www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/opinion-ai-subscriptions-are-coming-and-it-shouldn%E2%80%99t-surprise-us.43478/
If true.. would probably prompt me to switch systems down the road.
Could see this happen happen to other brands.
Yup, I’d immediately switch to any competitor that’s not charging a subscription and when that’s not an option go all in on film. Supporting that kind of corporate greed is madness.
Welcome to the modern software industry.
Everything is subscription based and if there are no viable open source alternatives you either pay or sail the seven seas
I just got a new (well new to me) canon. I’m perfectly fine with it being my first and last if they try subscriptions
I'm curious what they want to lock behind a paywall. I keep reading about AI, but what kind of AI would you need in a camera? The only thing I can think of is the AF since they use machine learning to train it. Will this paywall also come to older camera models, or will these remain subscription free?
Personally I'm not fond of these subscription services popping up everywhere. I much prefer to pay once and own the product outright.
Auto blemish retouching.
The only thing I can think of is the AF since they use machine learning to train it.
My thoughts would be for sports photographers where the camera sends the photos directly to a PC and it auto edits them and sends them to be published
You don't need AI for that. Most likely it would be things like upscaling, autofocus modes, smarter auto exposure, denoising and lens correction stuff.
Yes, post processing effects.
Crippling their auto focus would be terrible for their brand. You want all pictures shot on your gear to look great, you want people to wonder what someone shot a picture on and find out that it was your camera.
Hell no to subscription based service, especially AI.
You’re not into the whole camera as a service model?
Say no to Netclix
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I tried an XH2S, supposedly their amazing action model, and good lord, I think the EOS-M original had better autofocus, and I am positive my old M50 did. Sold it after two months. Colors are great but your subject better be standing still.
Which body and lens do you use and how did you find the switch?
I suspect if they did this, it would either be some additional feature for when the camera is connected to the internet OR an additional optional software module type situation where it has to check in with the servers once in a while to stay active.
It would be an epic misstep to make it mandatory to actually use the camera.
I could see it as like their version of denoising, changing focus after the fact, and other stuff like that. Could also see it for silly small things like learning your preferences in specific scenarios and lens combos and adjusting settings.
I HOPE it isn’t like the Samsung moon photo type stuff where it actually changes/adds/subtracts images, unless it is a setting you can toggle. Like, the ability to lock on to a subject and auto subtract people/signs/cars in the background at the time of the image being taken would be cool, but it would absolutely have to a toggle.
Yes, there are greater debates to be had about what a photograph is with all of this, but that is for another day.
The computer power required to use AI quite expensive. So would most likely be for some service that has to constantly use server time
Yea, for real AI, it would require maintaining the cores/server time. There are lightweight types that could theoretically happen on the camera if they wanted to put the chips in and had no concerns for battery, but I’m doubtful of that.
The system limitations and hurdles to have some always on AI requiring off camera compute power at a speed that is somewhat tolerable are currently too great, especially because many of us take our cameras in places without WiFi.
I never put anything past major corporations, but a bricked camera as soon as it loses an internet connection would easily be one of the dumbest decisions I’ve ever seen.
If I had to put money on it, it would be an additional service…possibly running through some app, that sends off the photos and other acquired data (wouldn’t shock me if they put other sensors in the camera) once back on a network.
Guess we’ll see. I used to say we should do a shot every time AI and/or machine learning was mentioned in my field, but I’d be absolutely slammed in about 30 seconds now.
If it’s a subscription to constantly update a feature I would be down. But I should also hVe the option to not have to subscribe to use a lesser version
Heard about this and it can't be good, we have enough subs as it is. Pay thousands of dollars for the camera and you have to subscribe for extra bells and whistles. https://youtu.be/sSgmPToKR-k?si=UxfVrQDpT4OUoW1Z
They already do, no? You need to subscribe to use their AI denoise.
Sony is already locking out firmware updates of their modern cameras behind subscriptions.
Wonderful...lmao.. Nikon may get my money
Any evidence/proof?
So perhaps not full on firmware, but they’re charging $149 to unlock additional grid lines.
I thought Panasonic is also doing the same with its Lumix S5II(X) as well. (This is different from the recent S5II V3.0/S5IIX V2.0 free major firmware update.)
Hopefully it is just for using their software, which I dont use anyway.
Given their foray into online storage with image.canon, and with their mess that is EOS Utility on macOS, I'd settle for intelligence, any intelligence. But not hopeful. None of the camera companies do software well, so getting into the bleeding edge with AI just seems silly.
But I just won't pay if they do roll something out. Can't see why it would be a reason to clutch my pearls and sell my camera.
It blows my mind the idea of they putting a subscription on a product that costs thousands of dollars. What’s next? A subscription for the lenses?
Subscriptions are lame
I finally escaped my sneaky Adobe Lightroom contract. Unfortunately there’s not a ton of other non-subscription options
What'd you switch to?
Nothing yet, I’ve just been offloading my photos onto my SSD and not editing them
Capture One seems solid but now they charge for updates too
They are also subscription based, that's why I was asking. Capture One has terrible file management, which is why I was switching to LR, especially seeing as Capture One (the company) is performing layoffs, so I worry about the company's future.
I may just move to Darktable and get through the learning curve and stop worrying about all of this.
I know slippery slope and all but it will probably start as some super niche function that agency pros will want and just either get the agency to pay for it or just write it off as another business expense. Then it will probably trickle down until it hits the prosumer market.
Any company that does that can literally fuck right off, especially if I paid full price for my camera already.
As long as it doesn’t remove anything we currently have, I couldn’t care less.
Just bought an R5 cause they finally went to a price I can afford with the imminent release of the mark 2. Can't imagine needing more camera than this. If they do, let them. Me and my R5 and R7 are quite happy ❤️
Same here. The r5 is my main. Camera for wildlife
I don't know what it would be doing. Constantly playing with the focus settings?
I was thinking this was for cloud uploads directly from camera.
Well once I decide to upgrade my R5 I guess it’s time to consider Sony……something I would have never considered before.
If this is the future, we’re gonna be using the current gen of RF cameras for a looooong time.
Which wouldn’t be a problem, the pictures are already good enough to be printed to giant size
Absolutely.
If canon does this, Sony will follow, especially since they already monetize firmware upgrades.
The only thing we can hope is for those subscriptions to be for features that actually make sense to be sub based (Cloud based AI, that actually costs a lot to run).
Most ai is just a program running. But saying an AI subscription isn’t clear at all as to what it would do. It seems just like someone trolling trying to get attention.
Comeback and tell us when it isn’t a rumor. For now, this is just noise.
They've already integrated some predictive AF AI in the R1 for sports. It's not a subscription service now but possibly something like this in the future?
Honestly who cares?? Seriously, who cares? I imagine most people are buying used or older models refurbished from canon anyway. Who cares if they start charging a subscription fee for weird AI features that literally nobody needs? Even if you are a pro photographer, you got to that point WITHOUT AI anyway. And TBH the technical skill of using a camera proficiently just is not very difficult to master. Your creative eye and business skills are way more important, and there’s no subscription fee for that.
We are honestly at a point where realistically you can buy a camera from 2022 and there is quite literally no reason to ever replace it other than 1. It breaks or 2. GAS
AI denoise in camera possibly?
I would never buy a camera that requires a monthly payment to unlock all of its features. The corporations can fuck off with screwing over consumers.