from other videos, it seems they do implant some kind of material
to those who don't know, pearls are formed from foreign materials (basically anything that shouldn't be in the oyster) which gets covered in layers and layers until a pearl is formed.
Also, the oyster doesn't have to be killed to get its pearls. They open it just a bit to extract the pearl inside then they place a new material again for the oyster to do its thing.
Yeah, it's too bad they've clearly killed the oyster here.
I’ll eat one for you
Too bad? Don't worry about a fucking oyster as long as we're killing billions of mammals lmao
Worse thing! Therefore, bad thing doesn’t matter!
Pretty much.. it's like a forester being worried about lawnmowing
Yeah. I've seen numerous vids where they just scoop the pearl out from under the meaty part that sort of looks like a tongue. I've never seen this method of popping them out like a pimple from under whatever that membrane is called.
Yeah these are cultured pearls
There’s far too many to be natural pearls.
If the oyster formed them, technically they are natural.
Depends on your definition.
I gave you the definition. The oyster formed it. Oysters form pearls. Therefore it is natural.
It would only be unnatural if the pearls are formed synthetically without the oyster.
I know you’re just being overly semantic, but most people don’t consider an implanted bead with a layer of pearl on the outside to be a natural pearl
All pearls have foreign material inside the pearl.
I'm curious, and know nothing on the topic but your all's chat here got me thinking....right here you say "implanted bead". Are there better grade/seen as more natural, if they use something smaller to start it? Is here some kind of standardized measurements for the whole deal? Thanks, and sorry for going on a little tangent, it just really got me wondering, lol.
Is like how people consider laboratory made diamonds as low quality even though though the method to identify them is that they're too perfect to be natural diamonds... as the composition is exactly the same, feels like all that is just some captalism propaganda to protect specfic companys
I don’t believe that’s 100% accurate.
If a farmer plants a seed and uses fertiliser. Is it harvested from nature?
Yes???? Like there's definitely a manual element to it but the crop is still the result of a natural process
If we're doing these pointed little questions, then would you consider a child conceived through IVF to be artificial?
I could’ve made a better metaphor. Just Couldn’t think of one.
She got you with the IVF one
I would say IVF is not natural. - not bad. But not natural.
"Natural" is one of the most ill defined concepts out there. We need to agree on a definition before using it, but I don't think we can.
For lots of things, human suffering seems to be the point (diamonds, pearls). Or animal suffering (never use antibiotics for the cows). For others, it is about the origin of the molecules (fertilizer - as if the plant gives a fuck about where the nitrogen comes from?). We also have the notion that only natural things are safe (snake venom?).
It just doesn't make much sense.
This
Oyster tonsil stones
Meanwhile the gallstones that I produced look like the beryllium spheres from Galaxy Quest.
Galaxy Quest! That's a deep cut!
This is NOT how you sustainably harvest pearls 😡
That was my first thought.
Well that answered my question on whether or not it hurt the animal in the process…. Ugh. No animal should die for bling.
If an animal or brown child doesn’t suffer, how will others recognize my value and superiority?
This but unironically
Is it any better than killing one for a sandwich?
Folks really out there eating oyster sandwiches?
Go to NOLA, go to Domilese’s, get a fried oyster poboy and then come ask if people eat oyster sandwiches.
Thanks for the knowledge my G. I’m a pass on all that but ay, the more you know.
Fried with a nice garlic aloli fuck yeah.
One is for survival and the other is for entertainment. I would say it's different.
Guess all the people that don’t eat meat are dead then. There are very few people on earth that eat meat for survival. I eat meat, but let’s not pretend that we do it for any other reason than we like the taste or it’s convenient. I’d argue killing an oyster for a permanent fashion adornment is more ethical than raising an animal in prison then murdering it for a roast dinner.
Vegan here. Can confirm I’m not dead.
However I think there are three tiers of ethicality being discussed here.
- Genuine survival meat eating
- Commercial farming for food
- Farming not for food
1 is the most ethical. In a life or death situation, eating meat when no other option exists makes sense.
2 is problematic in my eyes and is in the spirit of your sandwich point. It can be seen as slavery and murder of a sentient species, which is unethical. However the end goal does have a survival purpose, albeit one that humans should be able to do without. This is definitely less ethical than 1.
However 3 is the most unethical in my eyes. It serves no survival purpose and is the torture or murder of an animal for no purpose beyond “oh look shiny”. There’s no redeeming factor to the cruelty here.
I am expecting down votes here for outing myself as a vegan and using strong words like murder etc., but thought I’d throw my 2 cents into this ethical discussion.
The logic isn’t hard. I just made a vegan chilli. It was just as easy as making one with meat and cost the same because I used a meat substitute. Would have been even cheaper if I just used vegetables. I get why people don’t do it but it sucks that it’s even an argument over whether it’s more ethical. Obviously the option that is just as easy, provides the same benefits, is better for the environment and doesn’t involve taking the life of a creature that doesn’t want to die. Is the more ethical. Don’t have to be vegan to see that.
You’ve gone from saying both result in death of the animal to now only saying the meat eating option results in death.
If the animal isn’t killed then yes it’s probably more ethical, although it depends on how torturous the process is that doesn’t result in death.
Regardless, that wasn’t your point before and was not what we were discussing.
Yes, sorry. I thought this stream of argument had progressed away from the oyster. Ok, back to oysters. Yes, I think killing an oyster is more ok than killing a mammal. Probably because I’d rate mammals as more intelligent, or at least capable of emotion. For disclosure I haven’t looked into oyster stats. So yeah I give team pearls 1 point for being more ethical. Next factor would be what produces the better product. Farm gives you tasty food. Oyster gives you pearls. People will argue that food is a necessity, when it’s not and I can’t be bothered to argue that point because it should be obvious with the millions of people who choose not to eat meat(1.5billion including people who want to eat meat but can’t). The pearl is definitely not a necessity. They both produce items for pleasure and enjoyment. So it’s kinda personal preference. But I think lots of people would say a pearl is more valuable than a roast chicken. But not waygu steak. So maybe a draw on that one. So yes the pearl harvesting is more ethical in my opinion. If you disagree, ask yourself which animal you’d find easier to kill. Personally I think I would take the pearl from an oyster before killing a manmal for its food when I could have some chips. Though that’s partly because of the effort.
Ethicality doesn’t take into account the economic value or ease of the act. It only considers the overall morals, I.e. whether something is right or wrong.
Murder is almost always wrong. The only exception is for self preservation.
Someone attacks you? You can defend yourself. If that justifiably results in the death of the attacker (I.e. you are not using excessive force in the situation) then that is okay.
The same stands for survivability. If the only way you can survive is by murdering and eating an animal then again, that can be justified.
I largely side with you on the point that most humans don’t need to eat meat. Some do though, for example because of allergies to the viable meat alternates and it becomes the only way they can hit their macros. This falls back into the justifiable for survival, but this is a niche scenario and the vast majority of people meat os not necessary.
However, there is no justifiable reason to harvest pearls. There is no survivability aspect to be gained at all here.
So speaking purely ethically, I stand by my order. In an ideal world though no animals would be tortured and/or murdered first either purpose.
let’s not pretend that we do it for any other reason than we like the taste or it’s convenient.
Well, there is the fact that it's been a part of our natural diet since forever. We did hunting/gathering before we learned agriculture.
We're omnivores, like bears. They eat berries and fruit, but they also catch salmon. I haven't asked it what it thinks about the taste, but it stays full and get more energy from a salmon than from a whole day of eating berries.
You probably notice how herbivores eat almost constantly since the food they eat have so little energy. Sheep, cows, elephants..
I'm all for ethical farming and livestock keeping though.
But i also like the taste.
Ok, the “that’s what we’ve always done” argument is not a logical point, we’ve done loads of stuff for a long time that we’ve decided is unethical because we’ve evolved as a species and society. E.g saying that Childs marriage or banging your cousin is ok, because humans have done it for a long time. Second point, comparing us to animals is stupid, animals lack our intelligence and agriculture, you could argue that it’s ok to do anything that bears do. With regard to the constant eating. Yeah maybe if you just ate grass like the animals you picked do. Do you see vegetarians or vegans constantly grazing all day? No, obviously not they eat like everyone else because humans have easy access to fruits, nuts, vegetables and other things that are high in nutrients. I eat meat, but I also respect vegans and hearing all these logical fallacies must be exhausting for them. Eating a meal that’s just as healthy but doesn’t kill anything is obviously a more ethical choice. If you choose to eat meat you are doing it because you like the taste and that’s cool but at Lear try and think about the actual ethics instead of the literal propoganda we’re fed as children and adults. Watch something like dominion to at least look at the other side.
Splendid rethorics and argue teqhniue.
Why do you assume i haven't thought about the ethics? (I made no assumptions about you and commented strictly on what you said). Samsara aired decades ago. And why do you assume i haven't looked at the other side? You avoided my reply to your quote and treated it as my main point and went straight to try to counter it with child marriage and incest.
I eat a balanced diet, with meat and greens. I don't want to have to be concerned about getting the nutritions i need.
To each their own. You do you, i do me.
I don’t think I ignored any of your points. But yes, sorry for assuming you hadn’t looked at the other side. It’s just hard to believe that someone could watch dominion and say meat is still ethical. It’s very easy to have a balanced diet without meat. In fact when I worked in prison, lots of prisoners who cared about their health went vegan as the food was more nutritious( not a fair comparison to real life, but it proves you can do it on a budget.). Yes, each to their own, I wouldn’t care if you ate cats and dogs. Just don’t tell me that it’s in anyway ethical to torture and kill animals when there’s a cheap easy alternative. Just to clarify, I do eat meat, but will avoid it if it’s easy e.g I like vegan chocolate milk so I buy that instead of cow milk.
It never were is or will be ethical to torture animals nor wil i tell you it is.
What is torture? Wiki says.. (Torture is the deliberate infliction of severe pain or suffering).
I'm having a steak sandwich tonight just for reading this comment. Thank you for the suggestion!
Enjoy man. I just destroyed the meat selection at an all you can eat grill. Steak is my favourite food, I’ll judge you for anything over medium.
I'll be honest I read that as no animal should die for food or something. It's really hot today
It’s cool. I’m kinda just being an argumentative asshole on Reddit. Playing both sides so you never come out on top
It’s significantly worse. One is for my sustenance, the other for my luxury. If you can’t differentiate between the two and why some people are okay with one while not okay with the other then that’s your problem.
You could say the pearls are for enticing a mate. Therefore necessary for reproduction and continuing our species. Obviously that’s not necessary, just like eating meat. You could eat meat or you could eat anything else. I’m assuming you don’t live in the arctic and have access to a shop that sells food that isn’t meat. You eat meat because you like the taste. How is meat necessary to your sustenance? Or is it just like pearls: a luxury that you enjoy?
“How is meat necessary for your sustenance?”
Because I need an efficient protein source that doesn’t require me to eat 3000 calories to get 20g of protein like vegan alternatives? Because I like to cut down on sugar and carbs and focus entirely on keto? Because I want to live a healthier life?
You act as if not eating meat is some moral high ground, as if the natural order of things that this planet has survived on for millennia is somehow too “backwards” for us humans. Stop being an asshat, let people eat what they want.
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, half a cup of firm tofu offers 21.8 grams of protein with 181 calories. A vegan diet is almost definitely more healthy. “It’s the way we’ve always done it, it’s natural” it’s not though. Humans have nerved consumed of farmed meat on such a massive industrial scale until recently. If you want to live how humans have for a millennia, go live in the woods and hunt with a spear. Humans have done loads of stuff for a millennia that we’ve realised is bad. I’m sure slave owners used the same arguments when trying to keep their slaves. Also I couldn’t care if you ate dog, just stop making shit arguments to justify it. Yes I do think vegans are more ethical than me. Sorry if admitting that makes me an asshat
I don’t care what you “think” is morally correct. Shoving that belief down other’s throats will always make you the lesser person. I’m not trying to justify anything because simply put I don’t have to. I was just trying to make you realise how idiotic your argument sounds.
Ok. Well thanks for participating. you don’t have to justify anything but next time you try to, I’d suggest doing some research before pulling facts like “vegans need to eat 3000 calories to get 20g of protein” out of thin air.
There was literally no shoving of beliefs here. You engaged first, and then got mad when the poster made some rationale and well constructed points against what you said.
You can eat whatever you want, just try and educate yourself better on the choices out there and the ethics behind the choices you make.
“Well constructed points” - you mean the constant comparison between food and amenities? How is it so impossibly hard for people to grasp that eating something for food and exploiting something for meaningless shiny’s is not even remotely comparable?
That single comparison and the fact that it’s even being brought up is downright stupid. And now of course someone has to come dickride an awfully constructed argument in the first place.
Hopefully the oysters were also eaten after this
Doubtful. Oysters start growing bacteria when they're out of the water and open. These wouldn't be safe to eat
Thats what i thought... arent they not opened all the way like that and carefully taken out nowadays?
What is there to sustain? Genuinely curios. Do the oysters not reproduce well?
I hope no one ever finds out they can harvest some resource that your body produces and kills you so they can harvest it. It’s ok, you can reproduce right?
You're confused about what sustainability means. Oysters can be farmed like many other animals. If you just don't like the concept of farming oysters because of other biases against animal farming that's another subject entirely.
That's not what sustainable means though...
Sustainable just means it won't run out, not that it's cruelty free.
Though it is... oysters have no central nervous system. It's like a plant.
They don't have a brain, so "supposedly" (= we can't really know) aren't "conscious", at least not in the way humans are.
But they have a nervous system. They feel, they react.
It's hard to know how what they feel would translate in human terms.
But it's not possible to say with such certainty as you did, that they don't feel anything.
Btw, there are researches about how plants feel too, and even communicate with each other about predators and other dangers.
I'm so tired of people using human pain as justification for causing suffering to other creatures
"They don't experience pain like we do, so it's fine!!"
100 years down the road I guarantee we'll be disgusted by the actions we've committed
Most probably we would be disgusted by lot of things that we regularly do, even between humans, if we could experience them from the perspective of the receiver.
Clams have feelings too
No chowder for you
They have no face, no place for ears, there’s no clam eyes to cry clam tears.
Actually, they don’t have central nervousness
It's not the clams!!!
Plants can make noise and have other defense mechanisms in response to being eaten. Just because something doesn’t have a central nervous system doesn’t mean they don’t mind being eaten/hurt.
"Mind being eaten"
Consider that phrase, mind is something they don't possess. A sense of self does not exist.
Reaction to stimuli is a chemical reaction, plants and oysters are no more "aware" than a iPhone
If your criteria for something not being “aware” is that the reaction to stimuli is a chemical reaction, then you’re not aware either. All the pain you feel is a chemical reaction too.
But we have brains which have logic gates.
Oysters have no brain.
Computer systems do have logic gates and sensors to detect things that could damage them, so by your logic, they do have a sense of self and are aware.
You can pour salt on a dead chopped off octopus leg and it will wriggle around. It has no brain. It has no sense of pain. What do you say now?
aaacxshualllyy 🤓 they most certainly do have brains in their legs .. though, without further research, I'm not yet entirely certain to what extent these brains control or sense anything --- just had to nerdily point this out 😬
They most definitely possess a mind; just not in the traditional sense. They have the ability to react to changes in their environment. They reproduce. They breathe, and use water to survive.
Just because your little brain can't fathom how they think, doesn't mean they don't.
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I don’t think they feel pain or have emotions
Go and stop them write a letter to them and tell them to stop. This is Reddit no one cares.
I prefer the method that doesn’t kill the clam.
If it helps, this actually didn’t kill a clam at all!
Haha, technically true. Mf was already dead. It's still kind of misinformation, though.
Nah, I mean that’s not a clam.
Ah, right. Theres layers to this one! I forgot clams don't produce as many pearls.
Edit: also they're CLAM shaped lmao
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Is there one?
I was wondering about this.
It will always eventually kill the clam, the other way it just takes multiple harvests to do it.
is that something you know or something you guess?
I mean, do you have concrete info about it?
I'm curious after this video, how sustainable and fair this process can be in long term.
This doesn't look... ethical?
it's not. Oysters are killed to harvest the pearls.
Nothing related to using animals for food or materials or labor is ethical.
Mass production of meat, eggs and cheese, is highly unethical.
Pharmaceutical experiments are extremely unethical.
Production of fur (and in some cases also leather) is sadistic to inhuman levels.
Zoos and circuses which use animals are very questionable.
Cruelty everywhere
Everything you mentioned can be done ethically. You’re putting a blanket on all production which isn’t the case.
That’s the same as saying “all vegans are…”
Watch Earthlings.
And try to put more effort in having common sense and being honestly realistic, than in writing something cool.
There is no way to MASS produce meat in the currently consumed amount in an ethical way.
If there is, nobody uses it but small producers (and I am talking of MASS production).
I'd also be very curious as to what kind of "ethical" experiments can a cosmetic or pharmaceutical company make on sentient animals.
Circuses and zoos aren't places where a wild animal would ever choose to live.
And I still can't delete from my mind the scene in Earthlings about anal electrocution to avoid damaging the fur. No idea why they can't just kill them painlessly with gas or something.
Among all what I named, maybe some zoos, and very occasionally circuses, have some decency and in some cases can serve as a comfortable way to delude ourselves that we're saving endangered species (which are endangered by us in the first place).
Are there exceptions?
There are exceptions to everything.
They are said to be what makes the rule.
I didn’t realize until today, pearls are like really valuable tonsil stones.
More like kidney stones really
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It’s like a Money Pimple
Everything reminds me of her...
You fuck women with pearls in their pussy? Orrr do you pop pussy pimples?
It must be a fancy night I will tell you that
🤣😂
Have you never given a woman a pearl necklace?
I sir, have a vagina. So no
Its 2024, idk the rules anymore
Fair enough!
Orrr do you pop pussy pimples?
With my teeth
SIR PLEASE, IM WHEEZING AND GROSSED OUT. 😂😭🤢
I squeeze nipples like pimples to get the pus, get it ?
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Is this how it's always done?
I mean, is "pearl harvesting" supposed to be a destructive process where the oyster dies and that's it?
Or are there people implementing peal-harvesting methods where afterwards the oyster can keep doing what oysters do?
I've seen videos on YouTube where they use some kind of pliers that only open them a little bit and go in with tools to safely remove the pearls :) I hope they're at least eating the ones they kill
Well I don't think that a vegan or vegetarian would do this job, so probably they eat them.
It might become less exciting at some point :)
I would rather they eat them than just discarding them afterwards :c
Just shut up lol
My comment, my rules. Feel free to leave if you (= because you) have nothing to contribute.
This is like ripping open a person's head to get their wisdom teeth out.
Unnecessary and unsustainable. Just open it a bit and you'll get infinite pearls and keep the oyster alive
I like it better when they don't kill the clams for the dirt in their mouth.
Not satisfying at all actually.
Ew
It's so weird to me that humans found out they could do this & then proceeded to do it.
Yeah, let’s kill the creatures that clean the ocean to create wearables we don’t need.
Oh, go on then
How much is a pearl worth?
Does not look animal friendly.
That oyster had like 30 vaginas
This channel on YouTube is way more realistic and humane about pearl harvesting https://youtube.com/shorts/Dr_sks5p3eY?si=osgQXFhp1Ls834GG
So pearls are clam zits?
That’s an oyster
Poor oyster.
More than sarisfying it looks horrifying😠
What is satisfying about this? Stupid post
Are these pearls actually worth anything?
I’m too poor for those but it is interesting - some giant comes down and puts stuff inside your body so you can make stuff for them. It has to be irritating
It's like popping a 'pearl pimple' I wouldn't mind getting paid to do this
That’s a miso soup spoon
Lmao. No value
Like popping very fancy zits
arent pearls just their tonsil stones?
Looks like my tonsils
Actual pearls are kind of craggy and rock-like so take that with a grain of salt if you will for authenticity
How hemorrhoids are harvested.
Wow, just like tonsil stones!
Hmmm. Gross
Ewww you’re touching them!
Poor clam :(
Huh. I was led to believe that finding a pearl in an oyster was rare?
am kinda itchy after watching this
Oyster in ded
Tonsil stones.
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Should crosspost to /popping
This is horrific
I'm confused, is this real?
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Sweet mother of pearls
MMM caviar :3
And here I was, thinking you get a single one in the middle of a big cartoon clam.
Gotta swim in and grab it before the clam shuts (I don't even remember what game I'm thinking of now)
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I think we found the 6 Chinese peeps. 😂 Anyone reading this that doesn’t recognize the cruelty can, literally, get fucked.
Would the Pearls grow into Oysters if we left them alone?
Thats non-consensual.
Rape
Fake? Looks fake
It's real
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These look too perfect to be fully natural pearls. Likely previously implanted plastic beads that get covered in the perl material by the oyster.