The problem is, you don't lose your license after one traffic violation.

It's also very rare to even get a fine for many violations. The graphs in this article show just how few traffic tickets are being issued for various violations in SF.

Sure, why not? I mean, it's already happened to Cruise

If you indicate that you'll continue to drive the same way and break the same rules (like, I dunno, an algorithm might), then a judge will likely determine that you're a danger to others and you'll lose your license.

Then where are all the examples of Waymo breaking the law from the tens of millions of autonomous miles they've driven? By your logic, they should be breaking the rules hundreds of times a day all day every day.

The answer is no, it's right there in the comment you're replying to

It's C.M.O T Dibbler!

There's no direct control, but you could add a stop halfway that takes you on the road you want, then delete the stop before you get there.

You forgot:

• Larry Page: ~44%
• Sergey Brin: ~42%

(Note: My source article says, For Larry Page and Sergey Brin below, the share numbers listed are actually class B shares, which are counted and valued based on if they were converted to class C shares. Because class B shares don't trade, they have no "market value.")

the kid had to sit in their seat for safety reasons. Regardless of whether that's the case or not

It's definitely for safety. Some unexpected turbulence could see that kid fling against the ceiling.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/21/severe-turbulence-london-to-singapore-flight

Passengers onboard the Singapore Airlines plane told of a “dramatic drop” that launched those not wearing a seatbelt into the cabin ceiling.

Looks like it followed a human driver who also drove through (though the human driver did a u-turn after the blocking car)

Greeeeeg the stop sign!
Greeeeeg the stop sign!

I've sat in a firefly, yes, there's one at the Computer History Museum near the google campus.

Even that's not really true, since Waymo had the firefly.

It's odd cause she's also riden in Waymo before, so it's not like she's unaware.

Actually, I think it's pretty common to install an airline's app just before taking a flight, then uninstalling it after. I imagine they have a pretty steady stream of new installs just from that (but also a very high rate of uninstalls... not sure how that affects the ranking)

That's just some random guy with no insight, he has no idea.

In this article from over 3 years ago, Waymo's former CEO said:

Let me paraphrase it like this: If we equip a Chrysler Pacifica Van or a Jaguar I-Pace with our sensors and computers, it costs no more than a moderately equipped Mercedes S-Class. So for the entire package, including the car - today

So that's closer to $150k. And that was three years ago.

I mean what numbers are you substituting for those?

2 pilots fly 400 passengers, the incremental cost saving of removing the pilot is quite small, compared with a taxi where it's closer to 1:1

How do you get that number?

The person you replied to quoted the base fare.

They seemed to be mostly talking about ADAS, rather than actual self-driving cars. Refering to things like how even though cars are getting safer, they're also getting more expensive. Things like, it used to be $100 to replace a side mirror, now it's $900 because of all the sensors and things in them (tell me about it, I had to replace the side mirror on my wife's car recently!)

FSD has no concept of minimal-safe condition. If something goes wrong, it just disengages at speed or worse, plows ahead unaware there's even a problem. That's totally unacceptable for a car with no driver in the driver's seat.

Waymo does not do remote control. They can remotely answer yes-or-no style questions, but the car remains in control at all times.

That's FSD, the safety report refers to autopilot.

No, everything is not the same except for one thing. It's not Teslas with autopilot vs Teslas without autopilot, it's Tesla's with autopilot engaged vs Teslas with autopilot not engaged.

Do people engage autopilot on city streets? Per mile driven, highways have far fewer accidents than city streets.

Do you think people are more likely to engage autopilot in the snow, or less likely? Or about the same? What about rain?

You can get an idea by looking at the Q1 vs Q3 numbers for crashes without autopilot engaged. Tesla performance about 2x as good in Q3 vs Q1. Why? Because of winter.

Do you think people in their 20s are more or less likely than people in their 40s to engage autopilot? What about people in their 80s?

Are new drivers more or less likely than experienced drivers to engage autopilot?

Are people more or less likely to engage autopilot at night?

Tesla knows the answer to these questions, but they don't account for it in their data.

Road type is the big one, but also age of vehicle, age of driver, weather conditions, road condition, I mean the list goes on.

No, that's not at all what they have done.

That does not, in any way, show that Tesla is 12 times safer than the average person. There is no attempt to normalize that data by vehicle type, age or condition, or driver age or road type or road condition. Or any of a dozen other variables that would come into play.

All that data shows is that driving on highways, like where autopilot is used, in an expensive new car is safer than driving the average car on the average road. Which is like... yeah of course.

The Waymo study, by contrast, goes to great lengths to control those variables I mentioned and actually compare like-to-like.