Effect, meet cause.
Fuck around, meet find out.
Captain Miller, meet Private Ryan.
Hotel, Trivago
Obvious, meet Captain.
Sherlock, meet NoShit
No Shit Shakespear!
James Bond, Bond.
Selma, this is Louise
Plain, meet Sight
Chew 5, meet gum
Meet canyon
Sense, meet common.
I think your brain is my hero.
James Francis Ryan?
Yeah all those people who are unable to move and need medical care will find out. Let's be real, abortion restricted states pay shit compared to blue states
So weird that medical doctors don't want to practice medicine in states where practicing medicine is illegal
Older Americans with medical needs without Doctors. What could happen?
Natural selection
Unfortunately, this hits young mothers first.
There’s a reason young people leave
You can add rural areas of red states too. Here in Kansas our representatives continue to refuse to expand Medicaid so hospitals are closing in rural areas. I'm in a city so I don't care. The rural rubes do it to themselves.
Let them suffer they voted for this
Law, meet Ethics
It’s okay! Republican don’t want health care anyways. At least not in my state. Rural counties voted against Medicare help and welfare as they all drown.
Funny how they polled people who overwhelmingly said no to welfare, overwhelmingly said yes to help the needy. It's all about how it's worded for morons.
Republicans reply: "Duh, the cruelty was the point."
Now they're gonna have to pass a law that says if you wanna be a doctor you can't leave the state.
Which state? The one in which you were born? Or went to undergrad? Or went to medical school?
Last one most likely
Not happening unless the state wants to pay for medical school. Which is also not happening.
I mean either way it’s unconstitutional
Well, the supreme court would disagree with you on that, but sure... Probably should be.
ArtIV.S2.C1.13 Right to Travel and Privileges and Immunities Clause
It’s not an amendment, it’s enumerated in the original text.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
You act like they give a shit.
No win no fee lawyers would jump on the opportunity for an easy payout.
Supreme Court interprets laws, that's it. It's not like Clarence is gonna be bounty hunting 😂😂😂yall crack me up.
Wasn't abortion a constitutional right at some point?
No. It never was. It was based on the interpretation of right to privacy including medical privacy. Treating abortion as a medical procedure and then interpreting right to privacy in thay govt cannot intrude on that.
You think the supreme court cares about the constitution?
Wow state controlled medical schools? Does it smell like communism or is it just me? Oh my bad, I smell the strongest stench of irony.
Never stopped them before.
They’ll tie it to “student loan forgiveness” like they did with teachers…and then basically screw over every person with loopholes so they barely forgive any of the loans.
I can see some states subsidizing it. For a while my state had a program where they’d pay up to like $5k a year up to 4 years (just short of basically paying in state tuition completely at that time) of your tuition if you were going for a stem major. The condition was that you’d be in a program that gave you classes to become a teacher, and you had to become a teacher and stay a teacher in that state for at least 4 years after you graduate. The school you’d teach at would also be chosen for though.
But the states that are passing abortion bans are the same ones that are defunding all levels of education
True, but people tend to change their tune when they start to see consequences. My state passed abortion restrictions and I believe most of the school systems here are getting budget cuts as a result of more students doing homeschool, online schooling, or private schooling. Even then though they’re still keeping certain programs in place meant to keep educated workers here.
I don't think they will change their tunes, just double down it's the other guys fault.
It's amazing how much shit in Texas is the fault of the Democrats, who haven't won a single state wide election in 30 years...
That's the magic of combining as many possible blue votes together as possible while making sure as many counties as possible stay red.
The whole country is stupid though. I mean who would look at Trump and Biden and go "Yep 2 of the finest people America has to offer" yet here we are... AGAIN!
It takes a long time for people to see consequences and accept that they are, in fact, consequences.
Yea, a parts of my state scrapped a bunch of their natal care stuff and maternity care (hospitals could no longer maintain staff if I remember correctly, and independent doctors stopped offering certain services). So in parts of the state people have just been driving across the state border to receive maternity care.
My late wife had a program like that. The government paid for her entire Masters degree on the condition that she'd work for the state for five years.
She did five years and two and a half months as a sexual abuse investigator for child protective services. Read that as "The mandated five years, plus the two weeks vacation she go each year tacked on to the end so they couldn't claim she'd shorted them on their return." Then I think she stayed another few days, like single digits few, then she quit to go work anywhere else but there.
These deals are (or at least were) called "underserved posting contracts." They are there to fill jobs that nobody wants to have, but somebody needs to do.
I believe the positions you’d be taking as a teacher were in basically middle of nowhere areas. Extremely rural, and at that time probably an extremely low cost of living areas as well. You’d get paid a lot less than what you would be making in the better funded school districts though.
Getting paid less is one of the features of the program. You find out you're getting even lower wages than the poverty level wages of other teachers just AFTER you are obligated to do the job for some specific amount of time.
This, like the soul destroying task my wife had, is another reason they can claim they are recruiting people into the much needed jobs, while they are actively conditioning them to hate it and leave at their first opportunity.
5 k. That's cute. First that doesn't cover much towords undergrad nowadays when it's like 30 k a years. A medical education is pretty close to 250 k. That's a huge percentage of a state budget. No state is doing that.
My medical school is now charging over $200K for 4 years of TUITION and fees. This doesn't cover living expenses. As a medical student, you must have a car. You do not have access to dorms for this school.. Your living expenses will be another $100K. That tuition alone has outstripped inflation from when I graduated by 100%. I have no clue what the state gives to these schools, but it's all a scam.
That’s fair, but at that time it was $5k of like $6.5k a year tuition. If it was still going on now, it would be $5k of like $9k tuition (it’s like $8.7k a year at that uni now). They had a loan option to supplement it (didn’t require payments if you were a teacher and a longer service time). It was an extra $5k. Definitely nothing compared to the cost of medical school, but if a state is desperate enough I can see some form of subsidy or medical loan payment assistance happening.
I'm fairly certain a bunch of provinces in Canada will subsidize your medical school provided you work there for some time afterwards
Future headline: Why is Gen Z avoiding top medical Schools in red states?
I've never left my state of Denial.
Nope. The residency matching process doesn’t work like that. Medical students are just not ranking or applying to residencies in those states.
You’re statistically more likely to stay in the region you did residency in. I didn’t, because my state wants me dead for simply existing, but most in my residency class are in the state they did residency or fellowship in…or near their family.
I guarantee you Louisiana is working on this right now. Only Louisiana residents can go to LSU medical schools. I'm sure they'll require them to stay in state as part of the contract now.
So now all of the doctors are trapped in NY which has abortion rights and solid pay? Oh no....
The state of Denial.
The state you were conceived in, that’s when your life began duh
What about those of us in a state without a medical school? 😫
You joke but. Someone I know was recently in a high-level meeting with State of Oklahoma representatives, who were having a heated discussion about why they can't keep OU and OSU grads in-state (especially the highly educated: vets, doctors, etc). This is doubley true for graduates who are not originally from Oklahoma- they leave pretty much immediately.
The reps were baffled as to why graduates were leaving. The conclusion to the meeting was to stop offering as much financial aid to out of state students - hoping that having more people from Oklahoma graduating would balance the dramatic brain drain.
Quite literally "am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong" playing out in real time.
All I can think is "those poor aids", because my mother used to work in the provincial government and has a lot of extremely frustrating stories of representatives absolutely refusing to listen to her explaining the obvious and then being baffled what the problem could possibly be, and I'm sure those reps have similarly frustrated aids trying to desperately to explain how stupid that is and these old badgers just go "no no you don't understand"
Ah yes. Because what has *ever* gone wrong with stopping 'your' workforce from leaving the state...
Underground railway for doctors next?
I would definitely help with that.
Then goodbye colleges in those states as they will lost tons of students
No medical school will ever lose tons of students. There are so many students who would agree to almost anything to get into medical school
Not saying these are the folks we WANT in med school, but they will have the bodies and tuition.
"Shockingly states with more med schools have more practicing doctors"
Living in the area of a newer medical school, I can say that the entire first class is entirely on someone else's dime. None of those students are paying to get their MD. The catch? They all have to stay and practice in this area (in a red state) for at least 5 years.
Doctors with borders
That wouldn’t be constitutional
Oh hey, a thing everyone knew would happen happened.
These are Republicans remember? They need first hand experience like getting COVID. Can’t trust all these so called experts while a person selected by other ignorant people with their only qualifications to decide these things are “I’m elected by the people”.
Yeah, completely incapable of learning from other people.
State legislators after people move out of the state because they made it uninhabitable
West Virginia just keeps doubling down on culture war bs. Except it’s all republicans so they have to out Trump the other which makes it even worse.
Pretty soon red states are going to be doing pap smears with the garden tools in the Walgreens pharmacy
But .... Why? If you don't trust medical science, it has No purpose to practice medicine
If you don’t screen for cervical cancer no one will die from cervical cancer. Take that big pharma.
Or, just do what the state of Iowa did during COVID…stop reporting the numbers altogether.
Obligatory link trump: “if we stopped testing we’d have fewer cases”
Lmao I forgot that was a thing, thanks
And if "God's will" is a legitimate reason for something to happen, you have no reason to use modern tools, medicine or really do anything at all
And IVF is just doctors, playing God at the birth end...
Nah, they’ll just let people die.
For Jesus.
"God's plan"
It's a lot of bad things that
I just clenched my legs reading that
That's really funny... and sad. Isn't it though?
I feel like the ultimate rule of this world is that we reap what we sow.
If they are going to continue to pass horrible laws that makes the lives of doctors and teachers, and anybody else who is trying to provide a Public good absolutely terrible, they will simply not have them in the future.
I am currently in a state that does a lot of dumb shit, and if I ever move, I know I’m going to a state that gets it right. Other people who haven’t settled down yet, they’re not going to settle down in places like that. It’s going to be a brain drain. in the end, it’s going to be the problem of every day citizens, and that’s the part that is a shame. Politicians trying to score points and win elections, but all they’re doing is disinvesting in the future of their constituents lives.
This will be all of our lives with Project 2025.
Yup, currently live in Florida, this state is going to be nothing but pensioners fighting tooth and nail to keep their property values and stocks high while everyone <65 is going to move out of everywhere but, like, Orlando and Miami, which are already expensive as hell to live in. The whole state is going to turn into a retirement home with no one to do anything for these awful people. We already have stores and restaurants open at weird times because there aren’t enough people willing to take shit pay to keep them open when they’re supposed to be.
“Well, I can practice medicine in the state that believes in medicine, or the one where my patients tell me I’m going to hell every time i have to explain that babies don’t come from storks…Hmm….”
More than half of Texas’ counties don’t have an OB/Gyn. And that’s only going to get worse. The largest state in the contiguous US and a state larger than a number of countries. And you have to travel that land to get basic women’s care.
Fucking morons.
texas isn't the biggest state, Alaska is
Fixed, and funny enough, Alaska has more ObGyns per capita than Texas, so there’s that
As well they should. Women should avoid those states as well.
Here's the thing, though: I don't actually believe any of the politicians who scream about these things mean what they say. They'd scream anything if they thought it would get them elected. The larger danger is the people who don't understand that their conversations with these politiicans are just feedback loops that reinforce stupid ideas. There's so much fear in the world.
Ask any Jew and we'll tell you, when someone says who they are, believe them. These Republican fascists want women to be obedient and they don't care if they die. Nothing destroys fascism and theocratic regimes faster than educated women. And so they do everything they can to keep women pregnant. They know abstinence education doesn't stop kids from having sex, but it does lead to unwanted pregnancy and therefore more women out of school, and more poor children being born. Abstinence education does work, just not in the way they pretend it does.
Hence them not being in favor of getting rid of child brides and no fault divorce. Not to mention all of the unwanted children who are put up for adoption and then end up in foster care and then there's the foster to prison pipeline and of course all the prison slave labor and for profit prisons.
That just makes them more evil, not less. You get that, right?
It's a weird world when you have phases of evilness. Evil is just evil.
They don't believe them, but write and pass laws that actively punishes women? Quit making excuses for these shitty people
They didn't say they were without blame. They said they simply don't care and are just appealing to the moronic base.
Actually I think it’s actively more evil if you don’t believe it but still go along with it for personal benefit
Bullcrap, there's quite a few "true believers" of this nonsense that are the politicians.
They don’t believe it.
https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
I dont think most of them believe what they scream about because they just want votes. I think some do.
Exactly, bet your bottom dollar that their mistresses will all be taken care of when they get knocked up
An excellent tactic from the GOP actually. Keep old red voters inside and potential blue outside
Holy shit I never thought of it like that but that’s secretly evil genius. You can’t ever get the young vote because you’re pure evil, so push the young out of states to secure votes/electoral college.
Won't work in the south. All the people under 45 are too broke to move lol. If they paid their bottom 50% more, they would have a lot more red votes -we (the blue) might finally have enough to try to gtfo.
Damn... it is evil genius.
For a couple of years until they all start dying off.
And if doctors and nurses leave they will eventually kill themselves off. You got sick. Oh well guess you'll die.
sad thing is, it probably won’t kill them off (as we have managed to survive until medical advancements)
in the end, there might be areas that look like developing countries (or rather, “developed then undeveloped” countries), and areas that look like developed countries.
this would be absurd, but only slightly more absurd than usual, given that disparity in development between regions often happens in countries trying to become better places. the absurd part lies in the fact that not many countries actively try to undevelop
Yup another wave of Covid comes through the current vaccines don’t cover or goddess forbid another pandemic all together and those states will have mass casualties. They already had significantly higher deaths due to their complete lack of preventative measures, pair that with a barren medical system and laws that prevent or delay a lot of care for women and it will be absolutely devastating.
Red states are entering the find out stage of FAFO
The FO stage, they already did the FA
Oh give them some credit. They're still FA. I mean, they already have, but they're committed to FA as long and hard as they are able.
Makes sense. I wouldn't want to work in a hospital where I need to watch someone die because politicians don't like a form of healthcare. If I work at a hospital as a medical resident, I'm there to save people, not watch them die when there's a simple solution banned by politics.
Exactly. I think most people become physicians at least in part because they want to help people, and telling someone that your hands are tied and you’ll have to wait until their miscarriage turns into sepsis before you can intervene… can’t imagine that’s a great feeling.
I’m sure it’s also threat of imprisonment too. At the end of the day it’s a job and no job is worth going to jail for.
Not in healthcare but were already have hundreds of deaths every day due to politicians playing doctor.
The Harrison Tax Act (1914) indirectly made it so doctors prescribing morphine as a maintenance treatment can be arrested. That's how we got the DEA - to help in arresting those 'criminal' doctors for practicing medicine the 'wrong' way. This law and its successors still prevent people with treatment resistant addiction from receiving life saving healthcare (in the US).
Really scary to think that one day we might have a new federal enforcement agency going after doctors.
Really scary to think that one day we might have a new federal enforcement agency going after doctors.
It would be a whole new military branch.
Red states will get to be the worst places for education and medical care.
We already are, unfortunately.
Medical students will not go to those residencies but international grads looking to practice in the US will fill those spots. The irony of this is sort of funny to me because some of these people who want to ban abortion wanted to do so to keep white people from being replaced but this would lead to a greater influx of minorities into their state. lol
“People with brains are avoiding people without brains”
No one wants to train in a state that legally requires them to provide medical care that is below the "standard of care."
Red state brain drain
All this will do is further impoverish them, Yet they whine about welfare when they are the biggest welfare states in the Union.
Oh no the consequences of our actions
Educated people avoid backward states. Shocked!
Medicine is basically witchcraft to these idiots. Like math, science and common sense.
Amendment coming to Republican 2025 plan:
“Doctors are property of the federal government and upon graduation will be assigned to a state to practice in. Failure to comply will result in the death penalty “
That's an excellent way to make sure no one becomes a doctor.
Enter blue states now having a lot of people whose job is called “woke healer”.
Want to vote away woman's rights? Enjoy dying of treatable injuries and diseases you thinks-with-feelings-and-religion fucks.
I am sad for the ones who can't afford to leave or are children and can't leave.
They have my thoughts and prayers.
Anyone with a basic understanding of female anatomy knows these laws are absolutely horrible.
They should also do that because they actively fighting to keep child marriage LEGAL!!
Check out this POS
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-moon-gop-missouri-lawmaker-defends-childs-right-to-marry-2023-4
Directly from the Article:
"the number of applicants to residency programs in states with near-total abortion bans declined by 4.2%, compared with a 0.6% drop in states where abortion remains legal."
So, residency is dropping in all states, while the population is growing isn't that a larger concern, since that means that all people will have less access to doctors?
https://19thnews.org/2024/05/medical-residents-avoiding-states-abortion-restrictions/
You'd have to think COVID lockdowns skewed figures. Education in general got weird there for a few years
I would think that factors like education (as you point out), job opportunities, income opportunities, population growth, and others are likely to have a noticeable effect.
Turns out when you deny healthcare people go to the people who dont deny it
Every now and again the free market really comes in clutch.
Educated folks making educated decisions
My son is in med school, and he’s probably going to have to transfer somewhere out of state to do his residency. He’s afraid he won’t be able to learn what he needs to in order to take care of the women’s he treats health…women’s healthcare is still terrible in this state, and all of the decent you g doctors are going to leave. He’s saying he may not come back.
Ohh no Consequences of actions.
Even a doc against abortion should know better then to practice in a place where you don’t have control over the treatments of your patients
💯 this. As a doctor who doesn't believe in abortion I also don't believe in letting a mother die because doing what is necessary might send me to jail. There is no way to write a ban on abortion that would not put lives in jeopardy by tying the hands of doctors. I am a travel physician but I refuse to work in a state with such bans.
As a partner of someone that is going into an ob/gyn residency. We are looking for places that don’t have or will not have the abortion ban. I’m sure that we are not the only one that is thinking that thought. It will take several years to see the effect of the migration happen. But it is happening now.
The American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology, which certifies residency programs, is considering decertifying such programs in states that prohibit training in abortion and related procedures (many of which are necessary in cases of miscarriage, etc.) even where medical residents go out of state for limited training in these procedures. No medical student will apply for a residency that is not certified because they will not be allowed to take the board certification exam and become "Board Certified." Red states are becoming medical deserts in OB/GYN because the doctors won't risk prosecution and they refuse to sit by while the state ties their hands to provide modern care that is up to the medical standard of care. Idaho has already lost 25% of its OB/GYNs.
R/noshitsherlock
And exactly zero human beings with anything resembling a brain is surprised by this
We are slowly but surely having an economic civil war. We will continue to see states that protect women’s rights, lgtbq+ communities, etc. then we will have states that go the other way. Over time, you will see these most likely red states, continue to have negative economic environments and blame that on those who no longer live, work, and produce commerce there. Then…they will ask for money and support from the government.
The rich people in those states don’t care 🤷🏻 they just fly to another state to get what they want. Of course it is going hit poor people the hardest. It is going to be life and death for them 💀
That's the universal law of fuck around and find out.
In all it's glory.
They don't want a dead patient in ER on their hands where the law stopped them from doing an emergency abortion. They don't want dead patients in their practice who simply could have been saved by an abortion. They don't want states that dictate their medical decisions which took years of schooling. Those states have old white and men and bible thumpers practicing medicine without a license in their laws on abortion.
I can't imagine why anybody with a choice wouldn't want to move to a third-world fascist shithole.
When you educate and train someone for 12-20 years and then completely discount their medical opinion, they’re going to go elsewhere.
This is what voter apathy gets you: demonic leaders passing all sorts of horrific legislation designed to benefit them and make your life worse. The price of a functioning democracy is staying informed.
Plus just over half of those young doctors are female, who also need to worry about whether or not they personally might need an abortion during residency.
Not just Doctors either…the best teachers are avoiding these same states.
So states with republican control are committing a brain drain by defunding education, and pushing degree holders to other states, and now those who are intelligent enough to vote against them, can’t? Wild…
Maybe Christians should just pray when they get sick.
It’s ALL on purpose. Ridding themselves of intellectuals and lowering standards of care to make their constituents feel abandoned by “the liberals.”
Keep workers poor enough they can’t strike, sick enough they can’t risk losing what little benefits they can get, and afraid of “the others” to the point they’ll sign over all their freedom for a little sense of security.
Doesn't really matter. Residency slots are majorly oversubscribed, they are all getting filled.
Let them be treated with leeches, prayers and the 4 humours, go all in on their primitive beliefs
They might as well go back to miasma theory and start drilling holes in their heads.
drilling holes in their heads
That's what all them guns are for
Some of us are practicing medical professionals who are moving away from red states.
Enjoy going back to leeches, bloodletting, and using cowshit to heal wounds.
(It still won't be covered by your insurance)
Bummer for the idiot states that will lose doctors. Oh well.
"Medical residence are increasingly avoiding states that threaten to put them in prison".
FTFY.
Really sick of the right wing bias in media.
Imagine being a gynecologist in a dumb-ass state and a woman presents with serious pregnancy related issues that can only be mitigated by terminating the pregnancy.
And if you treated her properly, you could go to prison for ten years.
No wonder doctors want to practice in states where the government isn't insane.
I don’t blame them. I’ve read articles about ob-gyns that like to practice in red states, because they want to serve the poorest demographics, which I find admirable, but I also don’t blame anyone for not wanting to practice in a state with strict abortion bans. It’s too much of a liability
Its part of the plan.
Education leads to exponential leaning toward moderate or gasp socialist and egalatarian views. Which is quite litterally why Republican governments are softly pushing liberals out of their states.
Well their schools are already failing don’t see why their hospitals shouldn’t as well. What should happen is blue states should refuse to continue to fund these failing states. GOP the party of personal responsibility sure does love to suckle at the tit of federal dollars.
Gonna have to wait for the priest to splat water on you to be healed
Hippocrates?
What's a medical resident?
Medical student training in hospital I believe
Duh. They can’t get any semblance of OB/GYN training in those states.
Man I wonder why
Man I love nature.
It always nice to see the face eating leopards eat in the wild.
They will find a way to blame Biden and the Dems for this.
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