Kiss
ShitpostingRock and Roll All Night is basically Chuck Berry
I feel like a lot of this misunderstanding is a result of Gene Simmons being the face of the band and going way harder on the aesthetic than the others. Peter Criss and Paul Stanley look like 80’s nerds trying to fit in at a bdsm club
Honestly knowing the BDSM community it's mostly nerds 😅 I have heard both programming language preference and plenty of discussion of D&D at the local sex club
You're telling me I can get d&d players if I go to the bdsm club?
Probably! last Sapphic night I started a conversation with another girl because she had a tattoo of the traditional 7 dice set on her collarbone. I will probably chat her up again next time once I'm recovered enough from surgery to go back 😅
well, I'm sold. any advice on how to get started? i don't know anyone who does kink and i have no idea how to find them >_<
Ha definitely depends on what the community is like where you are, I had the benefit of having a really lovely sex positive bath house/ sex club that was a great place to go and get comfortable and meet people in the community, but in some places without dedicated spaces like that it's much more frequently one off kink parties etc.
In terms of how to learn about those and make friends with the community you can find munches in the community which are just sort of relatively normal meetup events of the community which is often where you'd get to know people and make friends before getting more heavily involved. Probably easiest way to find out which one of those is happening around you is Fetlife, checking the events pages for your area.
oh! I'd heard of Fetlife a long while ago, I'm glad it's still around lol. thank you!
It doesn't work super well if you keep the DM gimp locked in your basement between sessions. Don't ask me how I know.
Yeah, but you're doubling the scheduling issues.
A lot of people literally join Fetlife to find board game nights
"Kinky and geeky" is one of the largest groups on Fetlife (aka kinky facebook).
Yeah, they were basically just following in the steps of guys like David Bowie, T Rex, Alice Cooper, Slade, and especially the New York Dolls.
How do you follow bands that came out the same time as you or after?
I don't like KISS, but they were revolutionary at their introduction. Slade was starting their new image at the same time as KISS.
Sorry, I think "follow" was the wrong wording. I think I was moreso thinking of them being influenced by them, I just worded it wrong.
No, you worded it correctly because Kiss was following the movement that those other bands were also apart of.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense considering most of the artists I mentioned were around for a noticeable amount of time before Kiss released their first pieces of music.
There's one guy who played to the "badass evil" look, the others all looked like some form of mime
Gene Simmons makeup was pretty metal, but the platform shoes, the batwing cape, all of it was campy as hell.
This is one of those classic "things from ages ago MUST have been trying and failing to be what I want from things today"
They made a disco song. They could be playing I Was Made for Loving You.
I have a confession to make. I Was Made for Loving You is one one of my favorite Kiss songs and I unironically think it’s a 7.5/10.
KISS makes some bangers honestly. God Gave Rock 'N' Roll To You, I Was Made For Lovin' You, Cold Gin, Love Gun, Detroit Rock City, etc.
God of Thunder is awesome.
I mean Strutter is one of the best strip club songs of all time.
God Gave Rock 'N' Roll To You
Was a cover, song is originally by Argent.
Originally by wyld stallyns actually
Going blind is awesome too. I love the covers by Dinosaur Jr and The Melvins.
me too you’re not alone in this controversial opinion 🫡
It’s a straight banger. If you think I’m wrong fite me
IIRC they made that song as a marker for their personal disdain for disco.
"Look, this shit is fucking EASY, check this out." Cranks out a pretty respectable disco tune in like 2 hours in-studio with no prior experience
I swear, I've heard at least five stories of bands intentionally writing low-effort, generic songs as a gag, only for them to end up really popular.
I've heard of at least 3 attributed to Damon Albarn of Blur/Gorrilaz
Exhibit A: https://youtu.be/r2ZGrcGu5vI
Song 2 was blur's version of this, just talking the piss off American rock, became their most famous
Song 2 is a banger though.
"woohoo!"
I'm not sure if it was intentional, but Tubthumping was Chumbawamba's only hit, and it was a vapid song about drinking. All the rest of their songs are punk.
One of their songs was about "What if all the people we hate were on a plane and then it crashed!"
It was inspired by a drunk neighbour who couldn't unlock his door but kept trying and persevering
I don't know about as a gag, specifically, but Deep Purple wrote Highway Star to demonstrate the songwriting process to a reporter conducting an interview with them on their bus, then performed it that same evening.
Even classical composers did it. Grieg's In The Hall Of The Mountain King was written as a satirical "fuck you" to overly cheesy National Romantic music that kept getting churned out at the time. But people loved it unironically as a National Romantic masterpiece and it's arguably his best-known piece to this day. And Grieg absolutely hated that. In a letter to a friend he wrote "for the mountain king scene I have wrtten something that so reeks of cow dung and ultra-Norwegianism that I cannot bear to listen to it", and even added "but I hope the irony will make itself felt". (Narrator: "it didnt")
Unironically love that piece and am a little sad to hear the creators disdain for the thing
ONE HIT WONDERLAND: "Tubthumping" by Chumbawamba
"I'm a little behind on my Bakunin."
The Cure with Lets Go To Bed lmao
Deftones - Back to School
From the song's wiki page:
While the story is unproven, Paul Stanley, who co-wrote the song with Desmond Child and Vini Poncia, has stated that it was a conscious effort on his part to prove how easy it was to write and record a hit disco song.[5] Child confirms that he and Stanley wrote the verses together in an hour at SIR Studios, while the "Motown-influenced" chorus was penned by Stanley and Poncia after Child had left the studio.
I was too young to know anything about how some people hated certain musical styles, and to be honest I still don't understand that nonsense.
I think the disco hate was a mix of serious oversaturation (especially on the radio) and just good ol' machismo and homophobia.
Let’s also not forget the racism
Let's not forget Beth.
Legitimately, one of my least favourite songs ever made.
Spinal Tap have better lyrics...
Spinal tap is fucking awesome, that's not a fair comparison.
That’s the point - when your lyrics are even sillier than the band who’s supposed to be a parody of you, that’s a bad sign...
Also, at least Spinal Tap used some decent wordplay.
For a group whose name was accused of being the acronym Knights In Service of Satan. They were really tame.
It just goes to show you how stupid satanic panic really is
Taylor Swift is now being accused of performing satantic rituals.
One of the safest, least offensive pop-stars in the world is apparently a satanist these days. These people are completely unhinged.
It's cause she voted Democrat and is famous. In the current political climate being left of Hitler and being even somewhat known is enough to be declared a Bride of Baphomet
Barcodes contain the mark of the devil and you can’t convince me otherwise. Jesus was just too slow to come up with his own system.
They were really tame.
Unless your name was Christine, and you were sixteen.
I went to a live Kiss concert a couple years ago. The music is very much “middle-of-the-road rock,” but it’s genuinely impressive how these dudes are like pushing 70 and still going. Even if Gene Simmons looked like he was melting into some sort of flesh golem with the several pounds of sweaty makeup
That goes for so many 70s bands. My mom and I were talking today about how someone that came on the radio JUST announced his retirement... at 80.
Really? I went to see them with Aerosmith about 10 years ago and the big thing that stuck out to me was that Steven Tyler was still jumping around and climbing the setpieces like he was 25 but Gene Simmons was hobbling around like a geriatric old man. It's weird that they would get more spry in later shows but maybe I just caught a bad show.
Went to see Meatloaf back in '03 and again in '13... my there was indeed a difference in shows...03 had him leaping about and practically crowd surfing... 13... he sat alot and only paraded around for Bat out of Hell... both shows we're magnificent. But the stage presence was noticeable...
Meatloaf's performance at the 2011 AFL Grand Final was ludicrously bad, it ended his career in the eyes of all Australians that day.
half of Judas Priest are also pushing 70 and they're still kicking ass and actually playing heavy metal
King Diamond is still performing
Scorpions are still going, for almost 60 years by now, Klaus Meine is freakin 75
Nah, the insane thing is that Ozzy is still alive after how much coke he did.
honestly, not that suprising. i figure after a while the bad effects overflow and loop around to granting extra life. this is perfectly par for the course. might even make it to 100
Blue oyster cult are still great
young people don't want to work anymore
Meanwhile you get dudes who dress like office workers/IT nerds and they proceed to melt your face with heavy guitars and guttural screams.
Big Black
Songs About Fucking
edit to add one of the songs from the album live.
LOL tucked in tshirts and hip straps for their guitars.
Steve Albini did go on to produce/engineer some amazing music. He doesn't consider himself a producer and focuses on engineering. His list of credits is amazingly long.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Albini_discography#As_an_audio_engineer
That's basically the concept of Aggretsuko.
It's like a sub-variety of the Hayao Miyazaki/Junji Ito dynamic.
Is this an Okidy Dokily reference?
Those dudes are awesome.
Dead Kennedys (and most punk bands)
Eh
Not exact, but electric callboy.
Its a nice little stress reliever.
I think Bill Bailey made this joke about Slayer, but it's true of a lot of small, very loud bands going "AAAAAGAGGRAAGHHH INSAAGHAFGHH AAAAA! Thanks very much, it's really good of you come and see us"
Idk I don't think Slayer are exactly what I had in mind
Haven't a clue, but I can imagine I'm wrong. It's the disjoint between screaming and roaring as the act and being really nice in the chatter that I always found funny.
Heaven Shall Burn always look like they just stepped out of a board meeting
See my only experience of Heaven Shall Burn is their Valhalla music video (their cover slaps by the way holy shit) so I'm going to take your word for it that getting merked by wizards isn't a regular occurence for them
Yeah, I think Lorna Shore also fits this lmao. Will just looks like a dude™️ and then process to summon an entire hellish army
weezer
I'm glad more people are noticing that Kiss 100% DOES NOT fit their aethstetic AT ALL
My shitty phone apparently doesn't know the word ascetic :(
aesthetic, dear <3
Why would I want to go to sleep????
you're thinking of anesthetic, im talking abt those who live in abstinence for religious purposes
you're thinking of ascetic, you're talking about people who have a condition that makes it difficult to breathe
that's asthmatic, im thinking of the study of genes and heredity in organisms
That's genetics. I'm thinking of the word used to describe being fast and energetic in a wild or uncontrolled way
that's ecstatic, i'm thinking of substances with a pH lower than 7
That’s acidic. I think you mean to refer to a person not showing side effects of a disease.
That's asymptomatic, I think you mean people who have lost their memories
Ooohh, it isn't though :(
Frenetic?
saying "Dear" with a heart means that I'm officially now shipping you and /u/TransLox
congratulations on your (future) marriage.
TBF, you have seen Peter Criss' kitty makeup. They weren't all hard 😾
Seriously, Gene Simmons was the only one whose outfit may have been more metal than glam.
Yup. People are really misunderstanding what Kiss was about.
- Starchild
- Space man
- Cat
- Demon
That's 1 out of 4 that went for a "dark" character.
They were glam rock that leaned more into Rock than Pop like other glam bands were doing.
Comparing them to 80s death metal is insane.
I was under the impression that the aesthetic kinda formed after the band.
Seriously; they've been doing their thing since bloody 1973, with basically the same aesthetic then as they have now (They had variations in between mind you, without the makeup). They don't quite predate the entirety of the heavy metal (Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Led Zeppelin, etc) but they do largely predate the association of heavy metal with that aesthetic.
Reminder that in the early days Black Sabbath looked like a bunch of god damned hippies , Judas Priest like some leather daddy bikers.
KISS invented the aesthetic that other harder metal bands that followed ran with.
People seem to not understand that "Heavy Metal" is NOT "Death Metal".
Yes, some heavy metal songs from the early days went hard, but they were mostly what we would call 70s Rock.
Black Sabbath's first album is basically just blues jams and a little weirdness on the title track + N I.B. They were like a weirdo crappy Allman Brothers with Duane.
While they became legendary with Paranoid, they certainly didn't start that way.
My point is KISS, like everybody, was just making it up as they went.
ozzy is like fifty fifty
I have to disagree. Ozzy's aesthetic and music are, by virtue of being Ozzy's, metal.
Iommi's too.
Ozzy did go in a weird direction after losing Randy Rhoads, though. That white sequins and tassels outfit from his late ‘80s/early ‘90s stuff is aggressively country and the music went way towards stadium rock at the same time.
He just had an un-metal phase, that’s all
I am fairly certain their aesthetic predates the corpse paint.
Because the old women who used to be the young women they wanted to bang didn't like the kind of music that would have matched their aesthetic.
today’s vibe sure, but their music wasn’t made for today
Didn't Gene Simmons say that Kiss was meant to just make fun music and not to be taken too seriously? They changed lineups a gazillion times too.
Kiss is a merchandising brand with a band.
Most bands want to be The Beatles. KISS wants to be Coke.
and it worked.
You're saying the Kiss Kasket isn't just something they were passionate about and was just for them to make money off of dead people?
I'm pretty sure he said it was to get women.
That's definitely what Stiffler said in Role Models
Meanwhile Will Ramos looks like your average tiktok SoundCloud rapper and screams like a boar getting its face shoved into a blender.
And acts like the bubbliest golden retriever, right until the pig squeals start.
cough cough Ghost cough cough
Not saying this is a bad thing, mind you...
Scooby Doo joke goes here
you say that, but kiss was literally in a scooby doo movie
And Family Guy! And, KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park.🥴🤢🤮😵
And The Fairly Odd Parents!
Side note: I actually liked Phantom of the Park
From the pinnacle to the pit has a riff that literally sounds like a cartoon intro for Spider-Man
i listened to one of their albums and was really disappointed by how little it sounded like scooby doo
that depends on what album you listen to tbh
Ghost is more melodic than the goth Beatles
Is this a reference to their awesome minor-key cover of Here Comes the Sun?
ghost has its own aesthetic, they're not blood murder urgh satanism, they're deep state high-society satanism. the suits and shiny masks and elaborate evil getups fit with the sound way better than they would any extreme metal
Some of y'all never listened to Infestissumam
I absolutely love Ghost and this is 100% true
Metal music for people who hate Metal
I like metal and I like Ghost.
Sometimes I want metal, sometimes I want Ghost.
And sometimes I listen to Internet Yamero on a loop for six hours while staring at the wall.
Real
Stop gatekeeping metal
“I was made for loving you baby. And you were made for loving me.”
audience nods along dutifully
Gene Simmons: "We're all gonna wear corpse paint."
Paul Stanley: "I wanna do a star!"
Ace Frehley: "I wanna do glitter!"
Peter Criss: "I'M A KITTY!"
Gene Simmons: (facepalm) "Whatever. Paul, let's get to work; I'm late for admiring myself in the mirror. Ace, Peter, why don't you guys go outside and play Chase the Jew?"
What in tarnation?
Twitter OP (OOOP?) is a huge Rum Tum Tugger fan.
They met Scooby Doo !!!!!!!
Well correct if I'm wrong but weren't kiss along it like king diamond among the first to actually use the corpse paint thing?
KISS was a good few years before King Diamond as far as I can tell.
I think they were the first band to fully commit to it as their public personas. Or at least they were the first band to be somewhat commercially successful with it. Alice Cooper was similar, but not full face, just heavy heavy makeup around the eyes, from the photos I've seen.
Arthur Brown bet em to it.
I remember first realizing this. I knew fairly well who KISS was for years, but had no clue what their music sounded like. Unbeknownst to me I also knew some of their songs fairly well.
When I learned those songs were by Kiss I was extremely confused.
More like Ghost imo
KISS isn't wearing corpse paint, they're wearing Kabuki makeup inspired by Japanese theater.
Corpse Paint is different and arose out of the Norwegian Black Metal scene in the 90s.
Kiss inspired King Diamond which was definitely corpse paint before the black metal scene.
King Diamond is definitely more like corpse paint than KISS is for sure. That said it still resembles the Kabuki style more than what comes later. He's not styling himself to specifically resemble dead person most of the time.
Digging into the history more, the Brazilian band Sarcófago is widely considered to be the first band to use Corpse Paint (and they are considered old-school/proto black metal) and they were a big influence on the Norwegian scene.
make me think of the group in the intro of Brütal Legend
Are the knights in Satan's service in the room with us now?
Also remember that Elvis was obscene for dancing like this
So? The music is still cool.
You gotta understand, just 15-20 years earlier Elvis caused controversy just by dancing with his hips. To the people of that era that was some pretty heavy stuff. Maybe not the most hardcore shit available but enough to make your parents worry about your generation
This is what "you'll get more conservative as you get older" actually means: what was radical yesterday becomes mainstream and tame today.
Famous American Gay Rock Band?
When I was in high school and first listened to a Kiss cd, I had to double check to make sure it was the right one because I really thought the music would go harder. I still like the music, but it's such an odd combination of aesthetic and sound.
"We're gonna name our band The Killers, and then we're gonna make nice radio-friendly indie-rock."
in fairness they did actually have songs about murdering a lover
Gonna show this post to my dad
GWAR
it was the 70s
What people don’t want to admit is that Ghost is this today.
Yea but show me another heavy metal band that has solved mysteries with the scooby gang.
Touche
My experience with the band ghost. I saw gifsets of them performing and I was expecting metal. Imagine my surprise when it was just Christian rock with some satanic influence and organ music.
Wait a minute... is Ghost just modern Kiss?
I love them to pieces, but they look freaky and lean into the satanic theme, yet produce what I've seen affectionately described as "Scooby-Doo chase music."
When I introduced my dad to Ghost he compared them to the “second coming” of KISS lol
Kiss is just the Insane Clown Posse for the Boomer generation.
This might be the first godawful take I've seen hit the fp from this sub.
I will never claim any band should be universally loved. If you don't like their music, that is totally fine.
But KISS was a rock band that was formed 10 years before death metal existed. If you're not cherry picking their lightest stuff, then they are right in line with other rock bands from the time. Led Zepplin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, Van Halen, Judas Priest, Motley Crue, Poison.
I always found it funny that the band with a member that had the stage name ‘the demon’ made one of the greatest ever love songs.
I think folks forget that 70s/80s death heavy metal wasn't all that metal by today's standards? Consider Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper -- KISS was maybe the most accessible and cartoon-ish of the bunch but not entirely far from that category.
did you call these bands death metal
Forgive me -- heavy metal, not death metal.
And no, I wouldn't by today's standards, but they were some of the hardest stuff going at the time.
Death metal didn't get going until the late 80s/90s
Yeah, just a few years before KISS, The Rolling Stones were advertised as the 'hardest band in the world'. Different times, different standards.
That one I’ll defend, since they were just talking about Keith Richards’ nightly narcotics intake.
Ok, but is there an opposite?
Archspire: look like a bunch of dads (beer bellies, baldness and all), act like the nicest dudes that you'd share a beer with, also one of the most technical and interesting death metal bands with lyrics about horrors that wouldn't seem out of place in a Stephen King's novel or a Lovecraft's story, but most importantly - never take themselves too seriously, goofing around and being great dudes
Now show me reversed thing of it
I have never listened to Kiss but this is pretty dissapointing. Almost ruins the Kiss/Scooby Doo crossover
Who the fuck thins Kiss is Metal, they've always been glam rock.
Kiss’s aesthetic is just goth-flavored glam rock. One of them has his face painted like a kitty cat. “Badass evil” is really stretching it.