www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/nancy-pelosi-says-biden-trump-take-mental-fitness-tests-rcna159993
Nancy Pelosi: It’s a 'legitimate question' whether Biden's debate performance was a 'condition' or just an 'episode'
News (US)Uh wow. I was kinda on the “no way he’s gonna step down” fence. After seeing this quote I feel like it’s actually on the board.
If he does, it'll be a while before it's announced, I doubt he'd step down before a replacement was decided
I still don’t see a path for it to be anyone but Kamala, so the only “finding a replacement” they need to do is for VP
But hey what do I know
Elizabeth Warren just waiting by the phone getting madder and madder
She should grab herself a beer while she waits!
Regular Tuesday.
Going for someone that’s mid 70s just wouldn’t be the move.
Presidential ticket hotswap in July? Believe it or not, she has a plan for that too
Two women would be a bold strategy.
Chicks dig executive power
Kamala is friends with Josh Shapiro and it'd be the easiest layup in the world to win Pennsylvania with him on the ticket.
Not to mention, a running mate who's Jewish and vocally pro-Israel would a) rebuff the antisemitism of certain wings of the pro-Palestine left, b) reassure Jewish voters on the subject while also firing them up (especially since Kamala Harris, while supportive of Israel after 10/7, has been more vocally critical of their conduct in Gaza than Joe Biden), and c) make for great bait for the GOP's groyper wing that would turn the focus of antisemitism in this country back to the neo-Nazis on the right instead of the campist tankies on the left.
Plus, Josh Shapiro is a White male Governor from Pennsylvania, which balances the ticket nicely with a Black/Indian female ex-Senator from California. It's like Obama/Biden '08 in reverse. (EDIT: not "in reverse", given that in both cases, the pick is of a normie White guy to reassure voters about the ticket being headed by somebody who isn't a White guy. It's just the Obama/Biden '08 formula, straight up.)
Here’s how Bernie could still win it
Bernie winning because he was appointed by Democratic elites in a secret meeting would be a killer plot twist.
Bernie is the deep state.
As much as I don’t like his politics, I kinda wanna see it for the memes
Vindication for Bernie Bros
Kamala is the only one who can use the funds in his campaign. Anyone else would be starting from $0.
That was so two days ago, just officially rob a bank
I’m finding it hard to believe for the DNC to not be able to use Joe’s money for a new candidate.
There have to be relatively easy instruments to use.
No. They cannot. They are limited in coordinated expenses to 33 million dollars. This is Federal Election law.
Spend all of it on attack ads
I thought the DNC could use the funds? Like there's some kind of round about way that they could still be used generically for the election? Source: somebody said that somewhere online lol
Kamala probably loses. I think Dems have to go to a convention. - but it could open up a fiasco.
Imagine that a bloc of the Dem base gets pissed off about the convention and it’s not democratic enough and esp if there’s some kind of race-related bruhaha, and then the whole exercise looks like a big waste.
If it’s Kamala we’re guaranteed a Trump presidency
I don’t see it way. From the polling I’ve seen, they don’t see it that way either.
It will be Hillary all over again
Harris is the only alternative if Biden decides not to run again (I'm 99% sure he is running again). She's the only one with Democratic legitimacy (no chaos of the contested convention), the only one who can directly access the campaign funds, and it would be horrible optics to set aside the first woman VP especially towards black voters.
I can’t prove this, but I think people just didn’t take trump seriously enough.
I think in 2016, if you held a redo election a week after trump won, Hillary would have won pretty comfortably.
We know what a Trump presidency looks like. People just want a warm body as president, that’s all she’s have to be
I prefer Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, or even Newsom. However, Harris can still articulate and prosecute the case against Trump. Biden can’t do that. I think that’s all we need. Trump is the most unfit candidate in the history of America.
If he does, it'll be a while before it's announced
Which is insane. Every single day he doesn't drop out is a massive loss in media attention and energy.
Nah if they're working on a plan and counting heads it's better to wait. If he steps down from the campaign with nothing to announce about the convention it just causes chaos and wild speculation.
Chaos and wild speculation is already happening.
First and foremost people just want Biden to step down. The media attention regarding the nee nominee will be a net positive because it's what people want.
There haven't been many post-debate polls yet. The few we've seen so far show some loss of support, but the calls for Biden to step down will get a lot stronger if more evidence of him not being a good candidate comes out.
There haven't been many post-debate polls yet.
Internal polling was leaked. It's a slaughter. He's down 10 nationally. He's down in all the swing states and CO is in danger of flipping. That's why we're seeing these comments from Pelosi.
Do you have a link to this? I'd like to check them out.
Every article I can find is behind a paywall
https://puck.news/biden-plunges-in-swing-states-in-leaked-post-debate-poll/
Wait wtf is that last URL lmao
don’t worry about it
Thanks.
This stat is scarier that it would appear to people who aren't experienced with how politics work:
40% of Biden ‘20 voters now say he should end his campaign, compared to 45% who say he should stay in the race.
That is astoundingly bad. Most of the time, 95% to 100% of previous voters think their candidate should stay in the race. The 40% can't be compared to his race against Trump because it is a measure of something totally different.
I wouldn't expect Pelosi to say something like this without a reason.
But it's also not clear to me what that reason would be, regardless of whether we're ridin' with Biden.
Is it intended to be soft pressure on Joe without completely undermining him? Is it prepping voters for a change they've already decided on? Is it her knowing that he's not usually like this and setting the scene for a redemption?
Is it intended to be soft pressure on Joe without completely undermining him?
Yes, and it provides cover for more politicians to go public should he need more pressure.
If the democratic leadership all reached out to Biden together in private and told him they believe he should step aside, is there really any chance he’d say no?
I’ve always felt like this second run was largely because he and the Dems felt that he had the best shot at beating Trump. If his party came to him and said we no longer think that’s the case, I don’t think he’d put up a fight.
If thats true, then the public comments we’ve seen so far might be targeted more at getting other democrats on board with supporting the change than it is about pushing Biden to quit.
Even then it seems like that's a process that could happen behind the scenes first. But who knows. One thing I learned at a public-facing organization that got a lot of attention, is the public is usually pretty far off on wtf is going on internally.
But it's also not clear to me what that reason would be, regardless of whether we're ridin' with Biden.
She probably has cognative issues like every other democratic that thinks Biden dropping out would be smart. But maybe they just have an episode.
How can life long politicians not understand that the party in charge saying "our guy, who still is ruling this country is mentally unfit to govern" is an instant game over.
It's already game over based on internal polling leaks if Biden stays in; at least you have lottery odd chances if you swap candidates this late in the game. You go from 0% to ?, which is still better odds then 0.
Nope you do not. If you think anyone who would now need to start their campaign would be better off, I got bad news for you.
Look at the historic example. When did the ruling part won an election when their ruling president dropped out of the race?
Truman did not run again and the dems lost, LBJ did not run again and the dems lost. They might have lost regardless but "the president polls low, let us not let him run again" did not work.
A new candidate would be less known, would have less resources, not be directly elected by the dem base like Biden (the establishment might pick someone who is less liked) and it you would admit that the guy you ran last time and who is still ruling is not fit, which would reflect badly on the party.
You would need a super charismatic and fresh poltician. A figure like Reagan or Obama and to maybe offset the loss.
Biden can win. The debate is only as important as the democratic party makes it.
Harris is the de facto choice already with some name recognition and resources.
Who is not super popular or charismatic. All the other problems sitll exist. Changing the candidate because some recent polls are bit worse than the polls a few months ago (many stayed roughly the same) is a baid decission months befor the election.
Harris draws within polling errors with Trump.
Also, did you not see the internal polling leaks? It's dire.
Making any political decission because a few % of an opinion poll months befor the election is stupid. The polls would inherently be different if she would be the candidate.
The idea that thinking about someone being a potential candidate is the same as the situation when someone is the candidate is completely disconnected from reality. Reality would be different if she would be running and so would be the polls.
The polls only say that the votes think that they if she would be the candidate they would be more likely to vote for her. Ignoring the fact that all the negative press and attack adds would focus more on her.
Also what if they change them out and she loses the second debate? Change again? This is completely stupid.
I’ve been saying the last couple days that if Biden were to be replaced, it wouldn’t be immediately obvious. Democrats have to do PR/damage control until they figure out what to do, if anything. And we don’t know what’s happening behind closed doors. For Pelosi to come out and say this is a big deal.
Definitely- if party leadership and donor base is able to get Biden to voluntarily drop reelection then it’ll be a delicate dance at the DNC to have a drama free hand off to Kamala. They’ll have to line up endorsements on all wings of the party: Sanders, Warren, AOC, Blue Dogs, hell even Manchin might have to be involved somehow. High risk high reward
Well, high risk anyway
Is kamala really "high reward"? Lol
High reward for the Donald.... but let's face it no alternative candidate has the grotesque charisma of Trump from a centrist point of view.
Kamala Harris would 100% lose to Trump. If she is the alternative keep Biden.
Pelosi is warning Team Biden to come clean on his condition, full disclosure. And the concerning part is that as a senior member of the Dems she doesn't seem to be in direct contact with Biden himself. She's definitely worried they're pulling off a Weekend at Bernies.
The democrats will definitely lose if he does.
Pelosi doesn't say this without Jeffries being ok with it. Says something that the new generation of dem leadership isn't 100 percent in their guy.
Quote from the article
`She emphasized that Biden must show what he's like unscripted to the American people and said her recommendation is for him to sit down for a few interviews with serious journalists in which any question is fair game and Biden can "just sit there and be Joe."
"Not one, maybe two — a couple of those. I think that is essential," Pelosi said. "I think it is essential for them to do that."`
Yeah Biden either needs to do that or step out.
He should have done it by now. The fact that he's been hunkered down this whole time suggests his team doesn't think he can.
God, 2012 Joe would have killed for the chance to do extended interviews
Idk how they haven’t done more of this.
Like can he not go on Colbert? Or 60 minutes
IMO we are starting to see some movement in the Democrat establishment, calling for Biden to step down.
Pelosi saying this is a huge deal and I highly doubt she decided to come out and make this statement without talking to some big voices behind the scenes.
I also don't think it's a coincidence that this happens the same day that Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) calls for Biden to step down.
she’s pretty far down the list of people I expected to be breaking the pact of silence
She was a big supporter of Feinstein. If she’s saying this about Biden…
Feinstein’s seat was never in danger of falling to Republican hands. Biden, on the other hand, is definitely going to lose
*More likely than not. Let's not resort to hyperbole.
Biden, on the other hand, is definitely going to lose
This is a serious overstatement. The election is still a coinflip that will come down to <100,000 votes in 3-4 states. People didn't like Biden's performance, but it didn't push many to Trump because he was the over the top liar he always is, and that people are sick of
It's more like needing to win two coin flips in a row at this point. Nate Silver's model has Biden down to 28%, and that's with it still considering the possibility the post debate support drop is noise
538’s current model is very heavy on “fundamentals”, basically saying “the economy is strong on paper, so the incumbent should theoretically do well”.
They fully acknowledge that if the model was polls-only then Trump would be a heavy favorite. And most other models (including Nate Silver’s) have Trump far ahead of Biden.
They're overstating the case, but a number of models disagree with the "coinflip" assessment. The Economist has Biden at a 1 in 4 chance and Nate Silver's model is similar (Would link it but it's behind a paywall).
With the way things are going it's moving away from coinflip and more towards rolling 6 on your die.
You missed the current narrative of this sub, it’s one big circlejerk of talking about Biden stepping down.
This place is getting astroturfed pretty heavily at this point.
If that’s true, why do all the other models, which do not incorporate massive fundamentally motivated discounts to polls, sharply disagree, as well as more than half of Democrat?
This place is getting astroturfed pretty heavily at this point.
By whom? Can you name a few of the astroturfers and link to their comments?
I find those numbers very, very hard to believe.
My thoughts exactly
If they're putting big dog Pelosi herself out in the ring that actually gives me some hopium. She would not do something like this if it wasn't tactical.
Exactly. Nancy was (and still is) extremely sharp by the time she passed the baton over and can say that she has a strong moral foundation over her claims because she did train and ultimately hand over leadership to succeed her.
Bruh Nancy is basically the only person I trust in the dem establishment.
She passed leadership at the exact right time and Jeffries is clearly benefiting from it. She’s still been hella based poking Winnie the Pooh over China. She’s calling out Joe for his malarkey.
It infuriates me but is not surprising that the 'progressive left' has hated Pelosi more than just about anyone in the Dem establishment excepting maybe Hillary, when she's basically the actually-best politician in my lifetime (I'm 43)
thats a hilarious take to me given that as leader of the caucus dems managed to repeatedly fumble elections against some of the worst candidates in recent history.
I don't think you know what a Speaker of the House does, nor the failures of the men around her that she got blamed for. " repeatedly fumble elections against some of the worst candidates in recent history." She's not the head of the DNC, you know that, right, nor the campaign manager for any presidential candidates...
For instance, she passed the ACA in a house in which those voting for it knew it would cost them their jobs. She also passed an ACA with a PUBLIC OPTION. It didn't make it through the senate because Reid and Obama didn't do Their jobs.
She raised a lot of money, thats great and all, but the ACA has never impressed me, it obviously did not address any of the issues at the root of our awful healthcare system, and passing a DOA public option is a big meh for me.
Comparing her to Reid though, yeah shes head and shoulders better, and I can certainly agree that she had to wrangle a bunch of self defeating narcissists to get anything done in the house.
"passing a DOA public option is a big meh for me."
It died on arrival, it was Obama and Reid's fault that it was dead on arrival, not Nancy's.
Also, sincerely, step out of your privileged bubble if you don't think the ACA was a big f'n deal.
I've been poor recently and only had healthcare because of it.
Millions of people with pre-existing conditions have been able to get healthcare because of it.
And dozens and dozens of members of congress knowingly lost their jobs voting for it.
idk, trying to control my emotions, but it utterly pisses me off that people think something that saves lives and leads to a massive increase in QOL for a lot of vulnerable people is NOtImPressIve.
Kindly check your privilege
Nancy passed the public option. She's not responsible for the Senate.
I wish we lived in a proper country where she could've been President, she's unironically my favorite Democrat in leadership of this century
Prime minister. We’d need a parliamentary system to make her work.
I’m pretty sure she would’ve handed over leadership earlier had AOC not taken out Crowley. She needed the extra time to get Hakeem Jeffries secured in place before stepping down and shifting to a consigliere role.
On contrary, if anyone has to speak up, it needs to be the Floor leader. Is her duty to voice the concerns
Her job is to provide cover as a veteran Democrat who has nothing to lose at this point. She's not the Speaker, so she can cover for everyone as senior leadership.
I would imagine this is probably happening from the deluge of post-debate polling data that came out today.
The funny thing is that TIPP, which had the most accurate polling in 2020, still shows Biden up 2 points.
There was something in another thread about that data largely being collected pre-debate. Can't say for sure, but probably good to double check the dates.
Ya that one was 26-28 which means it got pre debate though ipsos just dropped (conducted over the weekend into Monday) and Biden and Trump are tied at 40.
Interestingly they also put Michelle Obama’s name in there for shits i guess and she got 50 with Trump at 39. So uh I know it’s one poll but Obama has a 11 point lead on Trump.
Maybe people really do want the Obama years back
I would not be upset in the slightest with her, but unfortunately she’s always randomly tossed into the polls and tells everyone she isn’t interested at all.
mrs Obama, we have the offer of a lifetime
how would you like to drag your entire family back into a political environment that is somehow even more toxic and hostile than it was when you were First Lady?
it’s a win-win. If you lose, every single person across the political spectrum will now blame you for everything trump does over the next 4 years. If you win, you get to take the worst attacks possible from the same political party that insists you are secretly a man
Yeah I can see why she says no thank you
Well given that’s she’s polling 11 points ahead of Trump maybe people should try and convince her.
I think she has stated like 1,000 times that she never wants to be around politics again for the rest of her life.
The most recent TIPP poll was before the debate, June 26-28
Internal polling must be BAD. Apocalyptically bad.
Some of the internal polling was leaked. He's down 10 nationally.
I wish she was more forceful. We need her, Clyburn, Schumer, and others to come out publicly. Rip off the band aid.
I imagine that the statements will become increasingly forceful over the next week. The polling is looking atrocious.
Eh. All depends on the recovery. He was ok Friday and is doing an interview this Friday.
If he can do that he can do that. Everybody can be sick once and a while.
What he can't do is hide and what he better not do is try to barnstorm the country and collapse.
I am a ride or die Biden supporter who doesn't want him going anywhere, but if Clyburn starts saying stuff like this then yeah RIP he gone. Clyburn is the kingmaker in the Democrat party right now and is the only other person outside of Biden himself who actually gets a say.
So who in that scenario replaces him that can get a presidential campaign going in short order, and who can also beat Trump?
I believe Harris is the choice. She would be the least divisive, I’d imagine. Her polling will improve and she is a strong campaigner.
she is a strong campaigner
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She was fine as a VP candidate on the trail, was she not? Her debate performance was solid as well.
Either way, Biden is not an option anymore. In my experience, when seniors start losing it happens more quickly and more frequently rather quickly. It’s not a linear decline.
She was awful in the primary.
Im with you though Id happily vote for harris in the general, I just dont think she has a high ceiling with independents based on her poor primary performance and middling approval.
Latest CNN polling shows that she actually is in the positive direction (as in not in the dumpster) with independents. Considering brain worm man with an insane platform somehow has like anywhere from 10-19% of the third party vote currently, those are completely winnable voters if Kamala can just steady the ship and actually put a decent face up and project strength.
She’s hardly my ideal. But if she is the only alternative then we have no choice.
I really think her being 30 years younger will be a breath of fresh air to many low info voters. There are other advantages as well, but frankly I don’t think we have a choice. Biden is done.
lol they won’t answer this. None of these people have any possible options. They just don’t like Biden.
Kamala is structurally the easiest handoff but isn't a great candidate, however she's likely a better candidate than Joe and I don't Think opinions of her are as dug in as with Joe.
If it wouldn't be Kamala, but there'd be a way to get it to be a non-Kamala person without pissing off Kamalaland (both politically and voterwise), then there are tons of good options...
Probably a moderate midwesternish purplestate governor like Whitmer or Shapiro.
I personally think it would be good to have someone who's not part of the administration since ... whether true or not, the story around this is essentially 'sorry y'all we lied to you about Biden he's actually not with it! But trust us now! Make me president!'
It's either that or Dean Phillips, who is like the only person in Washington who can confidently claim to have been right on Biden and who is almost exactly like writing in 'Generic Democrat' on the ballot... and Generic Democrat polls very well.
Would be happy with Newsom, Whitmer or Shapiro. Any of them could lose but I’d rather play to win with a younger candidate that can articulate ideas succinctly than push Biden out there.
Biden obviously is not fit for 4 more years in office.
Why do you think Biden isn’t fit? A bad debate? He’s delivered for four years, why panic now?
I thinks he’s been a great president with many legislative accomplishments. I also think he sounds much, much worse now than he did in 2020 so I fear what he’ll be like at 86 years of age.
It’s not just one bad night. There have been many bad moments over the last couple of years if you are willing to look. The vast majority of voters think he is too old to be POTUS.
It just seems incredibly drastic and risky to drop the one guy who has already beaten trump.
He’s no longer the guy that beat Trump. Go watch the 2020 debates to see a candidate that can make the case against Trump.
It’s risky to replace him but IMO it is currently riskier to leave him in the race. He’s been consistently losing in the polls this entire time and voters are giving Trump better scores on the economy, immigration and mental state for the job.
He's fit to run the Presidency. I don't think he's fit enough to be President and run a campaign at 82.
I would love to see Newson debate Trump. I have no idea if Newsom could actually beat him in the election, but watching Newsom verbally assault Trump would be great.
Whitmer is much less well known and would have to start campaigning her ass off. Shapiro is basically totally unknown to the general public. But I wonder if that matters with how unpopular Trump is. I don't know what the best option is right now, the situation is totally fucked.
The real moves are happening behind the scenes right now. Coming out in public is a last-ditch, desperation move.
Asked for further clarification, Pelosi spokesperson Ian Krager said that she "has full confidence in President Biden and looks forward to attending his inauguration on January 20, 2025.”
There’s really nothing she can possibly say to walk back this statement imo. Once it’s out there, it’s out there.
The spokesperson went on to explain Pelosi is 83 years old and meant the statement differently and oh well we are "off the record" right?
It wasn't a huge deal until his reaction to the SCOTUS decision. These flagrant attacks on our way of life, our entire political system, can't go unanswered. Either POTUS does something similarly brash with the new, assumed powers granted to him by the SC, or he waffles and ignores it. If he continues to do the latter, there are those that will step in and act in his absence. That latter scenario is something we all must strive to avoid. Basically, either the POTUS challenges the court on their ruling by practically utilizing their decision in ways they didn't foresee, or there will be a vigilante challenge to his authority on that matter. There are those paying attention to what's going on, and those that maybe rightfully believe this is a ruling that could end our entire representative - democratic institution that we've successfully operated for over 200 years. IMO, the justices are playing with high explosives, and have placed themselves directly in the crosshairs.
The ideal reaction to the SCOTUS giving unethical powers to the president isn't to use them.
I got downvoted for this in another thread, but apparently everyone's ok with being Lelouch Vi Britania.
He should not have used these new powers to flagrantly break law. He should have forcefully condemned them and called Americans to the task of voting to prevent someone who WILL abuse them from coming to power. His address was weak and ill-suited to the massive task at hand. That should have been a look-America-in-the-eye, pick-yourselves-up-and-FIGHT speech, and instead it was more sleepiness, and no questions.
The POTUS is only 'sleepy' if you're not paying attention to what's being set up.
I think that's enough internet for you today.
To deny the implications of this ruling is to lie down and worship at the moloch of despotism.
This is the sort of hysteria that the right likes to call T-D-S
…if Nancy Pelosi, of all people, is saying this to a reporter…
God damn. They must actually be having these conversations, and it has to be going all the way to the top.
If Pelosi's saying this I genuinely think that he might indeed step down. And I hope he will.
It's never been more joever
Kind of wild just a week ago, people with concerns about Biden's age were getting blasted (like Jon Stewart and detractors on this sub) and now its starting to be mainstream that we should probably not run an 82 year old candidate.
Its a shame, Biden, I still believe is sharp on policy but his age is affecting his public appearance. We can hate the median voter but they're voting based on his appearance. And he is old. He's done more than enough for this country.
“Here’s how Bernie can still win in 2016”
You jest, but I’ve seen exactly this take on Twitter/X.
They’ve been saying it ever since he lost the nomination to “crooked, elitist Hillary” because nobody wanted an elderly commie. Also they all stayed home and didn’t vote in protest which is how we got to where we are now.
The Biden Bros won't like this
Oh god fucking damnit we are really going to fuck this up aren't we.
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This is a polite and politically smart answer and not an indication that she has doubts about his acuity.
Yeah exactly. Did people read the article, or just the headline?
Having episodes is a condition! You either have to betray Biden and take his keys away or lie your ass off about how amazingly brilliant he is and his senile moments were just the cough medicine! But this statement right here won't work.
Wouldn't she know? She sees him more than we do.
Good. Thank God some high ranking Dems are saying this out loud. Something that should have been done months ago.
Amazing how many people are responding to only the clickbait headline without reading the context of the article. 🙄
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"I think it's a legitimate question to say, is this an episode, or is this a condition? And so when people ask that question, it's completely legitimate — of both candidates," Pelosi, still a prominent member of the House Democratic Caucus, said in an interview on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports.”
"Both candidates owe whatever test you want to put them to, in terms of their mental acuity and their health — both of them," she added.
Asked for further clarification, Pelosi spokesperson Ian Krager said that she "has full confidence in President Biden and looks forward to attending his inauguration on January 20, 2025.”
Maybe y’all should chill a bit? Seems like a more general comment than Pelosi indicating that Biden should step down.
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Christ this is the dumbest thing I've read on here.
Trying to contain spam because everyone is posting 18 links per hour about the same thing is not "blue MAGA" which isn't even a thing. Calm your tits. Most of the sub and even mods are on board with the idea of Biden getting replaced at this point. There's no conspiracy going on lmfao.
I feel it is a tough thing for mods. They want to avoid this whole sub solely consisting of US election news for the next few months, which I think is a good idea. 50 threads solely about the bad debate performance aren't worthwhile either. Now, these seem to be new developments, but gauging that is not that easy either.
Now watch this drive!
The mods aren't even blue MAGA! They are regular red MAGA communists who support Trump! They want Biden to remain the nominee because they think he would be easier for Trump to defeat!
They're going way overboard though. They said the Lloyd Doggett news would be the only thread of the whole day. One per day is ridiculous for such a big news thing, especially when they decide to leave up a meme of Beto and Biden eating Whataburger.
3-4 per day, provided they're somewhat unique from the previous ones posted, would reasonable IMO. This Pelosi one should stay up, as should the post about his planned interview and rallies this weekend.
Mods removing links being spammed over and over again is one thing. The first time this article was posted, it was deleted and the discussion was directed to the thread about Lloyd Doggett calling on Biden to step down. I'm sorry but Nancy Pelosi indicating that she is not fully behind Biden deserves it's own thread because it's a far more impactful development. It's important for people to be able to see these stories as they happen given that this it's ongoing and developing.
Is it actually important? You could read a summary tomorrow would that be worse than a live ticker?
Besides the question is whether people should read about it here in this fashion.
Is it actually important?
One of the most prominent Democrats in Congress questioning Biden's cognitive capacity is probably the most important development since the debate. Yes, yes it's very important.
Any time anyone needs a reminder that so much of this sub is temporarily embarrassed Republicans, just look at how this statement is upvoted.
For fucks sake, come on. That is really silly.
Ah yes, because this sub definitely didn't have people supporting Youngkin in 2017. There definitely weren't a bunch of posts about the 2012 presidential debates right after Russia invaded Ukraine. No sirree, definitely only succs to be found around these parts.
The first thing didn't really happen. For some reason it is incredibly pervasive that people here supported Youngkin, but that hasn't been the case.
I've reached out to the offices of my deep blue congressman and both senators (one of whom happens to be Schumer) to weigh on this topic as well. Not exactly shit really, but it can't hurt.
Cracks are starting to show.
Starting?
Yeah, until now most of the complaints have been from people without much power or influence. Pelosi actually has some juice.
I know we shit on betting odds but
If Pelosi is calling for it, it looks like it’s a done deal.
If Pelosi is saying this, alea iacta est
Maybe this is just naive, but I honestly believe swing voters would look favorably on democrats for hearing complaints about his age and taking drastic action in response. That would highly distinguish democrats from republicans, who would never abandon Trump no matter what. I imagine many swing voters appreciate when politicians aren’t treated like untouchable monarchs.
This is really rich coming from the woman who's *literally older than Biden*
One who stepped down from her leadership role to pass the baton to the next generation for the good of the party and the country.
I mean fair. Age affects us all differently though
Are we wheeling out Kamala?
Jesus Christ.
Who’s her VP gonna be? Jeff Jackson???
Nah.
Imagine if she picks Joe Manchin as her veep. Clean up by grabbing all those conservative leaning swing state votes but ALSO get him out of the Senate, lol.
Kamala picks Joe Manchin as VP
Wins the presidency
Dems maintain 50 seats
Joe Manchin is the tie breaker. Somehow, the Manchin cycle has returned
Honestly, I wouldn’t be mad at all.
Considering the 26’ map, I think I’d be okay with this.
Joe Manchin is not seeking reelection to the Senate as is
That would be hilarious but probably just give his seat to an actual republican at that point lol
Joe Manchin
Trade an 81 year old president for a 76 year old VP!
It’ll be Roy cooper
It's Oprah time.
I'm a bit ignorant on how the DNC selects...Why can't it just be an open convention, let whoever wants to throw their hat into the ring do it and then they vote like at the libertarian convention? Is that not a thing? Idk how it works...but why would it have to be a closed door situation?
Mark cuban would win. Need to find a reality tv clown of our own.
Bruh
It should be Gretchen Whitmer. She can pull this off.
They’re going to eat their own aren’t they
It's Joever.
The liberal media spun Biden's cognitive and physical health as a non-issue, told us clips were out of context or AI or the such. They did a good job in managing it. They took shots at Jon Stewart and such for raising concerns about his age.
But at the end of the day, we all saw an elderly man struggle enormously for 90 minutes on what was essentially the world stage. You can't spin that (heaven knows they've tried).
My grandfather is a touch older than Joe, but walks and talks similar, he repeats himself and can be sharp on certain things, not so much on others. I wouldn't want him to endure what campaigning is, let alone the hardest job in the world. It's time to step down Joe. This doesn't have to be a fight. And for the love of god stop taking advice from Hunter. Relax, retire, spend time with your family.
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