like nobody gives a shit about
Imagine what are they doing on politics lately if they even manipulate stuff on social media...
hmmmm… my whole existence has been a lie
If your whole existence was on the Internet, then yeah...🤡
relax mr fulfilling life
Just more evidence that social media is cancer.
Wait are we on social media right now?
The whole social media experience is engineered to suit your profile as it very much encourage platform stickiness. It practically encourage the behaviour of making your own echo chamber.
And facebook or google has a lot of data about you.
reasons why we need to think for ourselves
Also if you're gaining any perspective off a tiktok post that incredibly impacts your life, decision making, or feelings as a person, then you are no longer using social media for entertainment and instead are using it to education yourself.... Which is really dumb.
Me no like using it to education myself
Where is this person from? The accent is beautiful.
Is it my turn to post this tomorrow?
at least you're not entombed in a buddha statue
Have you ever tried opening the same comment section on your own phone twice? It will also show different comments.
Can we stop using the term AI for everything? That's just your algorithm, has nothing to do with AI.
Facebook did this way back in 2016 ish, I noticed it when my dad wanted me to load up a video on my phone. Everything was different than his, even the comments.
Nothing too weird here. It’s called personalized ranking. The reason they do this is likely because the metric that they use to evaluate if changes to the app are successful is something like “time on app”. Ranking comments that you are more likely to read for longer will likely keep you on the app for longer - so they went with it. This is typically not done to be nefarious - you have a bunch of money hungry and clout hungry software engineers on the other end of this app just trying to get promoted.
I don’t think tech overlords doing anything they can to rob your attention/keep you on their given platform and creating extremely dangerous political and social echo chambers are mutually exclusive. In my opinion the truly nefarious thing is realizing that they understand all of the dangerous side effects and just continue to do it anyway to make as much money as possible
I am starting to fucking hate AI.
Isn’t that just cookies? No one questions stuff anymore. We all take our spoon feeding like champs. I’m not a big conspiracy nut or any of that because it’s too obvious. I think social media is a dangerous bastard of a thing.
My comments purposefully piss me off
Stay off those apps
Oh, I don’t like this. But good to know
His profile is scored differently than hers, with those scores they can project it towards any aspect of the app, in this case ‘relevant’ comments. More to do with data science than AI imo
Do someone knows the TikTok account of the girl presenting this video?
Someone should manipulate it to make people see the opposite of what they would agree with, so that people can rely to misogyny and racism, report it and convert people away from those ideologies. Or make it so everyone learns how diverse opinions are. Would expose the harsh reality of how the algorithm is dividing us
LOL - AI stands for “Anything Idontunderstand”
This is damn informative
But isn't that what it means when you sort by "most relevant"(to you)?
I knew it! I've never tested it but I had a feeling
Or we could simply form our own opinions on the video and not seek out the comments to form it for us, just thoughts.
oh that's not good. people deserve to see comments contrary to their own thoughts along with one's that they agree with. not this echo chamber business, that's how one gets radicalized. be open minded and consider what other perspectives are. let's keep working towards being a little kinder to one another
Hold up. In the comments first to see what this about.
The old adage online of “don’t ever read the comments” definitely holds true here.
This isn't AI, nor is it new. It's just standard social engineering.
So i dont have to see the comments that infuriate me. It sounds like a win.
Just a basic misunderstanding of recommendation algorithms. Posts are recommended and so are comments.
That's... her entire point?
I was aiming it at op. Recommendations aren't trying to manipulate you, they're just some programs best guess at what will make you interact the most. It isn't some terrifying as fuck concept.
Did a tech CEO making millions off of the deeper and deeper divisions being created in society write this comment
It absolutely is. This stuff is affecting the fabric of society, doing anything possible to get us all bickering amongst ourselves. This will have massive flow on effects.
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Huh. Never heard of this before. I understand that your suggested posts and feed is made for you specifically, but even the comment section? Kinda creepy.