Endless is not fun (except for catches)

So after basically only playing Classic and only really dipping my feet into Endless a couple of times, I started off my first serious Endless run lately. And holy moly, this is not fun at all.

I mean, I have caught tons of legendaries, shinies and hidden abilities, which is obviously great. But that's about it. Once you get to a certain stage, it's just not fun anymore. The balancing is horrible, which leads to you oneshotting everything that isn't a boss. So if you wanna catch something that has a low catchrate and you don't wanna chuck a masterball at it, good luck.

On the flipside, it doesn't matter how much you outlevel a boss or if you have a type advantage, every fight is a struggle. This is, if you don't follow one or two straight meta gameplans (Metal Burst, Sturdy, Run Away). I just don't enjoy any aspect of it except for finding tons of shinies and legendaries.

Wondering what you guys think, imo some balancing is needed.

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Edraitheru14

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I think endless is fine. Classic is the actual main game mode. Collecting all the ribbons is your meta goal.

Endless is just that, an endless gimmick mode where the whole point is just catching for fun. An "endless" mode IMO should roughly be about like this. The only reason endless got hype over classic period was for catching, particularly on a shiny weekend.

Also, let's not forget this was literally just a guy's pet project he made for fun that's free with 0 monetization. Classic was the goal. And it was exceptionally well-made.

If people want to put forth the Herculean effort that would be a "balanced" "endless" experience, by all means. But don't underestimate exactly how brutally difficult that would be. With SOOOOO many Pokémon and sooooooo many possibilities, they will only be able to scale it so many ways algorithmically. And to do so without some cheese method being the only viable strategy is a nigh impossible ask. Unless you want to make it so easy lots of strategies are viable, in which case there will still be cheese methods that demolish it.

It would be wonderful to see, but realistically it's a pipe dream at best.

Celica_is_best_girl

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Agreed. I'm not saying Endless is super balanced and not at all frustrating because it definitely is (currently in the 2000s myself waiting to find my Run Away while Metal Bursting) but that's kind of the point? Outside of the Endure Token which I genuinely just think is a sin, the whole point is for a mode called Endless to gradually get to a point where you need to do some kind of cheese or you just get cheesed back. Otherwise, it makes no difference between floor 100 and floor 10,000,000 if your Zacian is going to be made to be one shotting someone else. I do think, and agree with the notion that it seems to be that people just want Classic+. As, a longer classic would be fine, and that would also have its definitive end point. Endless being the way it is is precisely good for grinding candies and finding rare pokemon and shinies. Theoretical Classic+, depending on how far they want to go, can be long enough to include 500/1000 floors, 15 starting cost like Endless, but most importantly, a randomized legendary boss every 200 floors instead of just Eternatus. As, it also defeats the purpose of a more interactive mode if a person is going to devolve into the usual strats that trivialize it. This, of course, also would allow some of the harder legendaries to be acquired, or they can just do the same rule of "If you already have one, you can catch it".

Edraitheru14

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There already are plans to add trainers and new bosses to endless.

As I mentioned, classic was the game mode. This was a fan project, not a big full time game by a gaming company.

He intended to do some more stuff like new bosses and trainers and stuff in endless but as of now eternatus is the placeholder.

Again, I know this game got insanely popular and a ton of traction, but at the end of the day it's just a tiny project made by a fan of the game.