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TIL in Marvel Comics, Doctor Doom's armor contains splinters of the True Cross in order to protect himself from vampires
Latveria borders Romania, Transylvania (a country in the MU), Symkaria (another MU country) and Serbia.
So, it's basically Hungary?
Yes, Hungary for your BLOOD!!
Congratulations, not many reddit comments make me laugh out loud.
lol
Hungary is still there. All the countries are just a bit smaller to accommodate all the extra nations.
Vampires and much worse. Doom being a very talented sorcerer himself would be very aware of the value of something like the true cross.
I thought he was a scientist?
Edit: I think I understand from all the messages.... he's both.
Doom is Doom.
Science, Magic, they are just hobbies to Doom.
I bet he's got a kickass model train set.
He plays model trains with real trains
He is also a beast at MvC3
Doot doot
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You can do that in principle, but it's very different from other sciences. People who are good at one suck at the other. Except for Dr. Doom.
Well he is a doctor after all
No he isn't. He was kicked out before he finished his Ph.D. He just goes by that name.
My headcanon is that Mister Fantastic doesn't use Doctor in his superhero name as a way of mocking Dr. Doom.
How dare you, the University of Latveria gave Doom all the honorary doctorates he could ever want.
My headcanon is that Mister Fantastic doesn't use Doctor in his superhero name as a way of mocking Dr. Doom.
Reed Richards doesn't mock Doom, he pities him.
If a genius who values life over all else pities another genius who disdains the prior for being a fool for not seeing the error his ways; who is the true genius?
The one too closed minded to accept the futility of it all, or the one who has lost all hope for the simple minded and gullible fools who cling to the beliefs of the prior?
Edit. I think a good way to explain this to some people is this. To cling to life as something one must uphold is as dangerously unhealthy as one who is naught but a nihilist. Doom is not a nihilist but rather a realist. He accepts that some things cannot be changed, or maybe even rather should not be changed. Hence why Richards is a fool.
He is closer to the Sith than a Jedi to put it in terms some might understand better.
He is so held back by trying to save the un-saveable that he ruins himself slowly. Just like how the Sith succumb to the dark side.
Reed Richards will end up the enemy. As The Joker would have us understand, all it takes to succumb to madness is just the right push.
Doom could push him beyond his limits like as the Joker implies to teach him the hard way, but doesn't. Who is the real bad guy here? The one who tries to go against the natural order of the universe forcing it to succumb to his will for all life to live harmlessly, or the one who understands his true place in nature and only wishes his old friend could see things the way nature intended?
Reed Richards is a ticking time bomb and Victor Von Doom knows it.
To understand this, think of the AI that tries to save humanity by exterminating it.
Reed Richards truly is the fool Doom sees him for.
Found Doom
One who has lost all hope and sense of purpose can act only as long as they stubbornly cling to behavior they know to be irrational. Existentialism is a waste product of higher thought; it is detrimental to the mind that continues to dwell upon it yet provides nothing of value.
There may be no good or evil, but surely there is life and death, and one who has purpose will triumph over an equal who does not. Is there any sense in choosing failure over success? Who, then, is the fool - the one who chooses to live, or the one who chooses to die?
That's Dr. Mr. Fantastic to you
what about dr strange?
MCU Dr. Strange had an incredibly hard time learning magic, specifically BECAUSE he was so scientifically oriented.
Did he? Didn't look like he was struggling very much.
He had to get shoved into the Himalayas to even pick up the beginner-move of using a slingring, after all the other apprentices had already learned how
He processes information much faster than everybody because he actually is pretty smart, but producing the magic was hard. All the other magic users conjured fancy weapons and magical shields, while he was barely able to conjure some rope thingie. He is good with the eye of aggomoto because it has power in it, whole the ring sling is mostly about concentrating your magic.
Tl;Dr: he's a nerd
He is, in fact, a medical doctor.
But isn't that why he's so good at being the sorcerer supreme? I seem to recall something like the magic requires super intricate hand gestures, and he was incredibly skilled with his hands since he was a world-class neurosurgeon before the car crash.
Not necessarily, that guy without a hand was far better with a sling ring.
As far as the movie is concerned, I don't think he's capable of "super intricate hand gestures".
iirc, "fixing" his hands would be a constant drain on his magical ability, which is why he's told that he could fix his hands, but he'd be giving up on magic. Just like broken back guy.
why? it's like a person can be good at biology, but not astronomy.
doom just has a two PhD's.
"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
I too would like to learn anal magic.
Welcome to first base.
So it's true, doing butt stuff really is the frontier of human experience
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Should have just called Squirrel Girl.
I highly recommend Doctor Doom and Doctor Strange: Triumph and Torment. It delves heavily into Dooms mystical side and the two team up against Mephisto. Plus, art by Mike Mignola of Hellboy fame.
He's both.
well blade is marvel isn't he? so him and all the vampires he hunts are part of the marvel world.
Also Dracula is a pretty major villain.
I think you're overlooking the best part is that armor
Finger-Blaster, also known as Miniature Finger-Gun
Sometimes he calls it one thing, sometimes he calls it another. DOOM IS NOT SO PEDESTRIAN AS TO LIMIT HIS MECHANICAL TERMINOLOGY TO A SINGLE DESCRIPTOR. HE KEEPS HIS FOES GUESSING AS TO HIS TRUE MEANING, AND IN THEIR CONFUSION THEY DANCE LIKE PUPPETS ON HIS STRINGS.
Wait. They're smaller than Finger-Guns? Are there tiny hands at the ends of his fingers?
He also can fire eldritch bolts without his armor. In fact, you are never sure if what he is firing is science or magic.
I cast magic missle!
To be fair, he lives in a multiverse were vampires are a very real threat. So why not prepare?
But why use something as valuable as the True Cross when garlic works just as well...oh right, he's Doom. Over the top showiness or bust.
Because marvel vampires are crafty as fuck.
Dracula straight up had a moon base where he shot vampires out of cannons to invade Great Britain. You don't rely on garlic to stop dudes like that
Are you sure that's not Dr. McNinja?
Well that's the most metal thing i've heard today
Captain Britain and MI13. Pretty good series. Very short lived.
aren't vampires averse to any religious symbol?
all people have to do is make the atmosphere a religious symbol, and BAM, no more vampires.
Why not just get a humidifier and some holy water. It's a lot easier than creating new religious iconography.
...seriously tho?
Thank goodness Axe Cop took care of THAT problem.
I feel sorry for any vampire that ended up in France.
You'd get sick of the smell.
YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THE SMELL YOU BITCH
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His adversary will be a giant nose that smells crime! Hopefully voiced by Dolph Lundgren.
Then penetration.
To be fair I think he would actually do a good job.
This is what evil smells like
Isn't his armor air-tight? I don't think he'd particularly care about people around him getting sick of the smell.
Then what about rubbing holy water on his armor?
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It's titanium.
Garlic doesn't work as well tho. Garlic would just repel vamps the cross would burn/kill besides it would protect against other stuff too like demons and shit
"Doom does not always become God, but when he does, his throne is the base of the World Tree."
Until that tree is taken over by Groot.
Also planning ahead for the next time he needs to escape hell.
The best protection forever thats like asking why woulf you wear a forcefield you can have reactive shielding
Garlic rots and has to be reapplied.
The true cross isn't his only defense against vampires. Doom is also an adept user of magic (mostly dark) and has the means to fight and rebuke vampires and such.
Also his armor basically prevents attacks against his flesh which a lot of undead creatures require.
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I didn't know Dracula was a Kryptonian?!
It keeps dracula away because it's a cross and it keeps superman away because it's made of kryptonite. Two birds with one stone
Deep thought.
Recycling System: The armor is self-supporting, equipped with internal stores and recycling systems for air, food, water, and energy, allowing the wearer to survive lengthy periods of exposure underwater or in outer space.
Umm, . .how does it. . .recycle food?
Doctor Doom cares not for your petty desires for fine dining!
Doom, uh, finds a way.
You eat what you shit.
If you find that disturbing, I would not sign up for any long distance space travel in the future.
TIL, the True Cross exists in Marvel's Universe, on Earth-616!
As does Yahweh, Jesus, Moses, the Spear of Destiny, and the Ark (no Noah, though).
"Noah is an Allegory"-Jobe
So do Odin and Zeus...It's confusing
Odin, Zeus, Vishnu, Osiris, Tezcatlipoca, Gitche Manitou, Yu Huang, Svarog, and every other god worshiped by man on Earth.
All religions of Earth exist within pocket dimensions. These pocket dimensions all have their own ruler and order When the leaders of the religions meet they are known as the Skyfathers
Not really.
Jack Kirby is the true god of the marvel universe( no seriously, in universe the most powerful being takes the form of Jack Kirby)
Was the character invented by jack himself or by others in honour of him?
In an FF Storyline done in the 2000s, the Fantastic Four meet the Supreme Being. It is Kirby. This was done in honor of him. Trying to remember who did that run (the Hereafter Storyline). I kinda want to say Mark Waid? But I feel like that's wrong.
The character itself (The One Above All) was created by Kirby, however the depictions of the character as Kirby were done later as an homage to him
In the Marvel Universe, it seems that gods are kind of brought into existence by the collective belief of their followers (though it also seems as though once they've been brought into existence they're no longer dependent upon it, which is why for instance the Egyptian gods are still around without active followers). So it stands to reason that Jesus would be as real as Thor or Hercules, and artifacts related to his mythology would be as real as, for example, Mjolnir.
I understand that The Living Tribunal is the god of Christianity, the Trinity.
Any vampire with half a brain would keep the fuck out of Latveria.
If all the splinters of "true cross" in the world were gathered together, you could build an ark.
Doom knows a lot about magic. I'm sure he could find a real one. Or he could just use his time platform and get one from when it was new.
"excuse me jesus i need to borrow this"
"STAND ASIDE, HEBREW. YOUR DALLIANCE WITH THIS DEVICE IS AT AN END. MINE HAS JUST BEGUN. BEGONE NOW FROM DOOM'S SIGHT, LEST HE FINISH WITH HIS FINGER-BLASTER AND/OR MINIATURE FINGER GUN WHAT PONTIUS PILATE BEGAN!"
Did Doom just threaten to finger blast Jesus?
DOOM DOES NOT MAKE THREATS. HE SIMPLY INFORMS.
This... This is killing me. I can't stop laughing.
If Jesus doesn't die on the cross, I don't think that the cross will protect from vampires.
Better idea. He waited for Jesus to be crucified, then took the cross, occupant and all.
"Come, Messiah. We have work to do. You won't be needed for the next three days anyway."
You think Doom would fuck with counterfeits tho?? 🤔
If all the splinters of "true cross" in the world were gathered together, you could build an ark.
Not true. All known splinters have been accounted for, and add up to less than 8% of what a Roman crucifixion cross is thought to weigh.
A cross is a lot of wood: at least a 4x4x10 plus at least a 2x4x6, at minimum. You can get a great deal of 0.1g splinters out of that much wood.
All known splinters have been accounted for
I should have known.
Wait wait... he's wearing armor, and he needs protection from vampires? Do the vamps have adamantium teeth?
Marvel Universe Dracula is nobody to mess with, even in a high tech, armored suit.
Okay, imagine being Doom and standing there as a vampire comes at you, fangs bared, all superhumanly strong, thinking he's going to rip your armour right off of you. You know he's not, because your armour puts anything that that pretender Stark could produce to shame. But you permit him the momentary fiction that he'll be able to as you stand there, arms crossed upon your chest. The vampire gets within a meter or two of you, and then suddenly he cringes back, hissing with pain and confusion and dread, utterly unable to even lay his pitiful undead hands on you.
It's then that you reach out, staring the immortal creature down from within your mask, saying "WRETCHED CREATURE. YOU THOUGHT TO MANHANDLE DOOM? ALLOW DOOM TO SHOW YOU HOW IT IS DONE." And then, grabbing hold of it by its neck, it shrieks in pain as the divine protection which you have plundered and bent to your own design goes into action, burning and incinerating the thrashing bloodsucker in your grasp until only ashes remain.
It's not just about protection. It's about showing the vermin who's boss.
Fevered applause!
Maybe he's worried about vampire squirrels. Doom doesn't do so well against squirrels.
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The most important hero aside from She Hulk yet to make it into the MCU.
She's the only teen bad ass enough to be the babysitter for Jessica Jones and Luke Cage's baby. In a universe with the X Men.
Don't worry - the AT&T commercial girl is apparently set to play her in Marvel's New Warriors.
Were... were those squirrels yelling 'Cuk' at Dr. Doom?
I just noticed this. Yes. Yes they are.
Neither does Thanos.
Surprsingly, Dracula is a big deal and extremely dangerous. One of Dracula's biggest rival/enemy/nemsis is the self proclaimed First Mutant, Apocolypse. Yes, that Apcoloypse. They have been battling each other since the dawn of civilized man. Each coming close to annihilating one another.
No, he's afraid of being bitten in the eyes
In Triumph and Torment, Doctor Doom and Doctor Strange go to Hell together and fight Mephisto to try and save Doom's Mother's soul. I highly recommend giving it a read.
Roger Stern!
Honestly one of Marvels best villains. Hard to explain why he's cool, but he just is. If we could include him in the MCU id be pretty happy
I think Stan Lee put it best, it's because he's not a criminal.
Look at what he does, he wants to rule the world, that's not illegal, per say. No more so than the American revolution was illegal, but global geo politics is different.
Lastly, he honestly believe he's trying to save the world. Him ruling it is best for everyone. Sure, he's doing it for him too, but also for everyone.
There is an argument to be made too, that if they all just let him rule and deal with it, the earth would be safer
isnt the world under dooms reign literally the best outcome for earth
According to the Oracle, yes
The Oracle showed him what Doom saw as the best outcome
Mostly according to Doom, yes
Given the results of Secret Wars, no. Doom isn't satisfied by it, it's why he is now the Infamous Iron Man.
Lastly, he honestly believe he's trying to save the world. Him ruling it is best for everyone.
It's not really that it's a "belief" of his, so much as that's literally what he's doing. In the comics, there's a trans-dimensional being who can see every reality and even that being admitted the only reality with world peace and prosperity was the one where Doom ruled.
Doom talking with the Panther God says he's looked out over tens of thousands of time lines and only where he rules is there world peace and prosperity for all. The Panther God takes a moment and using his own powers checks. his reply is "You speak the truth"
Here's the thing about that. Doom may very well have had some kind of selection bias in his data set. Maybe he checked 3,000 timelines where Tony Stark takes over, 3,000 where Reed takes over, and 4,000 where Doom takes over. And then the Panther God merely verifies Dooms statement, he doesn't expand upon it by checking more timelines. He just checks the truth of Doom's statement, meaning: Does Doom act in what he feels is the worlds best interest? Yes. Did Doom check 10,000 timelines? Yes. Did Doom see a future where his rule served humanity for the better? Yes. Did Doom see any worlds where world peace was attained without his rule? No.
Iirc he can't see every reality, just a lot of them.
no he said that he also saw the reality where Doom ruled the world and thus could verify that Doom wasn't bullshitting about also seeing it.
He really just needs an image consultant. Change the name to something more friendly, start up an Instagram account, the Doctor would be in power in no time.
So either Doom rules the world, or doom rules the world.
In every art medium, including marvel, there are characters who get told a prophecy or whatever, refuse to believe it and find a way to escape it or its consequences.
He believes the Oracle to be telling the truth and acts on it.
I'm not saying it's his opinion, but it is his belief. (Technically, also opinion, but that's semantics). The fact it's a verified belief by a trans dimensional being doesn't make it "not" his belief
He would probably just end up a one time baddie like all the others except Loki.
he thought of everything.
Doctor Doom is very much like evil Batman
6'7" and 190 pounds?
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He did tame dragons in that Gospel and Dracula means "son of the dragon", so...
Wasn't it Jesus that got a bear to maul some kids for calling a dude bald?
He also fought Demons, and some interpret demons as a kind of vampire.
Yeah I don't even read comics but if you read about Doctor Doom he's basically a huge bad ass.
Which is why every movie adaptation has made me sad. Doctor Doom is the biggest egomaniac, yet self-driven man in the entire MCU. He has tried to single-handedly take on Celestials as well as donning his mask because of a tiny scar.
Fuck Ffourntastic for making him a freaking neckbeard.
Seriously
I wish they'd make a Doctor Doom movie and just tease the FF in it, if even that... They're digging up the corpse of one of their best characters to repeatedly shit on it.
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Well, megawatts would be even better. 100A at 1v would maybe hurt a fly.
You're forgetting the potency of pure energy.
Also, the Human Torch killed Hitler.
"On April 30, 1945, Hitler was killed in self-defense by the Human Torch in Hitler's bunker in the closing days of World War II."
Only for Hitlers conciousness to escape into a clone. http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Hate-Monger_(Earth-616)
I'm a big time Comic book nerd cause my dad owned 2 comic stores in the 90s. I have read way more than my fair share of comics, but I still find stuff like this sometimes. The level of depth and backstory in comics blows me away.
More like "shit they make up for that one story". The only time it'll come up again is in extremely specific circumstances (because how often is Doctor Doom going to run into fucking vampires?) or if Grant Morrison is writing it.
or if Grant Morrison is writing it.
I love how the rainbow monster had a one panel cameo in "Batman R.I.P.".
Dracula is the head of State of a nation bordering Latveria. It comes up.
Side note, imaging sharing a border with those two countries.
"I don't want to get involved, but could both of you please just chill the fuck out?"
Vampires are pretty common in Marvel comics, especially in the nations surrounding Latveria
I've been wanting to get into comics lately, and more specifically, comics featuring Dr. Doom. This character is fascinating to me, can anyone give me a good idea of where to start?
Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom Triumph and Torment. It's a good place to be introduced to both characters. I mentioned it elsewhere in this post. Basically, the two team up, go to Hell, and fight demons. It gets into Doom's backstory.
'Books of Doom' really sold me on the character; I didn't know much about him aside from him being a Fantastic Four antagonist. I admittedly don't read much superhero type stuff, but I enjoyed it.
If you like Doctor Doom, then read Empire by Mark Waid and Barry Kitson. It's about an armoured villain called Golgoth who was clearly based upon Doctor Doom and Darth Vader (the latter being influenced by the former) some years after he has beaten all the superheroes, and conquered Earth. He gives his immediate subordinates a drug, administered in a quasi-religious ceremony, that grants them enhanced physical abilities, but is highly addictive. Golgoth is the only source for this drug, so their loyalty is guaranteed, and the revelation of where the drug comes from is a WTF moment.
Infamous Iron Man stars Doom as he tries to be more of a hero. What I've read has been interesting so far.
I was a big fan of Doom 2099, especially the latter part of the run written by Warren Ellis, though the entire series is worth reading imo.
Should have planned for squirrels instead.
Though, vampires get fucked up by a lot of things, so I'm not sure this is entirely necessary.
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Cow poop
I assume i wasn't the only one who sniggered at the integrated "finger blaster"
You are correct in your assumption.
We all need this armour.
Well that's just common sense.
How is his flesh? I assume always wearing armour has to have some repercussions.
Vitamin D deficiency
Doom don't play. Remember he's the next candidate for sorcerer supreme after Dr. Strange.
I also learned that the suit had a fingerblaster! Fun fact
I owe you an apology, Doom. I wasn't familiar with your game.
Vampires are a real threat in the marvel universe. Latveria I assume wold be in Eastern Europe makes sense