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No way England make the final
I really like the England team players and wish they would get a trophy in their lifetime, but Southgate definetly doesn‘t deserve to get into another final with the football he lets that class team play…
What if he does get to another final? Would he deserve to get to another final then?
Why? My issue is that England is boring to watch right now, and underperforming hard for the quality of players they have. That's how I determine for myself whether *I* think that Southgate deserves to get to another final or not.
They should be crushing everyone, but instead they're just barely hanging on. Do you want to tell me that you are happy with how England plays?
Can I intergect here. It's a good point you make, but also an important distinction to make. They are playing boring football, but they aren't performing particularly badly. You always get the impression they have another gear and anything could set that off
They were 30 seconds to being knocked out by Slovakia.
I would say yes, they are playing particularly badly.
No, I'm not. Did Portugal crush Slovenia? I'm just saying it's harder than it looks. And the players are tired. You're saying he doesn't deserve to get there, but I asked would he deserve it if he did? Or would that also be waved away as lucky? Would it be: "yeah, I know he got to two finals, a semifinal and a quarter final, but he was shit". He isn't there yet, but saying he doesn't deserve to get there when he's currently as far along that road as he could be, seems premature.
People seem to think that players who play in 5 or 6 different systems should be able to play exactly as good in a system that none of them plays every week. It ain't going to happen. We should be better than we are now, but crushing every team we face isn't realistic.
Even if we went out.. one final one semi and two quarters... Sven would have bitten your leg off for that
I completely agree.
you have summed up the problem there. None of the players are playing in a system they are used to. Surely you pick a system that can get the best out of most of your good players that they are used to, even if that means dropping some of the better players if they don't fit into that system.
I agree. It's so obvious with Trippier. If there was a left back who was good enough to play in the Premier League, they'd be coming up against players as good as those they'd be playing in the Euros. And if one of those players happened to have a working relationship with Guehi, couldn't that work?
Does every team have a world class player in every position? Or do they players good at there jobs, who let the others go and make the difference? It did seem that we were moving toward being a team through Southgate, but this time, we're back to 11 individuals. Which, reading Reddit, is what most people wanted, until it happened.
Mitchell not being in the squad is criminal. Especially after the squads got extended to 26. I genuinely can't get my head around that decision. Under most of Southgate's tenure, we didn't have THAT many really good players. We had a couple, then you had your solid reliable players, like Henderson, Sterling, Rashford etc, not amazing players but they can do the job they are supposed to do. This is the first time he has had to actually choose between quality, and he has fallen into the classic trap of just bang all the best players in and hope for the best. It's better to have a 6 out of 10 left back than an 8 out of ten defender playing out of position.