Was the trade possible with a dair on the first firefox? Or later?
I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you talking about a dair trading with firefox to actually recover afterwards, the way Zain practices?
The first firefox, which didn't go anywhere... dair wouldn't have gotten the trade for a recovery because marth was too far to the right, his only chance to recover was going straight into up+b but the spacing on that is pretty unclear, he probably wouldn't have grabbed ledge and then that would've just been an even easier recovery for Fox so I think he handled it right (side b+up b to guarantee Fox dies). He maybe could've gotten a spike with the side hitbox of dair but it seemed a lot more dangerous to even try.
The second firefox he couldn't attack at first because his first up b missed ledge. He should've just ignored this one because it was too low for either him or the Fox to recover from. He couldn't dair the ending of it either because he was too low.
The third firefox I think also was too low for Fox to recover (it was closer but I don't think it gets a reverse grab from that far away), and once again by the time he could attack (which is only after being hit out of his up+b fall) he was too low to dair.
So I don't think there was ever an opportunity to dair trade and survive. He really should've just taken the kill from the initial side-b+up-b
You mentioned murder suicide so I was asking about a trade in terms of trading stocks. So dair to suicide kill. I think surviving while killing off that would be difficult given the distance.
You can usually repeatedly side b 1 the fox as you both go down into the blast zone here. Looks like there might have been just enough room to dair instead of the first side b too. But when op says multiple interactions ago they mean that at any point, marth can just choose to not up b and fox looks a bit too far away
Ah thats true lol 🤦
Yes, this is exactly what I meant. Guess I went into an arbitrary rant from misunderstanding their question hahah.
The proof that snap was too far away during the previous interactions is that he clearly sweetspotted it from much, much closer on the last firefox (like it was a direct & immediate firefox out of desperation, but it ended up being literally pro-level spacing for the final ledge grab, by coincidence)
Really the first uair would've been the easiest murder suicide scenario. Fox was definately dead after that.
you don't need to dair to suicide trade
Exactly this, it was already a trade after the first side-b+up-b, Fox was too far away to recover, all Marth has to do after that is absolutely nothing.
Any mid level marth would take the trade lol
I would take the trade, am low level marth :)
If it were unranked, and I'm the Marth, I would totally do this for shits and giggles.
And then he held ledge after the saves smh
marths and using their jump too early, name a better combo
I havent played slippin in minute, when did hd textures get implemented?
This is a retexture mod called Animelee
hmmm I'll have to look into it, been thinkin anout hoppin back in for little bit
With animelee it feels refreshing
Snap ur the goat
Try shine bair next time
Clean play. How did u get HD melee?
Look up animelee.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I've been looking for this for a while now, you're amazing.
You can also combine it with david s kimballs melee hd texture pack for hd menus and other things.
Ssbmtextures is a website with other sick skins
A second shine instead of the bair would have worked better for you.
Yo teams?
Yeah fox marth is 60 40. Fox favoured. Im kind of an expert.
Honestly from the title I assumed this was a joke post and you were the marth, before I saw the ending and looked at the tags
This dude just got WAY too greedy, any top marth would've taken the murder-suicide several interactions earlier. You overextended first and he saved you lol