MUI Goku (Manga)
So6P Naruto
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MUI Goku (Manga)
So6P Naruto
Can Naurot even sense goku? He doesn't have god ki, and characters with gods ki aren't able to be sensed by those who has it, and goku could just use a kiai to clear out shadow clones if he can't sense naruto
Six paths chakra can sense limbo clones which is a higher tier of hax in terms of undetectability so I doubt Naruto would struggle.
And equal stats my guy, they will see it coming. And the worse part is that the chakra will come back to Naruto after Goku is successful at wasting his ki. Yes Naruto doesn’t get all of it back but Goku will lose all of his regardless.
Oh yeh ig naruto could sense, but I disagree with the notion of goku just wasting his ki as the only times where he does lose ki or is low on it is when fighting against opponents who are way stronger than them, or his ki is being sapped away, also ki regenerate over time. Imo a wincon for goku is instant trans and hakai or just a Kamehameha like he did against cell, as it hit cell even though he should outscale goku in speed. I'm undoubtedly less knowledgeable about naruto so what are some possible wincons for naruto?
Just read the above but I’ll keep it short. Clones so Goku won’t be able to tell the difference. Naruto’s recovery rate is just higher in every sense. Naruto can also do long range clones but the ability always conveniently pops up instead him fully utilising it but he can do it. Naruto can cut him up at short range. Goku also needs to concentrate for that move so they both have something up their sleeves. Naruto only somas clones and canonically rarely misses his rasengans.
To deal with clones goku could just use an eye kiai, or a push kiai, or a shout kiai to dispel them and it uses like 0 zero ki, I will say naruto has higher energy recovery as he quite literally has kurama inside him. And short range goku beats I'm terms of martial arts, and if we allow tools like kunai it's only fair we allow something like the pole, or ki blades. Also goku can use telekinesis to pull naruto like the universal pull to hakai him as it's not like hakai is charged like a kame ha me, as it worked on fused zamasu who should be faster. And removing movies pretty sure goku has never missed his target using a Kamehameha only deflected countered back, and in an equal stats scenario considering the beam would be much stronger than the punches it would deal hella amounts of dmg
You are jumping the gun. You can’t tell how much ki it uses and base Naruto’s clones could take hits from Sasuke in normal taijutsu exchanges in VOTE2. They don’t dispel so easy in that fight.
And to make sure they are extra durable they each have a chakra cloaks. Naruto’s durability is insane, it’s not going to be convenient. And he could tank and react to Amaterasu, in base.
And Naruto has a chakra avatar and make TSO move with his mind and has have chakra arms that are moved with his mind as well.
And I would like the context of this situation where Goku uses telekinesis. How strong was the opponent? To be exact was he stronger or weaker than Goku.
Naruto will slice that pole up unfornately but naturally he would reserve that move in his back pocket like everybody does. And Naruto has dura neg
While we don't know how much ki a kiai takes its shown to be a technique used to dispel or counter technique or to briefly stun an enemy or push one away. Unless you meant narutos endurance wouldn't the durability of the clones stay the same in an equal stats match? Goku also has a ki avatar like when he uses mui against moro. When he used telekinesis it was against Granolah who is atleast physically stronger than goku as he stopped his attack and then managed to use his telekinesis to lift Granolah who couldn't resist it even while being stronger. Also, the pole would not be cut up as goku is obviously going to amplify it with his ki. Goku has hakai which is dura negative and existence erasure on a much higher calibre
Yeah considering those were base Naruto clones tanking hits from Sasuke who’s relative to Naruto in base in terms of physicality. Like I said they cloaks to increase durability, and version one cloaks has some good durabilty feats so no Goku ain’t easily dispelling this technique without sacrificing some power and Naruto would get more chakra back than Goku can get ki which is zero.
And I don’t know man, this Goku stopped fighting with it a while ago and TSO can cut that up pretty easily if he shapes like a blade, nullifying the ki but he would use defensively it until he needs it to break it
And that Goku don’t have a scar so he hasn’t unlocked the avatar yet.
It's equal stats so the cloaks wouldn't be allowed to add defense or you can say that goku can have zenkais throughout the fight, and what would you say is a force needed to dispel a clone? Also ki regenerate over time while it's not as fast as naruto, and sayians grow stronger during battle like goku post omen 1 doing better than before against jiren. Also it's not like the TSO is unbreakable or able to defend against anything, and once lost I'm pretty sure it doesn't regen, also him not having mui avatar doesn't really nerf him much.
What are you talking about zenkai’s for? I argued with some other guy and he said Goku would just boost his durabilty with ki aura, Naruto can do the same by using the transformations because he always had the same amount of chakra (only adding with sage mode) so he is just uses more chakra and they are different energies and chakras so they have different benefits. He just won’t get more chakra or stat boosts in his speed or strength.
TSO is the hardest material (in Naruto) outside it’s nullification abilities, you need to overpower it quite handedly or take advantage of its weaknesses which is senjutsu, six paths power or Kamui. The pole is breaking.
But yeah the cloak is just a jutsu of drawing out more chakra and think of it as Naruto and Kurama chilling in one body managing to match Goku’s power. He gets the benefits of transformations without getting stronger, faster or more chakra.
Ok so in this hypothetical battle will we start out at equal stats or are they hardlocked into that? Also are we doing verse equalization so ki=Chakra (except for special properties like God ki, magic, sage chakra etc)? And on the last part could you rephrase? Are you saying it allows him to have the benefits(size?) Without increase in stats because if so that's just a bigger target is it not?
I didn’t mind equal base stats but apparently there’s no buffing of stats with transformations, you just have benefits of the additional abilities.
Now do we have abilities stat boost? I don’t doubt that Goku would have easily won if skill in controlling your energy source was scaled according but equal stats make sure you can’t change it. Look I don’t mind Goku winning in a normal equal stats situation but now we are aiming for skill and hax scaling so I’m entertaining it to the fullest extent.
So I don’t mind Kaioken being allowed if Naruto is allowed boil release and shunshin.
And I only used transformations for durability increases for arguments sake.
And in this case Ki doesn’t have to equal chakra because there’s a lot of possibilities of awakenings and blurring of lines. We can so I will that choice in your hands.
I mean power system equalisation doesn’t matter unless you need to fight in a certain location so I’m more inclined to assume they are fighting in the best conditions and a wide open area.
This style of equal stats made me realise we are making their base as strong as their pinnacle (at that stage of their story).
The chakra avatar is using more chakra so the jutsu wouldn’t nerfed by equal stats or else there’s no point in big moves anymore.
We can discuss the normal equal stats situation, have two scenarios where Goku is Naruto level and where Naruto is Goku level. We can end it like that if you want? I know Goku wins, still wanna do proper powerscaling rather than hax and skill scaling.