The "lizardman constant" is a term coined by a famous blogger and the term now has some traction on the internet. It's defined to be 4%, which the blogger claims is the percentage of survey answers from people who were intentionally not giving a sincere answer.
That's always been on my mind. These people think they're being funny.... They obviously never took a Stat class, cuz stats are boring and put people to sleep, not laugh (until you get the results maybe)
That is because about 15% of us realize kittens are evil.
You’re right, my kitten does actively judge the homeless and wants to kill the foreigner (my ankles) in their lands (my bedroom). Just like Christ Paul wanted.
…dogless…
Lisa Frank?
I can recognize that kittens are evil while still thinking positively about them.
Actually, it was 76%; 24% of us understand the insidious danger of kittens.
Which XKCD is this?
Something something something.. “…separation of church and state…” Isn’t this why we left Britain in the first place?
Something something something… isn’t it you came back to Europe to fight fascism? Why are some Americans swinging swastika flags these days?
It's a long story. To sum it up: a large portion of Americans supported Nazis in the 1930s and, while it became taboo for a time, the increased migration of political the right towards religious extremism married with corporate cronyism has created a moneyed/fundamentalist interest that will gladly tear down the liberal political system that enabled their economic growth/religious freedom in the name of profits/God.
How large of a portion? There were definitely literal nazis and fascists. There were also people who didn't want to be involved in another European war after the horrors of WW1. I find that many people associate that with sympathy or outright support for nazis.
There were American Nazis during World War 2. They're just as disgusting today as they were then.
Walt Disney and Henry Ford among them, both proud, card carrying American Nazis.
The folks who went and fought the nazis came home and voted for jim crow for 20 years.
The fascist won ww2
You can find small groups supporting almost any ideology.
But among the folks who want a theocratic state or to get rid of democracy, neo-Nazis are a minority.
Many Christian Dominionists, if not most of them, are racist. That still doesn't mean Christian Dominionism is the same as National Socialism.
Bannon and his ilk happen to ally with or at least use neo-Nazis for their purposes but Bannon is not a neo-Nazi.
Might have to find another ship full of tea…
I thought the original people that left had left because England wasn't puritan enough for them
Yeah it was basically a spat between Christians. Just that should give a hint that Christians can't actually get along with each other and are far far from a unified religion.
Not to nitpick, but the original people were pagans. They had silly primitive beliefs about treating nature as sacred and making offerings to various animistic spirits.
But fortunately we civilized them and taught them about sin, judgement, and a vengeful god who would torture them for eternity if they didn’t believe in him, and the son he created by raping a human girl.
But it seems Oregon is backsliding. Expect more volcanic eruptions!
Those who left Britain specifically for religious freedom wanted the freedom to practice their fundamentalist Christianity and to impose it as a theocracy. The pilgrims left Britain to escape the "liberal" Anglicans.
Yeah most don't realize it was the crazies who moved here and the moderate religious stayed behind.
Oh, I think most non-Americans realize that.
Yes and no. Many Puritans wanted freedom from England's religious restrictions for themselves but not for everyone in their colonies. Not all of them were as chill as William Penn.
Other colonies had different agendas, some more commercial than religious.
That’s why we started at his colonies so each colony had their own religion that’s why we came to America freedom of religion and freedom of taxes.
Don’t tell people that didn’t take a civics class this !
Those colonies didn't actually believe in freedom of religion. They just didn't like that their religion wasn't accepted by Britain. Someone in a colony would not be free to choose their religion, they would be expected to conform. If you've watched The Witch, the opening scene of the family being exiled for the father's beliefs is based on records of an actual trial.
https://youtu.be/X-DVhYQjzw8?si=yDqSjrPVInWcT2kb
Except if your with the Quakers, god bless those Quakers
So, I live on a reservation here in Oregon. We are surrounded by 4 churches.
The only church that didn't try to force themselves onto us was the Quakers. Unfortunately, someone burned their church down a little over 20 years ago. A church was rebuilt, but it's no longer the Quakers.
I’m so glad we got away from those 2% taxes 🙄😤
yeah, the pilgrims came here because their religion and somehow that got conflated with being a Christian nation.
Sort of. I think the people who left Brittan for the Americas were more interested in escaping monarchy in general, and later the Puritans left because they wanted to practice their own brand of overbearing religious zealotry.
Actually to be able to practice our religion freely. So exactly the opposite of what you said
Something something something.. “…separation of church and state…” Isn’t this why we left Britain in the first place?
I want to say no.
But someone who is younger and in 8th grade can correct me.
Thought the crackheads who left, those pilgrim people, wanted their own religion.
Basically fuck your religion, we want ours, yours smells.
Religious freedom type thing.
Church and state was later, not the reason they left. They left for the idea of their greater religion Clavin and hobbes.
Well, England was Anglican, not Catholic, because of state sponsored religion, and again with Spain/France/Portugal, so there was some "we don't need a national religion" but the ones that left (Puritans) for their religious beliefs, they really were nutso. (Sorry to any extant puritans reading this and feeling attacked, but also, not really)
I'm Christian and support the first amendment of not establishing an official religion.
Wish more of you did.
Honestly it wouldn't be that bad if it was true Christianity. Like, Jesus healed people, which would translate to free healthcare.
The Bible also talks about the dangers of a rich man, so tax the rich.
The Bible is about taking care of the poor, so we need to invest in homeless, singles parents, and those less fortunate.
The Bible template was projecting an idea like Norway, but they fucked it and we are living in the US.
The Bible also said to welcome foreigners.
It also talks about what you can and can not do to your slave. So, no.. don't take the Bible as a guideline for anything. Look at it as an important historical artefact which should and will be overcome soon.
I like your optimism.
That part is documenting the laws of a time. That part is pre-christianity. Using that part of the Bible to promote pro-slavery or homophonic ideas is completely missing the whole Chriatian part of the Bible.
OK so ignore the old testament. And also ignore all the parts of the new testament that we don't like. And voila we have Christianity!
This data is from a 2023 study by PRRI.
The % includes the number of people who said they either “completely agree” or “mostly agree” that “The US government should declare America a Christian nation”.
Washington state had the highest percentage that answered “completely disagree” at 66%. Oregon was second, at 62%.
As a former resident of both Kentucky and North Carolina, I am both proud and honored to call the PNW home.
💟Love from a fellow heathen!
Thank you! I was wondering where the data came from.
Oregon doing its bit to make America sane again
It's always been this way.
Not sure where I learned the word "Atheist" other than being a bit too well read I was in 8th grade in the mid 90s in Coos County and declared myself as an atheist.
No one gave a shit as exactly how they should have thus I never went through an edge lord atheist phase.
I was in the 3rd grade in the 80s in a christian private school when our teachers thought it would be a good idea to show us the power of belief. They lined us up outside the chapel and took us in one at a time blind folded. My turn came up and they led me in and had me put my hands on someone shoulders, preaching about god and stuff, I don't remember the words. Except they said if you truly believe in god then anything is possible and you can even fly. And then I did, well it felt like I was flying.
They had me sit in the pews after to watch the next kid, and revealed what actually happened. We were standing on a platform that was lifted off the ground by two people to make it feel like we were flying.
Instead of believing in miracles and god all I saw was a bunch of people lying to us.
That was actually a good lesson, because it taught you:
that "the power of faith" is a lie;
that the people who staged it thinking that it wouldn't teach you that were idiots;
and that the people who came away from it believing in " the power of faith" were even bigger idiots.
Shit. That's my age in that time in that place.
Go on....
I grew up in Coos County in the early 2000s, my parents were dope and didn't force their religious views on me. Now I'm a Pagan and proud of it. ✊️
Are you still in Coos today? My partner and I had to flea Coos Bay about 8 years ago because I was scared to integrate our children there with all the stories ongoing about homophobic principals and such. I can't even imagine what it'd have been like during MAGA / COVID.
Oh gods no. I joined the Marines and got the fuck out of there. It's a shithole dead end area. If I stayed there I'd be a druggie a redneck, or dead. Fuck no.
Oh damn. Well good on ya for breaking free! It's truly a beautiful area though, mesmerizingly so. I'm convinced that south of Florence is where the Oregon coast becomes the most stunning, but the political / religious stuff is just overwhelming. Tis a shame.
I travel to coos bay for work every quarter and dread it. The coast is beautiful but everything else about it is a shithole. The hotels are outdated and musty AF mid to bad food. It’s sad it’s so beautiful but so miserable
Doing the lords work! 🤣
Washington too. Thank God.
PNW Pride.
Cascadia
Rumor has it, the cascadia initiative has been co-opted by Nazis. This, friends is why we can't have nice things.
I don't thank God for anything. Thank you oregon and Washington for thinking for yourselves
Ramen
Figure of speech, FFS.
Thank Goddess
Common Oregon W
It's always the West Coast and New England keeping the US sane. Every. Single. Time.
I mean, if you actually read the Bible unlike some Christendom “Christians”, it says that no earthly government is applicable to God’s government. So, this might mean that Oregon has the most true Christians.
There’s a big shift in the organization of Christians in Oregon. A Church called Athey has been skyrocketing to the top because of the change in politics in the state, with a lot of people leaving other churches to go there. I have multiple family members in and out of state that attend, it’s an interesting change to witness.
I’m personally not too concerned with organized religion to begin with, and I don’t judge, but the fact that it’s reached so far for a “local” church has been really bizarre, especially since it’s influenced my family so much. What has caused it to be the “beacon” for so many Oregonian Christians?
I think a lot of Oregonian’s also forget that Portland and Oregon are like Atlanta and Georgia, they’re practically two separate states. You can cross a near physical barrier and feel the shift in culture and demeanor.
Do you mean Athey Creek in West Linn? Their pastor is such a horrible bigot! (they play his sermons on the radio daily)
All too high.
Sure, but let's all ask ourselves when, ever, we have even been asked such a question and then try to determine how tf they come up with this shit lol
Truthfully there are states on here I'd expect to be way higher based on the way they vote.
I was shocked to see that Missouri wasn’t the darkest blue
Agreed.
Especially these days...
I mean, if you actually read the Bible unlike some Christendom “Christians”, it says that no earthly government is applicable to God’s government. So, this might mean that Oregon has the most true Christians.
Hey! I’m Oregonian! I believe in God! BUT I also FIRMLY believe in the separation of church and state. It was set up that way for very important reasons.
Separation of church & state 🤷♂️
Those percentages are way too high. To many American Taliban in this country.
Y'all-iban/ Y'all-Queda CR-ISIS -Christian ISIS JEM- Jesus Ending Missionaries
Utah is the surprise
Many of the Christians who live in the dark blue states on this map wouldn't consider Mormons to be Christians. I suspect that makes many Mormons wary of the concept of a Christian nation.
I've told my Republican, Mormon aunt, as she was advocating for Christian rule that most of those evangelical Christians would not consider her to be one of them. It did give her pause, but I'm sure the brainwashing brought her back to the party line.
Salt Lake is the least religious part of Utah.
Why, they probably think it should be a Mormon nation.
True. That doesn't say "theocracy" in the legend.
According to mormons they are the only true christians.
I’m actually an atheist but raise Mormon and my parents made me go to every other religion just to know snd understand other religions. I’d rather be Mormon than anything else y’all are a bunch of crazies and I’m an atheist now. At least Mormons take care of each other and other people around the world and our based on community you are hateful angry people, but then again you’re not true Christians are you?!!!
I dont know why youre getting sassy with me. I didnt disparage anybody or say anything controversial. Unless you believe it is offensive to suggest that mormons believe they are following the “correct” christian path. Isnt that true for all the various sects of christianity?
Mormons are more aware of the importance of religious freedom than most Christians, because of several factors including the fact that they fled from the US be cause of religious persecution.
One of the articles of faith, which kids memorize in church, reads:
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
I'm an ex-mormon who's kind of past hating Mormons, but I need to say that Utah/Mormons have a track record of being surprisingly progressive in some areas. In fact, Utah as a whole seems like it supports progressive ideologies while voting against its interests. Sam from the YouTube channel Wendover Productions made a video on this.
Huh, the states with the darker blue shading tend to have lower life expectancies, lower property values, worse education, less opportunities, lower quality of living and more poverty. What a weird coincidence.
They like 'em broke, stupid, and pregnant.
Tend to be "taker" states too; higher federal expenditure to tax revenue ratio.
Nothing says owning the libs like complaining about welfare while simultaneously depending on welfare from liberal states to keep your entire state government running
My fellow Pastafarians, the time is near, we will rise!
Where is the 0-10%? We must be below 10
I wish, but it sounds like you haven’t lived outside of a city in Oregon.
WE CAN DO BETTER PEOPLE!!! SINGLE DIGITS!!
One of the top reasons I live here.
We need more TST chapters!!! 🔥
I'm terrified of Project 2025 though. I'm very worried that, even in Oregon, things will take a horrible turn toward right wing Christian nationalism and evangelism. If you haven't read about Project 2025, you should and you should be afraid of it becoming real
Yeah... It's got me concerned. After these people win whatever elections they're going for, there's nothing stopping them from spreading like a disease to lather, rinse repeat. I've seen the political infrastructure of Oregon. I have concerns.
I’m surprised Pa isn’t in the dark blue. They have a bar and church on every block.
I much prefer our weed dispensaries, strip clubs, and coffee shops on every block (and I only partake in one of those).
Much prefer the devil’s lettuce over the church any day.
Def some good coffee out that way. The strip clubs? Not so much.
I've never been to a strip club. 🤷♀️
I also don't smoke weed but I fully support it being legal. Just give me lots of coffee and I'm good.
Never had a religious experience at El Diablo, I take it?
I kid, I kid. But I'll have my own religious experience, with coffee, a joint, blackjack and strippers, thank you very much.
Cannabis and coffee, the kings buzz.
Entirely Philadelphia I bet
God blessed Oregon and Washington.
i feel like 10-19 percent is still EXTREMELY high
Good news everyone!
Each state is under 50%. So there’s your evidence that this country is NOT “majority Christofascist”.
I didn’t get to vote………
That's the problem with coups. They are made by a minority and the majority rarely use their say in it until it's too late.
There's no reason why mythology ought to dictate governance
Awesome!
Why TF do they call themselves Christian, though? Their beliefs are more Jewish since they believe in the Old Covenant—the Ten Commandments—and they don’t at all follow the New Covenant of Jesus Christ and his teachings, like the Beatitudes!
I consider myself a Christian atheist bc I love the teachings of Jesus (don’t believe he was divine or nuttin) and practice those if anything.
Could you not put them on us Jewish people? We don't want them. They only care about 10 commandments. We've got 613. They are coming up short.
Yeah it’s more just awful messiah fanfic isn’t it?
Good description!
Yeah. I don’t know what to call them. No word describes how vile they are.
"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins.
So not even 50% of (any) the most religious states believe it should be declared a Christian nation.
Les gooo, miss me with that shit
I'm upset there are no 0-10% states.
I hate the south
Proud of my state, ashamed of my country.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" -First Ammendment to the United States Constitution
I’m proud of 81-90% of you.
Is there no <10% category? Zero? How about zero?
I resemble your headline and your welcome
Oregon, queer capital of the world. (I live here I can say this)
I love Yeshua Messiah, Jesus Christ. Son of God, and God with us. God is Love. Proud to be part of the minority of people that profess faith in a power greater than us.
Now, if you ask me if the USA should be a Christian nation, I disagree. It never was. Christianity, along with all other religion, is a choice. And that's part of Judeo/Christian ethics. Judeo/Christian ethics state that each person has the right to believe, or not to believe, and to express whatever they hold as true, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of another.
The Judeo/Christian ethics that this country's founding fathers built this nation upon uphold the truth that we each have natural rights that include freedom of conscience, freedom of expression, and freedom of travel. These, and others, shall not be infringed upon.
With that freedom comes responsibility, that we must all work together to protect the civil liberties of all peoples.
Whether or not someone is Judeo/Christian in conscience, that is irrelevant. Every religion is a personal choice. But each person, regardless of belief can thank the underlying Judeo/Christian culture for the laws set in place that protect their liberty.
🥹. We’re #1 ish
Just came across this post, and no less than 5 minutes ago, before I saw this, I told my younger sister I was a Godless heathen! Proud! 😂😂
Thank god!! I mean…..🙊
TYVM 👏👏👏👏👏👏
A map like this is why I moved from the South to Oregon
I should move back there some day. Y'all ok with Californians moving up there?
As long as you don’t park in the fast lane
Move wherever you want to, I love this state so I don’t blame anyone else for wanting to live here
We did it MFers
At first I thought this was a map of inbreeding frequency among first cousins.
I'd be curious to see a chart of what percentage of the followers of the most represented religions in the US think the US should be made a <their faith> nation. I'd hypothesize that the percentage goes up as the representation of the religion goes up, assuming that less-represented faiths might be more self-aware, or naturally less evangelical (Not to be confused with literal Evangelicals).
thank god
Hell yeah my dudes!
It's.... beautiful. There's hope.
That means only 27% at most should be voting for trump
Rare time Utah is right
Never woulda guessed Massachusetts. Liberal albeit very Catholic.
A lot of the Catholics I know are surprisingly very Liberal. My guess is they just don’t like the way evangelicals do things and try to keep the attention off of themselves.
Representing your neighbors to the north, we see you, and you rock.
🤘🤘🤘
Oh boy-That'll be in front of SCOTUS next year !
Religion ruins everything man
People have lost the plot. America is only 63% Christian and the number is set to dip below 50% in the next twenty years.
Seems to me I heard that Oregon has the lowest church attendance in the country.
Godless heathen, constitutional originalist. Whatevs....
Incoming American inquisition
This map isn’t a proxy for religious devotion - just look at Utah. I’m a Christian in Oregon that attends religious services every week. There are many Christians who are tolerant and respectful of other religions and believe in the Constitution with separation of church and state.
Happy to help
At least Oregonians have actual sense
Seems like most on here don't like Christianity.
Seems that way, because on Reddit most atheists are actually anti-theists. In that, you're absolutely right.
In this specific case, it's important to note the distinction between opposition to a "Christian nation" and opposition to "Christianity."
The map only indicates the former and says nothing about the latter.
Not at all with me, I love everything about the Bible and the story of Jesus, but I'm not at all about pressing others to abide by my religious walk. Theology is unique to each individual, and forcing our ideologies upon others does no good. In no way, shape, or form am I gonna be one of those religious zealots that feels as though everyone should conform to their ways or expect others to see things how I do.
"Love thy neighbor as yourself" is not over-rated.
It has just as much right to take part in the creation of our laws as Islam does.
That is to say none.
I don't dislike Christianity, I dislike Christians
What % nazis
Likely about 0%
Hell yes!
Oh, everybody born before Jesus is in hell!
Good real estate map!
Makes me proud to be an Oregonian!
this is so disturbing
💙🤍💚🌲
I just keep being me!
Would be interesting by county
How did the north west counties get so religious. I thought all of this crap came from the bible belt
Represent! Where is the graphic from?
I'm surprised at California
For all we know Oregon is 19% and California is 20%. No idea what the percentages actually are but the ranges are sort of too wide for this kind of map.
That pesky little middle part of the country
I'm proud of Utah for not being dark blue on this map.
For how religious that place is, it's surprising
Source of this map?
How the hell is Utah not higher? Perhaps Mormons aren’t as crazy as I thought
🤙🏼
So basically well under half the population.
We’re turning into a minority ran shiria law country.
Fight back with everything you have guys.
If I remember that xkcd right, they did a study about some baseline questions for poll takers. Only ~85% of people polled "felt positively about kittens".