Woman cannot understand why there are Jewish supporters for Palestine
Bro .....nobody wins a religious argument with them. They memorize every section in the Torah
I've grown fond of Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro, who is so anti-Zionist that he wrote a 1400 page book about why Zionism is not only not Judaism, but is anti-Judaism.
Whatâs the name of this book
The Empty Wagon: Zionismâs Journey from Identity Crisis to Identity Theft. It's dense but a must read for any religious anti-Zionist Jew (such as myself).
Being able to blab on and on about some meaningless passage when your country's troops are bombing children and starving them on purpose is a clear sign you suck or your religion sucks, or both.
You didnât actually hear what was said did you?!
Zionism is Antisemitism. Zionism is a political movement with the trappings of Judaism.
Zionism...an ideology destined for the trash heap of history.
This! Zhionism doesnât prevent anti-jewish hatred, they instigate them. I love the jews people who came out of tribal mentality and have spoken for the oppressed Palestine!
The only ones powerful enough who can stop these fake zionist-type jews are, ironically, the real deal orthodox jews themselves (actually, the most realest jews are the Israelites of Ethiopia but that's a whole nother story).
Naziyehu made a big mistake trying to force draft them into committing genocide and it will be the thing that turns the tide for the Palestinians.
100 percent on this. I loathe the things this conflict has made me feel about the human condition.
Thatâs what the idea of war is supposed to do to a properly informed and compassionate human.
The fact that needs to be said is a sad testament. People believe if they feel they are in the right then they can be as vile as they want.
What astonishes me (though it shouldnât) is how often itâs cloaked in a religious garb. Apparently religion teaches morals and moral depravity in the same breath.
Unfortunately the human condition is rich with examples of people doing awful things fully believing that they are doing good. If it werenât religion (which it often has been) it could be other ideologies. Normal German citizens became Nazis not because they were evil but because they were coerced into believing they were doing the right thing. We might like to believe that we would never allow ourselves to be corrupted but as history shows us, almost all of us are corruptible.
Zionism benefits from antisemitism. Without antisemitism the Zionist entity loses its legitimacy
That was Jean Paul Sartreâs thesis and Albert Memmi .
Yes, Zionism was a nationalist political ideology that emerged because Jews felt they would never be safe in the diaspora due to antisemitism.
This is such an idiotic argument and takes no account of historical facts. Pre Zionism there was plenty of anti-Jewish hatred. Zionism arose out of the idea that Jews needed a safe place so that they could be apart from the people that historically hated them. Now fast forward to the present - Zionism is the latest excuse for the anti-jew crowd to hate on Jews. If there was no Zionism you would still have the same people who have always hated Jews, still hating on Jews.
I disagree. Thereâs no doubt in my mind that even without Zhionism, there would be anti jewish sentiments. But wrapping the religion of âJudaismâ with the current version of an apartheid state with illegal occupation of a whole population (i.e. Zhionism) doesnât make these people any safer, it puts them in front of global outrage against a genocide. I have no issue with any religion, but you canât rebrand your country in the name of theocracy and democracy at the same time. Itâs just a stupid argument that is somewhat offensive towards collective consciousness of gobal south.
Well, now I just sound condescending and tone deaf. You got a point, edited the comment to express my intention.
Dude, I am from south Asia. We know what dehumanizing means - we have been on the receiving end too, and these people has been oppressed for centuries throughout the Europe and some parts of Asia too. I am not insensitive about the suffering of others, I am just sick and tired of people using Judaism as an armor for the atrocities committed by Israel (that includes from politicians to media, and everyone in between) - thatâs why sometimes seeing common sense people makes me comment about that.
I too am from Pakistan Zionism is a settler colonial project and a very disgusting project
Oh how convenient! An interesting take from someone who lives in a country that was also subject to British colonialism and whose borders were randomly manufactured to create a deep cultural and political divide that still very much exists today. How is Kashmir doing???
That's exactly what Israel is doing, trying to subject the Palestinians to cruelty in the most dehumanization ways, worst than colonialism. Just because it happens in the past is not an argument that it is acceptable right now. I live in a country what was subjected to British cruelty, our indigenous populations suffered so much, still to this day. And this is way I am against what the Israeli gov is doing. Israel is a bully, and America is the bigger bully.
Just a random view from a guy whose great great grandfather is burried just a few 100km from his current location not Poland or Ukraine đ¤
British Raj in Sub Continent was unique as they never actually ruled it like they ruled other colonial outposts they were outnumbered and relied heavily on local conflicts to pit people against one another
It was a very extractive model of colonialism as opposed to what took place in the New World or Palestine
Ooh which part of south Asia?
Bangladesh.
Ahh. The country where my parent's country occupied for a bit :(
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Zionist bot acting like you give two shits about those âblacksâ to shill for your racist fascist ethnostate that is currently committing genocide and itâs only being allowed because of armies of paid bots like you doing damage control online.
I encountered a zionist in the early days of the current stage of the conflict who claimed that the IDF is blameless for the atrocities they were committing because the IDF were the will of all Jewish people. I tried really hard to get them to explain to me how building a monolith around the Jewish faith and culture is any different than what the Nazis did to justify the Holocaust. They couldn't of course, just spouted blood and soil rhetoric.
Just to add to your comment: Zionism was created by an antisemitic Jewish man who didn't even believe in religion, especially Judaism.
I have been saying that Zionism is inherently antisemitic for a long time. Zionism is NOT Judaism. Zionism is fascism & nationalism and it is an attempt to make an ethno-state. I think we all remember what happened to the last country that attempted to make an ethno-state (and then attempted to turn all of Europe into one big, massive ethno-state).
The woman who is screaming at the (very clearly and obviously) Jewish man is obviously not Jewish and does not follow the Torah. Oddly enough, the woman looks like someone who would have been safe during the rise of Notsee-ism. Tbh, she may've even been one of the folks running one of those "labor camps." Heck, maybe she even got a chance to live out her fantasy if she served in the IOF.
I mean, Zionists were the ones who were telling the secret German police (don't want to get banned, so I am not saying anything specific) where Jews were hiding. They helped the said police capture thousands, possibly even hundreds of thousands.
All in all, zionists have never been the good guys. They thrive on antisemitism. They literally bombed Jewish neighborhoods all over the MENA region in an attempt to show them that "Jewish people will only be safe within our newly formed state," even though they did the same thing to the Semitic Palestinians who have been there since before the Torah was written.
Sorry, I'm done with my rant. My old account was banned for saying something very similar to this, so I'll look over it again and make sure nothing is "threatening or calling for violence." Aannnddd, I've fixed what I think may have gotten a second look. The thing is, I'm just writing down historical facts, so I'm not saying anything bad.
That was a thoughtful comment my friend.
The lies are falling apart.
So you know about the Samaritans
Who specifically are you referring to? I've never heard of Zionism originating from a single person.
Theodor Herzl
Zionists love him so much, they dug up his body and buried him in Israel
Theodor Herzl was not an antisemite. He was not religious indeed, but he had no problems with Jews, on the contrary.
And you really need to quote sources for your claim Zionists sold out hundreds of thousands of Jews to the Gestapo.
There were Jewish collaborators, but absolutely not in the scale you claim.
When and which Zionists sold Jews to the Gestapo? How much money did the Gestapo give them and for how many Jews?
I have no idea, I am not the person who made this claim. And I know for a fact, since I am German and we have studied the history of the Third Reich extensively, that there weren't mass Zionist collaborators, who sold out hundreds of thousands of Jews to the Gestapo.
But the person who made this claim seems to be heavily into conspiracy theories in general.
A lot of antijewish idiots in this thread. Oh look, I'm banned from this subreddit for saying that
Yeah sadly true. It's fair and right to criticize Israels politics, government and military actions, and the current day form of Zionism, but sharing conspiracy theories full of lies about Zionist Nazi collaborators, to paint Jews as some sort of evil, is just a form of hidden antisemitism.
No wonder the person got his account deleted already once.
Technically... "Semites" is the ethnic group that covers Arabs, Jews, parts of north Africa, and the middle-east. So Antisemitic would mean also anti-arabs/muslims/christians and many more.
But the Zionists hijacked the term to refer only to themselves, which is the most Zionist thing ever; Taking what rightfully belongs to many and making it only yours.
Is this r/conspiracy? This sub is fine with blatant antisemitism?
Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if it's discovered that those inbreeds financed all this slaughter. If they did, they didn't even did it for the Zionism, but for their own power and wealth. They're so disgusting, I truly can't believe they still exist. Yuck.
anti-zionism... semites are far larger than just some war criminal zionists
This!
I told a Jewish lady this and she blocked me. She is a blonde with blue eyes, so if you look at her, you just assumed she is a Caucasian. When some one pointed that out, she screamed "I am not white, I am Jewish". Her ancestors were probably came from the caucasus region. I hate that fact she thinks she's better than us, the plebeian, just because she is a jew.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism not true, donât know where you get your information, I see this false claim posted everywhere.
Semitic refers to the language group which includes Arabic and Hebrew. Your use of Semitic as a racial group is about 200 years out of date, and comes from 19th century race science. Antisemitism was a term that was invented as a more scientific sounding term for Jew hatred, and popularized by self identified antisemites.
It is not false, just because the use of the term had changed over time doesn't make my claim, which is rather regarding the origin, untrue. In fact, you seem to even acknowledge it; https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite
Even in your own words: "Semitic refers to the language group which includes Arabic and Hebrew.", so to go around labeling anyone who criticizes the actions of Israel as anti-semitism is bluntly dumb, because Israel discriminates against Palestinians which would make it also an anti-semitic state, but those who criticize it are also anti-semitic?
The term is propagated in modern times as means of oppressing speech and spreading disinformation... heck, even many non-israeli Jews are joining the criticism of Israel, so how does anti-semitism apply here?
There are more evangelical Christian zionists than Jewish zionists.
The statement "Zionism is antisemitism" is both ignorant and incorrect for several reasons:
Definition and Origins: Zionism is a nationalist and political movement that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel. It emerged in the late 19th century as a response to widespread antisemitism and persecution faced by Jews in Europe and other parts of the world. Zionism seeks to provide Jews with a safe and sovereign state.
Antisemitism Defined: Antisemitism refers to hostility, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews. It has historically manifested in various forms, including social exclusion, economic restrictions, violence, and genocidal acts like the Holocaust. Antisemitism is fundamentally about hatred and mistreatment of Jews as a people.
Goals and Purposes: The primary goal of Zionism is the self-determination and protection of Jews. It aims to ensure their safety and cultural continuity by establishing a national home where they can live free from persecution. Antisemitism, on the other hand, seeks to harm, exclude, and oppress Jews.
Historical Context: Zionism arose in direct response to antisemitism. Jewish leaders and thinkers like Theodor Herzl advocated for a Jewish state because they recognized that Jews needed a safe haven to escape antisemitic violence and discrimination. Equating Zionism with antisemitism ignores this crucial historical context.
Logical Contradiction: Saying that Zionism is antisemitism is a logical contradiction. Zionism, by its very nature, is a movement for the empowerment and protection of Jews. It cannot be antisemitic because it does not seek to harm Jews but rather to provide them with security and self-determination.
Misunderstanding or Misrepresentation: Often, such statements arise from a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Criticisms of specific policies of the Israeli government or disagreements over territorial issues can be valid, but they do not equate to labeling Zionism itself as antisemitic.
Impact on Dialogue: Equating Zionism with antisemitism undermines constructive dialogue and understanding. It conflates a legitimate national movement with hatred and prejudice, which can hinder efforts to address genuine grievances and find peaceful solutions to conflicts.
Understanding these distinctions is crucial for informed and respectful discourse on the complex issues surrounding Israel, Zionism, and antisemitism.
Woman's brain exploded đ¤Ł
She reminds me of the lady who was trying to tell the bear not to eat her kayak.
âBEAR!!!! NO BEAR DONT EAT MY KAYAK BEAR!!!!â
American toddler screaming " that is our country". Yup... Colony more like.
While in a colony...
Which colony would that be?
Considering it looks like the USA, one of the many I guess.
Probably New Amsterdam
The United States?
Bruh she said youâre not a Jew to a Jew đ
A quite Jewish looking Jew at that
Lady was seriously apoplectic
To probably one of the most stereotypical looking Jewish man around
She seems like a very rational and well adjusted person đ
A blonde woman calling a Jewish man not Jewish is wild
Zionism is a cult and these people are fucking deranged
Most Jewish people I know are all pro Palestine.
Same. In fact, all of them that I can think of with maybe one exception.
Her attitude is the perfect example of the effects of indoctrination. A person who believes blindly in a cause without knowing the truth behind it is far more dangerous than somebody who knows what theyâre doing is wrong and does it anyway.
Zionism was founded as, and built upon the foundation of colonialism, supremacism and ethnic cleansing, there is a reason why Israel was the biggest ally to Apartheid South Africa, they shared a vision of a racist police state, of ethnicly cleansing the native population to establish a police state, Zionism will always cause conflict because it is inherently the ideology of conquest, brutality and oppression.
Free Palestine
The toddler in the stroller really comes out of nowhere at the last second. What are you doing acting like that around your young kid, screaming and freaking out at other people?
How terrible for someone so young to be introduced to that kind of aggressive behavior from your parent, let alone inciting loud and aggressive responses from those around you. That must have been so traumatic for a young brain to comprehend.
Itâs unfortunate. As a mother with four kids, I would never want my children to see me that distressed, and also physically assaulting someone and thinking that that behavior was okay. She looks like she was having a mental breakdown and probably should not be the primary caregiver for a child. She needs to deal with some serious psychological issues, no joke.
Without sound, it looks like a German harassing Jewish people. Funny that.
"I'm Jewish" bitch what do you think they are Hasidic Muslims?
Sheâs a petulant half-witted and indoctrinated child.
Forreal, terrifying really. Her world was shattered when she realised not all Jews are willing to murder for the benefit of the Israeli state. You could see it her eyes she just had a total 404 on them questioning the status quo.
Isnât the Hasidic Jewish population in NYC mostly made up of families that have direct relatives that fled the holocaust. So it makes sense they would strongly disagree with what Israel is doing.
"How can you say that? You're a Jew!"
2 seconds later...
"You're not a Jew! You're not a Jew!".
Honestly the Zionists believers are entrenched in a mind numbing superiority complex.
"what are you talking about!!!!" she then proceeds not to listen
Why do Karens talk three octaves higher than others? Is it genetic?
It's a character trait, kinda like how all botox people look similar as if they're part of the same family tree.
And "the prodigal daughter" parable is about a woman who stopped getting Botox, but eventually returned to the Botox family.
did she get fired
How do you say Karen in hebrew?
damn - beat me to it by 10 minutes!
I love how she can't argue her point, so she immediately turns to violence.
To be Jewish apparently you must wish for the death of all Arabs.
Entitled Zionists. Iâm proud of those real Jewish folks standing up to Zionism. Renegades of Funk!
White women... How can I insert myself into the situation and make this about me?
This is what ACTUALLY getting all your information from the TV looks like lol.
IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING JEWISH. THIS IS A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE. THESE ZIONISTS ARE MAKING IT ABOUT ANTI-SEMITISM.
When you are so tribal biased, it's impossible to see or listen to the other side.
Karen is going to have a nerves breakdownâŚ
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Why is she yelling. She just looks like a lunatic. You can disagree without screaming your brains out ladyâŚ
Love at the end how she backs away with a kid who was between her and the people she was swinging at. Bish is crazy.
Because she is witnessing something that shatters her entire understand of the world which includes her place in it. This is a video of someone beginning to doubt themselves to their core and not handling it well.
Someone who is clearly more devoted to Judaism than her is hitting her with factual and rational arguments. That is conflicting with her entirely emotional position and causing internal turmoil because the logical part of her brain does not like these conflicting views. That turmoil is literally causing a fight or flight response.
Hopefully she comes out the other side a little more open minded. Maybe she will see this video and be appalled by her behavior enough to ask herself why she responded like that. But sadly, sheâll likely just do that monkey-brain thing where humans double down on their beliefs after being presented with information that undermines said belief.
This is our Westboro Baptist Church.
Man I have a lot of respect for those men. Unlike the IDF and all the whiners on campuses saying they felt âunsafeâ during pro-Palestine protests (or even attacked them), these guys know their values and how they are guided by their religion and are unafraid to voice them.
Man.. the real Samists people here is the Palestinians, not some random people who came from west and east europe countries..(Yeah they was and still a little group of Arab who calls themselves Saimirians or simply jews but didn't have any effect in the occupation) I can't understand how they calling themselves Samists even if historically their ancestors admitted that they aren't descendants of Children of Israel.
𤣠crying again. Permanent victim complex.
Zionists love Isreal and hate Jews.
"Why are you like this!" she says, while not listening to the people explaining their reasoning.
christina zionism is the reason why we have isreali zionism. christians believe int he rapture second coming of christ and when that happens all jews burn in hell except the 120k that converted or whatever the bible says. this is a big reason evengelicals support isreal.
Saying that you have to support the murder and starvation of Palestinian kids in order to earn your "Jew card" is possibly the most anti-semitic thing you can possibly say yet Israel and the USA are gaslighting the entire world to try and make people think that it's normal
This lady will ban you from r/worldnews so quickly.
Zionists want to replace Judaism with Zionism.
That's why there's a push to kick non-Zionists from rabbinical schools.
Zionists perfected antisemitism. Beyond everything else, they did all their antisemitism while waving a flag that stole the symbol of Judaism.
Zionism is racism. A belief of racial entitlement to Palestine and the racial right to ethnically cleanse it. It is evil.
Calling the most stereotypical looking Jewish guy in the workd ânot a Jewâ đ¤Śđťââď¸đ¤Ł Fair play to these guys calling it like it is. Big respect.
Jews are dope - from a non-Jew. Best bagels.
What home is she talking about, she would not hold a year without having skin cancer.
Union Square NYC
Americans.....
I am American.
Zionist antisemite cannot wrap the truth around her brainwashed head. This is the result of 75 years of propaganda and misinformation. Keep showing yourselves. :)
To be fair, most people think that Jess are from Israel only and would probably support the Israeli state.
She is jw supremacist sc um
She had a kid in a stroller. Poor kid.
She needs therapy
People forget they put their own standards on what another person is
American political discourse in a nutshell
Oh look, another brainwashed turd that would rather be told what to say and think than to research and come up with her own opinion.
Her best response is, you can't say that because you're Jewish đđđ
Zionism is the bullied kid that came to school with a machine gun and got a medal for standing up for itself.
Zionists really have no common sense or for that matter no brain
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT YOURE JEWISH.
people are children.
oh my god what an insufferable bitch
REEEEEEEEE
I can understand why she canât understand, itâs because sheâs a racist idiot.
"Hey, you're Jewish too! That means you're obliged to think, speak and act the way I expect you to!"
In the name of combatting anti-Semitism, of course.
She had a fucking baby there the whole time omg đđđ¤Śââď¸
Zionism asks you to leave your brain behind
"How can you shame your own people" Strong 'silent German' vibes here
We need more of this. Also lady the Palestinians have more genetic blood dating back to the Jewish ppl that were there 2000 years ago than you. Shes most likely 100% European without an ounce coming from âIsraelâ.
This Blond woman shocked that other Jews donât claim they are Middle eastern.
Not all of Israelis are radical right supporters. In fact about 70% want Israel to accept a ceasefire to talk about ending the conflict.
Her voice is excruciating and an embodiment of zionists
Imagine looking at that dude and trying to say he's not Jewish. Like I know it's not the only way to be Jewish but it is definitely one of the most immediately recognizable.
All I heard from her was "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!"
White lady is from whatever city they are in and only went to Isreal during her Birthright trip while being filled with propaganda.
She's a paid actor trying to disrupt protests
You got any proof of those claims homie?
homeboiiiiii
I don't know what would cause you to respond that way but I'm sorry it happened.
lol, wanker.
What is your strategy here? To change minds by being as hostile as possible?
THeir strategy is to belittle and annoy you.
Well, they're fucking failing đ¤Ł
Are they? Because you're replying to them. Use your time wisely.
I'm commuting from work on public transportation. I have nothing better to do.
She wasn't sorry, but she was disappointed. You aught to apologize for wasting her time like that.
Wasnât funny the first time hahaha
This right here.
Asking for proof is apparently haram now.
Pretty sure it was a joke
Pretty sure youâre a joke.
đ an admission of defeat. Better luck next time
Oy-vey!
Like turkeys celebrating Thanksgiving.
Clowns.
They are known as Netirai Karta. They are an offshoot of Satmar and are not in included by almost any mainstream Jewish sect. Itâs NOT that they donât believe in Zionism. Itâs that they believe that until âthe Messiah comesâ thereâs no reason to have a Jewish faith state (of any kind - especially one that isnât based on their particular views). âIf the messiah came tomorrowâ then they would have the direct opposite view they have now. They think that creating a Jewish State ânowâ only makes non Jews hate Jews and since âhe isnât hereâ thereâs no point.
Meh there were Jews for hitler too and black white supremacists, gay republicans You'll never stop anyone wanting their own destruction you just have to let them figure out where they sit on the "no one spoke for me" scale hopefully before the the knocking comes.
I don't think any commenter here understands who those Jews support "Palestine" either. They have some very strange religious beliefs. Most Orthodox so not want Israel dismantled but those people do.
Kind of seems like they're just putting on a show. 95% of Israelis support ginocide.
Um⌠what? A little over half the country supports a ceasefire and hostage deal Source. The Israeli government supports genocide but many of the Israeli people have been protesting against their government.
Also, I donât believe this clip was even taken in Israel. Did you see an Orthodox Jewish man and assume it must be in Israel?
Btw in Israel, pro-peace and pro-Palestine Israelis will sometimes use the Palestinian flag in their anti-war protests, but Israeli police (which are very corrupt) will usually grab and confiscate those things very quickly.
Well she is right to assume so since its the same group of weirdos that have been denounced from all the sects that keep doing this (and you guys that keep posting it) making it all quiet ridiculous.
Oh man, youâre the real victim here đĽş
"Only a ridiculously tiny minority of jews are against zionism" is both not true and not the positive thing you seem to think it would be
The fact that you believe that jews in Israel are more legitimately jewish than jews who live elsewhere speaks volumes to your idiotic and bigoted beliefs
Man I love the Torah Jews