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The reason why so many “Sigma males” and “Incels” exist in the ENTP community is because we’re bad at Se
Debate/DiscussionBut those contrary to popular belief rhetorics LEAD to incel like behavior right? Thats my entire point behind saying they think theyre outside of the societal norm and struggle with grasping with reality.
"Struggle with grasping reality"
I think theres the fundamental misunderstanding- to ENTPs reality is ever changing and fluid. When you say we struggle to "grasp reality" i don't think that's the correct way of thinking about it because our problem is we have the ability to grasp EVERYBODIES reality at the same time and we're cursed to see EVERYONES perception all at once- we OVER grasp reality. that gives us the ability to tackle the same problem 50 different ways.
We get indoctrinated because we attend the cult meetings. If other mbti's actually took the time to listen to incel rhetoric or were raised on incel rhetoric they would be just as susceptible as us. We don't think we're outside of societal norms, we want to understand the people who are and through listening to those people sometimes we get dragged into their beliefs.
We care to understand our opposition and we welcome people to challenge us. We're the ones who step into the ring with the incels and sometimes we get our asses handed to us. We have the most contact with the opposition to we're at the most risk of getting "turned"
Are there many incels in the entp community? Cant say I noticed
I have yet to find tbh
Entps who cant pull? Where lmao
Im saying that there are a lot of entps ij the incel community not incels in the entp community lol. Can I get yalls opinions on this?
No we can’t because we aren’t aware of this fact you claim to be true, and see no causal correlation whatsoever.
I haven’t ever met an ENTP who isn’t charming and successful in dating at least to some extent
I don't think that's how Si or Se work, but I'd prefer someone else explain it :/
Can't relate, I don't think I ever hold on an opinion and expected same with everyone.. Si is more like when I'm stressed I just try to be more organise and do my task and have horrible anxiety other than that there isn't much about my si
Se sounds autistic the way you present it. And to be honest, I haven't seen many "misogynists" or "incels" in the community. Everyone has their own standards and such, doesn't make one necessarily a member of one of the groups you mentioned.
A lot of the people in subreddits that have incels are ENTPs
Well, not more than in other mbti subreddits I think.
"Se is being realistic. They take everything as it is. E.G: “A kiss is just a kiss. It is not a complex tactile exchange of emotion in which two opposite parties sexual attraction increases for one another.”"
BTW, how is this argument for Se? For some kiss might be an exchange of emotion. I am missing the point how would that indicate non-incel.
I’m arguing that Se is being more realistic rather than subjective. For example, a wooden chair. An Se user would just say its a chair. An Si user would say its a random arrangement of wooden pieces tied together by bolts and stuff. See the difference? Now, the Si user would take that past experience/situation of the chair and formulate an opinion that everything is a random arrangement of particles and parts rather than whole objects.
Who on earth would look at a chair and say “it’s a random arrangement of wooden pieces tied together by bolts and stuff”?? I don’t think you’re describing an ENTP I think you’re describing someone mildly to majorly autistic?
I kind of see both sides of the wooden chair dilemma
Also, "For example, if someone is always being mean to a predominantly Si user that Si user might think “theyre just an asshole” instead of considering that maybe that person is being mean because the Si user offended them in some way. See, Si is more self centric and based on your own perception rather than reality." wouldn't this be a Fi, Fe?
Not familiar with those forums, but how would you know they are entp?
They have a reputation of being ENTP-like
I am sure they are debating their incel matters alot, but what else?
They are debaters. I cant say much else you can just tell theyre debaters by the way you converse with them.
Yes that is the whole point of a discussion forum. Yet not everybody who debates is likely entp.
Question, do these guys ever honestly try to see things from a woman's perspective, during said discussions?
Most incel/mgtow I engaged with were INTPs and INTJs.
How are they being typed, though? Are they seeing the stereotype caricature and claiming it because they want to feel a certain way (ahem)? Or are they actually considering the cognitive function stack and how they fit into that mold while being self-aware enough to honestly recognize their own patterns?
If anything, I think the core notions that those philosophies tend to revolve on(power, authority, masculinity or whatever) are more likely to not appeal to an ENTP, because of the predisposition to be disassociated from society and disinterest in the organizational structure purported by them.
I've never met an incel entp; I have met an infp though
I was literally a social pariah (aka most UNpopular kid in school) when I got my first gf, I was about 14 years old at the time. Incel is not really a word I would use to describe someone (me) like that but if you got a good definition for it, im all ears lmao
Why are you acting like we’re si doms? Based on your thoughts here wouldn’t this be more true for ISTJs and ISFJs? Personally I score lowest on Si & Fi, with Se following close behind Ne
I don't agree. Honestly, I haven't seen many incel ENTPs in my life, on the contrary. Yes, ai've seen some ENTP assholes who talked shit, but that's because they thought they were being hilarious - or they just have a bad filter, something that happens to immature ENTPs.
ANYHOW, The ENTP's constant search for probability and exception doesn't fit with extremist ideas in general - I'm not saying there aren't extremist ENTPs, on the contrary, they must exist, but they are simply unnatural.
Sometimes even I need to abandon my own logic so I can define good and evil without having to ask very in-depth questions that would result in very complicated ethics.
For example, an Entp can create several possibilities about a person.
I find it extremely difficult for the average ENTP to watch a video on tik tok and automatically decide that ALL women are trash.
I don't think we have many such people in our community, at least from my biased perception.
I’m not reading that novel
So all this time I've been looking up to entps? No wonder I'm down bad for this type
We can use Se confidently but just not very tactfully. So it makes ppl hate us lol. But I don’t think that many of us are incels. I have met a few tho.
Anyone can be involuntarily celibate if they are bitter about being rejected. Any type can be this way.
I see you’re positing a theory, but what would you do with this information if we all agreed this is truth?
Probably, but on the flip side, taking everything as it is is a sign of dumbness and people can easily use/manipulate you
I think ENTPs are generally more attracted to abstract, eccentric and contrary ideas. We are the ones who are willing to sit there and give everyone a genuine chance, including the tin foil hat lunatics. Our openess and curiosity makes us more vulnerable to extreme ideas because we actually are willing to subject ourselves to ideas that challenge our and societal beliefs.
While other people will hear the Incel rhetoric and immediately shut down and leave the conversation, we will actually sit there and ask "why do you think that way" - "but what about this" - "yh but have you considered x y z" - that's a circumstance that VERY difficult for us to walk away from. We engage in that debate and even though we're known to be debaters we can loose them through being ill prepared and not well informed and if you've lost a debate to an incel that insinuates the incel is correct in your eyes.
We're not particularly susceptible to incel rhetoric we're more susceptible to contrary to popular belief rhetorics because we're willing to hear them out.