This is very similar to my one and only time having a psychosis episode. I thought jail was hell. I posted my experience in this thread.

I was coming off phenibut cold turkey (15 gpd) and was arrested for a warrant. While being transported with another person to the county jail, I looked over at the other dude and saw him take out a burrito-sized heroin sack from his rectum. He attempted to hand it to me best he could, but since we were both cuffed, it fell on the floor. I tried bringing it over to my side of the car with my foot only for it to rip and spread black tar heroin all over the backseat floor. I tried my best to "hide" it by spreading it across the floor. It was probably a half pound. When I arrived at the jail, I realized I had actually died and gone to hell. I was in the second circle, but kept acting up and eventually had to be moved to the seventh circle where I shared a space with a giant blue animated bull. I was hogtied by deputies and as punishment, I was to be sodomized by that same bull. For all eternity. I was however offered a second chance if I could accurately sing the lyrics to various 90's songs by contemporary Christian bands (DC Talk, Newsboys, Jars of Clay) which I nailed. I was let go only to find my city had become a post-apocalyptic landscape following a MAGA revolt. I then became hunted by my brother-in-law and various other ultra-nationalist paramilitaries. The giant animated sodomizing bull from before would then show up and become what I can only describe as a sort of "ghost of Christmas past" taking me in and out of alternate realities and trying to teach me valuable lessons. His voice sounded like Dave Chappelle.

In real life however, I was taken from the jail to the hospital and was out for maybe 4 days so that I could stabilize. The part in my psychosis narrative where I was released for knowing all the Christian songs, and after, was all a dream. The whole experience however felt like a single episode.

Don't use phenibut.

I live in Southern California in a lower income area and this has started to happen as well and it's infuriating. What pisses me off the most is they spent most of last year remodeling the whole store and installing like 20+ self check out stalls while only keeping maybe 10 normal lines. Well it's not even April of this year and they have closed down all, but 2 of the self check out lines and it's an absolute shit show now waiting in line to check out.

I thought there was something wrong with the app. I'd clear the cache and restart my phone and nothing would change. It's driving me crazy. I feel like the same thing is happening on Instagram shorts where every 10th video is an OF chick peddling her content and no matter how much I click "not interested", they keep popping up.

If you can taper then do it. My quitting story after around 6 months and 12-15gpd, I suddenly stopped and went into a gnarly psychosis. Those are never good. Good luck!

My advice is to prepare for possible mental withdrawal symptoms like auditory/visual hallucinations and possible psychosis. I know you're getting meds to help with that, but those symptoms are still possible. Good luck!

I was always told, "You'll either die, end up in jail, or find a way to stay sober/clean". This isn't me advocating for a certain recovery community, it's just a simple way to look at the problem. I truly believe that someone will find whatever means necessary to get/remain sober. That might involve you losing everything. Losing everything isn't necessary, but rock bottom is whenever you decide to put down the shovel.

I'll never be able to look at you the same now in real life. Sorry if I act awkward.

15gpd was my usual dose for around 6 months. Circumstances forced me to quit cold turkey and it slowly turned into the worst experience of my life. I had a lot of extra gabapentin which made physical symptoms of withdrawal nearly non-existent BUT, I couldn't sleep. After 48 hours I began experiencing mild auditory hallucinations. It mostly sounded like there was a group of people talking outside my door constantly. I sleep with ear plugs in and a white noise machine running. The sounds began to be indistinguishable which frightened me. Soon the voices moved to my head which made me scared to attempt sleep which worsened my insomnia. After 72 hours, i began slipping into a state of psychosis with massive visual hallucinations and anxiety. I felt constantly on the verge of a seizure with my extremities seizing up and locking in weird positions. I then experienced a traumatic instance that sent me into full psychosis. Just massive visual hallucinations, panic, anxiety, and fear. I won't go into detail about the circumstances of that instance, but it culminated with me ending up in a hospital out cold for 4-5 days with brief glimpses into reality when nurses would come to check on me. I had the most terrifying uninterrupted dream sequences that I could not wake from which led me to believe I had died and gone to hell. No bueno. I would suggest tapering. I don't know how to explain it, but there is something I would describe as spiritually devious about Phenibut.

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Totally could. Like all drugs, there are many factors involved in the withdrawal process. I've seen posts of other people using maybe half my amount and still having similar results. I did manage to stop. I was arrested for a warrant in another state that I wasn't aware of and started to deteriorate during the arresting and holding process. Just MASSIVE hallucinations that terrified me. I thought I had died and the jail was hell. I don't remember anything during that time. Just bits and pieces of terrifying hallucinations. I guess they had to send me to the hospital where I was out for several days. That was basically my detox before sending me back to jail to await extradition. Also, I have ZERO history of mental illness.

I'm a recovering heroin/opioid addict and have quit cold turkey several times. I had a bad phenibut habit for 6 months taking well over 10 gpd and IMO, phenibut withdrawal is far worse. I stopped taking it suddenly when my shipment was delayed. I had a lot of extra gabapentin and was popping them like candy which made for very little physical discomfort, however I wasn't able to sleep for over 72 hours. My body started to randomly seize up as if I was constantly on the brink of a seizure. I had auditory and visual hallucinations (which made sleep impossible). After the fourth day, I went into a full psychosis and was out for another 5 days with the most disturbing and existential dreams I've ever had unable to wake myself. Bottom line, the psychosis that goes along with phenibut withdrawal is far more terrifying than the physical and mental cravings one might have with heroin withdrawal.

I'm not a Mormon nor an ex-Mormon so all my observations are anecdotal, but I wonder the same thing myself. I knew a lot of Mormons growing up. My best friend across the street was Mormon and he has an extremely low functioning autistic brother who eventually had to be put in a group home several years before he was an adult. I know a handful of other Mormon families that have autistic siblings. Correlation does not equal causation l, but it's interesting to think about. My mother and step father are retired special educators with decades of experience. They say there is still no real consensus on what causes autism. My first uneducated guess would be perhaps it's a result of polygamy with many children having the same father, but different mothers and the potential for inbreeding? Coupled with early Mormonism being such an insular and segregated community, I can presuppose that it has something to do with it.

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I was probably around ~16gpd for 4 months straight. I made the mistake of ordering during a holiday weekend and expected my new package to be delivered that Friday; it wouldn't be delivered until the following Tuesday (fuck Labor Day). I took my last dose that Friday and felt normal even until the following night. I have a large supply of gabapentin I get from my doctor which was being unused. I had never gone a day without Phenibut up until then and after reading horror stories about withdrawals, even at smaller doses, I knew I was in a world of hurt so I just took that gabapentin like it was candy. Over the course of the holiday weekend I don't recall feeling any physical discomfort. The only problem was I wasn't sleeping. The third day into the holiday weekend (Sunday), I started to have mild auditory and visual hallucinations. People were talking outside my door or saying my name; mirage-like effects when looking at my phone or reading. Still no physical discomfort though. By Monday I was pretty much on the brink. My muscles were seizing up and my extremities were locking into weird places which made me scared I was going to have seizures. I hadn't slept in over 72 hours and I was on the verge of massive panic attacks. I knew I would have my package delivered the next morning, but was too scared to even drive to the UPS store for fear of possibly harming someone or myself so I went in and told my parents what I had been taking and thought it smart to call an ambulance, but was instead greeted by sheriffs. I had lived in another state and had an out of state license which came back with a warrant and had to be arrested. I do not remember the next 7 days. I was told I had to be put in isolation and didn't even get through the booking process. I had gone into a full paranoid psychosis. I had a week long terrible dream that I had died and went to Hell and couldn't wake up which makes me think I had to be heavily sedated.

TLDR: At doses that high and from what I've read, if the taper doesn't work or you can't keep to it, medical attention will be required. This shit is no joke and this is coming from an ex-heroin addict that has gone through bad withdrawals.

Don't wanna freak you out, but there isn't any easy way around this stuff.

I just updated it now and after about 5 minutes everything on the screen becomes unresponsive.

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Liftmode is where I go. They were out of stock the week of the 4th, but restocked soon after. Like the previous person said, they show you proof of lab testing. Do some research and you'll see previous posts about those other vendors and their sketchy products.

I lived in Johnson County (KC metro area) for a few years and know what smoke shop you're talking about. I would get it from there on occasion. I moved back to Southern California and could not find it anywhere! I called maybe 50+ smoke shops within a 50 mile radius and none of them carried it. I woul ask "Do you carry a nootropic called phenibut?" None of them knew what it was and didn't even know what a "nootropic" was. I would have to repeat myself several times and then try to explain what it was. I lived in KC from 2018 till 2021 and when buying phenibut from that smoke shop, the dude never told me about what it is nor any of the risks associated with it. They had a lot of obscure nootropics too. All in these little light brown retort packages with the chemical compound pictures drawn onto them.

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Why don't we come back to my place and put on a little Belle & Sebastian?

I mean this in a non-sexual and non-creepy way, but you have one of the best racks I've ever seen. Another thing on top of you transformation to be proud of!

Yes please. And we can listen to Jawbreaker.