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The Supreme Court just handed Biden a narrative that could win the election…if he chooses to act..
He can’t just come out and say he’s going to take some extreme action the day of the decision. I’m very certain, just from hearing other democrats talk about this, that there are a lot of discussions happening. I think they realize that trunp will have them arrested, at the very least, if he gets back in office. I do think this actually damages trunp’s chances in November, but I don’t think anyone on his enemies list is comfortable leaving this in the hands of an election they can try and rig.
This is where the gloves have to come off and they need to come out swinging. trunp cannot be allowed anywhere near this much power
Democrat presidents do not get the protection this decision affords Republican presidents. This SCOTUS is not going to shield a Democrat president by declaring indictable acts as official acts like they will a Republican president. Democrat presidents get the "unofficial act" treatment.
So stop thinking Biden suddenly has Dictator powers. He doesn't. The SCOTUS was never going to let a Democrat president have the same toys. They set themselves up a "legal" way to keep any Democrat president in check while letting the Republican presidents do all the bad things.
Only Trump gets to be king.
They ducked demonstrating this until next year in the hope Trump will win in November and make it all moot. If he doesn't, you'll see this time next year when the DC trial pops back up on their docket that they meant everything he was indicted for is actually an official act.
Democrats are afraid their fickle, bickery base is going to stop voting if they emphasize the present hopelessness of the situation. They want you voting, they want you knowing its bad, but they're absolutely afraid of despair and apathy setting in if you know exactly how long it's going to take to fix what's gone awry.
It's going to take decades. It took Republicans decades to make it all line up. It'll probably take longer to fix it because Democrats like to bicker and self-own. Just look how they're destroying any chance of winning 2024 presently over a single debate performance in June. It's hard to imagine Democrats being focused enough to undo what was a concerted effort by conservatives over a period of 40+ years.
/S He could just switch parties last minute like the other Russian puppets.
No shit the courts won't let Biden do it. That's why he should do it anyway, to challenge it. If the Democrats want me voting, then they're doing a piss poor job of demonstrating why I would ever trust them to even attempt to fix anything. There's nothing hopeless about the situation. What is hopeless is relying on Joe Biden to suddenly start fixing it.
This is why dems get called stupid. The man said he won’t abuse that power. However noble meaning it does little to satisfy me or anybody else but the opposition. Who had to know we would not use the power. Why else be so confident and issue the power while we still have control? I and so many others said it hours before it was official. They will do nothing and our opposition depends on our constant inaction.
If he came out and said he intends to use the power to imprison his enemies, I’m not sure that helps. I wouldn’t assume that just bc Biden says the right thing that there aren’t discussions going on with advisors about potential steps that can be taken. and as much as I hope he uses it against trunp, saying you’re going to abide by the law is absolutely the right thing to say right now. It draws a distinct line between trunp and everyone else. And make no mistake, this IS the election. This is a 911/Jan 6 level event as far as how it affects the political landscape (obviously people lost their lives in those so they were clearly more harmful in that area)
There is now one issue on the ballot every time we elect a president, and you definitely want to be the guy saying you won’t abuse your power. This is one instance where being older, more deliberate and stable, and not a raving lunatic, will absolutely help Biden. Thats the silver lining afaic. This pretty much erases the debate from the news cycle, and it might even play in his favor now. Even if you think Biden has dementia and won’t live two weeks into his presidency, he’s a much less scary choice than the guy saying he was going to have military tribunals for his enemies.
If you’re Biden, you now run on not abusing your power, and promising to push legislation to restore balance to the three branches of government. The anti-dictator position is an easy case to make.
Going to polite and high road our way right into fascism. Js they expected us to do nothing and what did we do? That why they were confident passing it while we had power.
I agree. Thats why he needs to use this against them. Let them know that pandering to trunp was a mistake.
I think this is the move… Biden declares trunp an insurrectionist and a domestic terrorist and has him declared ineligible to hold office. He does the same for any republican who voted against certifying the election. He can try and do the same for the judges, or he can just pack the court by ramming new judges through the senate. Then they immediately fast track a case to SCOTUS and overturn this decision.
Biden, in the meantime, announces he will not be running for a second term, and we essentially have a hard reboot. Ianal but I’m pretty sure he can do all of that stuff now. If he does, he will go down as one of the greatest presidents in history. Single-handedly averting a fascist dictatorship does wonders for your legacy. It also doesn’t look like he’s prosecuting his opponent since he won’t run and accept a second term. I think this is about as smooth a way past this as possible. But I don’t trust leaving this to an election. trunp is too big a risk anywheee near that power.
What do you want him to do, which won't be immediately stopped by an injunction from a conservative federal judge?
Hey so long as we do nothing right. Not even attempt to remove the law. Naw just leave it there wrapped up for trump.
What, exactly, do you think should be done?
I already said appeal the ruling. Was that not clear?
To SCOTUS?
How do you think that's gonna go?
Yes, I imagine it will be appealed. But we know that it will either be bounced back, summarily dismissed, delayed until after the election, or will be a 6-3 decision against whatever Biden tries to do.
This SCOTUS decision doesn't give the President more power- it gives SCOTUS more power.
Even though it says a sitting president is not held legally or criminally responsible it does not empower them? What exactly is your plan then? Surely it can’t be just let it happen and do not even try anything right?
Take another look at the ruling. It's not saying that the President can't be held legally or criminally responsible for official acts- it says that the judiciary gets to decide if any given act is an "official" act. This was a naked power grab by SCOTUS (or, more specifically, the conservative activist justices on SCOTUS).
Any act even marginally questionable performed by a President will now have to be run past SCOTUS (or, more specifically, past a gauntlet of judges up to, and including, SCOTUS). They get the final say on whether the President's allowed to do it.
And would you mind not downvoting my comments? It's a little childish.
So then what’s is YOUR plan then huh? Using a built in mechanism to show my dissatisfaction is childish? 🤦♂️
Honestly? I got none. I don't see a way out of this, aside from Biden winning the election and a bunch of justices retiring, then revisiting this decision (or taking advantage of it). But the odds of that many justices retiring? Not high, I'd say.
Are you just gonna keep downvoting everything I say? 'Cause if so, we're done here.
ETA: Yep, we're done here. I'm really, really sorry you don't like what I'm saying. I'm not a big fan of it, either.
Biden doesn't win or lose on the damn issues!
He wins or loses on people's perception of him and that perception is in the garbage. We need a new candidate like now.
I know a lot of people disagree with me, but my position is Biden needs to bow out, hand the reins to a younger non Kamala Harris candidate
...and use his last months committing a crime wave against his political enemies
The last part is more of a joke...sort of
The chaos that would be caused by changing candidate now would hand the election to Trump. The Democrats are incompetent, leaderless and lacking direction. It's Trump's election to lose now.
I don't understand this idea that a new candidate will have a harder time.
Biden is too old, the debate showed us the dementia has gotten bad. There is no fixing what he did on the debate stage. People aren't going to forget about it.
He is a liability to down ballot Democrats
Now imagine a younger candidate is put forward. I can tell you my sense of that would be extreme relief. I would be overjoyed at the opportunity of of having a candidate who I can trust to go stand in the spot light give us speech and take the fight to Trump.
And I think that if you're being honest with yourself you know you would be too. Even if it was Harris.
The Biden platform is popular. It's Biden that's unpopular. So all you have to do is promise to keep doing the good parts and to fix the bad parts. In this way it's a chance for a reset.
You could explicitly call out all of Bidens worst policies and decisions, give people the satisfaction of having their frustration about those things heard and validated, and then promise a new path forward.
I do think that many people in the middle see Trump for what he is. He's a known quantity. If people have a meaningful alternative to him, I guarantee they'd take it. "Generic Democrat" has outperformed Biden in the polls. This means people support Democrats but don't like Biden.
Bottom line is this. Biden...is...a... liability
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"If he chooses to act," which, by all statements made by the White House on the matter, he will not. Because he has "respect for the office of the Supreme Court" or whatever bullshit.