Kangen Water scam

https://imgur.com/gallery/IhxvzlN

129

1mo

I kid you not.

https://www.enagic.com/media/pdfviewer/?f=eforms/us/flyer_enagicusa_earnings_disclosure_statement.pdf

151

1mo

Wholly crap! What is that turmeric supposed to do for you?! Come over and cook your dinners?

I think one of the best things you can show her is the actual earnings report and what distributors are really making. these numbers come directly from their website. She can look them up herself. If she thinks she’s going to make money doing this she is absolutely mistaken.

58% of theirs distributors make $285 a year (13,747 people)

17% make $680 a year ( 4105 people)

6% make $1400 a year (1497 people)

So 81% of their distributors are making less than $1400 a year. Are there people making more yes but significantly less than they would let you believe and tell her this is all directly from their companies website.

7% make $2400 a year (1787 people)

4% make $2800 a year (994 people)

6% make $5700 per year (1469 people)

1.75% makes $1300 a year ( 425 people)

.52% make $27,666 ( 125 people)

And the following people that are making decent money, have all been in this scam since the very beginning and have huge downlines.

.24% make $113,500 (57 people)

.08% make $253,000 (20 people)

.02% make $515,000 ( 5 people)

.01% make $1,716,000 ( 3 people)

1mo

Yes, I plan to show her the income disclosure statement

yeuzinips

1mo

Be sure to update us when she rejects this information.

1mo

I’m talking to her and her upline later today…. Will return and report

mamaxchaos

1mo

You’re a good friend, OP. Even if it does no good, you did the right thing.

Jurassic_Gwyn

1mo

Even the top earners aren't earning enough to justify a water dispenser and $2k tumeric...

1mo

Honestly, like their machines are expensive, but reading that cost for turmeric blows my mind

stephelan

1mo

This might be the worst one. Less than a hundred people making a living wage after dropping $7000.

1mo

That’s such a good way to look at it, you’ve spent $7000 and chances are you won’t even make $250 in a year.

stephelan

1mo

But you’ve purchased the equivalent of a Brita and a McCormick spice.

1mo

Hahaha

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offwiththeirheads72

1mo

Why not just get a real job with these numbers? Then you don’t have to be a stingy salesperson for a super expensive product.

GGM610

1mo

so, 99.75% of distributors don't even break even.

Appropriate-Term-454

19d

So about 2% make enough to break even

19d

I think that anytime you’re trying to dissuade somebody from getting involved in an MLM. You should just send them the earnings disclosure page. It’s hard to fight with their own companies statistics.

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16d

Scarcity mindsets all over this page eeeeek

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16d

Is it their jobs to help you guys sell a product? 😭😭😭😭😭😭 looking for handouts eh?

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vengefulbeavergod

1mo

I'll continue to take me Costco turmeric, tyvm

theinfotechguy

1mo

Yeah BuT ThIS iS M4dE iN j4pAn

rae90

1mo

And it’s meticulously extracted in such a way that it’s only compatible with Kangen machines, and 100x more absorbent into the water than grocery store bought turmeric, so it’s different. You won’t get any of the health benefits from regular turmeric. /s

theinfotechguy

1mo

Man, I can't believe I forgot, I'm such a silly billy!!!

DiogenesRizzla

1mo

Well it’s ionized or something probably

Neurismus

1mo

Obviously it takes 4 Japanese schoolgirl uniformed girls 4 working days to prepare one package of this and you get a video together with the package.

theinfotechguy

1mo

Cut up and crushed by a dagger blessed by a shinto priest during a full moon

Appropriate_Achoo

1mo

How much does it cost? Because if its any less than $1980, then it doesn't work 😆

bellebeast9485

1mo

Amazon is my go to since it's not feasible for me to have a Costco membership

nitebeest

1mo

Except that you could pay for a Costco membership and only buy just the turmeric supplement there for over 9 years and still come out for less than the Kangen $1980 one year supply. 😂

IhatetheBentPyramid

1mo

30 boxes x 100 capsules = 3,000 - and that's 1 year's supply! Why would anyone need 8+ capsules a day?

linandlee

1mo

By that math its $67.00 per box, $0.67 per capsule, $5.36 per day. Yeesh.

LWDK2

1mo

I have a family member who’s in an MLM and I once added up the cost of just the supplements they take every day: $11!

Add to that the supplements they take for whatever ails them on a given day, the powdered meal replacements, the “healthy” snacks, the skincare, the fruit and vegetable wash, etc.

Based on that, I assume they spend at least $500 a month on products from their own company, and then they also buy products from friends who are in other MLMs (magnets and healing light machines come to mind).

I really shouldn’t be surprised at this point that there are people happily spending $2,000 a year on turmeric.

E46_Overdrive

1mo

Oh, good. You can even set up autorenewal on that outrageously priced box.

Neurismus

1mo

Holy F... I am rarely shocked on internet and Reddit these days, but this has done it. 🫣🤯

koz152

1mo

I just learned I have like 5k worth in my pantry! I it for like 5. I'm going to be a gajizionaire!

DouglerK

1mo

She would have to sell each box for like $80ish dollars to make any profit.

Neurismus

1mo

I need to know now... How do they justify the price? What magic properties does this supposedly have?

Outrageous-Bite3842

12d

My god, they aren't even trying to hide the scam.

LWDK2

1mo

I mean, I don’t want to brag, but I fresh turmeric at the Indian grocery store, keep it in my freezer and grate it as needed (like ginger root). I think I could use a pinky finger-sized root a a day and I don’t think it would cost more than $0.50 a day.

Do they gild it with 18 carat gold?

mooseplainer

1mo

My guess is they use it to smuggle opium.

Nick_W1

1mo

Well, you could buy 1.5kg of turmeric for $10 from your local supermarket, or you can pay $2000 for 1.5kg of the kangen stuff.

I’m sure it’s completely different.

DigitalDroid2024

1mo

That’s $471/kg. Is it gold favoured?

con_cac

127

1mo

Your friend paid for an overpriced water filter with an low grade chinese filter. I used to work airport security, I saw them on an x-ray image, and they only had one filter in them.At my home, I got a two stage filter, which cost way less than this glorified water filter.

Urtehnoes

1mo

Yea, but your at home filter didn't come with 12 turmeric packets for only $2000. Checkmate

Aleflusher

1mo

Yes but the Kangen is ALSO a $200 water ionizer!

con_cac

1mo

There is a block of metal in that machine that makes it ionize. You can see it black on an x-ray image.

ecodrew

1mo

My fridge has a water filter that costs about $25 to replace twice/year, less if I buy in bulk and/or have a coupon. Faucet/tap mounted or pitcher filters are even cheaper.

Oh, but it doesn't add any extra organic crystal essential oily quantum ionic supercalifragilistic ultra energy to my water! Guess my chakras will have to stay aligned the way they are and I won't be out $20k in debt. Darn. /s

Migraine_Mirage

1mo

Be out of 20k is exactly what would made my chacras desaligned 🤣

ecodrew

1mo

Haha, very true. Debt really fucks your chacras.

koz152

1mo

I bought my 2 stage filter for like 40 bucks and it's awesome!

Pissfat

1mo

I was just looking up Kangen earlier.

Hun was filtering water for her dogs days before she was saying her and her husband are going to be MILLIONARES next year.

It's frustrating watching these people take advantage of others.

Appropriate_Achoo

1mo

Wait until you hear about the suckers buying the "Quad package" - two $5000 magic water filters, the turmeric powders, and a shower head - for $17,000

Then these huns use the amazing financing offer - just $475/month for 72 months ($34,000 total)

You could have 5 gallons of alkaline water delivered to your house every single day for five years and you would still save $16,000

thot_lobster

1mo

I love how they try to tell people, "But you'll make $2000 in commission!" As if that excuses the 15k you're still in the hole.

1981ahoog

1mo

Wow. 😬

WearyScarcity7535

1mo

It's a life lesson company now. A couple dozen people at the top selling life lessons, and thousands of others paying money to learn the hard way.

5iveOClockSomewhere

1mo

So well said

Boomtw3

1mo

My mom did and worse she paid 10k for 3 machines I'm sorry but your friend is gone. There is no saving her. This dreamteam whatever are very convincing and make everything look legit. Had a big fight with my mom and had to move out for my own sanity.

She doesn't clock that this is a scam since she got actual products and ENAGIC is an actual company with branches all over the world.

Imagine they are 40k people are in the program, i think there are more. But let's say all 40k people are running ads to get someone new. Then a month later they are 60k people plus. All the new members will join, set up and also run ads competing with you and so on. By the time you get to 500,000 members, it would be almost impossible to get someone new because there aren't many people that can buy 10k water machines. YOU WILL NEVER MAKE THE MONEY YOU START WITH EVER.

Lastly, this is worse than a scam because scammers take your money and you never see them again but with THIS you have to constantly run ads on youtube, tiktok, facebook and even if you get someone to join, the money you get will barely cover the cost of ads.

Only the people running this benefit anything, they get paid when someone pays the $50 or $100 for the seminar. They can paid someone who actually buys the machines, they get paid when a new member struggle to set up so request a call with a mentor and the best part is they have thousands of people running free ads for them. It's a risk free scam for those people. Perfectly legal so they don't go to jail.

Eventually my mom requested that we split the bills 50/50 I'm guessing she needed more money to run more ads and it was constant fighting. Eventually i moved out and got an apartment. I pay more, but I'm at peace. Before i left i made sure to install adblock on all devices and made her social media accounts for a 10 year old so they stop sending her financial videos.

MLM ARE THE WORST SCAM SYSTEM OF THEM ALL

Aleflusher

1mo

Your mom isn't the first Kangen hun I've encountered who said Enagic can't be a scam because customers get an actual product. I think they're trained by their uplines to say that. Setting aside for a moment that Kangen machines are themselves a scam, the Enagic scam is it's an MLM. I don't understand how someone can sit around not making any money, or just making peanuts, for years on end with these companies and not figure out they are scams!

Boomtw3

1mo

Those at very top like they have been in for like 8 years etc make a lot of money because the commission goes up with everyone you bring in and they trick the new people that yes they won't make money now but with time you can be just like them, quit your jobs and go vacations and only do a few clicks. BUT IN REALITY for anyone joining to be like the older guy you would need like 500 million people taking part and that would be impossible. Every person that joins also becomes a seller. No one actually buys because they like the product

hippysol3

1mo

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1mo

We are not pyramid schemes! We are direct selling!

petty_Loup

1mo

We direct sell energised water to rehydrate you on a cellular level...

koz152

1mo

This sounds like the My Pillow guy when he claims that his pillow was endorsed by the National Sleep Foundation. He paid them. Mike Lindell is a con and scam artist but we all knew that after the first viewing of that commercial.

Also I think his pillows were literally just shredded recycled foam.

Similar-Interview579

1mo

Kangen is truly one of the worst, they make you get loans and credit cards if you finance and try not to pay then they want to sue you. They don’t give a flying F if you go bankrupt. The people that are giving her the cool aid will continue to poison her as long as she keeps believing them. I can’t remember but there was a great video on YouTube that showed how scammy the machines are and that they are all just expensive fluff. You could get a whole well house filter with UV light for 2,000. Be glad they didn’t get her with the quad that one is 15k debt!

DigitalDroid2024

1mo

Aren’t there consumer laws against that sort of thing?

Similar-Interview579

1mo

I’m not sure I just have seen this happen to someone

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1mo

If you could talk people out of cults, no one would be in one. She’s gonna have to pay money (probably all of it she has) to learn this lesson.

Gilly2878

1mo

Sorry, but once they get sucked in like this, it’ll take them constantly shelling out money they can’t get back before they get out of it more so because they can no longer afford to buy more product to rot in their basement.

You can try to show your friend some articles about MLM’s, but after that, I would suggest simply staying out of it. If your friend tries to sell you on it, be firm is saying you have no need for the products, and would prefer not to be asked in the future.

journeyfromone

1mo

The podcast the way forward episode 25 around minute 45 she talks about kangen and the different filter options. I think also how kangen can be dangerous and it’s dead water. Def on the spiritual side the podcast but if she’s buying kangen probably is too.

agg288

1mo

The kangen huns that show up in my insta feed are super anti trans, in case that helps. Apparently the company has no issue with bigotry.

1mo

Too bad my friend is a Mormon. Mormons are generally anti trans as well

bellebeast9485

1mo

Tell her both Hinkely and Monson condemn MLMs and banned them from church. Monson was hell bent on removing them from church members, no products from an MLM were allowed in church buildings at all.

luminousoblique

1mo

MLMs in general are HUGE in the Mormon church. Unfortunately, her faith community has primed her to think this is a legit way to make money. It's going to be difficult, if not impossible, to convince her it's a scam. The most you can likely do is encourage her to keep accurate track of her income and expenses (frame it as keeping careful records for her taxes), so that she realizes how much it's costing, and how little she is bringing in. Sadly, it's an expensive lesson she may need to learn for herself.

1mo

It is probably best to just let this person get burned from this

darcyduh

1mo

My thoughts as well. OP can talk to her friend and their upline, but I promise there will be nothing gained by it, and it'll probably make the friend dig her heels in deeper.

I'd say what I could about income disclosures and all that jazz, but after that...it's her bed to lay in

1mo

Exactly, if they are a bigot, I would try to explain the flaws and then give them shit for their bigotry.

Some people do start to question mlm after getting burned and some are lifers. Same goes for bigotry. There is the hope that when those that question mlms, some of them will question other things

bellebeast9485

-35

1mo

What a heartless thing to say.

1mo

I will admit, I have no heart for the truly heartless bigots

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READ THE SIDEBAR FFS

1mo

I did a quick check of your posting history to make sure this wasn't an aberration.

On Reddit you come across as a very very very angry person with vanishingly little empathy. If that's not the impression you want to give, you might consider taking a step away from the keyboard for a little while and reevaluating what you want out of your interactions. If that IS the impression you mean to give, well, you're doing a bang-up job and I support you in your apparent balls-to-the-wall misanthropy.

Also:

"The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them." Can't let hardcore bigots have a seat at the table, or the next thing you know it's bigots all the way down.

And if you're already composing your reply telling me what a sick, violent, abusive, heartless person I am, reread this post and find where I actually made any declarative sentences about who you are as a person, as I was careful to keep everything in the realm of the possible, rather than probable.

BigGigGig

1mo

I did a quick check of your posting history to make sure this wasn't an aberration.

That's what I'm doing right now, one of their comments on wcgw is really aggressive towards nurses for some reason and I was trying to see why. Haven't found anything though except a comment calling someone and their dog's vet idiots.

OMGEntitlement

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1mo

They do go right for the insult, though, don't they?

1mo

Ever hear of the paradox of tolerance?

tothe_peter-copter

1mo

Lots of turmeric is contaminated with heavy metals - maybe you can at least spare her the damage from that

Trac78

1mo

I wonder if we have the same friend?

Cj_ducks4

1mo

I wondered the same.. a friend of mine joined just very recently. Single mum who is wanting to homeschool her kids. She just finished a bookkeeping qualification and believes she can make more money selling overpriced water than setting up her own WFH business. She’s tried discouraging me from setting up my own bookkeeping business because I can have more time freedom and income selling these machines. No thanks. I’m not forking out thousands on rubbish and listening to hours of “training” telling me I can manifest my own wealth.

Defiant_Werewolf_414

1mo

Unfortunately the love bombing and indoctrination has already been at play and you would be fighting against this. They are probably already in groups that are using the gross toxic positivity of the time freedom and if they have the mindset they can succeed in the MLM commercial cult deception. Kangen is so creepy. I hope you can talk sense to them. Hopefully they will not be told and convinced you are a hater wanting to see failure.

The website they bought this from should have information on returning or stopping order in a certain time frame. Don't be surprised if it won't be a full refund and it being difficult in stopping the order. I never was a kangen hun so can't help. I tried googling. It gave different information depending on what part of the world you are.

Calm-Requirement-341

1mo

Manitoba is filled to the brim with these Kangen water snobs!

ExistentialPuggle

1mo

She needs black pepper. Tumeric doesn't activate without the black pepper.

alexy0818

1mo

$7K on a credit card for an MLM 😳

ShowMeTheTrees

1mo

The FTC issues warnings about MLM's and they crack down on the worst of them. Show your friend their warning letter about Kangen. https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/warning-letters/cease_and_desist_letter_to_enagic_usa_inc._dba_kangen_12.9.21.pdf

Worldly-Tadpole-

1mo

Op there is a YouTube series diving into the kangen scam, I'd recommend looking it up and showing it to your friend, it's absolutely WILD

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1mo

It's called kangen deep dive and a channel called "Anna analysis" or something like that

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Sea-Durian555

1mo

Hearing stories like this is heartbreaking

yourdecorshop

1mo

I looked at this and backed away very quickly. Whi in God's name buys $2000.00 worth of turmeric. Let alone you have to buy the machine. I don't have that kind of money to invest in something like this by the time I would see a return on my investment I would be 6 feet under. I hope your mom can get out of it quickly.

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16d

1k is my car payment so that def wouldn’t work lol

TheVoidWithout

1mo

You are a good friend and she doesn't deserve you. I would take my friend's observations and advice....

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aceavengers

1mo

Its a scam product made of cheap Chinese trash.

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19d

It’s Japanese 😭😭😭😭

EvolvingChariot

1mo

By medical grade, do you mean sterile?

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19d

More sterile than your brita filter yes lol

1mo

It’s not a medical grade machine. In order for something to be medical grade in the US. It has to be FDA approved.

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19d

Bc the fda is so trustworthy 😭😭😭 i bet money the ppl saying this are fat and miserable bc they listen to the fda - while in japan all the hospitals are using this machine - and they Japanese just happen to live the longest

19d

What hospitals in particular? Also, how are they using this machine? Ionized water is not the reason that Japanese people live the longest.

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1mo

Raymond sounds like a jealous educated friend. Stop getting in your friends way

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I am a MLM shill 😒

1mo

Y’all are so funny- you know to be good in sales you actually have to work right? The issue is your friends don’t know how to sell a product bc they probably haven’t ever bought something this expensive before now. If they need sales training lmk but myself i made 14k my first year. There is no reason to be hating on this “mlm”. It’s the least mlm of them all. YALL ARE LAME

1mo

Kangen Hun spotted

1mo

Brand new throwaway account too

-1

I am a MLM shill 😒

1mo

Brand new 😂 lol i am a real person and it’s not a throwaway i just prefer to be anonymous

I’ve had my machine for 4 years - I’m guessing you prob make 60k a year and just hate on ppl on Reddit all day 😂😂😂😂 get a hobby bro

False-Ad-8561

1mo

Says the person who fell for a get rich quick scam and lost 50k 😭😂 I don’t think anyone should trust your judgement on whether something isnt a scam lmfao.

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CloudSimilar7357

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Riiiiight,I’ll take things that never happened for $500 Alex! Cope harder, hun 😂 You absolutely should question investing your money in something that’s proven to fail for 99% of people. You would literally have better odds gambling. That’s called a bad investment. 😂

1mo

And there it is. The reason that people don’t make any money selling these machines is because they’re not working hard enough, right? They’re not coachable enough? They’re not hungry enough? You made $14,000 the first year? Who cares? That’s poverty.

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19d

175k second year 😭😭😭😭

19d

Bullshit.

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18d

Selling Kangen machines is not affiliate marketing. Affiliate marketing does not require you to recruit people. What rank are you?

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18d

I haven’t recruited lol

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18d

You’re the one that keeps avoiding the questions. What rank are you and what hospitals use the K8 and that capacity?

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18d

I am a 5A. Easy to get there just takes about 2 years of hard honest work

18d

https://www.enagic.com/en/distributors-earnings-disclosure-statement according to the income disclosure statement put out by your company you make just over $2000 a year. That’s pathetic.

Continue thread...

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18d

Are you just a bad sales person I’m so confused?

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18d

WHAT PRODUCT OR BIZ CAN TOU START FOR FREE AND WHERE YOU DONT MAKE MORE KINEY AS YOU SELL MORE? I’m so upset for all yall

18d

Free?? You have to buy a $6000 machine.

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16d

You write it off….😭 these posts make me dumber by the day

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/s/68aqrdoeXd

16d

If you think writing something off is the same as getting something for free, you have no business sense whatsoever.

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CloudSimilar7357

18d

So you’re in the top 0.24% of Kangen distributors? I highly doubt that, I don’t think you’d be spending time fighting with people on reddit lmao. Post your return then, prove it.
Edit: and by return I mean your KANGEN statement (identifying info redacted), not what you filed with the IRS that shows all of your income including your side hustles.

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16d

I was actually in here for Turo and saw these lol