Currently live in Kansas City And there’s really only a couple of vegan restaurants here. Im looking for cities in the US that are LCOL, (currently spend about 1200 on rent here) somewhat walkable, and have more vegan options. The current list of cities I have now in no particular order is Minneapolis Chicago Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. I’ve heard these are relatively affordable and walkable but not sure about the quality of vegan restaurants there. Can anyone lament about the options in these cities or recommend any other cities that fit these criteria.
Seconding using happy cow. It helps me find vegan spots (I am in Chicago and there are abt 60-70 fully vegan restaurants on there, among many places w options) and I’ve went through the map a few times before calling all the vegan spots for jobs which has resulted in success before. I could eat all the back of house food :D
Their entire culture is meat.
yes it is lol
I love the vegan scene here in Philly. I can go to almost any restaurant and be sure that there will at least be a decent vegan option or at least a chef who is willing to accommodate and make something for me. There are loads of fully vegan restaurants and many restaurants with robust vegan menus. It’s mostly walkable depending on what neighborhood you live in. I don’t have a car and I walk, ride my bike or take the bus/train everywhere I need to go.
I second this to Philly! There's plentiful vegan options in almost every part of the city. Fully vegan coffee shops, bakeries and various cuisines of all sorts. And majority of non-vegan places have options, I'd say. It is quite walkable and easy to get arround.
Thirding Philly. Lots of vegan restaurants/options + can be very affordable depending on the neighborhood + has a very robust public transportation system (by American standards at least)
Philly all the way! I miss it for the vegan options and the gayborhood.
Also here to say Philly. Tons of vegan options, very walkable.
4 years vegan and 12 years vegetarian and I’m beyond impressed how much the city really embraced the vegan lifestyle. I remember reading an article about how much Philly shifted from being called One of the Most Unhealthy cities to a complete rebrand and how so many vegan restaurants opened and how many places started adopting Meatless Mondays and incorporating more vegan friendly menus. I moved away right around the pandemic and still miss all the great spots. So many great spots.
The OP will pay a lot more for rent though unless they get roommates
I live in a two bedroom house for 1500 I imagine they can find a 1br apartment for 1k or a roommate situation for much less.
If op wants vegan restaurants they will have to pay more rent than KC. Philly is a great value compared to the other big east coast cities. Baltimore would be cheaper, but has a smaller vegan scene
I live in Minneapolis. There are only a few fully vegan restaurants, but the vast majority of places in the city will have at least a couple options. If you go out to the suburbs you get suburb restaurants, which will not be as good about having vegan options. I assume that's the case most places.
I like living here a lot. I've lived in several different cities and didn't like anywhere else as much. It's cold in winter obviously, and our public transportation is only so-so. We have tons of bike paths if you want to bike places. Minneapolis is definitely cheaper than Chicago. Not sure how it compares to Philly and Pittsburgh.
We also have the Herbivorous Butcher, which has some of my favorite fake meats (albeit $$$.)
The immigrant population also means there’s great African and Southeast Asian food spots with vegan options, among other cultures! We moved here recently from DC, and I’m so glad we didn’t give up good Ethiopian food options in the move!
Have you been to Lulu EthioVegan? I've been wanting to check it out but haven't gotten to yet.
I have & liked it!! I liked the classic/traditionally vegan Ethiopian dishes there more than the mushroom tibs (they have that and a few other usually-meat dishes done vegan), but it’s nice they have options like that. I like their chili too, though it’s different from how I’d make it myself — it’s sort of sweet tasting?? but good IMO.
Cool! Definitely looking forward to trying it.
I thought it was good. One thing I noticed is that their portions seemed small. I probably could've eaten the 3 person platter by myself.
My friend and I went there for a concert about a year and a half ago (from Austin) and spent the weekend hitting vintage shops and vegan restaurants. Herbivorous butcher, a great soul food place, a kind of punk coffee house with great food, and a few others. Seems like it had a great vegan scene, at least at the time.
Sounds like you tried trio and hard times cafe. There are so many good vegan options in mpls, but I hear Philly is better and I've been impressed with Chicago.
My sister lives in Pittsburgh and they have a few good ones but I get the impression mpls is better.
I've been a vegan in Pittsburgh for 10+ years. We used to have a lot of good all vegan spots, but most of them closed. There is still Apteka,and Onion Maiden is great, but they closed temporarily and only do pop ups. You can definitely get good vegan food all over the city. Check out Vegan Pittsburgh
Austin is good, but we have lost a hell of a lot of places over the past few years.
That said, for me it's all about having great grocery stores. I cook my own meals +95% of the time.
It's better than ever right now. Still fewer options than a much bigger city like LA, NYC, or Chicago. No complaints though.
I travel to Tucson often for work and enjoy the vegan scene. A few fully vegan spots with many vegan-friendly places. Even coffee houses with vegan treats. And downtown and a bit beyond is fun and walkable.
Madison, WI is pretty vegan friendly. I have 4 vegan + 1 vegetarian restaurants within biking distance. Plus a lot of restaurants that have dedicated vegan menus.
LCOL though?
Similar cost of living to the 4 cities OP listed.
Columbus, OH was great for this. Could walk to multiple vegan spots where we were. Many more across the city. We left for other reasons (family in OC), but the food and cost of living were great
I second this. Nile vegan, seitan’s realm, 4th and state, lifestyle cafe, and a bunch more are all great.
Still get emails from Seitan’s realm and yearn for it! Also Woodhouse, Happy little treats, Ye’s, Willowbeez, the seasonal vegan popups hosted by the temple… I live in a vegan Mecca now but still miss those things! Highly underrated city for vegans
Lifestyle stated serving meat again a few years ago
Really? I’m looking at their menu online and I don’t see any meat (unfortunately they’re out of plant based eggs and are offering real eggs as a replacement on request, though).
I also went pretty recently and didn’t see anything, but idk. If they did that’s a shame.
Ok maybe not meat but there was a post about them dropping the full vegan menu. They may serve seafood as well idk.
Well that’s unfortunate.
Oh yes! I was in Columbus last year for a concert and really enjoyed the vibe and all the vegan food.
Columbus used to be good, but we lost a number of great vegan restaurants over the last few years.
Columbus is NOT WALKABLE. Great vegan scene though. Also cost of living is exploding so it won't be cheap for much longer
Columbus is walkable within neighborhoods. And since most desirable neighborhoods are connected to high street, you can take the Cota bus up and down high street for $2 on the Transit app
I live here. Sure, High St is "walkable" but my neighborhood that is not far from downtown doesn't even have sidewalks. I've taken the bus, the drivers are insane and you feel every single pothole. 30 minute headways and they're rarely on time
I do too. You just gotta know where to go. German Village, Italian Village, Clintonville, and Worthington are all walkable and have tons of vegan options.
If you use the transit app you can easily anticipate when the bus is arriving. And the drivers, idk, I’ve never had a demonstrably bad experience, especially when compared to Chicago, San Fran, etc
Those neighborhoods will be more expensive than KC, I guess not Clintonville but that's a big area. Walking distance from High St you have: Woodhouse & Seitan's Realm. Everything else pretty much requires a car to get to.
Pinellas County in Florida isn't horrible. If you don't mind the heat, beautiful weather most days. Not terribly walkable and public transport kinda sucks but I bike just about everywhere I need to. The grocery store is 5 minutes away by bike and I work 20 minutes away by bike. And the beach is 15 minutes away by bike. There's pinellas bike trail, druid trail, duke energy trail, all separated bike paths that span dozens of milee. You can get a decent one bedroom for 1200. The only time i use my car is to go to a distant mountain bike park (florida, notorious for it's mountains, amirite?)
It's in Tampa Bay which is a liberal enclave in conservative Florida which means more vegan restaurants than most of the state. And lots of natural food stores like Whole Foods, Sprouts and a few indie ones.
I've been to Philly a few times when I lived in NYC. Fairly walkable. Loved the vegan food scene, way better than Tampa Bay. But too cold for me.
Pinellas is the shit
Fuck yeah, dude. Lotus is weird as fuck but it's been one of my favorite restaurants.
Love me some Lotus. Good intentions and Golden Dinosaur, too
1200 for a one bedroom? Not bad. What part of Pinellas?
There's some in St Petersburg, Clearwater, Pinellas Park... There's a few areas around with rent like that.
I moved from Tampa for numerous reasons, cost of living being the biggest, but vegan restaurants were not one of them! I miss that so much.
I was going to mention tampa because so many fully vegan options but they all require driving. And the lowest rent I've seen is 1700 for a 1br 1ba apartment. And that's including as far north as spring hill, then land o lakes, Odessa, by usfы, and downtown tampa is much more expensive.
Man, I miss Golden Dinosaurs. Been to Gulfport last year for vacation, and GD was amazing.
Columbus, OH
I’ve heard Columbus is great for young professionals. Big city vibes with better then average col. Is it walkable, though?
Believe it or not- Las Vegas. There's a vegan restaurant for every type of cuisine, and most places offer vegan options. I've had vegan ramen, vegan chinese, vegan dim sum, vegan mexican, vegan texmex, vegan Italian, donuts, ice cream, burgers (even breakfast sandwiches with egg etc). There's also a massive vegan festival every Fall.
Vegas is pretty much the exact opposite of walkable though.
Chicago has plenty of fully vegan and vegan option restaurants. I had an amazing jackfruit torta just today when hitting up a bar/restaurant with a friend post-beach.
Chicago in general has to be one of the best cities in the US when it comes to being very large, having plenty of pleasantly walkable hoods (lots of parks too), having good public transit (gotta be second best after NY in US), being pretty affordable, having a plethora of daytime and nighttime activities/events, amazing waterfront, and being vegan-friendly.
For context: I have dirt cheap rent at $630 with two roomies and over 1500sq ft with 5 min walk to red line train + two buses, a five min walk to three major stores (target, Aldi, jewel), three music venues (one with many med-big artists) within 10-15 minute walk, 20 min to a large park/beach/bird sanctuary/lake front trail. $750-$1200 is more common range. I kinda lucked out. Regardless, Chicago is a great town, despite what some think.
Uptown? All the north-side Red Line neighborhoods seem so nice in their own ways, but it's all about being dense and close to the train (and the lake!).
Yep, Uptown! I might as well’ve given my actual address out with all the detail I added lol. I did initially look farther west toward Logan Square for that extra space, but couldn’t beat the convenience and price here. Whereabouts are you, if you don’t mind me asking?
Not in Chicago yet, but planning to move to Lakeview East this year. Uptown was another strong consideration for me.
Nice, love that area! I have a friend moving there in just a few weeks. Hope you enjoy living here as much as I have.
Portland is the only city that isn’t outrageously expensive and has actually really dope vegan options. It has other problems, but it’s a pretty chill place to live if you can hack the depressing weather.
Edit: Okay, it’s considered a MCOL city, not LCOL. I was weighing cost of living with vegan options, because it really excels in that respect.
Portland is quite expensive and is HCOL
It's pretty expensive compared to the Midwest.
Pdx isn’t low col though, especially if they want walkable
I'll be there in a week. Is there a must eat at vegan spot? I'm from NYC where there are tons of vegan options. TIA
My favorites:
Obon Shokudo - Vegan Japanese food. Really authentic, cool options like vegan okonomiyaki which id never been able to try before
Boxcar pizza, especially the Bianca. Some of the best vegan pizza I’ve ever had.
Ben and Esther’s - vegan Jewish style deli. Awesome bagel sandwiches
Chilango PDX - Some of the best tacos I’ve ever had and I live in California
Oh wow, thank you so much for this! Vegan Jewish style deli sounds amazing - as does everything else! I can't wait!
My pleasure! I lived there a year and miss it just for the vegan food haha
We have a Ben and Esther’s in San Diego and I don’t go to it enough. It was briefly open for dinner but went back to breakfast/lunch only which is a major bummer.
Just gonna add in Blackwater, Bye & Bye (vegan bar that serves all vegan foods, nothing crazy but I do find myself wanting their meatball sub whenever it gets a little chilly out) and Victoria Bar (not fully vegan, but more than half their menu is vegan and they do a vegan breakfast burrito - tbh I haven't found a replacement for Charlie's ever since they closed down, was the absolute vegan breakfast burrito GOAT)
Ben and Esther’s - vegan Jewish style deli.
I surprised this isn't more common in other cites like NYC or Montreal. I would love a vegan gefilte fish... 🤣
Doe Donuts is amazing.
Virtuous Pie pizza also rocks
Portland is such a food city that nearly every food cart and restaurant will have something you can eat. A lot of great places were mentioned already but I’ll add Kati, Thunderbird, Ice Queen, Blossoming Lotus, Petunia’s Pies & Pastries, Kate’s Ice Cream, and Virtuous Pie.
And some recs for non-vegan specific places with good vegan food: Jojo’s, Better Half, Kayo’s Ramen, Friendship Kitchen, Eem.
And if you can catch one of Plant-based Papi’s pop-ups, he’s incredible.
Mirisata for sure (sri lankan, worker-owned, tipless, try the soy curl "pork" dish), Mis Tacones (mexican; also the Mole Mole cart down the street is not fully vegan but has a bomb soy curl mole enchilada), Van Hanh (vietnamese), Doe Donuts (best donuts in town)
This would have been my exact list. Plus Box Car Pizza, DC Vegetarian, and Blackwater!
Nice! Thank you. I'll be there for 5 days and plan to eat out most of that time, so this is great to know. Mirisata sounds awesomeeee
My suggestions: Jade Rabbit (vegan Dim sum+, tasty and creative food and drink) Dirty Lettuce (vegan southern style comfort food) Yuan Su (vegan Chinese, old skool faves plus more exotic fare)
Van Hanh.
The only place I hit up every time I go through PDX.
Thank you! This is literally blocks from where I am staying!
Shoofly on Divison if you want a sweet treat while you are here.
Portland is expensive as hell what are you talking about
It is damn expensive in my experience, live in PDX, but worth it. Rent & groceries are especially high for what you get with the pay comparison.
Chicago is great, I’m in Milwaukee and it’s extremely vegan friendly as well, and way affordable, about 90mins away from Chicago driving.
90mins away from Chicago driving
Same travel time by train too! There's about 8 Amtrak trips per day, and you get to go directly from downtown to downtown without any concern for traffic or parking, and for almost a third of the cost of driving there.
But then youre stuck with Ohare, which absolutely sucks.
In Milwaukee? Nah we have MKE airport
Was referring to chicago. Just really, truly hate their airport after multiple bad experiences over the years. Have not been to MKE so no opinion there!
O’Hare is ugly and bloated, but you can truly go anywhere from there given how much of a hub it is. Also, accessible by blue line train, which is nice for folks without wheels
Chicago also has Midway, but O'Hare is quite a boon to the city since there's just so many flight options to so many places.
I'm pretty happy with the vegan scene in Hampton Roads, VA. At least in the cities on the southern end of the water. A couple vegan only establishments and lots of restaurants with good vegan options. We even have a lady we order vegan meal delivery from occasionally. PETA is headquartered here so maybe that helps.
I'd imagine COL is more expensive than KC but less than a lot of the cities listed on this thread.
The problem with Hampton Roads is the "somewhat walkable" part. Our cities are full of low density development, parking lots, stroads, and pretty dire public transportation. I'll be leaving soon for somewhere I can actually exist in a dignified way without a car.
There are areas that are walkable but they're more expensive for sure!
Came here to say I’m also a kc vegan! Sucks that this has to be the BBQ capital of the US or whatever… I second Chicago.
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I live in OC, it's not affordable here, but I'm blessed with at least one plant based option at most restaurants here. LA is vegan meca, but not affordable, either. If you seek a vegan community, LA is where it is. But the price of rent will probably kill you. Hopefully you can move here after the economy tanks. I don't know anyone in Cali that is thriving with 3k rent and low wages.
Oh, also nothing in California is walkable, but I've met quite a few carless people in LA that use the buses, metro and uber around when required. At least the nightlife is cool. And 10 million people means that there are literally thousands of vegans to date...versus a spot in mid America there would be like 5 vegans to date.
Culver City (LA) can be walkable and has a fuck ton of vegan spots. Also, shoutout OC!
Your handle is hilarious. :High five: to my fellow Cali vegan.
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I agree about affordability, but how is LA less walkable than Philly, Minneapolis, or really any US city that isn’t NYC or Chicago? Those two cities and LA are the only ones where you still have sidewalks and the ability to do most of your daily errands within a 20 minute walk, even in many of the outskirts. And transit time in LA is usually shorter than in NYC, with the exception of lower Manhattan (where nobody actually lives as a percentage of the population).
I think people who insist SoCal isn’t walkable either tend to be lifelong Californians who listen too much to Hollywood snobs and influencers, or transplants who never ever tried to get anywhere without a car in their old cities, and are only spouting buzzwords about LA. For affordability and walkability combined though, yes, I think Chicago is probably the only option.
And 10 million people means that there are literally thousands of vegans to date...
In what age group? Of what gender?
All ages, all genders, all sexual identities. The larger the city, the more vegans you will find. Especially in blue states.
Philly has a great vegan scene (lived there for 15 years until recently when I moved abroad) but you won’t be able to find an apartment to live alone for under 1200. You can sometimes find 2 bedrooms for 1500 (without utilities) but honestly, apartments in nice (safe) neighborhoods under 2k are becoming more and more scarce.
Again depending on the neighborhood Philly can be very walkable. I lived in south Philadelphia, specifically east passyunk, and it’s extremely walkable. I honestly didn’t have to leave my neighborhood for anything.
I stayed in Syracuse in Upstate NY when i was on a film shoot, and they had some great vegan places! Rent etc is pretty cheap up there
Syracuse is nearby some lovely natural landscapes, like the Adirondacks, Lake Erie or Watkins Glen. But as a student at the university, I felt the city itself was sad and poverty-stricken. There were a few places which tried to defy that vibe, but in general it felt like Detroit to me. Bankrupt ghost-town way past its hayday.
Downtown is lovely. There are some rougher areas, but there are some really nice areas too.
Everyone who likes Syracuse will point to the landscapes and the downtown. But what if I thought the downtown area was mostly a desolate dump? I swear the first time I saw that “city” during the day time my heart sank. THIS dump is where I have to live the next 4 years? It’s just a college town these days.
I live in LA. It's the same. There's TERRIBLE areas here. Whole city blocks that are tent cities. It was just a suggestion.
Austin, Texas has a TON of vegan options. I’ve been living here 5 years now and love the culture and food. If you live in Austin proper or downtown it’s not cheap at all. If you live in Pfugerville or some other city within 20 minutes, you get all the vegan food benefits with muchhhh cheaper rent.
second this, the vegan nom is so great
I live in NC in the triangle (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill) and the vegan community is pretty big. There are quite a few vegan restaurants and restaurants that aren't vegan will still have a lot of good options. If you have a roommate or two it's not expensive. I lived in Wake Forest for a few years with two roommates in a three bedroom house and my part of rent was like $700
Baltimore has a lot of good vegan options and is among the less expensive mid-size cities.
Geesh. I have ONE fully vegan restaurant where I live and they are only open for takeout at lunch...so I never go. LOL I looked up both Kansas Cities and they both have numerous.
Rochester NY has some of the best options I have seen. I live in a much larger city and wish we had a number of options.
I just bit the bullet and moved to LA. I'm broke but worth it. Eating so good.
I can’t believe no one has mentioned St. Louis! To be fair, not all neighborhoods are walkable, but we have an awesome and growing vegan food scene. Cost of living would be comparable to KC and definitely lower than Chicago.
Baltimore, MD
Baltimore! Huge, cheap apartments. In my neighborhood I can literally walk to three fully vegan restaurants within blocks.
What neighborhood is this?
Charles Village.
Looks like Chicago got majority of votes
What top cuisines are the one that you would want around you in a walkable distance? I have found that restaurants that don’t have a vegan item..from my experience…have been accommodating to veganize a dish for me upon request. In south Florida. No this area isn’t quite walkable in my neighborhood. Just trying to gauge what cuisine you’re into most. Xoxo
Minneapolis has some pretty great vegan stuff. A lot of the restaurants aren't completely vegan but the cities here have the best vegan options I've seen. A think a lot of the restaurants have decent pricing but everything in general is more expensive there. I live over an hour away from the cities and the price difference in things is crazy.
the vegan scene in louisville is growing and most restaurants have great vegan options. but it’s not walkable and our public transportation sucks. but it is cheap here
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Philly is your answer.
It's funny. My family just moved out of KC to a way smaller city and have actually had way more luck. Both when shopping and eating out. Crazy thr big cities are shrinking the availability
I used to live in a Pittsburgh suburb and I reckon you’ll be alright there. It’s been consistently ranked as one of the most livable cities. I quite like Pittsburgh. The reason I moved away was to guide in the Pacific Northwest, but even here an hour from Seattle I feel like I’m in a food desert
Ann Arbor, Michigan is lovely...lived here for 30 years and don't ever want to move. I recently visited Boulder, Colorado and was blown away by the vegan food options (especially at Shoshoni yoga retreat, which is a perfect spot for a weekend getaway, as all 3 meals a day are vegan and included)
Tucson, AZ
Portland, OR. Ask me how.
Ypsilanti Michigan has decent public transit and is pretty low COL, just make sure you find a place on the bus route and has a few good all vegan restaurants, with almost every restaurant has good vegan options.
"The fix" is great
KC has more vegan options than purplecow or even googling "vegan" in Google maps would lead you to believe
But to answer your question Denver
They said LCOL, Denver is anything but "Low cost of living". Rents are atrocious.
True, I guess it's a hard question as it seems the higher the cost of living the better quality and availability of vegan specialty shops. I wouldn't consider Chicago lcol.
What veg spots do you like in denver? Moved to the den/ noco region after living in nyc and have been mourning it for sure
I like City O city, watercourse, vegan van, voodoo donuts, bang up to the elephant.
IDK about going north my journeys usually take me through Denver along 70 or the springs along 24 (Santana's down by the springs)
Next level burger is on my list to try and now Somebody people based on the other comment
I wouldn't consider Chicago lcol.
It's not (anymore, in desirable areas), but considering it's like 75% of the experience of NYC for about 33% the cost (while being significantly cleaner), it's a great value proposition.
I love the fix but I think they’ve had a change in management. They don’t nearly have as many specials as they use to. Littlest bake shop is also a favorite but I tend to only like their lunch or brunch items because their baked goods are usually too dense. Mud pie is okay. I used to love Mattie’s foods when I first became vegan but I feel like they they still serve food truck quality food when I was expecting them to get better when they moved into their full fledged restaurant. Tree hugger kitchen is like the last thing you pick to eat out at when nothing else is open. To me they taste like a group of college kids making food in their dorm room. I’m pretty sure they use frozen cauliflower for their cauliflower wings and the vegan burger they use taste grainy or something. Whole harvest kitchen is new but I haven’t tried them yet.
I would like to recommend Blue Sushi Sake grill has like a half and half vegan menu, the corner Mexican food same deal and sweet emotion for ice cream
Denver is very hcol especially for what you get and the food scene is absolutely abysmal. There is one good vegan restaurant here and it’s expensive.
Curious as to which one you think is the "one"?
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I lived in Chicago for 8 years and it is a wonderful, walkable city. I moved about 4-5 years ago and from my recollection affordability is a bit mixed.
It was always real affordable for a giant relatively wealthy American city, but definitely not quite LCOL in the grand scheme of things.
I can’t exactly vouch for the vegan restaurants in specifics/depth because I wasn’t really vegan during my tenure, and, either way it may depend a little on where you live (big city, tons of neighborhoods).
I will say though that, broadly, there are sooooooo many restaurants, and definitely a number of vegan/vegetarian/vegan-option places. It’s really not hard to find any food type, period. There was a Kyrgyz restaurant within 10 minutes walk of me.
Last thing I will put out there is the Detroit/Ann Arbor area. Definitely less walkable than Chicago, and I can’t too speak much to affordability (Ann Arbor was so-so; I imagine Detroit is still pretty good) BUT the density of vegan restaurants is pretty surprising.
A2 had several really good vegan only restaurants right downtown and THE BEST pizza I’ve ever had (vegan or otherwise) is the vegan pizza at Grandma Bob’s in Detroit.
I’ve lived in Chicago, Ann Arbor, and Detroit. Ann Arbor is great but expensive and a bit slower (big ten college town vibes) while Detroit is larger and you can still find affordable rents. Detroit is very spread out and not super walkable, but they’re trying to change that. The city is doing some stuff to address public transit for a city that was built for automobiles. Detroit is a great city with wonderful people and culture. And one of the greatest farmers markets I’ve ever been to (Eastern Market).
Chicago is also amazing, and there are a lot of great vegan restaurants as well as vegan friendly places. It’s just a huge diverse city, and you can find anything there. I frequented a few traditional cuisine places that had vegan versions of their traditional plates. There are a couple completely vegan Asian style places I loved, as well as some local favorites like handlebar and ground control. Also pie pie my darling — folks go crazy over those cakes. My only problem with Chicago was that I have celiac, and a LOT of vegan options there relied on seitan. People love their vegan Italian beef there, lol.
Chicago is obviously a bit higher col than Detroit, but you get a lot for your money imo. Edited to clarify vegan Italian beef*
Right why do progressive places have to so expensive sometimes also why do they have to be so rude about your level of education too. We all want respect around here.
why do progressive places have to so expensive
Walkable dense cities with good transit and progressive politics are very desirable places to live, and unfortunately that makes them very expensive through competition and scarcity. We really need more cities in the US to densify and build metros, and the few that do exist need to keep building more housing and upzoning land.
also why do they have to be so rude about your level of education too. We all want respect around here.
Could you tell me more about your experience with this?
That makes sense as a lot of people want to live in Amsterdam because of the cycling infrastructure. Most places do not understand the value of multi-modal transportation.
I'm progressive myself but it really pisses me off when there is a section of the left that sees those without education as someone who doesn't matter and shouldn't be listened at all, that they deserve all the oppression, vitriol and hurt in the world even when they listen to the experts and make the correct decisions. How can get they act that way when there are barriers to getting education. Such as trauma, poverty, racism, sexism, xenophobia, casteism, transphobia and homophobia.
I get that experts on topics should be listened to first and foremost but show those who have valid experience some respect. Education doesn't always make someone right about absolutely everything as one can only specialize in one field. A Lawyer cant tell a doctor how to treat their patients the best way possible yet there are some who are arrogant enough to think that. Educated people can still be susceptible to propaganda. Education does not automatically make your right about everything as children in high school can sometimes act more mature than their parents especially when it pertains to them being the first to adopt the vegan philosophy. I can argue that I know more about ethics than a meat eater who has studied philosophy. They're smart and they have their points but they're still causing unnecessary suffering to the animals by their choices. The meat eaters in my family probably want to declare that I'm completely wrong about everything about animal rights just because I only have some college education while they have their bachelor or master even though they didn't have to face the same barriers as I did.
I have had people completely disregard my feelings and acted as rude as possible to me just because I don't have a bachelor degree and it sucks. I work hard too why is it so hard to show appreciation for the things I do for others. I would've gotten further in post secondary if I was properly supported and loved like the average kids but nah I had to be unlucky with many things.
I really just wish those condescending classist jerks would be shamed for acting this way in public and be forced to take a class about on how to act like a grown up and learn about what marginalized people have to deal with.
I personally 100% support education as it has enabled a great deal of advancements/discoveries and research has proven that getting a degree can lead to better choices such as living healthier (increased uptake of the whole foods plant based diet, less smoking and more exercise), having more upward mobility and more job satisfaction.
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HappyCow those places. I did that for KC just now, and fucking hell it's awful.