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I am leaving my Islamic country in the middle east and my muslim parents don't know
This. And don't loathe yourself. You deserve 💕
I definitely second all of this.
For untraceable communication, I recommend creating a burner email address that you will only use that once, and send an encrypted email from a library computer in a town far from where you live.
Perhaps more techy people can give better suggestions?
I recommend registered mail to parent's address. It's only way OP can be confident the note is read. Send from anywhere anytime.
Tbh, the way things are, the US may not be a safe place for long either.
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One of the college protesters, no doubt /s
Tf is a college protestor?
Are you for real? Unaware much?
Are you aware that there are 200 other countries apart from America? Are you aware that America's population is less than 5% of the population of the world? Are you aware that there are people out there who don't care much about America and don't follow? It's always weird when Americans act shocked that other people aren't that invested. It's the manifestation of a level of ignorance that's just sad.
Fascinating! What percentage of reddit is American, I wonder? Why not include that statistic?
Maybe you're unaware.
Anyway, what IS a college protestor?
Yep. These far lefties think if Trump is elected we instantly turn into nazi germany. It's pretty wild.
Yeah, it’s not instant. It took hours for Germany to turn into Nazi Germany after Hitler was elected.
America is way different than Nazi Germany, and people acting like we are getting close to it if Trump is reelected are ridiculous.
American has a diverse ethnic population. Where as Germany was 90% German. So seeking a pure race in America will never happen. American has the constitution and the 3 branches of government to check power. So no president will ever hold enough power to become a dictator.
There are programs that can help protect you where ever you end up. I know of one place called Rainbow Railroad
Best of luck in your new life!
The subreddit exmuslim might have resources as well
You could also try and claim asylum once you hit the US..
OP, good luck and be safe!
But wouldn't you need actual tangible proof of danger? Like a previous attempt on your life sorta?
Not sure but worth a shot.
Do not tell ANYONE your plans. Secure your important documents. Secure your money. Get your flight / visa any documentation ready. Ensure they don’t open your mail and see you’ve bought a ticket.
You have not wasted any years. You have been planning your escape and you have made the best decisions with the information and resources you have had available to you. I am very sorry for the persecution you have received at the hands of your family, religious love gets lost in controlling others, and it's nowhere near love.
We can't choose our family but we can choose our friends, lovers and life path.
I look forward to your next post where you are happy and thriving in your new homeland. Journeys start with a step and are personal to ourselves. Thank yourself for taking care of you.
Oooo don’t leave a note. You’re risking getting caught! Just send it to them once you land at the layover country so they can’t trace you to your new home country. Start all new social media. Tbh, the US has a large and vibrant Muslim community. If you’re going to a city, you may be easy to track down. Can you change your appearance in any way? Do you have any obvious birthmarks you can remove? Can you change your hair length? When you’re arriving declare you’re seeking asylum immediately and give the reason why. Say exactly what you told us
I bet that's going to be amazing to him to just openly admit that he's gay and people being totally cool with it. Like, first time ever with no shame, "I left because I'm gay and it's not safe for me." And getting sympathetic responses.
Right?! So cathartic to safely be oneself and make moves to find a community. A “found family” 🥲
Sounds like he is already a citizen. There is no need to seek asylum, but yes to the rest.
Ahhh missed that part
Be safe, be smart, and never let anyone make you feel unworthy of love. You're perfect as you are and I hope you have a safe journey. I'm sorry your parents are who they are, no child deserves that.
No note. Just leave and don't come back
Delete this, burn your note, and leave
When you do come over to the US and decide you're ready to start dating, please practice safe sex habits. There's an organization called the Trevor Project that has loads of resources for the LGBTQIA+ community. Due to the restrictive and abusive practices tactics your family employed, you'll likely feel the need to "go crazy" with all the freedom. Please, please, please be careful and make sure to take care of yourself emotionally and physically. Take care to check in with yourself and make sure that in 6 months time, you won't regret the choice you made today (when you get here, that is).
The Trevor Project: Resources for Sexual Health Support
Good luck, OP. I hope you find the peace, love, and freedom you're looking for in the US.
I begged my parents to let me attend uni there but they refused because they were afraid I would go feral have sex with women
The irony... 🤦♀️
Glad you got your escape figured out, OP. Congratulations!
I would not leave a physical note. The time between leaving it, and physically being gone from the country is too much of a risk, in my opinion.
Can you mail the note to your house, the day you leave?
Good luck to you!
Don’t leave a note. Send an email when you are safely out of the country.
You are precisely the kind of people we in the US need more of. I'm so glad you're coming here! I wish you the very best of good fortune. Sorry about your parents. You'll find a new family here.
And I agree, don't leave a note. You can mail it from the airport once you've arrived safely.
Disturbing how twisted religion and culture make it okay to literally TORTURE and kill your own children. OP, you didn't waste your life. You were surviving, good luck to you and welcome to USA. Even with all of its faults and political devisions, you have a better shot at freedom and happiness here.
you have a better shot at freedom and happiness here.
Unless Trump or any other Republican becomes the next president. In which case we'll have the Christianized version of Shariah Law right here in the land of the (supposedly) free and (supposedly) brave. LGBTs will be one of their main targets.
Religion doesn't. It's the illiterate people who say it's okay.
Religion doesn't tell parents to hit and torture their children to practice religion.
huh ?????
islam says in a hadith (authentic source of Islamic info)
"teach them at 6 (years old), and beat them at 10" (no lightly was added in im a native arabic speaker and im pretty sure i understand more than the "western" reverts who read the light translated quran anf hadiths)
and if you try to disprove the hadith (which is sahih), you'd basically be apostasizing and accused of blasphemy
There is a difference between a spank or slap to discipline and torturing for 3days by tying to bed.
I'm not disproving any hadith.
Even for Lut AS, he wasn't told to torture or 💀 his wife. He was commanded to just leave the city and Allah will punish them.
when it specifically says beat them without any restrains on how much they should actually beat them ("beat" in arabic could mean punch or hit or slap or basically any form of physical punching or harming, so parents can twist its meaning as they'd like to fit their likings).
i think allah would've known that parents would misinterpret it as beat the fucking living shit out of them for not praying and following the religon, and maybe allah could've worded it better yk as he's the "most merciful all knowing"
punishment for apostasy is death btw which im probably gonna recieve soon cus my cover is almost blown, so i really hope people discover the true nature of this religon and help expose its true nature yo the world, because we athiests can't do this anymore, its getting harder day by day, when your closest people to you are wishing death on you without knowing, when you cannot truly have freedom
i will not continue on this comment because im just crying right now, i just cant do this anymore, how the fuck are Americans trying to take away their democracy and freedom of speech (it may not be the best country with those, way better than other ones tho), and trying to incoporate islam's brutal teachings and orders!??
i do not hate muslims btw, infact 99% of the people in my life are Muslims and i adore them and they are good people with a good heart, but its crazy what an ideology can do to some of the most innocent and pure people, how can they be so delusional?
Someone hasn't read the Bible or the Qur'an (and isn't familiar with hadith).
As a fellow ex-muslim queer guy from homophobic shithole — I wish you best luck!
Good for you for getting out and away from your abusive, awful parents. Never look back!!
Are you at the airport now? Are you on a plane? Are you on US soil? Please tell us that you are already very far away from them.
Don’t leave a note. Don’t trust if they say they will improve or change. They won’t. Similar happened to me, I was locked in my room every night after I got back. They took all my money, threw away lots of things and I couldn’t go back to my university. Took me years of planning( more scheming actually) and “easing them” for me to be able to leave. But I am not from any country in the Middle East so at least me being killed wouldn’t happen
Brave ass post dude. Hope you find yourself in the States
Good luck! But DON'T leave a note, if something happens in-between them finding the note and you landing safe then they might kill you. Be careful and I wish you happiness 💕
Be safe in your journey. I hope you never have to feel this fear ever again. No human being ahould ever have to deal with situations such as this.
I’m rooting for you, OP. I’m a closest ex-Muslim with parents only half as abusive as yours. I’m so sorry you had to go through that abuse - especially as a kid. Your description of what you father did to you is disgusting and unforgivable. He will be the one burning in “hell”.
Please be safe and keep us updated. You got this, champ 💪🏼
I hope you are safe wherever you are right now
You have not wasted any time. You have carefully planned a safe escape. You bought your time and will be rewarded with your freedom.
Dont leave a note. Or if you really need the note send it to them once u r in America
oh my gosh. im so sorry. you did not deserve to grow up with people like that. i wish the best for you and that youll be able to escape and never have to go back.
Good luck
I wish you everything good! Enjoy your life over there
I am proud of you, be careful and good luck.
Please do everything you need to do to stay safe. You deserve the chance to live an authentic life and be happy. Best wishes to you.
Welcome to the lgbtqia community. We love you and we're happy you're on your way to safety.
Good luck
There's a lot of good advice here on how to keep yourself safe. I have none, but I want to say to you, good luck in your new life. I hope it's full of love and happiness.
Flush the note. Send an email when you are safely out of the country.
if you haven't deleted this post by the time you get there, please update to let us know you've safely arrived!
Please post an update when you’re in the US, so that we can know you you made it safely.
You deserve to be safe and happy. There is nothing wrong with you.
While I can’t relate to your situation I truly feel sorry for your situation. You have had a horrible upbringing, getting away from your family unfortunately is best for you. Best of luck in your travels and establishing a new life in the US. This is just the beginning of a new life for you!
Firstly, dude I’m so sorry, you’ve been through hell.
Secondly, keep your mouth shut and leave, no note, no nothing. Just disappear. Your priority should be leaving the country, then send an email or a text.
Thirdly, apply to change your name, makes it harder for anyone to find you. I wouldn’t trust any family or friends.
Finally, enjoy your freedom and your new life, you deserve it. We’re all rooting for you ❤️
I'm so sorry 😢 I'm the mother of a gay man and this breaks my heart and soul I'm so glad that you are escaping and as an American welcome!
I am so sorry about everything you have been through. I truly wish you happiness , congratulations!
I’m not religious, I think religion can be a good thing for some ppl as it gives them community. But, religion when taken to the extreme like MANY does as Muslims is downright horrifying. Like all religions have bloodshed, but it seems like for most religions it’s usually in the past or at least the worst of it is while with Islam it’s very much still part of the norm. Best of luck dude, stay safe and don’t trust any family members even when you in US, honor *** is sadly very much still a thing
Stay strong, brother. I hope you land in a place where people are more tolerant and loving
Somehow, i still find it funny that the pride people supports hamas.
You’re gonna make it
Best of luck and please let us know when you’ve reached your destination!
Best of luck. Wish you all the best! Hope someone can help you as well. Support system is really important when moving to another country. I left my country for similar reasons a year ago, although mine is not a Muslim country.
Good for you, all the best. Yet another proof that this religion is pure evil brain cancer. You are not alone with this view, my friend, not at all.
Your lucky, with that citizenship you can get entry most places without a visa just be allowed in as a tourist.
Be safe and find the love and acceptance you deserve. Be well!
I wish you the best. You are still very young and there's a long road ahead. Don't give up on hope and life.
Please don't hate yourself, and understand that there is nothing3wrong with being gay. You have experienced a lot of negative things in your 21 years and I pray you find peace in your new life. Good luck and please be careful.
I would love to hear an update when you get settled!
Hopefully, Trump (or any other Republican) won't be the next US president or you'll find yourself living in yet another country under Shariah law. That is, the Christian equivalent to it.
Thw rainbow railroad may be able to help you. This is the exact scenario they deal with every day. Additionally there are ex Muslim groups all over the US if you need some ppl who can relate to your traumas and culture. They keep a low profile though but theres an open national group. If you are coming to the region i live I can introduce you to some supportive queer people and groups, mayne help you find a roommate or anything else.
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Ohh man that sucks big time. Stay strong dude.
Side question, how are you a American citizen when you parents and you have lived and belong to the middle East? Were you born there?
I'm so sorry for your experience as a child. That's just awful.
Good luck to you!
As a queer person myself I am so glad you are getting out of that situation, and will be able to be yourself without fear. I hope you find a partner who loves you like you deserve to be loved.
I'm a lesbian and I went through the same thing with Christianity, being raised in a strict and religious household and having the fear of hell beat into me my entire childhood. None of it is your fault, don't waste any more time hating yourself because of what other people did.
Sending you love and safe travels! Onwards and upwards!
Why was this repeated?
Prolly copy and pasted twice
Saying prayers for your new life and your exit to safety.
I don’t think this person is particularly keen on prayers anymore.
LOL I get it. But I do want the best for him regardless. I'd hire a witch for him if it would help!
It’s early in the morning and I read a b while there actually is a w. Since we‘re on Reddit, I didn’t even flinch. But anyway, don’t mind me, your good intentions are all that matters
You will be ok my man. Please go easy on yourself and realize your parents are just as trapped as you were.
islam is not the source of any misery, your parents are. just don't blame the whole religion because your parents are just messed up (they seriously are that I can't really blame you for hating Islam along with them) I am just saying Islam has nothing to do with all the trauma you had to live through
This is both inaccurate & insensitive. Islam openly vilifies gay people, women & anyone who isn't Muslim.
You probably wouldn't be saying the same thing if the exact same story but they where Jehovah's witnesses
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Are you 100% sure your parent would always be supportive toward you?
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I suggest not leaving a note, that may be discovered before you’re safe. Also be careful with Reddit and any accounts. Plan your escape and once you’re safe in the United States you can send an untraceable communication. Make sure whatever you do doesn’t make it worse for your younger siblings who need to escape.
Never ever go back and don’t trust any family members in the USA either. Honor killings happen a lot when someone thinks they’re safe and then lets their guard down to go for a visit.