abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/spanish-police-broken-sinaloa-cartel-network-seized-18-110303372
Spanish police say they've broken up Sinaloa cartel network, and seized 1.8 tons of meth
No that’s the gratuities from the cartels in other regions as their thanks to the cops for taking down the competition
This is an extremely common practice. "dummy loads" are basically handed to cops with mostly rocksalt and a few ponds of meth so it tests positive . I'd be extremely curious about the purity bc no modern cartels send tonnage loads unless they are for the police to show on TV they send thousand of small loads depending %stoped by customs in any certain country. Mexican cartels siniloa specifically works with governments in Mexico and the US, and the unwritten rule is no bodies no problems a smaller cartel accidently killed a couple of "tourist" American buyers and they where found on the border dead cuffed with a apology note
considering the inventory required to maintain all the addicts in the states, ppl are kidding themselves if they think there’s no cooperation/agreements between the cartels and some state agencies of various countries. it’s simply not possible for the industry to operate at the scale it does without corruption/collusion or something similar being the case.
Ya, the unwritten rule is no bodysno problems. Conversely, there's a really gnarly group out they known as cjng . They started out as the millennial cartel got wiped out. By the zetas went under the siniloa banner for a time than morped into the Mata zetas or zeta killers sponsored by siniloa and wiped them out but took on this Uber violent owing entire towns the truth of the matter is siniloa cjng aren't top down orginized crime like lcn say they all work in independent cells and tax plazas the more ypu take out top leadership the more violent and compartmentalized they become Economics 101 supply always meets demand There's dope in the highest security prisons in the US. If you can't even keep it out of prisons, how could you possibly keep a country dry? The truth is ppl like to get high. Why are alcohol and cigarettes legal? The crack isn't 🤔 bc the truth of the matter is what do in the privacy of my home is No ones fkn business. Guns are legal, but drugs aren't 🤔 the most deadly chemicals in the world, are in everyone garage. So don't give me the dangerous chemical thing. Look into the history of why the war on drugs started it was.bc weed hemp actually had the ability to replace the paper newspapers where written nothing more than they used drug laws to control ppl they didn't like why is coke 🤔 sentences 10x shorter than crack sentences bc black ppl used it more 🤔 Richard Nixon started the bullshit war and the fkn usa is so slow to stop any war 🙄 90% of the country thinks weed should be legal 🙄 🤔 why isn't it country wide historically one of the most useful safest drugs on the planet if you guessed pharmaceutical lobbyists you'd be half right If you want the truth, start out with chasing the scream Then, read the economics of heroin Side notes are also extremely safe and easy on the body. Almost every heroin overdose ever was a child or involved other drugs it is, however, very uncomfortable to come off when addicted What can kill you from withdrawal benzodiazipines and alcohol bc they hit the same gabba receptors Why can't we outlaw fentanly? Because it's used in every hospital globally Why can't we stop meth bc cold medicines and allergy medicine are extremely useful, and any first yr chemist can make it . So, how many drugs have ever been stopped by supply side attacks? You didn't probably ask 1 One drug in history has ever been stopped by outlawing it qualudes bc it was incredibly hard to make and had a very unique chemical in it So why do ppl use fentanly instead of heroin there's only one answer price and strength. Most would rather use a much safer herion Also, injecting anything daily will eventually cause vascular breakdown dialysis patients to have ports put in for this reason But sniffing things can burn your nose depending on how much solvent is left in it. Most of the times the problems are all social lost jobs arrested incarceration if all drugs were treated like alcohol labeled with warning signs sold in special locations buy adults our jails courts would empty street crime would dry up gangs would go broke aswell as cartels
You wrote that shit like you were on meth.
Lmao 🤣 ya English is my 3rd language, and my grammar is dogwater, but I'm working on it !!!
Let's not leave out how the world banking industry is propped out with all the free money they get through laundering.
Paging Jaime Dimon...Mr. Dimon...Southern businessman is on the laundry line #2.
Check and Chinese mafia money transfers all this is is common knowledge I'm not telling secrets here
Also because of investments in Steel mills, hemp would threaten steel. The rise of Ford motor company. There is a long list of reasons as to why hemp / weed was illegal. It is NOT because it’s dangerous.
Very true, the navy absolutely needed it, but the male plant is ery inactive, and To your second point, ww2 would ensure fords sucess. ford's success was less to do with any raw material and more to do with the innovative production line Also, a side note on Ford Henry was a pos a GIANT ONE Nazi sympathizers are responsible for so.e, truly sick ideas about ppl and race also highly anti-Semitic I think stalands node to Ford in a speech his actually about the love he had for killing jews and other religious ppl, responsible for the holodomor . Often using hunger as a weapon throughout the USSR, but especially in Ukraine
Also, every country's intelligence branches use drug guns or both to fund operations. You get high enough up. You dealing with a 3 letter agency happened to me, my connect cartel guy walked while everyone state side got a decade or more he's still active as I'm just off federal paper and don't want the smoke I leave out names organizations etc 😒
goddam dude 🙏i wish you nothing but real good luck moving forward. good people doing hard time for chemicals😣 hate to see it hate to hear about it
Bro, there are guys doing 50 yrs for under 2 grams of crack they are the most important laws that need change. Crack laws are 10× th length of cocaine without baking soda, and it's no secret why I love this country but it has a tradition of leaving bad laws on the books And good people in prison over it I recommend everyone read the federal guidelines to laws they regularly break bc ignorance of the law isn't a good excuse 🙄 if I had known the amount of time I would have gotten beforehand I never would have broken them Like I got charged with the same crime first by the state, then the exact same crime in federal court, how isn't that dbl jeopardy I was also charged with what's called ghost dope 🤔 no actual product was ever recovered by l.e. fbi state police sheriff's, etc, only the word of a federal snitch, I assume, must work with some 3 letter agencies I have no proof except there's clacified shit in my buddy's shit he definitely didn't snitch he got longer than I did
i agree with pretty much everything you’ve said unless i’m missing something.
U were able to follow it. I'm told you write like a six yr old . Your grammar sucks 😕 You wrote this like you on meth etc . So I'm extremely happy you can follow it, tbf I know it sucks I learned it from my cell phone. I also I have not a lot of time on . So I'm happy you could understand the longer stuff 🙂
the ppl who said that were just playing with you, don’t worry about it. i might have more practice than a lot of ppl at the skill of deciphering the written work of the drugged up types as well as long form, block-lettered communiques from a 6 year old… that 6 year old’s got above average intelligence though, so it’s pretty easy.
Source?
Um, me I just wrapped up 10 yrs straight and three 3 years of federal paper, and it's not a secret
ah, i see. well, good luck on the outside.
Ty, it's tough out here. I'm lonely. I miss my friends. I'm just able to write and accept calls I couldn't for 3 yrs . The feds are fkn heartless they don't care if u guys were cellies for 100 yrs outside on supervised release. Even if they are out to you, you can't officially talk to any known criminal . It's a dumb rule, no online social media, etc. fkn draconian
You are wrong, they absolutely send tons. It’s calculated risk. If they send 10 shipments of a ton; they may lose one but that’s a built in cost. They do send small shipments too. Containers have different ways of sending. Pregnant is just in the open, in the container, mirror is when they fill the back wall it’s like 30-40 kilos than can fit. They do floors, but I forgot what that’s called.
Source-I lived 5 years in Colombia and know a European who USED to be in the business. Private jets to international airports is also popular, Italians have a couple routes out of Brazil last I heard and they fly into Europe, and west/north Africa. The way they “move” money is the most interesting to me. One way is they use one of the most ancient banking systems in the world. Basically a ledger system so they don’t have to always physically or electronically move money each shipment.
Ya, I'm well aware I was talking specifically about North America, but you do realize Farq is gone right, and Mexicans control every step from farm to shipment like I said they dont send tonage loads anymore those are dummy loads so the other 9000 get I'm not saying u can't put together a ton in Italy or Africa I'm just saying the Mexican cartels no longer send tonnage loads of anything anywhere bc there's a better way I won't say online
I'm aware of how the money works too it's extremely interesting. I've watched it go down, and they can move 100grand in seconds with no trace
Columbian used to control cocaine from field to street corner. This is antique, and there's a better way It's possible It came from another s. American country, I won't name, but siniloa is an extremely loose term it's a state in Mexico, and its a federation of over 100k looses related groups cells gangs and originized crime so even saying that tells me they don't actually know or are lying
Also, they are saying it's meth not coke it can be made in the back of a uhaul truck. Super labs do exist, and tonnage loads can be put together, but why?
Also, readings the article helps one Mexican national 5 Spanish and one Romanian is not "the siniloa cartel" and it goes on to explain this cell of men where trying to set up labs in Spain using stash houses and false bottoms in cars this is super low tech 😉 I won't get into the process but it comes not embedded in things but actually made products and it takes a lab to get out undetectable by dogs xray or massspectrometor I'm extremely familiar and just got off federal parole in the usa and can talk a little bit my finger is still on the pulse if you know sign language face time me il explain a little more side note I'm no longer involved in drug trafficking selling it making it using it just like the news
I heard about the 3 surfers here recently, any insights on that recent event?
Ya, I heard I'm not sure any news is merky at the best of times unless it's huge, but if I hear anything solid, I'll let u know
The members of the smaller cartel or the Americans?
Who killed the tourist or the killers? No one knows who killed the cartel, guys, but it's called a narco banner, basically a body with a note attached saying something that may or may not be true 🤔 I think Mexican cops killed these guys Americans would arrest and try them but dirty cops s of the border will do this to cover they're own misdeeds bc of the cuffs I think this the case cartels use cuffs but not often they usally use rope or zip ties sometimes tape the cuffs also had no prints this is professional work with knowledge of usa forensic bullet where pulled out of the body otheethings I won't mention here where done to hide i.d.s of these guys the reason I called them cartel bc it's what the note says
Blood for blood
Sangre Por sangre
Yes, be very careful killing Americans they are useless as ransom from the government anyway 🙄 but they will spend 100s of millions to use the delta force or something similar thay have 100s of units of these fkn psychopaths to come kill you and everything around those Americans dead or alive 😉 lookup Mike vine
Yeah of all the things I'm worried about in life as an American, being taken for ransom is far down the list.
Our government's policy of never paying ransom, but spending more than the ransom money demanded to arrest/kill the perps, actually seems to work.
Ya, I mean, unless they want to cut your head off on video but don't go to dangerous countries, and chances of this is basically 0, you are far more likely to get struck by lightning
For example, 4 "tourist" reality drug buyers went to Mexico. The deal went bad they got killed, then 4 guys handcuffed and shot showed up on the border with a sorry note
What is your source for that claim? They dummy loads?
They send dummy loads of bunk meth to get seized . They shady part is the same bunk dope that was seized somehow finds its way back onto American streets and into the hands of American addicts. A. Shady part on our own government .
Right. Every time a bust this big happens, the winner is the competition
Yea but at least we got this 1.2 tons of meth
This sub is weird. They seize drugs. Y’all are in disbelief they didn’t seize all the drugs. 😂
It's simply too small for calling it a breakup. Major seizure maybe. Someone do the math.
Someone do the
mathmeth.
That really depends on who exactly they arrested. The drugs are a drop in the bucket, but putting away someone important does way more than seizing the drugs.
It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. When an important person is put away they are immediately replaced with someone else along with any drugs that were seized.
Power struggles are bad for business
A small drop in a very, very large bucket of drugs.
The fallout for this is minuscule on the drug trade.
Fair enough
That’s all fine and well but how many drugs does a dealer need to have on them at any given time. Yes in comparison the discrepancy between someone’s “ideal” bust should be in the millions of tons. Why would there ever be that much product on earth at one given point at one given place. The question people should be asking, is by taking out this trusted dealer and connections, they are preventing any amount of product being distributed. How many metric fucking tons do you think they already sold in Spain???
The meth in Spain falls mainly on the plain?
For decades, the police have admitted they only find a small percentage.
The losses are calculated into the price.
100%, this is the us/ Mexican method. No modern cartel send metric tons of anything they 1000s of little loads if there's heat in the media they load up a bunch of dogs hit meth or fkn 5 yr old dryed up garbage weed or some 2% pur coke etc throw into a "narco" sub or something eye catching 🤔 so everyone that doesn't use drugs thinks arresting ppl siezing drugs works it doesn't. They also use push logistics, not pull Especially organized crime knows how much of what any part of the globe uses in a yr they will send dbl that to thousands of diffrent stash house tunnels uhaul trucks or fkn holes in the desert I know one guy uses GPS tags and leaves Tham anchored in International waters idk how successful this is and might explain why kilos of coke are regularly washing up on beaches lmao 🤣
No, my question is, did it change price quality or availability bc if it didn't change any of these, I'd be questioning how authentic that bust is and start looking into the police as a cartel Bc that's 3000lbs of meth if that changes nothing on the street you have way bigger problems than drug use
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That’s several methric tons of zippity doo dah
How much would you say 1.8 tons is worth on the street?
Could be a couple hundred million $ by the time it's cut and broken down to small packets. But it'll be resold several times before the end user gets it, and everyone gets a markup along the way. So the Cartel was probably only getting a quarter of that. I'm pulling these numbers from my ass.
With my limited experience being a small time "weed dealer" years ago... If the end user is getting a gram or a few, the next guy might be buying by the ounce. His guy might be getting a pound or two. His guy might be the big guy in town, who's guy is in connection with the source. At least that's sorta what it looked like from my viewpoint dealing with a few guys. I bet you're right. The cartel is probably getting 20-25% of what the drug will sell for, but I'm also just guessing! I never made it beyond the half pound threshold lol.
I bought a half pound of meth about 30 years ago and promptly went crazy. I never had much of a distribution network, I just used a lot and tried to sell enough to get mine free. I found out having too big a stash was a really bad thing, lol. In retrospect I was lucky. I got clean pretty young. I was always looking for a bigger bag to get the best rate.
Oh man! I bet that was expensive. Half a pound of weed in Florida, maybe 15 years ago, cost me a pretty penny as a young guy. I did the same thing, sold just enough to smoke for free.
Big stashes were dangerous! No matter how frequently I reminded myself not to indulge too much, I always did lol.
Glad to hear you're clean! I did some hallucinogens in my late teens, early 20's. That stage of life is over, the itch is gone, but it was a fun experience. That's about as crazy as I ever took it.
I think I paid 3k. Fronted out too much, did too much, lost my ass, lol. Yeah that was a lot of money for me back then. I didn't like pot very much, but I had runners on both coke and meth over about a decade. Lucky I only lost one tooth. Hallucinogens were great, but infrequent. Dead shows, lol. Mushrooms. They weren't all bad days, but I don't get to go back to the fun days.
Good chunk o' change, for sure. I fronted too much too lol. I gave a couple of buddies a little, rarely worked. I'm already a somewhat fidgety person, so I always went for the downers. My buddy was on a little coke kick for a couple years. I was always concerned I would enjoy myself and have a new expensive habit, so I never brought myself to trying it. Hey, one tooth ain't bad from what I've seen out there lol. Nowadays, the new artificial teeth look fantastic. I never went super crazy with hallucinogens, but I definitely dabbled. It was a fun escape, but I'd rather have a smoother ride with a drink and a smoke these days. Hey, we may not be able to have a crazy time again, but we have some great memories. I'd rather live it this way. I don't want to be old and wish I was more adventurous.
Yeah my fake tooth looks real. I'm pretty happy.
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It was a lot of money. I doubt the quality was better than it is today, but there was no fentanyl in it, lol.
It just entirely depends on their enterprise in general. Some cartels dont use middlemen for their street dealers and instead directly supply street dealers etc the meth/fent game is not the weed game
Good point. Since the cartels have such a monopoly in certain areas, the drugs probably stay within their control every step. Sorta like a business with outstanding vertical integration lol. Makes sense.
Exactly like that
Biggest step up in cost is once it crosses the border. So by being on the Mexican side it’s probably worth 1/10
Could be true. Costs to cross the border, lost shipments.
So, you're a smuggler?
Lol, I smuggle chocolate past my wife to the couch
Ironically, that’s also where they pulled the meth from
But is your ass a credible source? /s
No way retail usa it's 1.7 million that's a 5k a pound pretty much nationwide price
I started with $100/gram street value after its cut. Still 5k per pound? That's what it was 30 years ago. Wow. You're right though, I should have started with the pound price before guessing what the cartel gets. My ass didn't calculate good.
Np problem, my guy I spent 13 yrs in prison. I kinda have first-hand knowledge on both sides of the border it's extremely cheap to make all the cost is in transportation .
What does it cost in Mexico? I was fairly casual 30 years ago... been clean a long time.
Depending on quality and quantity around 1k to 2k per lbs around 2500 a kilo usally as soon as it crosses the border it dbls just in general imo it's worth the money to not buy it s of the border and if you don't speak Spanish fluently never go 😉
Meth doesn’t really get cut. It’s so cheap to produce that most cutting agents would be more expensive than the meth itself. It’s not like heroin or cocaine that takes a large logistic chain to produce (farm land, transportation to lab to reduce, packaging, shipping to distribution, etc.)
Meth is made in one place. There is a reason the precursors are watched so closely in the US. It is stupid easy to make.
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50 dollars
Usa, it's worth around 1.7 million retail source countries, would be 2 to 5ook
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You want to know how it really works It runs on Gummi bears and sunshine 🌞
Haha broken up a cartel. Haha 😂 that’s really cute fellas… haha 😂
They plundered a trade route
Ummm. The cartels are, not the police lol.
How many banks charged with money laundering? They're putting the cash somewhere.
We have a drug problem but the cartels have a money problem.
Great, now the price is going to go up 3%.
Thanks Biden!
In unrelated news, Spanish Police report they haven't slept for a month.
It would read better if it said “in related news…”
ouch
So, big deal in Europe, but just another average house in Florida?
For every drug lord taken down a dozen step up to take their place
This is what I say about corporations when they threaten to close the business because of Union negotiations.....
Yeah that’s not true. Every time a big player is taken down, it takes longer and longer for people to make those trusted relationships again. This has been shown with terrorist online accounts for example. For low level people your point stands but not for higher levels where they were in charge of actually organizing things.
Most people don’t keep up with who the next big upcoming player is so a lot of people just end up dropping out of the game.
Saying that because some people will commit crime that it doesn’t matter if you let criminals organize is counter productive to having a functional society.
There's also the fact that crimes against morality (sex, marriage, birth control, drug use, vhs recorders) are not protecting people, but instead just making life more dangerous and expensive.
Police spending time reducing theft, murder, rape, vandalism are hours spent contributing to society
Bit was this a big player? Unless, they are actually taking down cartel leadership in Mexico, they haven't taken a big player down. The cartel will have a new network in place very soon with a new guy running it. I'm a retired cop who worked in a Federal Task Force and I've seen it happen. The cartels are amazingly efficient.
dope on the table
What's with the air compressor?
Can you just stand still for a moment?
took me a sec to get the reference. A+ movie
That’s a lot of meth - I wonder how long it takes for it all to sell on the street . And how many tons they ship in per month
Walter White gonna be fucking pissed.
Im excited for the sequel 🍿
Spanish police? In Sinaloa?
Turns out the cartel was transporting drugs to European countries, so they were found out and raided by Spanish police in Spain, Valencia region. Made 5 arrests after raiding 6 properties. Spanish police don’t fuck around. If they thought they were getting a foothold, it’s gone now.
Yes. The cartels are even in Australia, Canada and other liberal countries that have lenient laws on crime
Would you call the united states a liberal country? Would you call mexico a liberal country?
Would you call the president a liberal elected by the majority and electoral votes? And considering the Mexican president is called a left wing populist….yes
Nice for the cartel to give a donation to the Spanish police
“Spanish” police doing work in Sinaloa, Mexico. Interesting.
Sinaloa cartel operating in Spain…
Great news for every other cartel and all their affiliated flunkies.
I can get it in Arkansas for 250.00$ an Oz. That's 4000.00 a pound. So the cartel is getting like 1000.00 a pound
Ur Math is 9000.00 $ off
Wat
Drools in Walter White.
I cant fanthom what tons of drugs look like.
For every one shipment seized you just know another 3 got through. That’s how it is in the U.S. at least.
The cartel is in Spain?
Question is: where’s the rest of the 2 tones?
wow they've done it... they've done absolutely nothing
The Sinaloa cartel is active in Spain?
“Broken up”? That’s just one facility.
insane there's so people using meth
Too bad Señor McNultyo had to use an illegal wiretap to do it.
‘Broken up’? do you fucking mean broken it into 100 other factions leading to numerous civil wars? The bull shit that comes out of Mexicos news and even americas news NEVER .. EVER NEVER EVER ceases to fucking amaze me.
Mexican is not a derogatory word you don’t have to be woke. Just say Mexican police.
This happened in Spain not Mexico so Spanish Police. Not an awake or sleeping thing just different country.
Only if mexican gov shut them down kick out all Currupt officals throughout the network of paid politicians and offset mexican gov locking all cartel up
Is there a wall that could have stopped this?
Asking for a friend.
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Consumers of illegal drugs in Europe and N. America will get their drugs regardless of the futile attempts to stop the drug trade.
Supply and demand.
P.S. How big does a government have to be to protect everyone from themselves?
Money from the drug trade and money spent fighting the drug trade...line the pockets of many government officials.
This corruption is worse than the drugs.
As long as there are enough idiots willing to consume this shit, someone will be there to sell it to them. Can’t legislate stupidity.
The title says "Spanish police", the article says this happened in Madrid, Spain. You'd have to seek answers from Spanish officials about if a wall would have stopped it or not, although I doubt it.
This is the question: Did it change price quality or availability, bc if it didn't iys a waste of time
Exactly well said
This is a good thing. Way too much pessimism in the comments. Meth is horrific.
Probably the only way to get anyone moving in that country. LOL
They don’t work themselves to death, such losers 😂😂😂😂😅😅
Spanish? In Spain?
Yes in the article it starts with the word “Madrid”
Thanks, loyal servant
You’re welcome Sire
Will I still be able to get tortillas?
The sinoloa cartel is in Spain? You know that Spanish is a language, you meant Mexican🙄
Dateline: Madrid, genius. You can literally read the very first word to get the complete gist of the article.
It's actually Spanish police who made the bust 🤣
I keep reading your comment and it just doesn’t make sense at all. 1. Are you confused that the Sinaloa cartel is in Spain? Yes, a Mexican drug cartel is in another country. 2.”You know that Spanish is a language “ wtf does this even mean? Are you so clueless that you don’t know when someone refers about a branch of gov from Spain, you refer to them as ‘Spanish’ and add the for example, Spanish police, Spanish Guardia Civil…
I’m surprised at how low comprehension reading skills a person can have and not be able to deduce anything.
Don't be surprised. This is reddit.
You think the Sinaloa cartel never exports their product?
Do you fucking google maps?
Read the article.
Delete this dumb ass comment lol
Wow. Next do Hamas.
Ok. 🙄
Netanyahu wouldn't break up the terrorists he props up
It’s not Spanish it’s Mexican police
Spanish police in Spain arrested people working for a Mexican cartel that was operating in Spain.
Oh you’re right 👍thanks
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1 million tons left outstanding.