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Ive been addicted to and have quit several drugs . I'll give you my opinion.
As far as life improvement goes , nothing was as drastic as when I quit drinking. I wasn't noticing it but even drinking 3-4 times a week would literally have my brain turned to mush even of the days that I didn't drink . My impulse control was also non existent and I felt bloated and was always having stomach issues.
Quiting weed greatly improved my time management and paranoia. Weed was also making me forgetful. I'm glad I quit smoking weed but the positive effects were not as drastic as when I quit drinking.
I know a lot of that has to do with my ability to moderate alcohol consumption. I was the kind to have a beer or two at a dinner , and that would segway into me buying a twelve pack and proceeding to get shit faced. I know some people can just have 2 beers and go home without stopping to buy more but that wasn't me .
I agree with you that quitting drinking is the only thing that completelg changed my life by simply abstaining from it. I was just a complete mess of a human being who couldn't get anywhere, and it gives you the clariry to start doing that again when you stop.
I still can't beat the weed though. I'm so addicted to it I can't even sleep or eat properly without it. I managed 2 months of sobreity recently trying to use sleeping pills after I didn't sleep for the first month without it but I just woke up dehydrated after 4 hours or so and having to piss like a racehorse.
As for the original post I don't really like haggling over which substance is worse or better, it really is situational. It's not like I haven't seen jolly drunks vs. shitty paranoid stoners. It's really whatever and comes down to personal accountability.
If you tryna get off weed for real, try this: 1.) start smoking bowls if you don’t already. Less weed used, more work to clean and refill (you’re not gonna want to keep doing it) and it’s probably gonna hit a little harder than a joint depending on how you smoke. 2.) plan the day out so you have obligations. If you’re busy all day you won’t have time to set up for smoke until the end of the day, and the high hits 10x harder when you spark up after you get shit done. 3.) Work out or run. Physically exhaust yourself, preferably in the evening closer to when you go to sleep. This may just be personal experience, but the insomnia is no match for physical tiredness. Biggest thing though is to slowly wean the frequency and amount with each session. Smokin 1-3gs daily, multiple sessions? Start doing a single session a day. Lower the intake by 25% daily. Only thing I can say about the eating is don’t smoke to eat or you won’t eat unless you smoke. That shit make it taste good but as a chronic smoker myself the whole “music sounds better, food tastes better, showers feel better” stops happening after a while anyway
Ok your first 2 are good but on 3 bro I feel like Paggliachi because I get baked before I go for my 15 km trail runs that I do a few times a week and I still can't sleep sometimes. Plus my job is super physical. I'm kinda just a bit fucked man
Also I'm too addictive of a personaliry to wean; I gotta do cold turkey or nothing. Your advice is good if you're more disciplined than me with substances.
I’ll say this; true discipline is genuine determination. You may have the discipline to wean, but you probably don’t actually want to stop smoking yet. Understandable cause there are times where I know could benefit from not smoking, but rn I still smoke everyday because I shits been hard to handle this year.
Yeah that's pretty much it. I realised during my 2 month break awhile back that I just kept wanting to do it because same as you life just fucking sucks right now and I don't want to take reality without the crutch. So i just accepted I wasn't ready to deal with how hard and boring it was going to be for a long time.
Honestly I'm kinda on the same boat .
I don't crave alcohol at all. When I quit drinking I had alcohol I threw away and didn't think much of it .
THC I do crave. It was definitely hard to get off and it has been hard to stay off .
The last time I bought a pre roll, I didn't even feel relief. I just felt paranoid and guilty. So maybe I'm heading in the right direction.
As far as life impacts, yeah is going to be up to each person. For me , alcohol was turning into a slow suicide. I quit weed mostly to exercise will power and make myself more present , but I wouldn't say weed on itself has the negative impact alcohol has on me.
The last time I bought a pre roll, I didn't even feel relief. I just felt paranoid and guilty. So maybe I'm heading in the right direction.
The worst thing is that the last time I relapsed I felt the same way the first few times I smoked, but I still enjoyed the rush and break from my boringass life that I just smoked through it til my tolerance was back again. Guess its true that you just have to smoke away all the paranoid brain cells first. Anyway I'm just an idiot and an impulsive trainwreck even without alcohol. Now I can just barely get high again even though I'm sucking 90% oil through my vape pen like its coca cola
Yeah id steer clear of any oil or concentrate. I used to be big into disposable pens but they are too fucking convenient .
At least with flower there are extra steps involved.
Respect
Thanks broksi
Thank you for sharing
No worries broski
As an alcoholic that smokes, here's my take. Alcohol nearly destroyed my life and killed me. I was flirting with legal trouble, I barely had any energy for work and I couldn't think straight.
Weed, while being mildly annoying because it causes you to lose your train of thought, hasn't even come close to anything near a fraction of trouble alcohol caused.
7 1/2 years sober.
Congratulations on your 7 1/2 years sober. Serious question: do you feel like you have traded one addiction for another, that is just less harmful or easier to manage? My addictive personality has made me feel like absolute straight edge sobriety is the only way to keep from spiraling out of control.
I am extremely reckless when I drink lol. I used to drink all the time when I was on probation. Those were some of the worst years of my life. Now I just smoke a little weed to take the edge off.
Honestly, my biggest complaint about pot heads is the inability to admit that it is an addiction. I get that it's "not addictive," but people refuse to admit that they have an addictive personality. One friend I have is the most irritating person on the planet if they can't hit their pen every 30 minutes and are chronically broke because they are constantly buying carts every other day. Another one got kicked out because she was told that her mother did not care what she did outside of the house, but they had young kids and did not want it in the house. She smoked weed with her 12 year old sister and talked so much shit about her parents when they found out, kicked her out, and threatened to report her if she was found at the house. Neither of these people will admit that weed is what started these problems. I know that they are obviously the main culprit in their own problems, but substances amplify shitty traits, and I think because of years of saying that weed isn't addictive people are resistant to the fact that it's themselves that cause the addiction.
I know two people who cannot have a healthy relationship together without weed. Their sober personalities clash way too much so they have to be high all the time to make their marriage work. Neither of them want to admit they're dependent on it, and one of their kids wound up high risk during birth because weed can increase the risk of preeclampsia.
An aunt of mine has mental health problems and weed makes it so much worse. She becomes super paranoid, even violent when she gets too high, trying to "escape" whatever is mentally tormenting her.
People who claim they can smoke and drive are liars. I've smoked weed and there's no way in hell I'd ever drive and smoke, it impairs memory and makes you slower to react. It can also compact anxiety which isn't good when you're behind the wheel.
People literally lose jobs because they can't stop lol. Having to borrow other people's piss because they can't stop long enough to pass the initial employment screening.
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Yeah, I "love" it when weed proponents blabber how iT's NoT aDdIcTive, but then you go on a sub like r/antiwork and see people asking how they can fake a drug test... I mean, if it's not addictive and you know you'll lose your job, if you get caught using it, uuuh, stop using it.
Objectively speaking, alcohol may be worse on your body, but at the very least alcohol addicts aren't trying to claim that their drug of choice isn't addictive.
Edit, because I can't reply: u/Dare2Wish - I'm not judging people who smoke because of chronic pain, and I think people who have medical reasons to smoke should be exempt from random check-ups. We're not talking about them, though.
u/SteemyRay - I'd be completely OK, if workplaces started doing random check-ups for alcohol. I rarely drink and never need alcohol to have fun. If all alcohol on Earth disappeared tomorrow, I probably wouldn't even notice for a few weeks after that.
Some people don't smoke for fun. Some of us have chronic pain 🥲
If there was a workplace test that could detect alcohol ingestion within past last week, and people could be fired for failing it by having even just one drink in that time, it would be very interesting to watch people’s perceptions of that & what might change about personal responsibility rhetoric.
You know I always see this "weed smoker say its not addictive" but I haven't seen this at all in all the time I've smoked and all the weed subreddits etc etc. A lot of weed smokers are fully aware that it's addictive and a lot of weed smokers promote other subreddit like r/leavers that promote quitting and helping to stop being addicted.
Alcohol causes significantly more damage to your body than marijuana. That is a fact, and facts do not give a flying fuck about your opinion. Whoever told you your alcoholism is a problem did so out of concern.
It's not that using one substance is better than the other.
It's the years of proof of violence, neglect, etc etc associated with drinkers. I'm not saying cannabis smokers can't do the same. But we dont have that proof. I'm sure in the next 20-30 years we'll be hearing the same shit for being smokers instead of heavy drinkers.
But coming from an area with many many many drinkers. I hardly touch the stuff. Cannabis though, doesn't make me stupid like alcohol does. Just my personal shit there. Like I said above. I'm sure later down the line we'll be looked at as bad for smoking lol.
This! I can't drink alcohol at all I get extremely violent (sober I'm calm as you can be) but having a smoke the only thing in danger is the snack drawer and the fridge 🤣
No we won't, it doesn't suppress the parts of the brain responsible for impulse control. That kind of disinhibition is the result of specific pharmacological activity.
Shhhh I was trying to give op an out. It was not taken.
alcohol leads to violence and liver problems... weed leads to laziness...
Sort of true but I've taken weed for years and I've done pretty well for myself. I'm happily married, we have 3 kids and we are early retired. My wife doesn't take any drugs. I exercise a lot. I love to play chess and Civ 6 when I'm stoned.
When I smoke I become more reckless and lack impulse control. I seek out other voices like gambling and sexual activity. When I'm drunk I'm def more reckless and seek out sexual activities and am belligerent.
It's so crazy that the common theme is people get violent when drunk...
When I get drunk I get stupid horny.
It's not the common theme bud.
It's one of the more reported things to come from alcohol other than car crashes, or alcohol poisoning. 911 calls, and something many people can just relate to from how they grew up with their families etc etc etc.
Lots of people just get stupid and horny. Lots get worse. We were just using a metric that could be counted if we needed to pull numbers for whatever reason.
Your experience doesn't make up everyone else experience.
The way I see it, 90% of the population drink, and if 2% of those drinkers become aggressive when they drink, that’s not an alcohol issue, that’s those people’s issues.
As far as health is concerned, alcohol wrecks the body, weed wrecks the brain and lungs, so do whichever you like, but don’t act like you’re any better than the other
Weed does not "wreck" your brain or lungs.
I don't disagree at all. We just have more proven cases of issues associated with alcohol, which is what was being brought up.
Edibles are fine. Smoking a lot I also agree an issue. A lot of that also has to do with people smoking blunts and papers over smoking in a water pipe where you're not also sucking in burning paper etc. But a conversation for another time.
I dunno man. If you had to choose between being addicted to alcohol or weed I think one is objectively better for you than the other.
Where do you get 2%. If we just make shit up, we can claim anything right...
You’ve completely missed the point
They are lol. I’ve never seen stoner destroying somebody else’s property, I never seen two stoners get into physical fight, I never seen stoner almost chocking on their own vomit after passing out, I never seen 2 days long hangover from weed, I never seen anybody abusing their partner/kids after smoking… When you smoke, you destroying your lungs but you are not thread for society and abuser after taking it.
When I was a stoner I’d be pretty chill but if I couldn’t get weed, I’d get quite angry. If I had to choose between the two I’d rather be a stoner than an alcoholic.
I mostly agree but I will counter that life long stoners are some of the most aggressive, irritable people on earth, if they aren’t high. It’s not the same degree as a raging drunk but it’s still a negative
Honestly I don't think that's a consequence of addiction as much as it is a driver of it. I'm a miserable grumpy asshole without weed, I was a miserable grumpy asshole before weed.
I would argue that most people who use weed to manage their mood never develop the non chemical coping mechanisms that most people have to develop. This is especially true for people who start smoking as a teenager.
Well yes if you had the coping mechanisms, obviously you wouldn't depend on a substance to cope. So does substance abuse cause an inability to cope, or does an inability to cope lead to substance abuse?
I believe the vast majority of people can/would develop the coping mechanisms and social necessity to live a day without being miserable all the time. Others could learn these skills from counseling and therapy. There are people who may require medications to meet a reasonable level of social interaction but that’s a very different process than the self medicating that many weed users are doing
As OP said, taking drugs is negative. But I still be much rather be locked in one room with sobering up stoner than drunk person.
Not true. I'm a life long stoner and I'm not irritable at all. I'll add that I use in moderation.
op hates science lol. i think everyone else explained it quite well and i don’t want to be redundant, but all in all there’s a reason weed is medicinal when ingested and alcohol isn’t. your bias against weed is very much based on racism, as the demonizing of cannabis and praise of alcohol is a direct result of the war on drugs and has been used to enhance both class and racial disparities since at least the 60s. i’d be willing to go more in depth on this. (to be clear, i’m not calling you racist, but there are internal biases that one might have due to the way one is socialized and what’s standard in front of them and i’m afraid everyone is somewhat a victim of this. i myself have similar prejudiced biases in other subjects that i am working to unlearn).
obviously both weed and alcohol are mind altering, therefore both are bad when abused, and i’ve seen the nuanced ways in which weed can ruin one’s life when not moderated. that being said, both statistically and chemically, it just isn’t the in the same realm as alcohol, and that’s not a subjective thing. just do your research, chemists, biologists, historians, sociologists, and others with much better credentials than both of us have been studying the topic of weed vs alcohol for decades.
edit to add: i DEFINITELY agree that some stoners are hypocrites though, and the notion that weed isn’t addictive whatsoever is misleading and inherently harmful. it’s so valid to reprimand a stoner for unhealthy behavior because at the end of the day it’s still a drug, but to say it’s as bad as alcohol is just blatant ignorance when there are a plethora of studies that prove otherwise.
I’ve never seen a violent pothead.
Never bad to pick a pothead off the floor because they were so fucked up they couldn't get up..
Not at ALL. Weed is not nearly as destructive as alcohol on your health, it doesn't increase aggression, it doesn't cause nearly the same level of impairment or physical dependency (it doesn't cause physical dependency at all). I have seen alcohol make people violent. I have never seen weed make anyone violent. I developed a mental dependency on marijuana, and I've also been addicted to alcohol at one point in my life. Both were destructive to my mental health, but alcohol is much worse, and from my experience growing up in a household that was ravaged by rampant alcoholism, I find the comparison almost insulting.
Also, I think that "you shouldn't be telling anyone what their vices should be" is applicable at all. You can recognize your own flaws while still trying to dissuade other people from making the same mistakes. And I think regular marijuana smokers absolutely have a reason to dissuade alcoholism. You can be a pretty regular weed smoker and be perfectly functional and healthy, I don't think the same goes for drinking, at all. I don't smoke weed anymore, and I also don't drink. I do both of those things very occasionally in a social setting, maybe once every 3-4 months. But even at my worst with weed dependency, I'd still have felt justified in saying "Hey, you're drinking way too much, it's changing you for the worse and the effects on your health are very visible, I'm worried that this is gonna progress", especially as someone who has battled alcohol dependency.
Well I'm not judging but one can kill you in a sitting the other you just end up locked to the place your sitting at for a bit. I myself am all for decriminalization of all drugs so I don't have any moral problem with people using even fentynal.
Objectively speaking in terms of how much damage to the body it causes alcohol is way way worse. Weed has medical applications alcohol doesn't aside from disinfection which guess what relies on its ability to damage biological structures.
A totally false equivalence.
I’ve gone to several NA and AA meetings and in what I’ve personally seen alcohol can have drastically worse consequences on your health and relationships.
As someone who’s completely clean and sober for over a decade, I both agree and disagree. The over arching point that drug seeking behavior comes from the same place is valid. I’ve also watched friends and family completely alter their personalities using either substance. Where I disagree is volatility of a drunk person as opposed to a high person. The swings in personality and impulsive actions are way more active with alcohol. The inhibition removal is scary when you see people become violent, belligerent or completely out of control. Weed can lessen inhibitions but not nearly to the extent alcohol does
No, you're wrong. Every substance is not created equal. Alcohol is far worse for you. And alcohol is far more likely to make you angry and violent. These are facts, whether or not you like them.
I'm drug-positive, and I don't necessarily judge anyone for using chemicals to cope with life. But the things you're angry at people saying about alcohol-- It's poison, it's horrible for you, it ruins families-- are all true about alcohol, in a way they are not true about Cannabis.
i think that drinking rotten, poisonous juice and abusing the feeling of the detoxification process is worse than harnessing the brain-tickling powers of a plant.
Drinkers have been coming down hard on weed smokers for as along as I’ve been an adult, 30 plus years.
So just to be clear, you as a wine drinker, have no room to tell a meth or heroin addict what they should or shouldn’t be?
Based on OP’s responses in the comments seems like they just wanna argue for the sake of arguing. Maybe time to put the drinks down for the night.?
Whatever helps you drink at night, alcoholboi!
Goodnight smelly stoner. You probably won't remember this convo next week.
Alcoholics are a million times worse
And yet weed smokers can't stop smoking. It's almost like it's just as addictive as alcohol.
This is factually false. Just stopping drinking can kill you, all by itself. People may develop difficult weed habits, but it is not physically addictive.
Over 5% of human deaths are alcohol related. Over indulging in any vice is going to be bad for you and weed is no exception, but alcohol is a literal top 10 cause of death for our species, so you'll forgive me if I think your opinion is uneducated, ignorant and stupid.
Hell no, they are not.
I live and grew up with drinkers/alcoholics, I've never done anything close to the stupid, wild, and hurtful shit they've done while drunk even when as high as can be.
I've never heard of someone over dosing on weed. I've never heard of someone getting weed poisoning. In a lot of ways weed is safer than alcohol. The only thing that makes weed dangerous is the criminalization of it.
Do edibles fall in the same category?
The issue isn't taking a substance. The issue is overusing and abusing a substance. Tou can have a drink or smoke ok the weekends or after work. But the moment you're getting blind drunk or stupid high every day and it's interfering with your day to day life is when it becomes an issue. Drink/smoke responsibly.
No better at what?
As humans.
What does that even mean?
Alcohol is so much worse. So much.
You talk like you have never smoked weed. Totally different effect on the body and mind than alcohol. Brain dead take
So you are hanging out with everyday "weed smokers" who are telling this to you daily?!
Maybe find a new group of friends.
Dude’s an editor at High Times
Weed will never make someone so hungover they can't work the next day.
Oh my gosh. Alcohol is way worse for your body and those around you. Not every glass is bad but Jesus
I do both. Drinking has so many more negative impacts compared to weed it's not funny. Anyone arguing differently is a fool.
We make better food
Weed heads are the worst cooks lol. All the best chefs drink wine.
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Dear diary.
Some people run marathons to chase a feeling. Others chase a feeling by pounding an entire tray of brownies while they watch Family Feud. Are they the same? I’ll let you decide.
Alcoholics are insufferable, obnoxious, and sometimes violent. High people are much more tolerable than drunk people.
People say that because they find stoners annoying, but a lot fewer people miss work or do shit jobs because they were high last night than because they were drunk, so I'd say it's plenty better for society.
Weed is 100% objectively better. Anything can be abused. Look at obesity. Proof food can be abused. But there are no medical benefits to drinking alcohol. It's a body altering poison. That prolonged use only destroys the body. whereas cannabis has proven medical benefits without serious health risks to the body depending on consumption type. An can be used daily on a medical or recreational basis without concern to the health and safety of those around them or them selves. There are proven issues with inhaling anything. Also, almost 90% of the food you consume could cause cancer doesn't mean it does. There is plenty plenty of proof of alcohol abuse, and it's destruction to families and others that it's something that should be consumed with caution and moderation, which people don't because it's so easy to get. That being said, take my upvote as that's extremely unpopular. A+.
Eh, weed doesn't make you violent. When my father would come home stoned he would eat a shit ton watch cartoons with me and my brother and go to bed really early. When he was drunk he would beat my mum my brother and me. So IMHO its better to be addicted to weed than to alcohol for everyone involved.
I mean statistics and science have determined this is false, but you're entitled to whatever opinion you please.
Given alcoholism killed my brother, I feel I'm in a fairly good spot to advise strongly to stay away from it.
Id even rather you be a regular pot smoker. At least it ain't gonna outright kill you like Alcohol will.
So there's that. You don't have to heed the advice, but if you're gonna involve yourself on the debate, be prepared to hear it.
Maybe thats your answer, if you're sick of hearing it...stop getting into debates about it?
I will give my 2 cents, having grown up surrounded by drinkers and smokers. My family saw the most improvement in their lives when the alcoholics in our family stopped drinking, but when the smokers stopped smoking, nothing really changed other than their ability to hold a train of thought. I've never seen smoking make a person violent, abusive, or otherwise unmanageable, I've in fact, seen people who normally are short tempered become very docile and calm when smoking. Sure there are shitty stoners, I've met one who was just mean as hell when he wasn't high, but I've met many more people who go from pleasant and wonderful people to be around to complete nightmares after drinking.
You're comparing alcoholics to weed smokers and not drinkers to weed smokers. Enjoying a glass of wine a few times a week does not a violent person make. We always call weed smokers "smokers" but when we talk about drinkers, they're automatically alcoholics.
From having used both for years at different times, I’d say you’re right and wrong.
Right because smoking it is still attributed with lung cancer, and with the entourage effect can lead to a lazy life.
However if you vape or eat your thc, you don’t get the goichy entourage effect, just the “high” part, and it’s anti-carcinogenic thanks to its promotion of autophagy.
Alcohol on the other hand is a straight up class 1A. Plus the headaches that come along with it are just not worth that initial buzz you get from the first drink and chase all night but can biologically never achieve again until you return to sober and start from scratch.
Out of all the drugs, alcohol is about the worst for your health and has one of the most limited “highs” so it’s really pretty shitty.
I can’t judge I have a very addictive personality. The one thing I will say is I get into less trouble smoking weed than I ever have drinking. I recently fell in my bathroom and spit my head open from binge drinking for a week straight and being dehydrated. I’ll probably never stop drinking but I’ll stop drinking to the point of blacking out. If I died no one would know because I live alone.
I've never heard of anyone beating up their family because they were too high on weed. One of the known effects of alcohol is an increase in aggression. Being quite an agreeable little fella who likes to get along with people I would much rather hang out with weed smokers than heavy drinkers. People who've had 6 drinks are just thoughtless.
6?! That's a fuck ton of alcohol. I see why people are so averse to alcohol, they were traumatized by abusive fucks with whiskey on their breath.
Friend of mine drinks 8 beers a day. I love him so he's still a friend no matter what he does, but I'm just watching an addiction to alcohol strip a person of his health. It's obscene how many millions of people die early from alcohol abuse around the world. I always wonder to myself how you could equate the two drugs. I don't know what the actual numbers are, but I bet the ratio of people who responsibly drink vs killing themselves with alcohol is substantially higher than it is for weed. Big street brawls outside of bars and nightclubs aren't fueled by clouds of weed smoke. That's what everyone does to calm down after.
No one OD's on weed.
No but they’re not any worse either
Everyone has their own poison. Beer and weed is a good combination but only with a few shots of rye. My day to day existence is about regulating my poisons and I’m happy to report I’m maintaining.
I think alcohol is worse for you in the long run but weed definitely has some bad effects too if you smoke it everyday. All of the people I knew in school that were pot heads ended up being extremely lazy and have gone nowhere in life, my close friend being one of them. Before she started smoking she was extremely bright and had a lot going for her. Then she almost dropped out and has almost become slow because of it. You can say she might’ve had mental health issues before that but it’s not rocket science that she completely changed as soon as she started smoking. If you do it in moderation it probably isn’t as bad.
Weed smokers will bitch at you for having a cigar.
As they used to say, "Choose your poison..."
Sure, but only one of these two poisons will kill you.
Weed smokers are no better, but alcohol in itself is way worse than cannabis.
Agreed. A crutch is a crutch
I’ve used and misused both for more than 20 years and alcohol is way more dangerous than weed. Every bad decision I’ve ever made and most every terrible thing that happened to me in my past was a direct response from alcohol. Weed just made me eat a bunch of junk food.
Did you ever use alcohol without misusing it? Because i have a few glasses of wine a week and have yet to ruin my life because of it. People have AWFUL experiences with weed as well. We're blaming the vice and not person.
I’m not saying I’m not my own problem. I’m just saying alcohol is much worse and people do a lot worse things while drunk and because of alcohol. Yes, people have problems with weed and can be addicted to it. I just don’t see it ruining near as many lives as booze.
Preach, OP. There’s nothing worse than sanctimonious potheads.
As someone who does both occasionally both are bad
Damn I like to do both at the same time so…
The anger and irrational shit usually comes when the pot user is out of pot. So generally these people have their episodes devoid of the impaired affects
We all know the negative effects of alcohol as it’s been studied, observed and even experienced directly or indirectly in some cases.
However, I’ve never met a group of people more in denial to weed’s detrimental effects on the body and mind than fervent marijuana users.
All vices are bad and a crutch
Well the thing about marijuana is that it also has medical uses I mean I know alcohol does too but there are a lot of people who smoke marijuana or use cannabis specifically for pain or other chronic issues and that's not usually the case with alcohol I need people do use alcohol for pain but it causes a lot more damage in the process.
Also alcohol kills a lot more people than cannabis
So your saying the common theme is we are both of us chasing relaxation and relief? And that makes us no better than each other?
Sure, I have no problem agreeing with that. Still not sure what the point here is though.
Weed smoking is worse
Unless you are drinking $1,500 bottles of wine most cheap wine is worse than weed for you.
Alcohol is one of the very few drugs that you can become addicted to and literally die if you quit cold turkey.
You can do herion every day and quit cold turkey, and it will be miserable, but you won't die. Quiting Alcohol can literally kill an alcoholic.
You can smoke a bus full of weed every day for 10 years and quit cold turkey with zero negative effects on your body.
Weed is way better for your body than Alcohol.
I mean if you’re saying morally then that’s your opinion, but in general/physically there is no debating the fact that alcohol is more destructive to the body and to society as a whole
I couldn’t agree LESS
As a weed smoker - you are 100% correct.
Objectively, weed is just safer. I've never heard anyone fight from weed. I've never heard anyone beat their children from weed. I've never heard anyone go into hospital because they suddenly stopped using weed. I've never seen anyone shake because they didn't have their morning weed. I've never seen anyone throwing up their guts from weed. I've never heard anyone say how bad of a hangover they had from weed. Just all around, people do not get physically dependent to weed (although you can absolutely become psychologically dependant on weed), they do not get aggressive on weed, the withdrawal doesn't make their bodies give up. The most I've heard from stoners is "I can't sleep unless I've had my joint", which of course it's not good, but much better than your body giving up from alcohol withdrawal.
Now, if you occasionally drink wine and you're careful to not become dependant on it, it's fine. Weed in excess isn't ok neighter. I have a few friends, they smoke weed just to feel normal and they can't sleep unless they had their fix. Excesses just such, be it alcohol or weed, but being dependant on alcohol is just objectively MUCH WORSE.
I've never seen anyone get violent or start a fight high on weed. Booze's potential to turn some people belligerent and fight-prone is a big plus in weed's column, imo.
A lot of you guys have a lot of miss information
As individuals I don't think heroin users inherently are worse than wine drinker or cannabis smokers. All we have is the damage substance causes. To others and the user themselves.
So I don't quite understand this post.
However as far as the "act" goes one drug (alcohol) kills the most people in the world every year of any other drug, the other (cannabis) is zero or close to it.
Smoking weed doesn't have the same track record for turning someone angry or abusive after imbibing.
I think both are fine in moderation. The thing about smokers though, is most are daily, multiple times daily, smokers. Which most drinkers are not (except true alcoholics). Having someone relying on a substance to get through every one of their days preach to you about harm is irony that is always lost on the one doing the preaching. Source: used to be one
The thing about smokers though, is most are daily, multiple times daily, smokers. Which most drinkers are not
You have any actual evidence of this claim?
One is poison for life the other creates for life.
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Weed is better than alcohol imo. For any and all of the reasons. But.. i agree a pothead is no better than an alcoholic if that's what you mean.
Deez nuts are no better than drinkers
Anything in excessive moderation is extremely bad.
And also most people fail to see an addiction for what it is, and cope and try to hold onto things.
Once again moderation is key to anyone being healthy
No one thinks they are
You can eat weed and it’s safer than wine
As far as I'm concerned both are as bad as each other in the end, I'm for legalisation of weed but must have same rules as drink.
Any who think ones worse then the other are just fools
If argue they're worse. At least alcoholics don't smell like a dead rotting skunk
Alcoholics smell also...
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Physically, in terms of the effect weed has on the body vs. alcohol, they are better.
Alcohol is poison for people who drink it regularly and in high quantities. Period.
Hanging out with people who are high is just as tedious as hanging out with people who are drunk, when one isn't in the same headspace as they are, that's for sure. And people who smoke a lot (or eat, whatever) might as well be high all the time for where their heads are.
With use, they are the same. With abuse, alcohol is worse. It's not the same for every person, but there are far more alcoholics than stoners that also have a violence problem
So by your logic an alcoholic drinking a fifth of vodka a day is equally acceptable behavior as me drinking a cup of coffee before work everyday and smoking a J on the weekend because we’re both “chasing a feeling”? I don’t feel morally superior to an alcoholic because I think my substances of choice are healthier, but let’s not pretend all substances are made equal. Like there are legitimate reasons why people, and society in general, would be concerned over a moderate alcohol addiction and not over moderate caffeine addiction.
Hopefully I’m missing something here cause if you really believe that I don’t know what to tell you.
??? I swear its the other way around. DOnt most people drink alcohol and isnt weed literally illegal
I’d argue they’re worse than drinkers actually
The way I see it, 90% of the population drink, and if 2% of those drinkers become aggressive when they drink, that’s not an alcohol issue, that’s those people’s issues.
As far as health is concerned, alcohol wrecks the body, weed wrecks the brain and lungs, so do whichever you like, but don’t act like you’re any better than the other
I'm 10 years sober off everything but coffee. Can I tell people what to do?👀
Sounds like you need to consider rehab.
This one’s gonna trigger a lot of weed addicts.
I'll get plenty of hate for this, coming from a light drinker (maybe one drink a month), and a non-smoker, I'd say smokers are worse. But mainly in that from my experience on here alone, if you're against weed in any way, you're downvoted to hell, ridiculed and told every which way from Sunday that smoking is justified.
I've never heard a drinker say what they do is justified nor do they hate on you for not drinking. It's socially acceptable to think that drinking is worse on the body, and it likely is, but it's socially unacceptable to be against weed for any reason.
Yep, we're just as bad as each other. That's why I can't stand the snobby wine drinkers who look down their nose at smokers
I chose the other when I was younger as I found there was less chance of me making a fool of myself & I was less social. Now I’m older, I still hate socialising but my family prefer me not to drink because apparently I’m just annoying and I’m actually not funny at all. But I agree, whilst drinkers ruin the liver, gut, brain etc I do recall coughing up loads of gunk.
Life isn’t a competition
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They don't get it.
My ex would smoke. Morning (before brushing teeth). Brush teeth smoke right after. Before we left. While driving to work. Once at work, he didn't smoke until his 15. 30 minutes before his lunch. In his lunch. 30 minutes for his 15. On his 15. 30 minutes before we left. While driving home. Once home once again. While making food. Before eating. While showering. And one last one before going to bed.
I once told him that if he replaced all his weed with alcohol he would be an alcoholic. He said weed is healthy and doesn't do anything.
I'm happy more people are seeing this as a problem.
The next thing they need to see is a problem is pxrn addiction. He also saw so much of that. Every bathroom break he watched porn (caught him a bunch of times).
Man, these people really like to nunb themselves than work on themselves.
I think there are things that matter a lot more than if they smoke or drink or not.
At least with drinking it doesn’t smell like someone died.
These are likely the same people who think it is okay to smoke and drive.
Also what do they think breathing in smoke is?
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