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Still not going to go mainstream, until buying a headset is as essential as having a phone. We still have no real need for headsets.
People said that about the mobile phone as well. There will come a time. But it will take a while.
Tho it’s gonna need to be implemented to be as durable small and light as a pair of glasses so you can effectively wear them daily
Google Glass might make a comeback. I'd love a HUD, once there are useful apps
Google Glass was great idea with terrible execution. If it wasn't for the privacy concerns and janky UI, people would be all for it
Not even gonna lie, when I first heard about and seen what the Google Glass looked like I thought it would be really cool
Yeah it sounded quite nice. I'd love to do a facial recognition Linkedin search to see what that one coworker's name is! Still, doubt we'll get to have anything like it in the next 10 years.
That’s an interesting use case lol - I too am terribly inept with faces
Like cookie from Ned’s declassified
I think the privacy concerns would make it unappealing for regular everyday-use, but I could totally see something like that eventually becoming a staple in workplace PPE. The augmented reality could highlight safety hazards, provide real-time data like measurements, temperature, translations/captions, help see in low visibility situations, etc.
I wear prescription glasses and I'd definitely pay for something like that with my lenses
And some hefty local AI to make it have a user friendly voice interface.
But that's not a vr headset anymore. It's glasses on steroids.
Yeah but smartphones did everything a normal phone could but better and eventually it became a all on one device for stuff we used to carry around regardless.
But VR Headsets? I fucking LOVE my quest 3 but VR gaming at the current state is just more immersive but way less convenient gaming.
It's awesome that I can just turn my body to turn ingame, it's awesome that I see nothing but the game, it's awesome that I have really good representation of my hands ingame....
But at the end of the day, when I come home from an 8 hour shift I just wanna relax, I just want to sit in my bed and stare at my TV, and VR gaming is a LOT of things but not relaxing, not for me, not for most people and I think the headset size will.to little to change that.
We had phones before mobile phones, nobody said that we dont need wireless phones.
Mobile phones were a natural evolution of phones. But what is a headset? What does it replace?
Only the XREAL type of stuff actually seems to try to replace something; the monitor.
A headset basically is a hybrid between a TV and a console. That’s probably why it isn’t catching on as fast.
I would honestly love to put on a headset and be shown a giant 30" widescreen monitor. But not for 3500 USD
But why? Wearing something on your face will never be as nice as sitting at a desk and looking at a screen in front of you.
How many people love wearing masks? How many people love wearing glasses? How many people love wearing headphones? In general people hate things that are on their faces
Yes, that's true, but my desk is tiny (1.2 metre wide), and a virtual monitor would fit everywhere. It's more about space than comfort.
Oh, and I do indeed love wearing glasses, it's just so much more practical than contacts. Not to forget that they hide my dark eye circles and protect against blue screenlight. Same goes for cat-eared headbands ;)
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Why wasn't 3D TV natural evolution of TV? People said that internet never going to become a thing, so 3D TV must thus become a thing.
Mobile phones were always wanted. They were too bulky to be considered practical for a while, but people still bought them because they still offered them something they didnt have access to before. As soon as they became small enough to be carried around as easily as a wallet, they became far more viable and were bought by far more people.
We don't have a need for AR to begin with, and they won't be mainstream until they are as seamless as wearing glasses. It's a gimmick more than anything right now, and they don't offer anything new besides freeing up your hands and feeling like you're in the future.
Companies don't want to put in the work competing and innovating when no one is going to be buying the product until it is perfected. I think it will happen one day, but not as fast as mobile/smart phones.
Your logic isn't sound though. People also said the time of the Zeppelin will come, or any other tech that didn't pan out. Some become mainstream, some become nieche, some are forgotten.
Yes, but you don't look stupid using your mobile phone.
And what about the 1,000's of other products that people said will have no use that never did?
Just because phones took off doesn't mean that any futuristic shit we come up with will too. It could very well fail miserably because people just don't like putting stuff over their heads outside specific gaming contexts and riding motorcycles.
3D TVs are dead until we find a way that doesn't require us to put anything on our heads.
Yes. I was there for this. And nobody ever needing a home PC nor more than 512kb of RAM.
But all those things had proven utility. It just took many years and major marketing efforts to convert people.
We went from flip phones to AI in the same period of time VR has been trying to be a thing. It’s not. Not in its current form. VR has more in common with smellovision and 3D TVs than it does PCs and cell phones.
AR has potential. But companies can’t expect to make bank every year they release new model. Functioning wearable HUDs will become mainstream in vehicles first, then eyewear.
Wearing a head dome though, not really.
The experience has to be truly amazing, such that people are drawn to using it. It can be expensive, but it has to be really fucking amazing. As I understand it for this product, the experience is kinda meh.
It's already taking too long. I remember buying the first Oculus about 13 years ago. It hasn't really evolved. Okay, the resolution is better but other than that it's still gimmicky. They're too big, too expensive, not user friendly and there are way too little real use cases in daily life. I see a parallel with 3D movies by the way. I don't know anybody who likes it.
That's literally the point they're making. It's not useful enough in every day life currently as just... Having unobstructed eyesight. If it had some great life changing stuff in it like phones have revolutionized communication and information sharing via social media, text calls and also entertainment via streaming, social media, stuff kike yourube, access to all the world's music... Plus they look goofy as hell.
Who said this about the mobile phone?
Cell phones became public in the 70's, only turned essential in the late 90's. So it's at least a 20 years gap before VR becomes essential (if it ever will be)
No one said that. Having a wireless phone was always going to be a hit, they just needed time to get smaller. Obviously the 80s car brick phones were ridiculous and also expensive, but once mobile phones became handheld it was a game changer. My family immediately bought the Nokia when it came out in 2000/2001 for travel purposes/emergencies. Mobile phones were a natural progression and replacement of home phones.
What does a VR headset replace? What purpose does it have? It's extremely useful as a training tool for 3D spaces. It's fun for some games. But I don't see the necessity of it like mobile phones had.
3D and curved displays entered the chat
Most people I know still don't have a smart watch. The use case for them just isn't there. They are not interested enough in their heart rate and don't see the need to read texts on a super small screen on their arm.
Not everything is useful. A smartphone is.
Well, mister, how else to force you to watch 5 minutes of unskippable ads every time you going to toilet? Or how else could poor ad networks sell 70% of your FOV? How can advertisers be sure that you not skipping ads for their product that they paid for, for you to watch, unless you wear a headset that can physically track where you looking?
No real need, my ass. /s
MFers in this thread acting like the Quest 2 & 3 haven't sold like 30 million+ ish units. 👨🦯➡️
until buying a headset is as essential as having a phone
Not gonna happen in a million years. People just don't like it. That's why 3d TVs died. And I hope that's the case for another million years, because fuck this dystopian isolation, real life is better.
You're both wrong. Headsets are not trying to become the next phone, and they're also certainly not the next 3D TV.
They could become big, but it's not like the requirement for being big is to be at phone levels of ubiquity.
I dunno, people with glasses struggle with the headsets, a lot of people wear glasses. Ya sure, not a problem if you put contacts in, but a lot of people dont want to do that, so why would they invest in a pair of goggles to do their daily stuff when they can already do their daily stuff.
i can use my glasses underneath my Quest2 with no issue. I gotta admit, tho, that while the glasses themselves are quite thick, the frame is basically wire-thin. And there is a slight scratch in the areas where the glasses and the headset touch each other. But overall quite usable.
I was mindblown by the fact that i need glasses in the VR world, tho. My logic was that, as the lil screens are basically 1cm away from my eyes, and i struggle only with objects far aeay, then i should see the screens with no issues. But apparently the vr objects have similar focus... physics? As in real life.
At first, when i tried em with no glasses, i though the headset had shitty resolution, ngl
Yeah I only use my Quests for gaming. That's it.
It’s like Michigan. Sure it exists, but you don’t pass through Michigan. It’s not on the way to anything.
The Apple Vision Pro is the same. Sure it exists but you don’t need it for anything.
Gaming is VR is very cool but in current state is lackluster. There are no good, high quality games on VR best to my knowledge.
There are no good, high quality games on VR best to my knowledge.
There are multiple VR games that are straight up GOTY contenders. It does lack an overall solid AAA library, so those are definitely exceptions.
I get retinal migraines (a special kind of visual impairment) that get aggravated from screens/monitors for too long. But VR screens have zero effect for whatever reason. So I need it to browse the Internet with ease sometimes. Very niche but still
It will never be mainstream because it will never be essential
Meta quest 3 being 500$ is a great step in the right direction. Plus it's a standalone console with AR capabilities and truly wireless unlike the apple vision pro. And the vision pro can't even play games, im surprised a single person on the planet bought the apple vision pro over the meta quest 3
The Meta Quest is also way better for VR porn which is important for many adult buyers
You can get a meta quest for like 400 bucks. It's like the price of a console. I just don't think vr is that appealing to most people. I have vr and like using it, but it's more or less a novelty than something that's a game changer. The one game vr has that is like a real big budget AAA game is half life alyx, and that game literally had my jaw on the floor at times, but there just isn't anything aside from that.
I see the Vision Pro like the first iPhone. Expensive and a bit of a toy, but once the tech gets cheaper, and the kinks get ironed out, the money will start rolling in.
What is entry level to you though. For me it's somewhere around 120-150.
And I bought my quest 2 for 300 in late 2020, not bad. There are probably more cheaper options, but I don't know what they are currently, haven't looked.
Seeing people buy this as their first VR thing is very dumb.
You should always start with cheap to know if you are even interested in this tech.
Yeah, that's entry level for me, as well. 300 is mid-range.
Wdym? Of course the Vision Pro is cheap, it uses apple pricing. Make a product, calculate appropriate price, double it. And DOUBLE IT!
By that time, there would probably not be phones anymore.
They’re already working on a successor + a Apple Vision (non pro) which will be slimmer so there is that.
Also, not gonna take off until they’re as easy as using glasses. Nobody wants to walk with that big ass thing around.
At that price it was definitely not aimed at mainstream by any means
But more like apple fans that's allready have all apple products so why not get this one
Btw. Did they said how many pcs they make/sold?
It’s not failing so far……… just like the Apple Watch, the iPad, and more, they were all over priced and didn’t necessarily were mass adopted within 6 months. It’s too early to tell. Especially when Gurman says they are working on a cheaper version. And just like iPhone, iPad, Mac: everyone who bought pro renews with pro, whilst those who purchase base models, find themselves buying pro within the decade.
So yeah… very early to tell anything
VR and AR won't become mainstream until buying a headset is as cheap as buying an entry level phone.
I don't fully agree with that. I think Zuckerberg is largely responsible for the VR crash.
It was going good and gaining traction, then Zuck came in selling cheap garbage headsets with terrible specs and inflated the market with them. This created a situation for VR devs where they could keep progressing or they could release patches for existing games, and new game releases that were just straight up lower quality so they could be accessible by the wider audience with shit headsets. This also opened the floodgates of shit games for VR being released because they could now compete with the newly lowered bar.
Now VR is where it is, most of the best games have been ruined and abandoned, fucking Alyx is still the pinnacle of VR quality and people are calling VR a passing fad again.
Is VR in a better place now, or when the $1,000 Index was king?
It’s a more extreme version of the first iPhone. The market at the time would not tolerate a $600 phone when everyone was getting free or subsidized phones for less than $200 on contract. Even some smartphones were that low. Only when the iPhone 3G release at $199 did the iPhone market share explode.
Same will happen here. Vision Pro grabs a lot of attention but not a huge hit. Actually just tried it out at the Apple Store the other day. Very cool but omg heavy. A new cheaper and lighter version needs to come; I argue it needs to be less than $900 to be truly competitive otherwise this will exist as a “hobby” for Apple (and maybe they’re ok with that). Maybe in different colors like the AirPods Max
Being greedy stabbed them in the back
Google cardboard has entered the chat
I know a guy who buys every single Apple product that Apple releases, he literally sent me a photo of them all laid out. However he is made of money, I have no idea how but I think the guy became a software engineer from the age of 5 and is ready to buy a house at the age of 21.
I’m interested to know if he’s going to buy the Vision Pros.
Funny that was actually how they were doing vr for some. Cardboard headband you slide your phone into.
Idk I have zero interest in VR unless they integrate 'mind control' into it.
For decades people have been doing experiments to move wheelchairs or use flight sinulators by wearing a helmet that detects electrical signals.
Some woman on twitch/yt made her own helmet, where she can effectively control elden ring gameplay with her mind. (No brain chip, no shaved head btw).
Honestly if they managed to make one of those theoretical 'full dive' ones where you can just lay down and feel/interact with it like its a real world? I would be all over that. Until then its kind of cool, I've tried VR, but it's just not that exciting at this current stage personally.
They can cost whatever they want if they actually make something that justified using them for more than a couple afternoons to make your friends jealous.
"bUt iTs rEvOlUtIoNaRy!!1!"
I have a pair of nreal(changed name to xreal i believe) AR glasses. They are a bit thicker than sunglasses, have solid AR capabilities, and apparently have hand controls but i cant fogure put hoe to do them. Some sources say i need a dev kit, some sources say you need to enable it, some sources say it just... dosnt. It wouldnt really matter thp cus i cant for the life of me figure out a real use for it. I sometimes conmect it to my computer and play on what feels like a 60"tv and its solid quality, but... thats about it. Thats the only thing. But even then i have an insane monitor so im loosing out on quality and frames using them. Its a cool gimmick. A thing to play with here and there and show off but it has not utility. It has no real use. It dosnt really make anything better or easier and id hardly add entertaining unless you that desperately need to watch youtube 24/7
With the company that sold pc accessories for 100s of dollars, they thought they would get away with it again.
It’s not stealing if you’re gullible enough to buy something just because “it may get better with future updates”
Nail on the apple fanbois head
If they try to sell you future products, best response is "yeah, I'll buy it when it becomes a present product"
My response that I use in my head is "I refuse to pay you, just to become your test subject"
First gen products aren’t ever worth it
Agreed. Also, products should be judged for what they are , not what they can be in future.
Heh. Anyone who bought that only bought it for the logo
Yeah man it’s early adopters only now, gotta be on board with suboptimal usability. Personally I’d love to play with one and I bet I’d find a use for it, but only if I had a ton of extra cash. It’s more of a toy than a tool for now
Yeah. Also, it's just too heavy and big to be taken outdoors. It will either have to become very cheap or very usable and I don't think it can achieve any of the two in the near future.
Yep. Most major tech reviewers I’ve watched have even said, at some point in time, to buy stuff based on how it is now, not what they’re promising with future updates.
Mkbhd and Mrwhosetheboss? 😆
Overly engineered
To hard to code for
To difficult to build replacement parts
Design is flawed to the point it breaks itself.
Apple stamp of approval
When a corporation becomes a country, does it still count as a person?
No. It counts as people, duh! Next!
*too
This kind of people try to fill their self-love hole with Apple products, and they get overpriced products instead. Not a good transaction if you ask me...
Sounds like a Tiger tank.
You bought it no one stole from you
Funny thing about this is people got it because....apple fanboys.
For 300 bucks you could have tried out Quest headset and realised VR, while fun, is not practical or convenient to use.
I'm sorry.. but 4k?
Why would anyone buy that? You can buy a complete high end gaming PC AND a high quality VR setup for that price.
I'd ask what kind of moron would buy something like this at that price, but I suppose that's the norm for Apple customers.
Speaking as someone who purchased this thing on behalf of my coworkers who wanted it (with boss' approval and company funds) a few months ago:
They wanted it because they were cooking up some 3d modeling projects and apps for medical/research purposes, and the higher ups were willing to pay up
Basically, it's a really freakin expensive dev kit that you can wear on your eyes, and the boys in the lab are pretty satisfied with it overall for their use cases (especially since they arent the ones who had to foot the bill Im sure). But it's definitely NOT something I would ever buy for myself
Isn't for this type of usement better a HoloLens 2 industrial? Like Apple Vission had even problem that can happed get heated then it start save power, drop on 720p and have higher lag, that is why a lot people get VR kinetose from that, that problem have not glass VR headsets like Hololens.
i had a stroke reading this and it seems like you had one writing it. I did make out the word hololens tho which is a good point
I remember spending exactly 300 euros for my quest 2 when it released. I could buy 13 Q2 headsets for friends or family till I reach 4 000 euros. The price of one Apple headset, insane.
or about ten quest 2's
I’m an apple customer but I’m still on IPhone 11, the last iPhone I had before this was an IPhone 5C, I’m also still on the first Apple AirPods 😂
They should have sold them at a loss for $1000, then sold the stand and accessories for crazy prices.
Or sell it at loss to gain popularity and then ramp up the prices, as everyone else does
Apple, selling at a loss? Pigs will fly before that happens, lol.
Wait what, it got canceled?
Pretty sure a class action is gonna happen for a 4000$ product discontinued not even a year after its release
Not cancelled, just flopped worse than Zipdrives
Zip drives, the product that sold very well for some years until usurped by cheap CD-R (and people littering the planet with single use plastic discs)? That zip drive?
Rather buying this vision pro of apple product $4000 why should I buy $1500 pc it will work 4 years and can store lots of data and play games on it without any compliants and rest of money I will save for better terms.
I think that peoples are not ready for this product right now they good with there smartphones
4 years? Average lifetime of PCs according to Microsoft is 7 years.
But if Apple forcing you to switch Mac after the 4 years well ....
Maybe it’s best not to trust the manufacturer on how long their products last. My surface did not make it 4 years let alone 7
I upgrade Mac book every ten years
Apple didn't steal 4k from you. You wasted 4k.
I could’ve visited the USA with his $4,000😢
“stole”
“one is born every minute”
Yeah its usability. I love the quest 2 but my main issue is the battery dies in like 2 hrs. If u have it plugged in then its like 3 hrs. Most ppl dont use it that much but sometimes i want to watch a movie and it just dies...
Don't let those clowns that were using it in public to see this, they still believes it gives them some kind of social status
Nah you scammed yourself if you bought that.
Yes blame apple for making you fall for it's clear scams.
This was definitely a missstep IMO. The high price means it will have a low adoption rate which means low developer support.
Bro pack that thing up real good vacum seal it think of it as investment
*how you gave away 4k for goggles
Lmao, nah ur just dumb
Same fate as the Virtual Boy
Apple did not steal the money from you.
You freely gave to them.
There is a specific distinction.
Apple did not steal anything from you. You gave these money to them willingly. You deserve that.
....how do you milk a sheep?
Maybe let's not remember it
It's failing for 2 reasons
- Not cheap enough
- No sword art online lmao
Must have seen you coming
You know how goofy you look wearing that in public lol
No shot you actually bought one
I thought apple users were ok being stolen from.
Apple users...
They not stole it from you, they taxed you for being stupid.
Redditor buys equipment he had no use for. Blames company. Declares product dead in a fit of pique.
It should be regular glasses size. That’s when I will consider to buy. Not current helmets
Stole? Hahaha
How Apple stole 4,000 dollars from me
Did they steal your intelligence beforehand?
Wish they would make vr sets for people with glasses
+1
a fool and his money are soon parted
Is this not like the third attempt in 30 years to make VR go mainstream? Headsets are uncomfortable and for people who wear glasses impractical.
I wear glasses and the headset I use fits over them. I also have prescription lens adapters so I don't have to wear glasses at all.
2nd attempt, and the last one was spearheaded by very small companies with little funding, and they gave up after only a couple of years.
I like VR and I use Apple products but this was priced way outside of my comfort zone for such a device.
Remember Zune?
They said it was a bargain
did not follow the news about it... was there some "canceled" news or something like that ?
Can‘t remember the original articel, but they actually gave up on the Pro-Model and trying to get it down to a more even price with the iPhone Pro-Models. It will pass some time though, as they don‘t want to cut off many “features” and the tech isn’t quite cheap.
I think it’s about lesser high quality materials and -like restrictions in one or other use case.
Don't worry they'll make the pro vision appl pro vision 2 vision deluxe pro 2 soon with one feature tweaked so it will totally be revived then
I don’t think they planned for it to be popular, it seems like a prototype and they just released it to get some money back while they developed it
All it needed was a more competitive price range and it could have done much better
Oh yeah, not really. I still think it was a joke that got carried too far.
Remember what now?
I don’t
Remember? Not until you posted here, no lmao
I am Marked as safe from this loss
Don't get anything new and innovative from apple they haven't done much more than trap people in their ecosystem since they ran out of jobs ideas
It's an unofficial prototype, we all saw this coming.
I see problem in technology itself. Modern high-budget VR headsets look like old CRTs monitors.
HTC and Nvidia working on make it smaller but unitll it will flat thing on your face, it will be really just bad developed high tech gear.
Stillborn product, it’s impossible for everyone to wear this and there’s also a battery on the wiring
I mean buying without researching the product is kinda on the consumer
Am I missing something? Apple is still selling them.
I’m very surprised by how little content Apple has pushed out since its release. It’s hard to see the commitment when they, themselves, aren’t releasing much. Can’t rely on 3rd party developers to do all the heavy lifting.
They could be absolutely crushing it right now with spatial content, but they just haven’t released anything. How many people would have liked to watch the Super Bowl in immersive 3d? Eras tour? Olympics? So many missed opportunities.
Never even heard of it
Didn't Apple just drop a software update for it? And many reviewers said it's really cool.
But unfortunately the problem solely lies with the ridiculous price of $4000. But I guess it may be bought and used by companies and workplaces only.
The vision pro was helpfull as an example in a few university assignments i wrote...
Lol
I’d buy one for £500, just as a gadget to use a few times a year. It’s not worth more than that, doesn’t do enough
Famous white elephant.
Who?
This is a collector item #copium
Lmao the marketing on this thing for like the first month was insane. Everyone on Reddit was talking about it. Unless they were all shills.
Died quick when the marketing budget ran out I guess.
How you we’re stupid enough to give it to them you mean?
It was never for the mainstream, it was advertised as not being to play games. It’s meant for companies or those who want a, cheaper, quality AR experience. (Varjo’s xr4, the best of AR and VR graphics, costs USD$7000 + USD$1500 yearly subscription)
I’d say still the Xr-4 is better in every way, but perhaps you could do great things using the Mac and the apple vision pro.
The ads for the vision pro are too unrealistic, with unrealistic prices.
It doesn’t says it’s for companies but… yeah, it’s mostly for companies.
If you want a good, relatively cheap VR experience get a Bigscreen beyond, Valve Index, Oculus Quest II or Oculus Quest 3 (which seems promising to AR).
Switch 2 is going to be a modern Virtual Boy and That's when vr will become mainstream
Apple didn’t steal it, you gave it. Stop paying out the ass for incomplete tech.
Bro this product died out so fast, I mean I never saw it in person because it’s not come out in the UK yet but would be interesting to see if anyone gets it and walks around with it.
Your first mistake was buying an apple product.
They really fucked up not including a snorkel.
I still be proud of my Nokia 3310.
Extinct without a trace
that is joke vision pro
How much? For the same price, I'd overeat myself to death and not only this would still be a better purchase, I'd also be way happier with the food than you with whatever that is.
Who?
I don't really think people would pay more dollars to experience how phone is like in front our eyes
Dm me. 24M
I’m not investing in this kind of tech until it’s half brain implants and half contact lenses.
What u mean „stole“? U bought it right?
Not owning it but I still think some of the technical specs and advancements are really good and will help to improve coming vr generations, just not for 4000 (based on current inflation)
Correction: How you let apple steal 4000 dollars from you, you dumb sheep
Funny sense ypu where not the target
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With such a high price, Vision Pro was always destined to fail. VR and AR won't become mainstream until buying a headset is as cheap as buying an entry level phone.