I could see it changing though. Taylor definitely has the fan base that if we look back in 50 years that she'd have had more popularity to dethrone Madonna.
If anything she is the princess of pop, but Madonna is the queen. It's not just popularity and record sales, it's also time frame and cultural impact. Madonna was the queen when there was no real royalty at the time
Because Taylor Swift has exactly 0 good songs? She's the queen of radio garbage that children like, but I'd rather listen to fucking baby shark than any Taylor Swift song.
I've listened to plenty, she was poppy, but not pure pop, she had lots of different influences going on, including soul, gospel, r and b, and pop. Madonna was more just pure pop
To me it’s Madonna. She was untouchable at her peak and was very different from the rest of the women, by far the bravest and with an actual spine to talk about other issues, not like dance, love, sorrow and what not.
I think the only reason I might disagree with you is recent history. It used to be that whenever she opened her mouth I was riveted by what she said, but for a while now, I don't see the same status-quo-challenging icon in her; sometimes quite the opposite.
She has obviously struggled with aging -- somehow I suppose I expected her to rock the crone vibe and I would have been happy to see that, just the latest in a string of "fuck yous" to the patriarchy -- but instead she got that bad BBL, hides behind filters, and sometimes the stuff she posts makes her seem like she's lost touch with reality a bit. She's fallen off, and I think I feel bad for her.
I don't know who I'd suggest in her place, either.
It’s definitely not Taylor, she’s not even next in line for the crown. She needs to wait for Madonna, Cher, Britney, Janet, Mariah, Christina, Lady Gaga, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Pink, Celine, Katy and JLo to die before she takes the throne.
Sorry, but it's Madonna. I'm not even a fan of that genre of music but I respect that her songs were catchy and she was pushing boundaries and taking risks.
However I would recommend for fans of those two to at least try Joni Mitchell and see if you don't think that's better. Or, if you're looking for something more contemporary try Mikaela Davis; a harp player who cut her teeth on Dead music, or St VIncent.
Look this up on Youtube. Mikaela Davis - Leave it Alone & Pure Divine Love (Live on KEXP).
Taylor swift is not it. She's not even that great. I don't think she's unique in looks, style, singing voice, or songs in general. She can be copied easily. I think Madonna is queen of pop. Maybe even PINK.
Pink definitely has that powerful vibe that is just needed to be a queen of pop. Her music is just "louder" in my opinion, there's a power in her words. I'd say Madonna is queen of pop, and PINK is the crown princess (next in line if that's not how you say it)
Taylor however is indeed very easily copied. Her newest album literally includes a song that feels very much like JoJo Siwa's "song"
Madonna is dubbed queen for decades, second only to madonna would be Beyoncé. And no offense I don't like Beyoncé but she has definitely taken stepping into the role of queen over once Madonna slowed down.
Taylor Swift is really only popular with her own fan base. I don't really know any of her music other than her really early stuff and maybe I am mixing that up with Avril Lavigne. The Jackson 5 were universally known like the beatles and Queen. Michael was a phenomenon.
I think Madonna maybe is still the queen of pop but she is souring her own milk at the minute.
There are a lot of good artists, but she survived decades hit after hit. another one is Tina Turner, Whitney Houston, and now Taylor Swift. These are all women that have had multiple hits. Another one was Cher
Like all the other commenters are saying, it's Madonna.
You have to frame this within the context of MJs reign, and as the king of pop then, Madonna was absolutely the queen of pop.
It's silly to compare Taylor Swift now to MJ then. Makes no sense. You'd want to find a more recent male counterpart for the comparison, just as you require an older female counterpart for the MJ/king of pop comparison.
If you need to perceive Taylor Swift in that way, her closest male counterpart would prob be Ed Sheeran.
Michael was/is king because everyone knew his songs/style...and most had at least a song or two that they liked. And you couldn't go anywhere in the 80s without hearing his music.
Taylor has a passionate fan base, but her appeal isn't nearly as broad in society as a whole. She's more of a duchess: ruler over a limited area.
It's probably Madonna by default. Britney could've taken the crown if she lasted longer, but she didn't. Adele or Gaga have a case, but they aren't broad enough either. To be fair it's harder to have a society-wide impact in the 2020s compared to the 80s.
It's not Madonna anymore. It was Madonna until Taylor Swift stayed so consistently popular for so long and is recently started breaking Madonna's records. If she stopped now I could see an arguement for Madonna, but there's no indication that Taylor Swift's release schedule or popularity will slow anytime soon.
People stuck on Madonna will continue to say she's the queen of pop even if Taylor Swift stays this popular for another decade, or two, or three. Many people simply can't change their mind once it's decided.
Michael Jackson was the one who decided he was the "king of pop." Either Michael himself or a publicist working on his behalf (forget which) actually called MTV and demanded they refer to him that way, which is how it became a thing with media at the time. Kurt Loder refused to comply though, and would only refer to him as the "self-proclaimed king of pop." lol
Madonna was queen and Britney was the princess. I used past tense because I’m
Not sure these days? Doesn’t seem right to call Taylor queen but don’t deny her impact and being the worlds biggest super star currently.
I know that the status quo is that Madonna is the Queen of pop, but given the fact that she's less of an innovator and more of a trend follower at this point, his little sister takes the crown
Whitney. Madonna. Kylie. Aretha. Barbara Streisand. Adele, Taylor swift. Lotsa contenders.
It's taylor swift. She's possibly going to have more #1 albums than the Beatles in time.
Swift supplanted Barbara Streisand as the woman with the most No. 1 albums; Streisand has 11 and Swift now has 12. Swift has the third-most No. 1 albums of any artist, behind Jay-Z (14) and the Beatles (19).
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