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Kowalski, japanify!
'The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.'
they aren't uglifying them, they're the writers/game designers self inserts, that's why they're ugly
googles mary Jane in spiderman 2
Yep
Got myself banned from a few subreddits for bringing that one up lol
By the “woke” or the “anti-woke” 😂
Eh they’ve also uglified the models they’re basing the characters on
"Excuse me fellow ladies who are also auditioning to be models, I have to adjust my balls to prevent chafing. We ladies and totally not dudes need to take care of our balls. Did I mention I am a woman."
Have I missed some game that's coming out? I have no idea who that is.
This is Johanna Dark, the main character of the N64 classic Perfect Dark developed by Rare in 2000 and the franchise of the same name (another game was released on Xbox 360). The game was the spiritual successor of GoldenEye and was, for the time, really amazing.
A reveal trailer was showcased a few weeks ago for a new game in the franchise, some people are complaining that the new character model doesn't respect the old ones, others are arguing with them, most just care about the gameplay and the overall quality of the game.
Oh OK, I never play those games, never really have those older consoles.
I think she looks fine, more on the androgynous side, but she's still good-looking, this doesn't seem to be a fable type situation.
The culture-war is getting out of hand, by all sides involved, the only winners are the devs and big studios for which "two" groups (anti/ against anti) do generate free advertising while moving the goalpost from the criticism of gameplay, storytelling and economic models.
Regarding gaming, the N64 was one of the best systems ever, Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Rogue Squadron, F-Zero X and Mario Kart are still games I play today, their OST still on my playlists.
Idk man, the woke devs seem to be only losing, the coomer devs are the only ones benefiting from this sexiness war
I don't know, a week ago Game Rant published that Apex Legends earned $3.4 billion to EA, I remember that Hogwarts Legacy sold very well and Baldur's Gate III might be the most acclaimed game ever. If a game is good or respects the licence it will succeed (most of the time).
It's a detail but "sexiness" is only one topic related to the Culture War. Once again, I'm only arguing about the fact that this overall argument is harming our ability to criticize games, as pieces of art and playful products (same for movies and TV shows).
It's a negative-sum game for gamers / art amateurs.
All games you mentioned aren't woke, idk what you are trying to say, none of these games uglified their characters on purpose
Woke is a political slang adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights.
Apex includes a transexual protagonist, many LGBT characters, p.o.c representing many diverse communities, and actively advertises against racism, sexism and homophobia.
I didn't play Hogwarts but understand it includes many of those concepts.
Baldur's Gate III is a game that makes a noticeable effort to showcase many of the social thematics listed above via its characters, playable or not, its quests and its overall political plot. I believe it is an extremely well crafted game that tackles current day issues in a flawless way while keeping the coherence of the universe. The first zone of the game literally discusses migrants, racism and communitarianism.
Those woke devs still sell enough copies to make profit not to mention sponsorships and free advertisement they get off people complaining.
That's why they able to afford to make shit games, because they don't losse.
In these past 4 years, how many woke dev games did well? I can only think of like 2 and one if them is not even woke woke(Baldurs gate 3) because the characters weren't ugly.
Cyberpunk, Last of Us 2, AC Vahalla, Spiderman MM, Cod, FC6, HFW some of these games are horrible and all these game got called woke, they all sold well and devs made money.
I also love how u say BG3 isn't woke because they don't have ugly characters but woke doesn't even mean that indicating u have no fucking clue what your talking about.
Cyberpunk is not woke,cod is not a story or characters game so idk how it can be woke, Ac Valhalla is not woke, I can't speak on fc6 and idk what HFW stands for, BG3 is not woke yes, woke is when the devs ignore making good games/characters in order to virtue signal or to include the "opressed " and spread the weird real life shit that takes you out of the game, having lgbt characters or female main leads is not woke, you probably don't know what woke stands for
She's okay I suppose. The previous perfect dark games tried to do the hot route like Lara Croft, so it is clear that they are deviating from that original idea. That said I'm not sure how successful the first sequel was from the original, so maybe they are just trying to go another route.
Also I just looked at pictures of the character, and I'm pretty sure the chin that people may be talking about is definitely from another photo than the one they showed. She definitely looks like Chinnius Maximus in the bottom angle pictures.
See the entire thing about this is, no one actually cares.
If you're game is good then people will play it. If your game is bad people won't play it. That's how simple this is.
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Agreed. The logic behind let’s appeal to 1-4% of the human population is wildness.
Crazy that these transparently bigoted posts get upvoted here. Just more proof this is a right wing political subreddit
It always has been. When people make their personalities around being dumb, uncurious gamer-bros it’s inevitable their audience will be composed of a bunch of 12-17yo edgy kids, and edgy adults who never developed.
Are the trannies in the room with us right now? (Yes, we are)
Still got a long way to go to get on the same level as right wing agendas.
what do you mean
What do you mean what do you mean?
- Deregulation and gifting corporations the country.
- Banning abortion.
- Banning gay marriage.
- Criminalisation of marijuana.
- Endless war.
- Book banning.
- Supporting massive polluters to own the libs.
- Resistance to any gun laws.
- Forcing Christian beliefs.
- For profit prisons.
I don’t like this shit about anyone who dislikes crappy media is suddenly transphobic. That is shit. But if we’re going to talk about “the disgusting left” let’s put it in perspective. Wide chins is pretty low on the list of priorities unless you’re some weeb teen that feels the world owes them a spank bank.
most of that shit is up to individual states to decide on, but two points i wanna touch on.....one, Trump didn't start any wars and is actually the guy campaigning on peace and two, fuck gun laws, 2A is pretty clear and I can read
even if it’s up to the states, there’s no possible way you couldn’t agree that it’s right wing agenda. majority, if not all, of those states are red. are they not? when it comes to war, the US has been involved in war/conflict for 220+ years. we’ve only been around for 248. not sure if that’s a party problem, but it’s definitely a problem.
>Trump didn't start any wars and is actually the guy campaigning on peace
im not sure if its a party problem, but its definitely a problem.
reading is fundamental.
Trump significantly increased the number of drone strikes and Biden has reduced it. Trump assassinated an Iranian general and tried to do a coup in Venezuela.
What wars has Biden started?
I’m sorry, are chins now federally regulated? The point is that it is the right wing pushing this shit.
And “fuck guns laws”is such a fucking stupid thing today. Sure, instead of having even the most basic of checks let’s just let more people die. Solid work, dipshit.
if you're worried about other people, then carry for protection
Brain dead take. Look what Australia did with gun laws. And nobody is saying take away all guns. Just maybe have some laws that ensure you know how to use them and store them correctly.
Yeah cause wars just start spontaneously and have no buildup, planning, or extraneous factors. Are you going to praise Herbert Hoover for not having World War 2 happen under his presidency?
Trump assassinated an Iranian general and significantly increased drone strikes. He also tried to do a coup in Venezuela that failed. He increased support for Saudi Arabia’s war on Yemen, where Biden reduced it. Trump and his son have taken literally billions from the saudis since btw
Biden pulled out of Afghanistan and has also started zero wars. Biden also significantly reduced the number of drone strikes
Re: Deregulation and presidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act
Endless war is just an american thing in general. Both parties love the military industrial complex and bullying the 3rd world to get what they want.
Doesn't matter who's in power you guys wanna be fighting someone, even yourselves.
I did the math a while ago. The U.S. has had 22 non-continuous years of peace since it was founded.
As far as book banning:
I can't go buy and read The Turner Diaries for intellectual purposes because it's fully illegal in my country.
I hear your point even though a few of those on the list aren’t limited to “the right” as far as government goes. And abortion’s not banned in totality; it’s up to individual states and their voters. The main pushback I’ll give is 90% of our media already focuses on how bad “the right” is; so to act like complaints about the left is done so on the fringe essentially.
And the guns point…I’d argue those same type of politicians pushing more gun restrictions are the same ones pushing perpetual wars. Surely you don’t trust them to tell citizens what they should do regarding firearms?
Again I’m not looking at politicians. I’m looking what people want. People on the far left want masculine female heroes for some fucking dumbass reason. I’m sure they are well meaning in their own idiot brains.
Just like I’m sure the people on the right calling to ban books on evolution also genuinely wanted to help people. It’s just that they are both beyond redemption and complete imbeciles.
If the population were just a tiny bit more reasonable we wouldn’t get this shit. As much as we want to blame politicians, we get the governments we deserve.
I'm not a conservative by any stretch but how can you not see how democrats have been involved in a majority of these? For example 1,4,5,7,10 are American staples regardless of which party is president. And 3, I recall Hillary was against gay marriage for most of her career just to name an example.
Because I’m not looking at party lines. There’s no “leftists” in high positions of government. Biden is pretty much just left of centre.
This agenda of masculinising video game characters isn’t a political push, it’s a social one. By “leftists”. And it’s stupid.
But book banning and pushing Christianity is from the right, among those others. No leftists are against gay marriage. Only conservatives.
Again, I’m not defending this stance or any of that shit. But to state that the country sucks because of disgusting leftists misses out more than half of why the country sucks.
1950s Republicans were the last time the country was properly sane. Since then nearly everyone has become a fucking dumbass.
Endless war.
Leftists are funneling infinite tax payer money to Ukraine.
Book banning.
Who censored Dr. Seuss and Roald Dahl again?
Supporting massive polluters to own the libs.
Libs are supporting China and India's record pollution to own the cons.
Forcing Christian beliefs.
Anti-Christian beliefs are being forced more than anything.
Another brain dead take.
I accept your concession.
3 lies and a false equivalence are not worth arguing against. But you live in your fantasy world, champ.
Right left right left… fools
They guy is burnt man he cooked too long throw him away
I think people care about shit like this a bit too much! but oh well it is within their right i guess!
Who are you shouting at?
Bro she even has the androgynous make up eyes lmao.
Who cares? How's the game?
Arguments on twitter, by twitter, for twitter. No real human gives a shit about fucking chin structure lmfao
I just think she looks horrible. Not sure about the agenda. But I have noticed that lead females aren't as pretty as they used to be. It's like they're afraid to make women characters pretty.
'Allegedly', a developer had character designs submitted where it starts off as pretty and end product is uglified.
Margot Robbie, Keira Knightly, Brooke Shields(current+young) have similar chins and they’re all known for their beauty. Lot of people are just deluding themselves into this overreaction to push their agenda
Margot Robbie, Keira Knightly,
They both have heart shaped faces, not the square jawed broad chinned look of Joanna Dark in this reboot game.
I looked them up and they definitely have defined square jaws to me
I thought it was a guy character from a jrpg until I saw it was Perfect Dark.
They're not exactly ugly, they're forgettable. Look at the characters from Death Stranding, the complete opposite.
If you think this is ugly, you are chronically online.
If this came out 20 years ago nobody would look and complain but these days people are hyper focused on these things
She looks almost androgynous.
I like good looking protagonists in video games, it’s that simple
The woke chin?? Come on guys. It's getting stupid at this point.
This is unhinged, not surprised that a good amount of the chatters here think it’s a good point
The transgender Agenda 😂😂😂😂😂
Are there people actually believing this?
This sub and other communities yeah, in real world? Absolutely no fucking one.
There were legit stories from devs how character development were forcing changes to make the women uglier. Seems to be some dog eat dog going on as well.
Look how many up votes some of the posts in this thread have. These people need therapy
Yes it's not like there's ''counseling companies'' to see if your game is inclusive that then will proceed to blackmail you if you don't put a trans fagasaur in your prehistoric game to help with representation, by using their media outlets to accuse of phobic or ist.
Who is that character
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I she really that ugly?
Not me thinking this was Jesse Faden and Control 2 was finally coming out
I personally like the new design. Seems more realistic and, overall, pretty beautfiul.
But I can't argue that they DID purposely change her to be more masculine. And I can't argue that it's a trend.
This case is just a more merciful application.
It’s a common dude? Not wearing a helmet, so a side character or something.
imagine constantly being triggered by the culture wars. imagine constantly trying to be on the right side of history. imagine thinking you have to participate in this bullshit all the time. fuck me for participating right now.
There is nothing wrong with making characters pretty and handsome, feminine (for female characters), what’s the point of trying to appeal to the minority of people who started complaining about “male gaze” etc? This was never an issue until the last few years, when the ever-complainers got behind social media accounts.
Don't wanna be that guy, but I'll be that guy.
This sounds REALLY gay.
Have they ever considered, that maybe if the character isnt supposed to be trans, that we say fuck any community that bitches? If you want trans characters then make new ones. Want a black character? Make a new one. Same for hispanic, gay whatever. Stop changing existing characters for your nazi-esque beliefs. If nothing is okay unless its like you, then congrats, your a fuckin nazi and you cant hide it
So what are they basing her look on. Last time I saw Joanna Dark was on the N64. Her head was literally like a box. She looks fine to me🤷🏿♂️. I guess I get outside enough to where these kind of things don't offend me. It was embarrassing being a gamer and seeing grown adults get mad at swimsuit in a game and removing graffiti of a wall. Now a jawline has something to do with a "Trans agenda"?🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
Ah yes the trans agenda… I’m leaking whats on it: elder scrolls 6 will let you pick pronouns and the mulan remake that is coming will have mulan as female-to-male. This is inside info from my tgirlie friends guys.
I've only seen incels online complain about it.
There's a lot of women on YouTube who also complained. Stop being a pick me boy
i've also seen way more people complaining about those that complained.
Women on youtube who make their living pandering to incels 🙄
It’s funny that people in this thread cry about pandering because it’s literally just someone other than them being pandered towards.
YUP. They think they’re apolitical and everyone else is forcing their views on them. The idea they are also political and are asking for their own views be pandered to is enough to make their brains self destruct
She looks fine... it's always a conspiracy theory or whatever nonsense.
If this is ugly then I have some terrible news for the vast majority of the population.
I don't get why we can't just get over ourselves with this shit. Like these women in video games and TV aren't ugly on purpose just because they aren't voluptuous and look exactly like Scarlet Johansen. Everyone gets so stirred up over these little problems like how character looks are changing with the times instead of how we're getting fucked up the ass with a 70 dollar price tag and a 10 dollar a month subscription and a battle pass and microtransactions. You're literally missing the forest for the trees and falling for a textbook media misdirect. I'm asking please you open you eyes for half a fucking second to see what's really going on besides "unga bunga woman look ugly caveman pee pee no hard"
They really love the us vs them mentality they can't seem to grasp that if we were less divided on stupid tops maybe we could actually get them to change grocery prices but nah the wokes are ruing games let's ignore that food keeps inflating non stop
I thinks it’s a “straw that broke the camels back” situation. People are generally fine with a 70$ price tag if the games good and pretty to look at, but lately games have been neither good nor pretty to look at , and thus the outrage. I did chuckle from your caveman peepee thing tho , that sounded funny in my head . Sex sells my friend sex sells
I appreciate it and yes sex definitely sells but with video games sex wasn't always what sold. It's not like tomb raider outsells mario bros because she has tiddy and Mario doesn't. It just feels like a losing battle at this point I guess.
If sex sells, why do you need it in a video game, though? I mean, literal porn exists. If people need to get off on a video game character, we'll we are doomed as a species. If this is the stupid hill, some people choose to die on. Idocracy in real time.
I of course am not meaning actual sex. Perhaps I am just showing my age with that saying so I will try to say it in another way. When you are making a product for a certain demographic , lets say males age 17+ as that is a video game rating of mature, it can help a product a lot my adding things that that age range enjoy. Overly attractive female characters are one of those things, so what my saying meant was that adding in things of that nature can help attract the customer base you are making you're game for.
I honestly can't tell what is satire anymore.
The trans agenda? Really?
The main issue is that her face is too... broad. In the original she was by no means hot (but also only like 15 polygons), but always feminine. The remasters definitely improved her look with better polygons and textures, and what you'd expect a badass girl secret agent to look like.
This is not. In the end, nobody really cares though... this is an FPS.
Who cares just don't buy this garbage
Argue all you want, but her chin wasn't even remotely that shape in the original game.
Can we be honest and just say we want sex objects as defined by masculine standards for a entertainment medium dominated by men?
And you may be tempted to say: "What about the unrealistic body proportions of male leads with this super jacked low body fat look that's also incredibly unrealistic?" Bad news: that's for men too.
Most women like men that look like a good father over someone whose jacked. They predominantly look at the broadness of the shoulders and the thickness of the forearms and a non aggressive posture with a stable life style. The bonus is the low fat content of the face and prominent jaw and cheek bones.
I'm not saying anythings wrong with it, far from it. Fantasies can be SUPER healthy psychologically, the reality is that people are having conversations about this at cross purposes.
She's definitely not as attractive as she was in perfect dark zero but its whatever ill still play it.
Holy shit, somebody finally said it! This is the exact reason they’re making characters uglier
Edit: I’ll be surprised if this doesn’t get locked
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She need that Japanese beam