strongest yonko duo VS not strongest yonko duo, who wins?
DiscussionSick Beard is high diffed by holding back Kaido. Kaido cries because he wanted to fight the man he looked up to as a boy....
Shanks defeats Big Mom eventually, but still she's tanky af and does get some damage on him
Shanks tells Kaido (provly a day later when he defeats Big Mom) it's ok let's stop this fight and pay respects to the death of a great man
They do the sake cup thing
This is clearly the correct, everyone-in-character answer β
big mom is going to be tapped by shanks 3 hits max.
Shanks is gonna "tap" Big Mom!??? But she like 65
No π
Kaido takes on Shanks. Whitebeards health will quickly deterioirate off the meds and he will lose to BM.
BM then helps Kaido out.
You think BM can beat Old WB? Old WB started with sword pierced. BM couldn't even put down Kidd. WB is smacking her to death before Shanks and Kaidou settle their match
Kidd is more durable than the guy taking damage from literal fodder marines.
BM cleanly beats old WB.
Kidd isn't durable enough to take proper named attacks from high tier Emperor like Shanks and Kaidou.
BM clearly loses against Old WB. She would get broken by Quake attacks.
Kidd is more durable than Whitebeard at Marineford.
Old WB clearly loses against BM. He would get chunks blown of his body by BMs attacks.
"More durable than whitebeard at Marineford" they say there are no wrong answer, but here I present the one true wrong answer. Rewatch Marineford WB durability is different mans is a legend.
His endurance was. His durability was garbage.
"Whitebeard sustained 267 sword wounds,Β 152 gunshot wounds, and 46 wounds from cannonballs, all of these wounds along with two holes in chest and his head half blown"
There is a reason why sengoku summoned 3 admirals , every navy available , giants , pasafista , worlord and even garp .
sengoku knows that WHITEBEARD BUILT DIFFRENT
Thats endurance.
Yea you need to google Durability-the ability toΒ withstandΒ wear, pressure, or damage. So I am right use google please
Youβre wrong lil bro
How
I though those were injuries sustained throughout his life
No it was though out that battle alone
By the time WB "loses", Shanks would probably be done with Kaido as well
Kaido is stronger than Shanks, so nope. Another attempt at baseless downplay, I see.
Nothing says that at all
Nothing says Shanks is stronger, yes.
No nothing says kaido is stronger, he had his arc already and we already seen his peak.
Shanks base level is one shotting kid who defeated big mom. Can only go up from here, kaido being weaker/losing to everyone else in his top 5 including luffy should tell u everything u need to know.
Yeah and that peak is above anything Shanks has ever shown.
Kidd and Law and bombs defeated Big Mom. Kaido is not weaker than Shanks.
There are numerous characters who donβt have the feats that kaido has but are all acknowledged to be stronger. One shotting kid > one shotting act 1 luffy.
All are stronger than Shanks too. 3-4 isnt really numerous.
Kaido did that in base with a low-tier attack. He could replicate the Kidd one-shot. AP also isnt the only stat that matters.
He and big mom fought kid for a whole arc and couldnβt do that, he tanked multiple attacks from both of them.
Regardless, that means u agree u can be > someone with better feats
Based off nothing but in verse say so
Shanks is stronger based off nothing at all so I would say Kaido still takes this.
Iβd argue portrayal says otherwise. Has the best portrayal in the verse
His portrayal is not particularly better than Kaidos.
Idk how you can say that tbh.
He also has the best CoC Feat in sonning an admiral, one shotting a 3Bil.
Heβs also greatly kore important to the overall story and letβs be real, this is a Shonen at the end of the day, the longer the story goes on the stronger the saved characters are.
Theyre relative ofc, but if kaido needs to dodge a pre aCoC zoro attack then shanks attacks are gonna do significant damage
Kaido has the best feats of physical dominance with amazing haki. He has the best feats in the entire series overall (he also has the most so this might not be that important though)
The admirals are also being left for later. Doesnt mean they will surpass Kaido.
Shanks is far less durable so by that same logic he will take massive damage from every hit by Kaido.
The difference is the admirals are clearly being left for later for people other than luffy. Shanks is a luffy level character. The only straw hat other than luffy that can be stronger than shanks EoS is zoro.
Shanks has future sight and was shown to be insanely fast with how he blitzed Mid from basically the shore. Idk if I could say with any real confidence that kaido lands any hits before shanks lands enough to finish him
Portrayal?
Shanks doesnβt even have single title π
The world strongest swordsman is Mihawk, not him
Titles have nothing to do with on screen portrayal, you slow af
Shanks one shotting Kidd clearly portrays him as stronger than anyone in Wano
Nope
Shanks > Kaido due to portrayal and both having top tier feats
Shanks doesnt have better portrayal, Kaido has better feats.
Shanks is portrayed as the modern-day Roger and Luffy's inspiration. Kaido had good portrayal, but he was ultimately just a Joyboy victim. Also, Shanks one shotted a YC1 and Haki diffed an Admiral. Both Kaido and Shanks have top tier feats
Luffy is the modern day Roger.
No, a mid Yonko level with 5 minute stamina isn't the modern day Roger
You ain't got reasonable scaling for that either, marineford incident puts Shanks ahead of kaido even if you claim it isn't a combat feat
It doesnt actually
What it meant was only that Shanks was strong enough to deter Kaido from going into an all out war with him. It implies they are on the same level but not really that Shanks is stronger in my opinion
And there isnβt any reasonable scaling for Shanks being above him either. Marineford incident was Red Hair Pirates vs Kaido and King π
And the fact that shanks whole crew is considered top tiers would bring shanks's "supposed" power using this example basically useless,wouldn't it?
I seriously doubt shanks entire crew is made up of top tiers. The only thing we know is that they are the most balanced one. His officers might be commander level, but they aren't top tiers(Gorosei/Admirals/Yonko).
If his crew was states to be comparable to him,they absolutely ought to be top tiers...unless shanks isn't as strong as we believe?
His crew wasn't called comparable to him though... Beckman was called comparable in a databook, which are largely considered not canon. The only canon info we have is that his crew is the most balanced out of all the Yonko crews, which quite possibly doesn't even include him.
The difference between Kaido/Bigmom and Old WB is bigger than the difference between Shanks and Kaido/BM.
So Kaido stalls shanks.
BM beats Old WB.
WB is too old, with too many health issues, stamina issues he won't be stalling anyone.
Kaido & Big Mom win. Shanks & Whitebeard too fragile at this point.
At what point exactly, both are yonko
Of it was primebeard than no questions, but sickbeard who couldn't do shit in marineford? Hell no
He got part of his face blown off and still beat the shit out of lava guy. I'd day he could still hold his own
Shanks can't carry this hard. I barely have old wb at yonko level. He isn't helping too much, he'd lose to bm
Yeah Whitebeard at this point was probably like Oden level (Maybe just SLIGHTLY higher)
Kaido takes Shanks.
Big Mom defeats Whitebeard because of his health.
Big Mom stalls who is she fighting with, Kaido helps her after he is done with who is he fighting. Shanks aint carrying hakilessbeard
hakiless whitebeard?
WB cant carry that hard
WB is strongest in terms of pure power but Sickbeard had zero haki whatsoever, he will go down in a few hits since fodder was able to damage him
Shanks is the weakest of the Old gen, this feels like a spite match, the strongest and his rival vs an old sick man and a cripple
Everyone hating on Old man White Beard but forget there is a reason why sengoku summoned 3 admirals , every navy available , giants , pasafista , worlord and even garp .
sengoku knows that WHITEBEARD BUILT DIFFRENT!
Shanks high to extreme diffs big mom
Oldbeard stalls kaido, and then kaido and oldbeard jump
Sounds likely
Oldbeard couldn't last more than a minute against Akainu, how's he stalling Kaido
That's sickbeard, healthy oldbeard can use ACoC and can split the sky with shanks
He was able to use ACoC and clash with shanks
Healthy oldbeard is the strongest man in the world
Still clashed equally with shanks and was called the strongest man in the world
He was the strongest man in the world in his prime, old and sickbeard isn't, he just kept the title
Nope he's still the strongest
His sickness held him back in the war.
You can't say he is the strongest and in the next sentence talk about his sickness, if he is sick he ain't the strongest
The strongest man in the world that barely took out 1 admiral (that came back 2 chapters later) while the rest of the admirals and warlords were in mint condition
You don't need conquerors to clash with Shanks, and oldbeard isn't even close to the strongest man in the the world. He's barely in the top 10
He literally has the title, you are confusing sickbeard and oldbeard
You don't need conquerors to clash with Shanks
You need to be on his level to clash equally and they split the sky which is basically ACoC clash
Whitebeard had his title when Roger died. Then he was the strongest man in the world but not when he clashed with Shanks
Nope whitebeard introductory panel in Jaya has the title
Whitebeard had his title when Roger died.
Gimme the source for that.
Do you really think he was given the title at 70 years old with a terminal illness? He obviously wasn't given it when Roger was alive because they were equals.
Are you serious? So WB became βsickbeardβ as soon as he arrived at marineford? This is core definition of headcanon. βFuck logic, we agendaβ
Tell me how he could use ACoC and clash equally with shanks but in marineforf suddenly he can't even use basic CoC. Tell me why it was reiterated multiple times that it was because of his sickness he wasn't able to fully go all out.
Itβs simply because of inconsistency thatβs it. Oda has never been consistent with haki and he never will. Back then there was probably no such thing as βACoCβ because haki was just invented.
You are being dumb at this point. Kaido and BM clashed without Acoc and splitted the sky too.
Shanks and WB litteraly TOUCHED at that clash they had! How in the world are you saying that they used Acoc, when we know that if you use it you don't touch your oponent when hitting..
You are willfuly ignorant or just a troll
Show me the panel of WB clash with the black rays
Also not true, just you and your headcanon again
He wasn't healthy. He was attached to like 10 IV's and could barely breathe
Blud is sitting there with multiple IVs hooked up to him but somehow he's healthy and capable of stalling Kaido π€£π
There's so many kids on here with terrible takes π
Still split the sky and clashed equally with shanks, ACoC.
And had the title.
They're not going to take the title away from him just because he got old
White beard had been sick for years. There's no such thing as "healthy oldbeard"
White beard had been sick for years
And your source for that is?
Ace novel.
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This mans had a HOLE in the middle of his chest and still had dude on the ropes running. Just without the stab alone, sickbeard is killin them. Dude Single Handly destroyed most of marine ford in his 2 min fight, while whooping Akainu and sending mans into the earth. This isn't a good comparison fight because Akainu could also keep up with BM and Kaido both, so using the fight he lost against a super strong enemy doesn't matter if his enemy could also beat BM for sure.
How couldnβt he last a minute when akainu is the one who lost ?
Akainu win. Anyone above 10 years old knows that.
Needs no explanation
Who died and who had no lasting injuries?
Wb died while fighting the blackbeard pirates after overpowering the strongest admiral with 2 blows while he was already in a dying state.
Akainus life was saved by a gigantic hole wb created with a punch that knocked akainus ass down.
Yeah I'm sure whitebeard would've survived that lava hole in his chest if it wasn't for blackbeard pirates
He kept on fighting while akainu wasnt able to fight until wb died. Just accept that even a dying whitebeard is enough to defeat an admiral.
Yeah he defeated an admiral while at the same getting sentenced to death by lava, what a crushing defeat, he won but died at the same time
At the same time ? Bro did you miss some chapters or episodes ? Because there clearly was a whole section where HIM and blackbeard had an exchange which ended in wb being jumped by the whole crew.
what I meant by "died at the same time" is that he sacrified his life against akainu, BB pirates just ended him but he was dead anyway
Ah so Akainu was saved by WB because of something WB did. Makes sense
Ironically yes.
The fact of the matter is;, Whitebeard suffered a fatal injury from Akainu whilst failing to land one of his own. Akainu won
Nope. Whitebeard was the last man standing between the 2. Its even symbolic how akainu only reappeared after WB died. Btw he was still standing even after that.
All that matters is who died. It's not a Sumo match, knocking your opponent out of bounds doesn't mean you win
Yall keep saying sick/old WB. You realize he's connected to his IVs when meeting shanks. Without those in him he's "sick" in marineford. He's the same.
God I fucking hate Kaido fans so fucking much.
I donβt think there are any Kaido fans, just not ready and never will be ready powerscalers
wb falls and shanks canβt handle the 2v1
The shanks wank is on the rise.
Goatbeard downplay as atrocious as always here.
On the left we have 2 low tier yonko and on the right we have a top 1 pre ts and top 1 post ts wonder who wins.
Iβm sorry that people just hating admitting that Whitebeard is by far the weakest Yonko by the time of Marineford. He canβt use any advanced Haki and his durability is completely shit by this time in the story managing to get pierced and shot by regular weapons. Heβs def also not going to be as fast as the rest of them. BM would beat Whitebeard but people will just say NO because itβs Whitebeard.
Kaido > Shanks or WB individually
Big Mom at the very least = this WB, BM probably even wins. It's not like WB can keep the IV while he's jumping around fighting BM.
Nah bro, Kaido <= Shanks or WB
More supports what I said than what you did
If it is pre Ts Oldbeard, Kaido and Big Mom win.
As opposed to post-TS Oldbeard π
I mean there is still Primebeard Β―\(γ)/Β―
And yet I had Old beard > big mom, Shanks >kaido
Both of these takes are wrong imo.
Shanks and WB extreme diff.
Oldbeard got power creeped by Kaido/BM just like how they are about to get power creeped by Shanks
Akagami solos even without WB
Shanks beats either, a healthy Whitebeard at least beats Big Mom. So, the good Emperors win.
W, but Shanks good?
The strongest one wins
By that I mean Shanks and Whitebeard
W
big mom will forget that she is kaidos ally (like she did in wano) and randomly helps shanks and whitebeard so ,,not strongest yonko duo" wins
Do people forget that Even Off med WB was still a beast?
If he didn't have conqueror haki induced heart attacks(Had 2 when trying to use it, atleast the timing fits), he would still be relatively strong
Shanks and WB
Big mom can atleast hold off shanks for a bit. Old cancer LBeard would lose to Kaido and then Kaido and big mom team on shanks. I think shanks is stronger than both of them individually, but together there's no chance. Edit: just realise the same could happen with the other team, Whitebeard holds off kaido while Shanks whoops big mom, after that Whitebeard and shanks WHOOP Kaido. Kaido would get the whooping of a lifetime in this scenario π€£
Laido taking a beating is what I like
Kaido doesnt need more haters, he needs less glazers
Shanks > Kaido
Oldbeard > Big Mom
Exactly what I was thinking
I think both Shanks and Whitebeard (in his prime) can each probably solo, as we are far past the point in the story of pretending all these characters are relative to each other.
If its Marineford WB then he high or ext diffs Kaido and Shanks mid diffs Big Mom so mid diff in total
Mf whitebeard was struggling to use haki and was getting dodged and sniped by kizaru. Kaido is taking his head off
Not as easily though, probably extreme diff
I would argue high diff. The gura and insane physical force would make him admiral level. But advance conquer makes a yonkou. Without access to his immense Wb isnβt lasting long against someone would just eat his attacks
Headcanon argument
Shanks > BM high diff
Kaido >= Oldbeard extreme diff
Shanks and Goatbeard win
Second team Narratively is obv that Shanks is stronger than Kaido. Fuck off titles. So Shanks extreme diff Kaido, Oldbeard can push Big Mom to high, or even extreme (I want so bad to say that Oldbeard one shot BM, but let's be real), and then Shanks jumps BM. If this fight happens, 100% Oda makes 2nd team win.
Only obvious to those who have wishful thinking as their narrative.
Of course the no. 1 kaido glazer disagrees, remember marineford and how Kaido was supposed to be there until he met a certain someone
I'm not a Kaido glazer, I scale realistically, unlike y'all who just hate without actual reason.
Not a combat feat, Oda made that abundantly clear.
Why even post if you're gonna call a glazer someone who disagrees with you, just delete the post at this point π
Because am familiar with his game
we'll talk about it again in a couple of years
I remember people saying "ah, Kaido will be forgotten and ignored in no time" 2 years ago. Yet here we are.
At one point y'all need to start getting better material than wishful thinking and bending the narrative.
The difference between shanks > Kaido should be bigger than Big Mom > Oldbeard. So I have team 2 winning
If it was Luffy + Shanks itβd be high diff
W
Shanks neg-diffs Big Mom while Oldbeard stalls Kaido. Or Shanks easily beats Kaido and Oldbeard beats Slow Mom.
Lol
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