Very Disappointed in Blizzard

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It's official that Warcraft 3 Reforged gets more support than D2R. They release annual balance patches for WC3R (the PTR for the most recent patch is up now) but we get nothing.

I get it you want us all to switch over to Diablo 4 and buy season passes. But, cutting support for this game isn't going to accomplish that. Make Diablo 4 a game worth playing, then maybe I would be interested in playing it.

I bought this game as it seemed like it was the last decent release from Blizzard in a sea of disappointments. To me it was Blizzard's last chance to win back some good faith. Then D4 came out and they dropped support completely.

I'm sure I'll play this game more. I've played D2 on and off since it came out when I was in Highschool. But the way they've treated D2R since the D4 launch has convinced me this is not a company worth giving any more money to.

in diablo2by MulletPower

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enjoyinc

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The game has been fully completed for well over a decade. The fact that we got sunder charms, new runewords, decent bug fixes, and new build diversity to an already perfectly finished game is awesome. It isn’t D4 or most other modern games, it doesn’t need active development. The extra development we’ve already gotten is awesome. Hell, the remaster alone is awesome.

The game is fantastic in the current state it’s in, and really doesn’t need any other changes, to be frank.

Also, this game costs like 13$ USD on sale.

Helicopterop

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The only thing I really want is stackable runes/gems and maybe a legit loot filter, until then I'd rather just play PD2.

The graphics in D2R are great, it's hands down one of the best remasters ever done, but the QoL and added features in PD2 are too much to pass up for me.

hpdk

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stackable runes and gems would depreciate their value immensely. Stash management is part of the game and should remain so in my opinion.

Helicopterop

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Runes in PD2 have pretty much the same value as they do in D2R. It's their rarity and usefulness that make them valuable, not the space they take up.

TortillaTheHun52

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I don't get the argument that stacking runes would decrease their value. I could see it decreasing the value of low runes, but nobody is dropping High Runes & Mid Runes because they don't have inventory space. They just make mules. This would cut down on the need for dedicated characters as mules, which then means you have more available character slots.

anormalgeek

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Warcraft 3 released in 2002. That is their point. They are perfectly able to put some effort into old games that got rereleased l, but are choosing not to with D2R. A few new runewords, or buffing old legendaries is all it would take. That does NOT take a lot of dev effort.

Zealousideal_Hope649

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You do realizing you're responding to a post telling you that they did do some support and some new runewords when trying to say they didn't?

anormalgeek

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I'm not saying they didn't do it. I'm saying they should keep doing it. Like Warcraft 3 gets.

The point is that it should not be a one and done thing. It's not about selling more units going forward, it's about building brand loyalty and having a reputation for quality. Something Blizzard used to have falling out of their asses, but that they've steadily pissed away over the past decade.

SlixPix420

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PvP got fucked in this remaster but sure the game is in a fantastic spot

invidious07

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Wtf are you talking about? Wc3r is older than d2r.

MulletPower

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There was more long term support for Diablo 2 than for Diablo 2 Resurrected. They supported the game for only a year and a half and now have it in maintenance mode.

It's fine that you're okay with a subpar product, I'm not.

SuperMetalMeltdown

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Or, you know, you could do the sensible thing and consider Resurrected as part of the Diablo 2 long-term support.

Shmimbadad

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Subpar? Because it's not being constantly changed every few months like a live service game? Gtfo.

Azurehour

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Nah d2r is forever a blizzard dub and the only way they could fuck that up is by changing it

finneas998

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They already changed it quite a bit and quite successfully. There is definitely more room for improvement, and it wouldn’t take much development time.

Azurehour

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Yeah until they keep “improving it” until we get a bunch of mosiac classes and the game plays like open battle.net for the price of two gul runes. No thanks.

anormalgeek

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Well, D2LOD is still around if you want that.

I think adding more times, rebalancing old legendaries, adding new rare prefixes, etc. would be very low cost, but would make things far more interesting.

After leveling every class, multiple times, I WANT some change.

Azurehour

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Ironically, d2LOD is around with plenty of mods to give you exactly what you want, since YOU want that.

Shmimbadad

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That's what news games are for. Or do you seriously expect to play one game your entire life, and always have something new to do?

anormalgeek

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Do you? If not, why would you care?

I enjoy the core of d2 better than later Diablo games or other ARPGs so I keep coming back. But I would like some variety.

I'm not asking for a whole new expansion. New runewords, updated stats on legendaries, and some new rare affixes would be VERY low effort.

And in the future, I'd be a lot more apt to buy Blizzard if I saw that they'd regained their prior reputation as a company that did so.

Shmimbadad

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They did that. For 20+ years. And a massive graphics overhaul on top of that, making it look as good or better than modern games. I just don't understand how you can possibly want or expect that to continue forever. That's not reasonable. Games can be "done". That's okay. It's actually better, most of the time.

liveuptoit

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My brother in Christ, you and everyone else complaining about no new seasonal content need to understand that this is how the game functioned for the majority of it's proverbial lifetime prior to the release of d2r - fresh ladder resets with occasional big fixes and minimal changes.

The game is complete. Even prior to the release of sunder charms and the newest rune words, the game was still complete. This is how video games use to be before 'live service' and 'battle pass' were pushed to the forefront.

If you're bored because you play online and have achieved or traded for all that the game has to offer, then I encourage you to play the game in it's truest form - offline solo self found.

kingtdollaz

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Hey God bless you bro

MulletPower

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See unlike you I remember D2 being supported for years after it released. Patch 1.10 came out 2 years after LOD came out. Which was much more expansive than any patch in d2r.

Patch 1.11 came out 4 years after the release of LOD with new content.

Sorry that my expectations are of how things used to be, instead of now where they don't support games unless they can milk micro-transactions out of you.

RepresentativeMain55

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So you want a company to hire and pay people to continue developing a game that came out 24 years ago that has a dwindling user base just because? Seems you know nothing about business

anormalgeek

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You mean exactly like they used to?

I don't know if people are too young or too naive to remember that once upon a time, blizzard had built themselves that reputation. They were a company that would continue to support a product for years. And it inspired a TON of brand loyalty. In the 2000-2010 years, they could release a steaming turd and have it sell millions just due to the blizzard logo alone.

That kind of brand recognition absolutely has really monetary value. I don't expect new zones, new mobs, new skills, etc. But new runewords, rebalanced legendaries, new prefixes for rare items is nothing more than adding or modifying a simple entry into a collection in the game's code. It's really simple. And it's not like they need to carefully balance everything. That's never been the case, and it's been fine. Some builds are better than others. Some classes have inherent advantages. Some items are just clearly better than others despite being more common. Etc.

Edit: Also worth noting that the D2 battle chest edition would regularly show up in the PC top 10 sales charts even a decade after launch. And that happened precisely because of their continued support.

RepresentativeMain55

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You mean like around the time when the game was actually released and before Diablo 3? What person under 30 is purchasing Diablo 2 instead of any of the thousands of other newer games that have been released and have way more people playing them?

You people are absolutely delusional to think that a company is going to continue dumping money into a game title they made 24 years ago just to satisfy a small group of 30+ year old gamers who get to play for free after one $30 purchase.

I mean how many people do you think actually still play this game? It takes me a while to even find a public Baal run to join. I rarely ever see any games for duels like I used to.

Stop complaining it’s really sad and pathetic.

anormalgeek

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Let's go back. Read the OP's post. The whole point is that other Blizzard games, also from the early 2000's also got a rerelease, and they ARE still getting regular support. And that rerelease came out in Jan 2020, while D2R came out in Sept 2021.

Please explain how your argument should apply to one of those and not the other.

The changes I'm talking about for D2R would be stupid cheap. I understand this very well as I've worked on software development for over 15 years. At least 10 of that had me directly responsible for sizing projects on a regular basis. This is literally the kind of thing you could assign an intern to research and brainstorm ideas in a week, then have a more senior dev review the suggestions, and implement them in an hour or two. The longest part would just be assembling/distributing the patch itself. The marketing opportunity for the Diablo brand (including D4) would absolutely make it worthwhile.

Hell, I've even openly said that I'd be willing to pay for extra stash pages. I recognize the reality of the market.

RepresentativeMain55

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How many active players are there? That might be the answer. There is zero incremental revenue from this development work. You’re talking about building their brand by trying to impress a group of players who continue to play a game from year 2000? None of us would be here if they didn’t already have our loyalty. You’ll still play this game even if they make no changes and that’s the reality

Individual_Lack5809

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Every time I see a post like this, I see comments to the end of “blizzard won’t produce more d2 content because x/y/z.”

Has everybody forgotten what a bomb 1.10 was? Absolutely Blizzard will keep doing stuff for Diablo 2. Probably longer than for any other flagship IP other than WoW, and honestly maybe past that. We’re not getting expansion packs, but I truly believe the game will get a meaningful update once and a while probably for the rest of our lives. I don’t get how in the same breath D2 players acknowledge that there has been new content and say that there will never be anything again

enjoyinc

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I haven’t seen a single comment saying “blizzard won’t add new d2 content,” at most they’re like mine saying “it’s not needed.” But everyone is also acknowledging it would be appreciated, and just disagreeing on whether it will continue. We’d all love more content; in that same way regarding added content to LoD, no one expected D2R when it happened.

But ultimately I think you’re right, D2R will definitely receive support going forward, it’s clear they’re just prioritizing D4 at the moment. Which is fine however, because D2R is in a great state, and a lovely addition to an already complete game.

Also to be a little nitpicky, I’m pretty sure patch 1.10 was over all well received. It was for myself and basically everyone I know that played (although I admit that is anecdotal, and I do still miss my 1.09 wf bowazon), and if you look for remaining sources online they all indicated it was at least generally well received.

Individual_Lack5809

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I’m sayin 1.10 was huge, it catapulted the game

enjoyinc

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Oh, using bomb in that context generally implies it was not well received, or a failure. Cheers mate :)

Shmimbadad

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This game is over 20 years old, has been perfect for a long time already, and got more extra stuff with the Remaster than it ever needed. It doesn't need more "support".

ElectronicMotor3916

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The quest is how do you change d4 (loot system) to be a game as good as d2

Kilo88

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Lol the game came out in early 2000 we are lucky to get what we have. Go play POE

playdoughfaygo

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Good lord, it’s a 20+ year old game. It’s already near perfection. Just fuckin play it or don’t. No need to write a dissertation about your pee pants.

refluks

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Oh Yes, the balance is great. 50% play soso 30% pala and rest is mix of other classes. Want to get some times? Don't bother, just make blizz solo.

Simply_Paul

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The only thing I really want to see added is an in game trade option that's half decent. Trading in D2R is too difficult, stackable gems and the like would be nice but a viable in game market would be a bigger improvement to the game than any of the other changes that were added in D2R.

Voodoo0733

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Diablo 4 would have been pretty good if they hadn’t released immortal. It’s just a slightly better cellphone game than what they had already pirated

DJHelium

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You can try Project Diablo 2, seems like it would be up your alley!

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